691dbc No.8790
New Tesla Model S revealed.
And fuck, it's worse than the original, and the original has some seriously ugly design points.
It's the car of the future, so why does it look so ugly. Literally, Elon Musk is framing the look of the future, and instead chose to make it a horrible pastiche of a new Aston, Mustang and a hatchback with autism. It's just profound how ugly this car has become.
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691dbc No.8801
I predict all that bodywork up front will get fucked up quick
Would never own one if I lived anywhere near a place with a winter season
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691dbc No.8802
Agreed OP even the interior is baffling. What I hate is the "de-tuned" design companies give to entry level cars so they don't outshine the flagship models.
>>8801
That's not really a problem but i don't really get your concern. live in canada we get tons of snow and shitboxes with low to the ground front ends do fine.
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691dbc No.8806
It looks like a someone took 2 seconds in photoshop to close up the mouth.
But besides that why does it just look like a regular (if expensive) car? Shouldn't they try something crazy with the design?
I mean ignoring all style has been sacrificed at the alter for power hungry politicians trying to justify their six figure pay with draconian laws.
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691dbc No.8810
>>8806
>Shouldn't they try something crazy with the design?
This is what I don't get. They had a perfectly good opportunity to design a great looking car with the lack of design restrictions and all. I personally would have gone with a G-nose and conical headlamps for that timeless sexy look. Would have won over all the petrol heads.
A lack of engine noise could be solved by implementing a motor-powered noise generator like cards on pushbike spokes.
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691dbc No.8824
Did they ever fix the shitty drivetrain that blows itself up after 60k miles, or are they still putting everything into making the stupid things drive themselves. For 60,000 miles.
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691dbc No.8829
>>8790
What do you think the car of the future should look like then fag?
A "pastiche" (kill yourself) of a Aston, Mustang and a hatchback honestly doesn't sound that bad. Personally, I'll never buy one of their cars, but I will admit that the people who created the new Model S are extremely intelligent and made this design to appeal to a large target demographic.
Considering that they have sold so many of these, I don't think a lot of people think it's so profoundly ugly. If you dislike the design, you're probably not part of the car's target audience.
Remember, the design in Musk's eyes is a way to increase sales. They put a lot of thought in designing the most desirable looking car. The only real objective factor here is how many they sell, not your pointless opinion.
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691dbc No.8838
>>8829
I'm surprised having a motor that can't outlast a 90s Chevy doesn't discourage more buyers.
SpaceX is going to strand a lot of people in space.
Too bad the factors for mass appeal are so incredibly stupid. They could very likely paint a much more reassuring picture of electric motors if they scaled back the HP just very slightly.
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691dbc No.8839
>>8810
Honestly, the only thing I can think of is that they're banking on this to be a slightly upmarket grocery getter in the future, but I'm still perplexed as to why you'd do it this way.
That said, Larte Design made a kit for it that looks a bit better, though.
>>8824
It's not clear. I know they're still catching fire periodically.
>>8838
>Too bad the factors for mass appeal are so incredibly stupid
Pretty much.
No-one talks about how these cars would struggle to ever offset their initial environmental cost to produce, how keeping an old car running is better for the environment then buying a new one for many decades, how batteries don't last forever, how personal savings on fuel efficiency are largely minuscule unless you go from a mexitruck to a smart car, etc, etc, and that's only touching on the eco-nonsense.
>>8829
>big words are bad
Well good for you.
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691dbc No.8840
>>8839
Honestly, this is how they should be building them out the factory. Or at least as a (further) upmarket performance model.
Its current looks really do not fit the performance of the car. The Model S in particular appears to be the result of Maserati attempting to make their version of an economy car, and not truly understanding the definition of "economy". You wouldn't think it outpaces nearly every stock machine that has 4 wheels on the dragstrip at all.
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691dbc No.8841
>>8840
And to clarify what I meant, sort of how the Fisker looked like the direction that BMW might have taken with their peformance cars had they not put Hooeydonk and Bangle on the job and fucked everything that they had been working towards since the 60s starting from the 1999 Z9 Concept, which previewed the upcoming M6.
Can't put my hand on the exact model of Maserati the Model S looks like, but its quite the resemblance.
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691dbc No.8842
>>8840
I think they're trying to make something that challenges the V6 Mustang and Mazda 6; cars that look sleek or powerful but are mundane and pedestrian internally and in usage.
They get to keep the self-deluding beta male market too; people who'll cite its eco-credentials and performance as to why they buy this crap, which is convenient.
I wonder why they didn't spin off a separate marque to target Arab oil princes who want to own a car that'll beat the pants off their neighbor's Ferrari/Lamborghini though. I think as you say, the Model S is just too boring to appeal to that market.
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691dbc No.8843
>>8841
The side and rear remind me of the Panemera too.
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691dbc No.8848
what if i dont want an Ipad or flatscreen TV in my car? actually on second thought i think i do. i dont know.
Do you have to do oil changes in teslas?
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691dbc No.8850
>>8842
I imagine it'll look better with euro plates on but there's just something terribly bland about the new tesla.
Like the other anon above said it just looks like a second rate panamera (a car that's been ridiculed for its styling since it arrived).
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691dbc No.8931
>>8848
>do you have to do oil changes in teslas?
From what I've heard, you do at shorter intervals than a gas car.
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c3e0c8 No.13853
>>8810
Thing is, that piece of shit in your picture looks hideous and only the autistics will like it. Said autistics hate electric cars anyways so why would Tesla mar their design to cater to a crowd that would never buy an EV to begin with and doesn't have the money to afford a Tesla in the first place?
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242640 No.14336
>>8806
I like the idea of an electric car. 1 moving part. No engine. very low center of gravity due to batteries stored along the length of the car, giving you better traction. They are very heavy. But that means huge crumple zone in the front end.
If you've ever been in a wreck, you know that with any significant force the engine is thrust through the firewall and into your fucking lap in a regular car. Much safer (potentially) in all electric. Sure you could argue it might not make much sense to keep the traditional shape of a car to-the-tee since you don't have an engine, but people want familiar.
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e5ffff No.14337
>>14336
>concerns about safety
>not having you driver ego through the roof all the way to Jesus
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1f54c3 No.14339
>>14336
Honestly, I like the idea of having an electric car too but I'd prefer doing a conversion on a lightweight Japanese 80's shitbox for maximum fun and efficiency. Either that, or put a big industrial electric fan motor in a big ol' American land yacht for super quiet comfy factor.
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e5ffff No.14345
>>14339
THIS.
Someone has to make electric kits that let us replace drivetrains from engine to electric. Think of the potential.
Of course, it would be quite complicated, and it must leave the regular engine as generator while forgetting the gearbox completely (electric engines+gearboxes will not happen on road cars, maybe only specialised towing vehicles).
No, it has to replace the gearbox (direct acces to engine power for max generation), and handle the power to wheels the same way gearbox did (axles)
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94da02 No.14346
>>14345
>electric engines+gearboxes will not happen on road cars
>What is the original Honda Insight
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f468d3 No.14347
>>14346
didn't it have a combustion engine working with the electric one?
Also what's the point of a gearbox with an electric car?
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e5ffff No.14349
>>14346
what >>14347 said
Honda Insight had gearbox for cases when the regular engine powers the wheels.
Electric car could need a gearbox (and even than a simple one) for making less resistance, thus reducing overheat and increasing the lifespan. For instance, if a future electrical 18wheeler needs to start moving from 0, it sets the electrical engines runing in high revs with some 8-1 gearing to wheels. That way the engines have less resistance, so they generate less heat.
Electrical engines have one constructional drawback, and no amount of engineering will take it away. If the engine gets enough power to spin in normal circumstance, but for some reason it can not turn the wheels (heavy cargo, ditch, etc) the power goes to heat. Even if the wheels are spinning, the car moving etc, but it has to go upward, on sand, or any high resistance pavement, it turns a fraction of power into heat. That is why all the electric motors have cooling fins. No exceptions. As said above, if the resistance is high enough, suddenly you have not an engine, but a fucking induction oven.
Go open up a middleschool physics book.
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e5ffff No.14351
>>14349
Btw i have 0 experience with motorcycles or anything that hass less than 4 wheels. For all i know that blue smoke might have been a clear sigh of death.
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94da02 No.14352
>>14349
Help me out here. I'm trying to figure out how you got to "let me educate this dummy who doesn't know how an electric motor works" from
>What is the original Honda Insight
I can play your game, too, though.
A turbocharger experiencing compressor stall does not mean it stops spinning, it's an aerodynamic stall, which means the airflow separates from the compressor fins, causing it to not suck in any more air. This causes the compressed air to be expelled again.
Go open up an engineering book, dummy.
>pic related
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e5ffff No.14354
>>14352
I am not sure what your post is trying to tell me in this case besides "ur dum" I still stand not corrected.
My arguments were
>electrical engines produce heat under stress
>electrical engines produce less heat undel low stress, thus waste less power (input to engine remains the same, output goes to waste because the wheels are not spinning)
>so future electric trucks could use a gearbox
Did you provide any arguments? No, you did not.
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f91df4 No.14355
>>8790
15 seconds of paint
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e5ffff No.14356
>>14355
Now you made it look like some Aston Martin
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94da02 No.14357
>>14354
You seem to have trouble wrapping your head around this. I'll try to make it more simple for you.
62c7a4 posts this:
>Someone has to make electric kits that let us replace drivetrains from engine to electric. Think of the potential.
>Of course, it would be quite complicated, and it must leave the regular engine as generator while forgetting the gearbox completely (electric engines+gearboxes will not happen on road cars, maybe only specialised towing vehicles).
>No, it has to replace the gearbox (direct acces to engine power for max generation), and handle the power to wheels the same way gearbox did (axles)
To which I (4c37af) reply:
>electric engines+gearboxes will not happen on road cars
>What is the original Honda Insight
Since it technically does have an electric motor (although coupled to a combustion engine) in line with a manual transmission.
To this, you (62c7a4) reply with a lecture on how electric motors work, which completely misses the point of my post you're replying to, and on top of that you tell me "ur dum" by implying that I don't know fucking middle school physics.
Do you understand now, or do I need to use some other language?
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e5ffff No.14358
>>14357
yes, i didYou could use german language, that would be interesting. yes, i did
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