8bf273 No.12447
I'm not putting this in the QTDTOTT because I'm hoping this is going to be a build thread.
Basically, my dad has a 1986 Toyota SR5 Pickup. The engine is shot, so he's thinking about doing a V8 swap.
I know everyone is going to say do a 2JZ swap, but his heart is set on doing a V8 swap.
We have both a Ford 289carbed and 302fuel injected sitting around. Both need to be rebuilt, but the 289 has a C4 attached to it.
I've always been a Fordfag, but I know it's going to be cheaper and easier to go with some variant of an LS or a SBC.
I'm pretty sure the 4x4 faggots out there already have done this swap, so that makes me think an LS1 or LS3 in an old 2wd Toyota should be that much easier.
This truck's work days are done, so throw reliability out the window. Obviously, we aren't going to do an LSX swap because cash.
Thoughts on what chevy is a good one to pull the engine from? Not too worried about wiring since Painless should be able to handle most of the hard parts. I'ts still going to be a bitch getting it wired in the truck.
I'm just going to be the grunt for my dad, since I do all his mechanic stuff. Give me a good reason to steer him in the direction of a 2JZ instead of an LS, and ill do it.
It's got a 5 speed manual BTW.
If this thread gets any interest, I'll post some pics.
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8bf273 No.12448
pic in OP isn't far from what it looks like, it just isn't that clean. The bed is also a lot more rusty.
I think it would make a hell of a sleeper, other than the fact it would be FARRRRR louder than any stock Toyota pickup.
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8bf273 No.12454
>>12447
I don't know much but if you wanted to keep it Japanese you could do a swap with the Lexus LS/SC430/400. No idea how that would work and I assume mounting wouldn't be any easier because of the age gap.
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8bf273 No.12493
A ford engine in a toyota? Jesus man, just put the truck in a press right now, end it's fucking misery.
If you want to go american just go Chevy LS, if you want to keep it nippon, UZ V8. If it were me I'd keep it authentic to it's era with a 7MGTE
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8bf273 No.12494
>>12454
I imagine the size of any of those engines in a Toyota pickup is going to require a massive amount of fabrication. I know an LS swap isn't going to be easy, but considering the parts availability, I think an LS swap would probably be easier.
I was more or less trying to talk him into doing this because I'm pretty sure we could swap in an LS and get it running for not much more than what it's going to cost to get a remanned 22RE.
>>12493
>not liking ford
How many dicks have you sucked today?
in all seriousness, using the ford engines I have laying around would be a last resort. Both the 289 and the 302 would need to be rebuilt. The 289 has a C4 trans attached to it, which would probably also need a rebuild just because it's sat so long.
I'm thinking I can find a chevy/gmc pickup/suv with a 5.3, and use that for a build.
Anyone know what year chevys came with the LS1? I'm not planning on finding a wrecked vette to use for this, but I'm curious what other cars/trucks came with an LS1.
I'm guessing the wiring is probably going to be the biggest hurdle doing this swap, aside from the rear end, which I'm sure is going to grenade as soon as the pedal hits the floor.
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8bf273 No.12495
>>12494
>Anyone know what year chevys came with the LS1?
90s Camaros I think? Look it up, it's late and I can't be assed to.
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8bf273 No.12511
>>12494
>not liking ford
>How many dicks have you sucked today?
Exactly my point, zero dicks sucked because sucking dick isn't something I'd consider, hence the disdain for ford.
5.3 chevy is probably easy mode and should be economical considering how available they should be, just pick up and engine/trans/harness from a recycler. It'll be modern, reliable and powerful, unlike an old ford (not modern, not powerful) or a new ford (not reliable, not powerful either) as the modular era of engines is absolute junk.
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8bf273 No.12512
If I were to swap the engine in a MX5 NA or NB for something with more power, but didn't want to fuck up the 50/50 disputation, what might be a good engine to use? If I went with something like a 302 wouldn't I need to swap the transmission? Wouldn't it add too much to the front? I'd really like a mx5, but I fear I'm going to wish I had more power.
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8bf273 No.12514
>>12512
The NA comes in 1.6l and 1.8l flavors; if you go for the 1.8 you shouldn't be disappointed. Also, it's a really easy car to turbocharge, which could add some good power without fucking the distribution as hard.
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8bf273 No.12517
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>>12512
People do all kinds of V6 and V8 swaps in Miatas all the time and it barely touches the weight distribution. Here's a video about Monster Miata, and Flyin' Miata put an LS in a ND. You can put basically anything in it.
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8bf273 No.12518
>>12514
I like turbos, but long term I think I'm better off keeping it NA. I do keep my eye out for the 1.8s. I won't wait forever for one if I find a good 1.6. I'd go to the NBs if I cared that much, but I really like the NA and where i live I find way more of them for sale then the NBs.
>>12517
Is there anything an LS can't go in?
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8bf273 No.12525
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>>12518
>Is there anything an LS can't go in?
No.
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8bf273 No.12532
>>12512
50/50 is overrated, better to have a light tail you can fling around with little resistance.
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8bf273 No.12534
>>12532
I would think that depends on what you are doing. Maybe for drifting you would want it to be easy to fling around, but not for autocross or time attack. In the case of a road car or general purpose fun car it seems to me that it would be best to have it as balanced as possible.
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8bf273 No.12535
>>12534
Ok, maybe not for autocross. But for road use, being able to very quickly throw the tail's saved me from a few accidents.
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8bf273 No.12536
I prefer having a light tail. That way if you notice some understeer (i do not have power steering), you pull the handbrake and powerslide the corner avoiding accident.
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8bf273 No.12539
>>12536
One time my tie rods were so bent I had almost no left turn ability and had to use the accelerator to turn. I think the only reason I didn't die is because my truck had big cylinders and almost no weight on the drive axle.
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8bf273 No.12540
>>12535
>>12536
You can also achieve a similar result regardless of your weight distribution, by giving a lot of throttle and more turn. Both methods only work if you know how to drift. If you don't, you risk spinning out and making any potential accident worse.
It seems to me that both methods of drifting would also not work very well if your car had traction control. You'd probably lose the drift after a couple seconds and then get launched into a tree, or something to that effect.
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8bf273 No.12549
>>12540
Less throttle if you got a lot of torque. My pickup would get blown almost backwards in the wind and recovered course just as fast.
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8bf273 No.12554
>>12549
If you mean because the back end is so light due to it being a pickup, I think that would only work if you had a lot of speed. It also seems like it wouldn't end well if you kept off the throttle because a huge part of maintaining a drift is throttle modulation.
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8bf273 No.12560
>>12554
Nope. Why would you need a lot of speed? Are you used to vehicles which have siginificantly less torque than horsepower? I was going completely sideways as low as 10mph and that was with a 143hp engine.
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8bf273 No.12592
>>12560
>Why would you need a lot of speed?
Momentum.
>sideways as low as 10mph
Interesting. I've never actually drifted - this is all conjecture.
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8bf273 No.12740
Anyone have any idea what the cheapest LS based engine is? I'm thinking one of the 5.3 liter ones. Getting one of the LM4 i think that's what the code was all aluminum ones would be nice to save on weight, but 300hp in a sub 3000 lb truck is going to scoot regardless. Obviously this is a budget build, so no fucking way an LSA or LSX is going in this one.
Is there any feasible way to keep a manual trans in it? I know the stock Toyota trans is going to grenade as soon as it starts up, plus I really doubt anyone makes a bellhousing to adapt an LS to a Toyota 5 speed. I'm kinda thinking it's going to be easier to just put in a 4 speed auto that's not electronically controlled.
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