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8th day Anonymous 07/20/19 (Sat) 06:40:53 No.17198

The most I've ever done is ~14 days, unintentionally. I started with purpose ~2 years ago, and found the intensity after 3-5 days kind of exciting. Invigorating, in a way that you would think coincides with a higher T-level, though I don't require that to be the case. Morning wood is a more positive experience than is fapping.

So I've mostly gone for three day stretches. Occasionally I hit 10, but lately think that aiming for three times a month is like saying you're only going to shoot heroin occasionally. How often does that work out for people?

Lately I'm also thinking it's better not to watch the clock too much; whether it's been 3 days or 300 doesn't change my plans. If there's no endpoint, it doesn't matter when it began. There's no good time to interrupt the accretion of virtue.

Not sure what I expect to get out of this, other than to maintain a virtuous spiral of which nofap is one thing among many. I used to be sedentary, became fit. Had bad eating habits, then cut grains and did intermittent fasting and subsequently lost four belt sizes. And that, of course, dovetails: when you weigh 20 pounds less, changing your body composition from fat to muscle, you get a synergistic boost to your running speed. When running is fun and easy, you tend to do more of it, and so on, ever upward.

So I'm wondering what I might get out of nofap if I actually stick to it for more than a couple weeks. Not just the sense of self-overcoming, but maybe something to do with "transmuting" the surfeit of energy, through meditation.

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Anonymous 07/20/19 (Sat) 16:36:40 No.17200

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After 7 days your Testosterone levels spike up to 40-50% before stabilizing at a higher baseline, like a muscle. It makes you so horny that looking at women can make you pop boners. It's not overpowering and passes over quickly.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241?dopt=Abstract

After 15 days, your brain androgen receptors start recovering from damage caused by porn induced frequent masturbation, allowing your body to make use of that testosterone; this is the source of the claims of deeper voice and muscle growth.

https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/99250

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23707935/

A few weeks in (depending on individual genetics, may be faster for you) your dopamine and prolactin levels normalize. Prolactin is what gives you focus, confidence, and motivation. Having too much dopamine, as with the case of frequent masturbation, will rewire your brain and cause hypofrontality. The brain activity becomes similar to drug addicts and mentally ill people like schizoids. You will be experiencing headaches, but that's okay. It is the same headache you get when you're learning or stressed. Your brain is literally rewiring you.

http://www.entelechyjournal.com/pulling_away_after_sex1.htm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/scary-effects-pornography-21st-centurys-accute-addiction-rewiring/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/

There's also your body needing 3 months to develop sperm. Semen is recycled after periods of abstinence and those nutrients reenter your bloodstream. You will be experiencing heightened levels of energy which may last days before normalizing. There are threads here and on other sites discussing how much it affects you and some other trivia so lurk a bit for some answers because they'll probably touch on some of your questions.

https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/value-of-semen-one-drop-of-semen-is-manufactured-out-of-forty-drops-of-blood.194087/

There is a trap many people fall into after that period. It isn't depression you're feeling, it's the state every normal person feels because you've recovered from Porn at this point. The feeling of heightened awareness is indescribable though likened to a clean drug. Going back to the normal state feels bad because it is dull in comparison. Most people relapse in order to feel that same high, but they ultimately fail because they'll never achieve it and spiral into more and more fapping. The important thing to remember is to keep your discipline and that same state will return in a few days along with your conviction.

Hope this helps. Day 244 here, it gets easier with time.

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Anonymous 07/20/19 (Sat) 22:24:27 No.17203

>>17200

Not OP, but why did I just do it? I'm going to report in to this thread every day until I reach 7 days. Day 0.

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Anonymous 07/20/19 (Sat) 22:27:47 No.17204

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>>17200

Excellent, thank you so much for the scholarly articles. I hadn't heard about the three month rule before, either. I'll definitely want to hit that this time around.

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Anonymous 07/20/19 (Sat) 22:54:48 No.17206

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>>17203

OP here. You should read the links. This one in particular is about the neurobiology of addiction: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/

Some bits that jumped out at me as being interesting, if not immediately useful:

>The application in addiction is that a-processes occur first and reflect tolerance. In contrast, the b-processes arise after the a-process have concluded and reflect withdrawal. Solomon and Corbit [52] used skydivers as an example of the opposite, wherein the novice skydivers experience great fear when they jump (b-process) and some relief when they land (a-process). As they repeat the behavior, the balance shifts such that experienced skydivers experience some fear when they jump but great relief when they land.

>Robinson and Berridge [61] recently updated their model to remove the necessity of the component of liking, illustrating wanting as the only component of Incentive Sensitization theory. They did so by transitioning lab rats from “revulsion” (pressing lever dispensed bitter sea salt) to “wanting”, by activating the mesocorticolimbic pathway immediately prior to the presentation of the same lever. They thus propose these results as countering the traditional Pavlovian conditioning based arguments regarding the learning component of addiction (that compulsion and cravings are based on prior learned associations), and emphasize how cravings “hijack” brain circuits of reward

It's hard to say why you, specifically, relapsed. But, a general description of addictive processes might explain things pretty well.

Though, I guess the "why" doesn't explain the how of overcoming the cravings. For that, I would recommend meditation as the polar opposite of modern overstimulation. To separate yourself from modern assumptions, like that experiencing any kind of discomfort is in some sense "wrong" and any negative feelings should be "cured" by more consumption.

Or even simpler: reframe the cravings. When you feel the urge to fap or look at porn, realize that this is the feeling of you becoming more powerful and more free.

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10th day Anonymous 07/21/19 (Sun) 20:09:49 No.17213

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I guess this is the standard day 10 struggle. My chemistry seems to be crashing today, and the impulse to indulge in short term highs is strong. Seeing why this is the point where I normally fail, I have only to be mindful, and regard the impulse as one might a street junkie who screams at you as you pass by.

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Anonymous 07/21/19 (Sun) 22:12:06 No.17214

>>17206

Thanks anon. It can definitely be described as an addiction at this point, with how binge sessions come and go, it not being enjoyable but still I do it out of habit. I understand the concepts you're speaking about, I often embrace discomfort as part of the struggle of life. I did listen to the whole of what you linked and I have to ask - what was that mud noise meant to be?

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Anonymous 07/21/19 (Sun) 22:57:04 No.17215

>>17206

>>17214

This quote stands out to me:

>“natural” sexuality cannot compare to the newly developed and continuously reinforced maps generated by continued compulsive watching of Internet pornography, and thus the addicted individual progresses to more explicit and graphic Internet pornography in order to maintain the higher level of excitement.

That's something we've all learned to be true for ourselves, the explanation for the rise in deviancy in the (((modern world))).

Why natural is in quotes I don't know. Kikes.

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Anonymous 07/21/19 (Sun) 23:15:30 No.17217

>>17214

They're Japanese Buddhists chanting the lotus sutra. Basically swearing to follow the path of Buddhahood, which is congenial to nofap.

As for why I posted it, I didn't have any particular intention. I just like the sound of it, and how far removed from everyday poz it is.

>>17215

The poz runs deep with academics. It's like so many mental illnesses have become protected classes now that they have to future-proof themselves by denying that nature even exists. lmao

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12th day Anonymous 07/24/19 (Wed) 01:05:55 No.17226

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Smooth sailing. My energy has returned with a vengeance, and I haven't bent on nofap even slightly. I did bend on my nosurf effort, and indulged in some bugshit.

I see porn as part of a broader problem of modernity: that we too often find ourselves taking refuge in illusion, be it porn, or in my case, parasocial media/"friend simulators". ASMR is popular because it combines the two.

I'm embarrassed to admit that videogame streams were harder to give up than was porn, and I'd gone a week and a half without any of that garbage, until yesterday. The indulgence has persuaded me that strict abstinence is about as important with regard to bugshit as it is to fapping.

Whereas porn overtly denigrates the humanity of both the viewer and participant, parasocial media is deleterious in a more subtle way. Just look at the human wreckage that comprises twitchchat. Consider the basic idea of twitch through a '90s lens: you're going to watch someone you don't even know play a videogame. Absurd. It's another voyeuristic, vicarious sort of consumption, like TV. It was obvious before I got into it, and now it's doubly obvious that this shit isn't for me. But for awhile it was certainly palliative for dealing with modern life.

Worse, when I'm watching bugshit, or have it in the background, my attention is necessarily filled by it to some extent. To that extent, it excludes other things from my attention. Given the maxim "your focus determines your reality", the necessary conclusion is that engaging in bugshit colors my reality with something insipid and contemptible.

Twitch was a mistake. It probably has some redeeming value if you look hard enough, but I'm just going to double down on finding better distractions for my idle hours. Embed related.

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14th day Anonymous 07/25/19 (Thu) 23:47:10 No.17232

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We need ideals larger than life. I like the League of Shadows as one example: you can bet Ra's Al Ghul doesn't accept dudes who lack even the willpower to stop jacking off. Nofap is literally step one. It is the least of challenges. It's ridiculous, petty, trivial. Yet by that token, absolutely necessary. What are you if you can't do the most basic fucking thing?

I like Dune, too. Paul Atreides keeps his hand in the pain box and that baldheaded bitch awards him the title of "human". If he'd failed, he'd have been "just an animal", indistinct in a whole galaxy of animals.

I like the sith, at least in theory. In practice, Star Wars is awful and has nothing of value to offer anyone, but there's appeal in the idea of these black-clad space nazis who strive for perfection, and who fight a bunch of sanctimonious neckbeards who've banded together to impose their anti-human slave morality upon the galaxy.

Too many whites entertain too high an opinion of ourselves because muh sub-saharan 65 IQ or whatever. Yeah, we're not literal retards whose only function on earth is to be deployed as a bioweapon, but that in itself only constitutes potential. Goyim who know should also notice that, broadly speaking, we're being pulled down to the level of farm animals when circumstances mandate that we become ascendant in every way possible.

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Anonymous 07/26/19 (Fri) 08:43:44 No.17235

>>17226

>>17232

You sound ridiculous using language like that when you're talking about how your hobbies are watching people play video games. Can I recommend that you look into religion?

https://youtu.be/vw-6ToEcirE

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Anonymous 07/26/19 (Fri) 18:48:32 No.17239

>>17235

lmao, welcome to /nofap/. We all sound ridiculous, believe it or not. We're here specifically to overcome the ridiculous problems of living in clownworld.

I'm not sure what else to say that wouldn't be repeating myself.

>you're talking about how your hobbies are watching people play video games.

Browbeating people into your religion like this might work with your fellow fresh-off-the-boat nigerians, but you're barking up the wrong tree, here.

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Anonymous 07/26/19 (Fri) 18:59:46 No.17240

>>17239

I play video games. I will always ridicule stream watchers, even if I wasn't genuinely trying to help.

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Anonymous 07/27/19 (Sat) 03:04:08 No.17241

>>17240

I thought I was clear enough before, but: I stopped watching a couple weeks ago, dipped back in to see if "maybe just a little" is okay, and found pretty definitively that it isn't. The whole thing has become distasteful and counterproductive for various reasons.

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No fap no root 07/27/19 (Sat) 12:12:24 No.17242

>>17240

Video games? This type of faggotry is why I dont hang here as much..also I bought a dogo with my no fap super powers :0

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16th day Anonymous 07/27/19 (Sat) 19:22:01 No.17245

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Today is officially never-gone-this-far-before territory. There's a lot about what I'm doing now that used to seem impossible for me to achieve in terms of focus and discipline.

>So I'm wondering what I might get out of nofap if I actually stick to it for more than a couple weeks. Not just the sense of self-overcoming, but maybe something to do with "transmuting" the surfeit of energy, through meditation.

I'm already seeing an improvement in the quality of my meditation. It's easier to "make myself" do it; I'm not lethargically clinging to distractions anymore. The ease with which I enter and maintain concentration within the practice itself is also better, probably because I'm no longer task-switching all day, and thus have less mental noise in general.

Apropos, I found this on /fit/ recently: https://puredhamma.net/bhavana-meditation/the-second-level/

Key to Purify the Mind

The metaphor of the polluted well is interesting; you can't just let the filth settle, but must clean it out. You certainly should not stir the filth by thinking about it, or indulging it "within reason" or whatever excuses we like to make to ourselves.

Will post back when I've developed some sweet-ass kundalini sex powers.

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19th day Anonymous 07/31/19 (Wed) 02:43:29 No.17255

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Doin' handstand pushups like motherfucking goku.

>>17241

> dipped back in to see if "maybe just a little" is okay, and found pretty definitively that it isn't

Because it isn't just porn that's the problem; it's a set of neural pathways whose endpoints all tend toward the same pattern of artificially elevated dopamine, as though you were on drugs. It doesn't take much stimulus to strengthen those pathways to the point where you're starting all over again.

All addictions "flood the reward center with dopamine" according to this video from the "physical brain changes" thread.

The internet "is charming for its novelty," which almost got me last night. I randomly went to /agatha2/ to see what bizarre things the internet is up to these days. All I found was some russian chick reading poetry over stills of anime, so no harm done. Still, the breach of discipline was pretty disappointing: I was novelty-seeking, which is basically step one in the addiction cycle.

ASMR and other things that aren't quite porn are obviously "supernormal" stimuli. I think that includes anything at all parasocial.

Edging will ratchet up your dopamine level unnaturally, and likely produce most of the negative impact of actually cumming. I haven't done that at all since I got serious, but seeing it explained neurochemically made the conclusion inescapable.

Also from that thread was this post https://8ch.net/nofap/res/1145.html#q1155 which describes some of the more profound claims about the benefits of meditation. Particularly the bit about altering your gene expression.

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23rd day Anonymous 08/03/19 (Sat) 08:15:46 No.17275

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>I randomly went to /agatha2/ to see what bizarre things the internet is up to these days.

Well, I haven't fallen into that particular trap again, but the internet is multifarious. It seems a lot of my time-wasting arises from the necessities of checking my mail and trying to keep abreast of what's going on in the world. It's still easy for me to monkey-branch from the obligatory to the utterly useless.

Today was a clusterfuck. I underslept, completely lost focus, wasted a lot of time and energy, and got very little done other than fitness and meditation. I can't let adverse conditions ruin entire days like this.

My thinking now is that I have to approach the internet as I did nofap: re-examine my assumption that elements of my daily routine aren't like addictions, corrosive to both my productivity and mental state, just as porn had seemed innocuous for a long time.

Though in this case, the problem seems to be as much what I did, as that I was too tired to get a grip. I definitely noticed at various times that I was impaired, as you might notice the temptation to fap. The question is whether you're able to seize upon the moment of noticing to change your behavior.

Easier said than done.

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3rd day (FUG :DDD) Anonymous 01/09/20 (Thu) 04:18:21 No.17314

I got to day 33. General malaise got the better of me. As is ever the case, trying to cure yourself with poison tends to multiply one's problems. A typical failing of the weak, tbh. Went another month through November, though. I'm slowly shrugging off the nihilism to the point where I'm able to give enough of a shit to exercise self-discipline.

Fortunately, my goddamn thread is back, so I can take my own advice again.

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Anonymous 01/11/20 (Sat) 13:03:17 No.17327

>>17235

I enjoyed these posts, left me in an elevated state of being. We should fight against cultural and linguistic decline, make it so that not just larping fedora wearers write&talk like that

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sage 01/15/20 (Wed) 09:40:42 No.17332

>>17327

Thanks; it means a lot to hear that.

Unrelated daily reminder that porn is for the smallest of small-souled bugmen:

>sexy bhabhi sexy cleavage sexy aunty sexy girl hot boobs shemale kinner hijra

>18+ Dog feeded by a girl New hot boobs video 2020

>Hot sexy boobs aunty | Tamil aunty | Indian aunty | village aun

>Xxx Afreen Khan Big Boobs

>Pakistani I fuck my girlfriend sister.

This is apparently just what turns up if you search for "boobs" on YouTube now. Very strange that so many results seem to come from the third world and include the word "aunty". Maybe this is related:

>"Pakistan is by volume the world leader for Google searches of the terms

>'shemale sex' 'teen anal sex,' and 'man fucking man,'

>according to Google Trends. Pakistan also ranks second in the world (after

>similarly gay-intolerant Kenya) for volume of searches

>for the search term 'gay sex pics',"

They didn't even mention the zoophilia!

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7th day or whatever Anonymous 02/26/20 (Wed) 05:57:50 No.17443

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A redditor sums up the experience of relapsing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/bp621s/life_after_qutting_nofap/

>I was afraid of people seeing me, which never happened when I was on Nofap.

>Exercise frequency fell to a new low, from working out everyday to only twice

a week. Even then, it took so much willpower to get out of the house.

>my most hated enemy - the brain fog, was back. It clouded my thinking and

followed me like a shadow, always putting a veil over my eyes so I couldn't see

the happiness and joy of people around me. My mind just wasn't as sharp and

snappy as it used to be and I felt my brain was becoming "laggy".

>For some reason when I started fapping, it felt as if the joy in me had fled

like a frightened child who saw a ghost.

>became less happy, and my old demon of depression came knocking on my door. I

felt the familiar gloominess everyday when I woke up, and this carried on for

the rest of the day.

<TFW you capitulate in spiritual warfare and are dispirited because of it

Once you've drawn the line in the sand, you cannot then cross it without paying a certain penalty. This penalty may or may not include being beset by ghosts and demons, and a thickening of the veil which separates us from primordial truth.

As for me, I've been ramping up my fitness routines in preparation for spring and trying to optimize T-level. I wondered in the OP whether nofap and meditation could synergize in some big way, and it seems like with practice that might be the case. I base that on how differently my body works lately. Endurance and recovery times like I've never experienced.

Meditation is supposed to be good for your t-level because it reduces cortisol, which is in some ways antagonistic to testosterone. So it might be time to get back into that, now.

I also said this in the OP:

>Lately I'm also thinking it's better not to watch the clock too much; whether it's been 3 days or 300 doesn't change my plans. If there's no endpoint, it doesn't matter when it began. There's no good time to interrupt the accretion of virtue.

Which I don't necessarily agree with now. Life is cyclical. Some of what we do needs to be skewed to offset the skew of clownworld, but the point is to come into balance.

Also, I experimented with semen retention, ie [COOMING INTERNALLY]. Would not recommend for any purpose. Just don't stir the water and the water will remain clear.

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