a059ab No.354655 [View All]
One thing that I think about sometimes is, how would a monster girl species change through generations? Could there be traits of one girl put into another? Could a Golem continue a family line even though she's artificial?
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7d7d56 No.354900
Do we have fucking bio majors on /monster/?
OH GOD WE HAVE BIO MAJORS ON /monster/!
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031a1f No.354905
One day we'll be able to tell our granddaughterus that this thread was where it all began…
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830d3c No.354909
>>354900
I'm studying Genetic Engineering, you twat. And the other replies atleast show that Genetics was a major part of their curriculum.
>>354905
It actually began in a threadd where we originally discussed monsters giving birth to human daughters and the morality associated.
>>354894
Mitochondrial inheritance does exist and it is entirely maternal. A similar thing happens with chloroplasts. The offspring will ALWAYS carry the organelle with the mother's DNA. Anything this g these organelles have in common? Evolutionary biology believes that they were once individual cells, maybe prey, maybe pathogens of the ancestral unicellular race. They evolved with the original unicellular organisms to set up a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship and now, it's come to the point they're inseparable. Your idea of a special organelle specific to monsters that gets shut down by testosterone isn't entirely implausible. As for how it transfers….remember the black goo? You know, the one that monsters use to infect and turn other women into monsters? Mamono Mana?
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790c58 No.354947
>>354894
>but the biggest one I can think of is transporting hydrophobic gene products
Isn't RNA and most proteins hydrophilic? There are plenty of proteins with some hydrophobic component like inter-membrane proteins but they're transported fairly easily, and I imagine the same would be said about these new gene products.
>>354909
Biomed represent
See, while Mitochondrial DNA does mean there's a chance such a thing could be possible, don't mitochondrial genes only code for proteins relevant to mitochondrial functions? Even proteins in the mitochondria that have effects outside of the mitochondria, like cytochrome c, are coded by nuclear DNA, not mitochondrial DNA. We could make a new organelle/secondary nucleus with DNA that acts on cellular structures other than itself, but I don't think we could use mitochondria as a model for it outside of inheritance. And unlike the mitochondria, it needs to replicate in tandem with nuclear DNA during cell division, as more than one of it in a cell at a time would likely lead to issues cropping up. This would require some cross-communication between the two nuclei, other than of course the silencing or activation of certain genes in one nucleus by the products of the other. An alternative is for the DNA in the secondary nucleus to code for proteins that respond to typical cell cycle signals, though that in and of itself could prove problematic.
Side note: Would this secondary nucleus have it's own endoplasmic reticulum or would it be fused to the one belonging to the nucleus? iirc the morphology of the ER during cell division isn't terribly well understood, so having one fused to the existing ER could prove problematic.
>>354900
>>354905
I think I should let you guys know that what we're discussing is purely theoretical. To actually do all this would require massive amounts of funding and resources. Even with that, experimentation and testing our new creations would take a fair amount of time and would likely prove to be morally dubious.
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830d3c No.355021
>>354947
What if we considered mamono mana to be made up of intracellular symbiotic micro-organisms? These organisms infect and live inside the cells of the infected human, and their gene expression produces proteins that mess with development and hormone balances. So the mother will likely face limited monsterization but the daughter will be full monster. Some bacteria irl like mycobacterium and Legionella enter into cells to escape immune detection and replicate, so this idea could work. We also have viruses, that need to infect cells, overwrite genetic code with their own so that the infected cell produce more viral particles. I just don't know if it would be gender specific.
Snother angle would be to look at the most popular behavior altering parasite known to man, Venom. Biologically speaking, how does he work? We could theoretically apply similar logic to mamono mana, although that comes at a cost of realism.
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0311d9 No.355029
>>354909
>>355021
Turning the organelle into an infectious organism is possible, but it imposes higher costs on the host. It also increases the risk of dangerous mutations. I wouldn't headcannon infectious monstergirls.
>>354947
>hydrophobic gene products
Yep, most gene products are hydrophilic, and some hydrophobic proteins are secreted through pathways other than the ER-golgi. Connection to the ER, however, brings the molecular pathways the secondary nucleus uses more in line with the cell's existing ones.
>ER during cell division
The PDF shows how the ER behaves during mitosis. Given how diffuse the ER is and how it divides, connecting the secondary nucleus to the existing ER makes more sense than trying to fit in a second ER.
>mitochondrial coding
Mitochondria have lost the majority of their genes since their endosymbiotic origin. Now most of the proteins used by mitochondria are coded for by nuclear DNA. The relationship of the primary and secondary nuclei is the reverse of this but to a lesser degree. Genes normally present in the primary nucleus are transferred to the secondary.
>simultaneous replication
Good point. Let the secondary nucleus, like the primary nucleus, have outer and inner envelopes such that the outer is continuous with the RER. The outer envelopes of both nuclei disintegrate during mitosis. The inner envelope of the secondary nucleus, unlike that of the primary nucleus, has its own cytokinetic process. Small microtubule spindles and a contractile ring divide the inner envelope into two daughter organelles before prometaphase. The cell's mitotic spindles attach to kinetochore-like structures on the daughter organelles' outer edges and separate them like chromosomes in anaphase.
>nuclei communication
The inner envelopes of both nuclei would have Nuclear Pore Complexes. Because ribosomes synthesize proteins in the RER, these are permeable to all the proteins involved in gene regulation. Karyopherins can also carry RNAs across NPCs.
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0311d9 No.355058
>>355029
>mitochondrial coding
Clarification: there is no actual transfer of genes taking place. Genes that would normally be part of a cell's nucleus are instead contained in the new organelle.
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b220e8 No.355065
>tfw you can become a space marine and have a monstergirl waifu in your lifetime
Godspeed you glorious autists
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1b14f9 No.355112
>>355065
I don't want to become a Space Marine if it means getting Trump hands.
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f48602 No.388376
>>354767
so human women would die out? or would it be 33/33/33 split?
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e2ab7b No.388385
I had a different idea on how human boys arise from MGS.
I'm using mge as a basis because A. They go into this in enough detail and B. They would like this arraigenment
Let's say, post DOTR, all MGS have eggs that contain either Monster X cromosomes or human X cromosomes (for procration or ploymorph spell) when they interact with male sperm there could be four outcomes
MX + x = monster daughter
MX + y = Monster x cromosome monsterises y chromosome and makes monster daughter
hx + x = mother's Mana monsterises baby in womb and makes Monster daughter
hx +y ° mother's Mana incubises baby and makes human son
There are two faults here 1. The "human" baby could never be truly weaned, relying on his mother's Mana until a mg shows up and marries him, thus becoming his source. 2 only 1/4 of children will be boys, this will either make the ones who never marry into mamono incels, or give them an urge to conquer (human wife withholding more than a week = free real estate in their eyes).
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7f4d62 No.388386
>>355112
There's more to life than your dick anon
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a8be26 No.388410
I can imagine this is going to ruffle some feathers but what about monster girls and the other human races? For example, what happens if a Japanese Ochimusha has a child with a European male or what if a European dragon girl has a child with a Japanese male? would this even happen in the first place? Or perhaps, do monster girls have in their culture or ingrained into their DNA not to race mix? Also in the case that they did race mix, what would the off spring look like and would the child suffer from any genetic disorders like hapas do?
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9c742c No.388415
>>388410
The former would be the case because that's already true for healthy minded people who aren't indoctrinated in liberalism in any degree, up to and including classical liberalism. As for the other question, yeah they'd probably have genetic disorders because they're incompatible on a genetic level. Don't need to be a biology major to figure that one out.
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a8be26 No.388421
>>388415
what about monster girls that don't really have a "race" like the automaton or something similar. More importantly, would a monster girl consider a hapa as a husband? it seems like an extremely cruel fate for monster girl to become real but none of them are interested because you are race mixed. I suppose the living armor girl could be a viable option for them because she doesn't necessarily have a race. Is it even possible for a girl like that to get pregnant?
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7029a5 No.388428
>>388410
honestly the concerns of making incel eurasians is a meme. Eliot was the son of a jew.
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67d82b No.388437
>>388421
>what about monster girls that don't really have a "race" like the automaton or something similar.
>hapa marries automaton
>MGR happens
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427975 No.388446
How does inheritance work for echidnas if their children aren't even the same species?
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4e0308 No.388451
>>388410
That depends entirely how human populations came about in MGE. Were they separated for tens of thousands of years like in ours? Because monsters becoming monster girls to me says they have plenty of same race (as human genotypes because they have magically taken on human phenotypes.
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a8be26 No.388615
>>388428
So… it's… okay to marry a Japanese Ochimusha even if you are European male? That would be my biggest concern, having an Incel child. Also another question I had regarding genetics, could a European woman monsterize into an Ochimusha or could a Japanese female monsterize into a dragon girl? These monster girls are commonly associated with japan and europe so would it even be possible to have those human women become those specific monster girls?
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017112 No.388621
>>388615
its magic you dumb nigger
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427975 No.388622
>>388615
My assumption is that humans work the same way as elves, in that the dark versions automatically monsterize.
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a8be26 No.388664
>>388621
The point of this thread was to scientifically explain how DNA works in monster girls. I don't think it makes me a dumb nigger for staying with the theme of the thread. You eternal (((1)))'s make me laugh.
Another solution to the hapa problem could be hooking them up with slime girls since the children of slime girls are genetic clones of their mother. This means there is no genetic material passed on so no birth defects or being confused of who they are.
>>388437
I am not exactly sure what you mean by that, what happened with redux? Perhaps it's better I don't know?
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392543 No.388665
>>388615
Don't be a /pol/tard about it. Enjoy the setting and remember that whites aren't going extinct in this made up world. The happy ending is the official one. Dont worry about irl things when engaging in it.
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3c838f No.388668
>>388664
Except the males will continue to be hapas.
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a8be26 No.388670
>>388665
Thanks. I guess that's the positive thing about MGE and monster girls in general it's not real. at least not yet I just think monster girls could teach us a lot about our world.
>>388668
I wasn't aware that slimes could give birth to human males. It just seems largely impossible for a human baby to grow in a slime's womb.
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2b688e No.388678
>>388668
Your daughters will be Asians and your sons inexplicably Aryan.
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a8be26 No.388682
>>388678
Thanks for the reassurance.
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67d82b No.388699
>>388664
>I am not exactly sure what you mean by that, what happened with redux?
Nothing.
**I was talking about Metal Gear Rising, the game where you're a weeb cyborg killing robot african child soldiers.
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a8be26 No.388750
>>388699
Not a problem. It was my fault for confusing Meat Gears Falling with monster girl redux. Nice dubs by the way.
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3c838f No.388754
>>388670
What makes you think males cannot grow in a slime's womb?
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e2ab7b No.388755
>>388754
I keep thinking a human boy in a slime's womb would be visible from the outside. I also think the sight of it might trigger pro-abortion people.
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a8be26 No.388756
>>388754
I doubt a slime's womb could properly form the correct environment for a human male child to be born. This is because a human female's womb is a certain temperature and also the slime would need eggs to grow a child. As far as i am concerned, slimes are cool (cooler than 98.6F or 37C) and slimes are only composed of slime and nothing else.
>>388755
Why do you think the sight of that would trigger pro abortion "people"?
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2b688e No.388757
>>388664
Shoggoths contain the primordial DNA of every living thing, just so you know. As the Lovecraft mythos goes, some escaped captivity and their DNA leaked into the primeval Earth and kickstarted the evolution of all life. I imagine a shoggoth girl would be compatible with anyone and give birth to children of whatever characteristics she desired. Which would likely be the children you most want.
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a8be26 No.388759
>>388757
Well what do you know? shoggoths save the day! At least now hapas and other race mixed people can have a monster girl wife and not race mix. I still am of the firm belief that slime girls cannot give birth to human males for reasons I said previously. The shogg might be an exception but she would have to stay in a warm environment. The shogg might have the ability to regulate her body temperature but I doubt other slimes do.
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dd00a7 No.388780
Genetics nerds, how do I get good at EteRNA? Is there any other way to help assist in creation of domesticated catgirls and other mamonos?
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e2ab7b No.388785
>>388756
It's be like showing a sonogram of a fetus everywhere, which the pro-abortion side says might deter people from getting one, imagine what would happen if a girl who's considering abortion (or has just had one) walking around and every pregnant slime has a visible fetus.
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520c4f No.388788
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c2efa9 No.388809
To the biofag and geneticist, if youre still here, i have a strange idea not based in any sort of education about a workaround for the zygote death problem. Is there any possibility of manono's high sex drive could be a behavior that would expose their body to the man's dna on a regular enough basis that the immune system would begin to not have the immune system reject it? Like some kind of inverse vaccine?
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a8be26 No.388854
>>388788
The fact that you have 88 as your dubs makes your post even funnier. The shoggoth will always save the day, even if Lovecraft doesn't like the idea of her in a wedding dress. I would have included this comic that shows Lovecraft loading a double barrel shotgun but I cannot find it, unfortunately.
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a8be26 No.388855
>>388785
What would happen to abortion clinics on the DOTR?
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2b688e No.388856
>>388855
Probably fire bombed. You'd see the pro-life advocates going on the news saying, "Good God, girls! Calm down a little."
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427975 No.388887
>>388855
Is there an age limit on zombies?
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a8be26 No.388944
>>388887
I don't think so. I doubt there's anything stopping from an infant becoming a a zombie. With that being said, I find it hard to believe that unborn fetuses could monsterize, as sad as that seems.
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a8be26 No.388946
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>>388944
You know that thing called proof reading? I clearly need it.
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d327b9 No.388953
>>388944
>undead giving birth
There is so much shit to work out with this I'm leaving this to the biofags in the thread. Mind you if undead can give birth that removes the macabre (but funny) situations where abortion clinics are raided by lonely zombies looking to start a family
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e2ab7b No.388961
One issue I think might make things interesting is the first generation of boys born from monsters might not be able to be weaned, think about it. Monstergirls were designed for mystical-biological enforcement of monogomy, now resolving such an issue would be a top research priority for their mothers and then wives, so that their loved ones aren't seen as "freaks" but it would be interesting to see how different factions take such news, especially in a post-industrial world.
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520c4f No.388967
>>388961
How do you mean they cant be weaned? What could possibly cause such an issue?
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e2ab7b No.388970
>>388967
Mamono Mana is designed to make one depend on it to one extent or another. If you were incubised as an adult or shota you already had some reliance on food prior, if you had that stuff pumping into your body before you had a proper digestive tract, the magic might force the body to reject other forms of nourishment, even after the adult teeth form, this might also be a way for the chief "god" to curb the Maou's plan, "okay here is your boys! Too bad the'll be nothing but parasites!"
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89d6fe No.388973
>>388970
I think you’re misunderstanding the nature of the incubus-mamono feedback loop
So the standard way that humans sustain themselves in this universe, as in most, is by food. It gives us energy, both physical, and enabling us to continue making spirit energy.
A human/incubus with a mamono wife can use an alternative method to sustain each other by pouring spirit and demonic energy into their respective partners via sex. Spirit energy enters physically in the form of semen, while demonic as far as I can tell just kinda flows invisibly into the man once sexual contact has begun.
A breastfeeding infant is doing the original method of sustaining themselves i. e. Ingesting food. A monster mother doesn’t change this, the baby is still drinking physical products. Perhaps the milk from a mamono mother would carry demonic energy to the child, but this is nowhere near the levels supplied to that mamono’s husband necessary to create the feedback loop.
So the kid isn’t unaccustomed to physical digestion. If this was a problem, we’d likely already see it among those mamono which can get by on other sources of food much like humans.
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