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 No.3604

I'm calling Christians on /monarchy/, specifically all Christians who adore monarchy for its ceremonial value and heritage: respect the pagans, and be polite in religious discourse.

Europe's pagan heritage deserves respect. We ought to appreciate the pagan origins of the ceremonies and beliefs surrounding it. These deistic beliefs like the scepter and orb, along with the symbols and beliefs. Don't disparage the spiritual culture before and after Christianity. And Christianity does hold weight for the benefits and consequences we see in Western civilization.

Pagans have ground in criticizing the civilization in its current state. I'm not asking Christians to take criticism lightly. Just take the weight of being polite first.

This thread will remain for a mutual discussion on pagan and Christian influences on monarchy as a structure.

Pagan monarchies in Europe had a ritualistic divine right between a king and a feminine goddess. In Ireland, Celtic kings also partook in ceremonies where their kingship had a right in a ceremony with a bond between a feminine power. It isn't too patriarchal or matriarchal. It is a simple unity of the sexes. This rite of passage became a king's right. In Arthurian legend, the Lady of the Lake gives Excalibur to King Arthur, for example.

The origin of the scepter and orb ceremony also originate with pagan influences and Christian ceremony in its own right. There is a Germanic explanation that the scepter resembled a hammer and the orb was a rock, and power coming down from lightning and thunder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger

To citizens of the Roman Empire, the plain round globe held by Jupiter represented the world, or the universe, as the dominion held by the emperor. A 2nd-century coin from the reign of Emperor Hadrian shows the Roman goddess Salus with her foot upon a globus, and a 4th-century coin from the reign of Emperor Constantine I shows him with a globus in hand. The orbis terrarum was central to the iconography of the Tetrarchy, representing the Tetrarchs' restoration of security to the Roman world. Constantine I claimed to have had a vision of a cross above the sun, with the words "In this sign, you shall conquer" (Latin: In hoc signo vinces), at the Battle of Milvian Bridge in 312. His soldiers painted crosses upon their shields, and then defeated their foe, Maxentius.

With the growth of Christianity in the 5th century, the orb (in Latin scriptures orbis terrarum, the 'world of the lands', hence the word "orb") was topped with a cross (hence globus cruciger), symbolising the Christian God's dominion over the world. The emperor held the world in his hand, to show that he ruled it on God's behalf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation

The corona radiata, the "radiant crown" known best on the Statue of Liberty, and perhaps worn by the Helios that was the Colossus of Rhodes, was worn by Roman emperors as part of the cult of Sol Invictus, part of the imperial cult as it developed during the 3rd century. The origin of the crown is thus religious, comparable to the significance of a halo, marking the sacral nature of kingship, expressing that either the king is himself divine, or ruling by divine right.

Christianity helped build monarchy we love. It adapted and helped build its own form of absolutism. It begins with the Divine Right of Kings and coronation ceremony with oil. These symbols were adapted and sometimes already consisted with the Christian tradition even back then. I'm calling for mutual respect between all spiritual cultures to not shitsling for a bit and appreciate all origins of monarchical practice.

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 No.3605

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 No.3606

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Yes, I know Varg is controversial and sometimes I think he's sometimes biased towards favoring a non-monarchical government from time to time in favor of sheer tribalism. Yet I vaguely respect him and his insights.

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 No.3607

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In Leviathan, Hobbes refers to the state of the Leviathan's formation as close to that as a mortal god. In the pagan deistic absolutism, it is also resembling a kind of mortal god. And Christianity takes it as receiving power by the grace of God.

The classical Greco-Roman culture saw authorities as subject to laws, but those cultures also appreciated a kind of "leviathan" in absolutism. The imperial cult and godhood of Roman Emperors where these imperial monarchs became above the law because they were so powerful like Gods. Where monarchy meets with the classical world in peace, we find great men with great responsibility and power for their nations. We must remember that sovereignty is a combination of a people and their justice, and the sovereign is above the law in a certain aspect as the law-maker aka "leviathan" that people receive and thereby consent. And where does this separate from Hobbesian reformation of this thought? Well, providential and divine right of authority puts the sovereign as a legitimate authority likewise.

Before anyone criticizes this state of being "above the law", you need to realize that's the best you can hope for with government. Constitutions can't even stop the downside of governments. There are a few justifications for how a monarchy preserves civil liberty apart from liberty better than a republic, despite their crown as opposed to a constitution; because a crown is likewise a monarchy's own constitution. The King's divine right almost resembles everyone's divine right and a safeguard for property and civil peace as there is justice and authority.

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 No.3609

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 No.3672

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>>3604

Read up on monarchies from other cultures, especially China.

Paganism is dead, and unless you'd like to share some spooky /x/ stories, most neo-pagans get into it because they

>are degenerates and hate Christianity

or

>are influenced by their blood, and thus their pseudo-spiritualism is ultimately materialistic

or even both, as with nu/pol/acks.

>>3606

Varg has some wisdom because he thinks a lot, and I do agree with him sometimes, and this does not surprise me at all. Although he has some wisdom, this doesn't mean he is all wise, as many /pol/tards and alt-kikers seem to think, as they treat him as a father figure, as their own parents were likely failures, like many of us in the decadent West.

>>3607

>The King's divine right almost resembles everyone's divine right

>everyone's divine right

Also, culture's change dramatically over time. On a semi-related note, have you read Spengler by any chance?

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 No.3674

>>3672

>influenced by their blood

>Blood isn't the strongest connection any man can have with another

It's not a coincedence that the most disasterous societies are the least homogenous.

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 No.3689

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>>3672

>Read up on monarchies from other cultures, especially China.

If you could educate me on this subject, I'd be very happy tbqh.

>The King's divine right almost resembles everyone's divine right

>everyone's divine right

Okay, I said almost, and it resembles a man's right to his house and his right to justice and his right to his property. It isn't divine like libertarians/ancaps put it, but it isn't far from the concept of a right. Biblical constitutionalists and their concept of a right, imo, isn't much different or even opposed to the Divine Right of Kings. I think of King Charles I who secured the liberty of the land and died when a ruthless arbitrary government used brute force to kill him as sovereign and proclaim their justice.

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 No.3690

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What is authoritarian is benevolent for justice and peace. What is honorable and just secures rights and civil liberty.

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