No.8908 [Last50 Posts]
Insufficient Memory edition
old thread: >>7517
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No.8913
>>8908
all 5 of what i posted last thread are next to eachother in the bottom right corner.. lmao
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No.8915
>>8913
I tried to put people's own work clustered together, my only regret is that I wasn't smart like the op of last thread and make sure I made room for the text in advance. By the time I'd added the text there was like 40 layers and it was hard to move specific images around and I buried some people's stuff as a result.
JUST
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No.8916
>>8913
Plus I mean, look how well they fit together. I practically had to do it!
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No.8917
>>8915
I just downplay how recognizable my stuff is maybe. Also if you didnt know if you have the move tool selected, hold down CTRL, and move a layer, you automatically move the layer that you are clicking on (instead of trying to manually find it). I imagine you can hide the "draw thread" text layer and move stuff around that way.
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No.8918
>>8917
>if you have the move tool selected, hold down CTRL, and move a layer, you automatically move the layer that you are clicking on
holy shit
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No.8923
Still not yet done. Considering the weapon he is holding and the fact that I'm still not satisfied with the details in his armor.
And yes I am done with this one. I know the background is fucking shit. I will try to focus on background building in the future.
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No.8924
>>8908
>tfw you made it in the OP picture
the consecration
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No.8927
Damn, I love the kangaroo playing dead.
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No.8942
This time around , gentoo chan brought her friends into the scene.
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No.8944
>>8942
First one must be Sabayon chan. No idea about the other girl.
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No.8945
I think I might abandon this one. Something feels wrong but I cant figure it out.
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No.8946
>>8945
Robin's proportions, maybe? His head seems huge and his arms tiny.
>that red demon
Who is she?
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No.8947
>>8945
You've made Christopher's body really fucked up. He's got the torso of a malnourished adult man, the arms of a woman and a head way too large for his body.
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No.8948
>>8944
>No idea about the other girl.
Redcore chan
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No.8950
>>8947
How does this look?
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No.8951
>>8950
Much better, the main issue now is that he looks nothing like Christopher Robin.
My edit is shitty, I know, but I tried to make him look more like how Robin does in the books/show.
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No.8954
>>8942
The left one's hand looks backwards the way you have it roughed in there holding the case, and center gril's hands are noticeably different sizes.
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No.8955
>>8942
The face of the one on the left looks like a potato.
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No.8956
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No.8957
Page 81.
Just a heads up, I'm going on hiatus once all of chapter 4 goes up. Too much IRL shit caused me to fall behind.
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No.8962
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No.8963
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No.8964
>>8957
LEAVE IT ALONE!
leave that ostensibly innocent woodland creature alone…
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No.8965
>>8964
Game regularly devour, murder, and in general enjoy tormenting, the living.
You're doing your duty as a citizen, and patriot, by horribly slaughtering these bastards.
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No.8968
>>8965
the living, huh
something you trying to tell me wit dat?
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No.8978
>>8968
Am I? It could also just be because "human" isn't really apt, given we have living skeletons as a race, here.
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No.8979
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No.9051
>>8859
>>9039
This isn't a request thread.
Just because they wont draw it for you on /co/ and wherever the hell else, doesn't mean you need to come here and spam.
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No.9052
>>9051
You really shouldn't have drawn anything for him man, cute though lol
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No.9055
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No.9063
>>9052
Agreed. I drew that for me.
>>9055
Looks good. The highlights on the metal surfaces could be sharper. (specifically, the chain links)
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No.9067
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No.9083
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No.9085
>>9083
Jokes about the wildlife aside that last panel is among my favorite that I've seen so far. Keep it up.
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No.9095
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No.9111
I just wanted some drawings of my beloved waifu ;_;
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No.9113
>>9111
As wonderful of a waifu as she is I'm not moving my lazy ass for some dude online for free and no one else should, either-not here anyway. Please understand: if we allowed that kind of stuff on this board it would never stop. The place for requests is on /co/ etc.
This board exists so you can draw her yourself (after you get good in 37 years) and wouldn't that be so much more satisfying than begging people on the internet?
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No.9114
>>9113
>wouldn't that be so much more satisfying than begging people on the internet?
>Hey kid, what thing is best?: you being able to suck your own dick as a fag or a girl from the playboy magazine sucking your dick?
Time ago I did this.
Also:
To me ach delivery is like a virtual hug. And I am like an orphan kid who is starving for hugs.
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No.9119
>>9114
>comparing artwork which potentially takes hours to produce based on some anonymous person's flippant request to a "hug"
Come on now. Also that's not even half as bad as I'd thought it'd be; keep practicing fgt. One day you'll learn to suck your own DICK and BALLS so GODDAMN good you won't even think about asking anyone else to do it ever again.
Where's her damn ENORMOUS tits like in the request reference? I don't wanna suck on some little boy lookin'-ass tits ffs. I want to FEEL those JOOCY forms my dude.
Make her legs LONG enough to where her knees would come up to the top of her chest just below the clavicle (minimum) and her lower legs just shorter than that. Often in a cartoon pinup style it's common to have the legs almost as long as the rest of the entire body including a good portion of the head depending on how big the fucker is. Look at the artwork of some of your favorite artists as reference or check out twitter and scope some shit out for inspiration.
Her arms are long as FUCK in this picture. Remember the relationship between the WRISTS and the GOOCH.
You can do it, I believe in you.
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No.9121
Something I made using a new method of shading with marker. I am not too fond of it.
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No.9122
>>9121
If you lay down your strokes in tight groups pointing in the same direction it will probably look a lot better than going back and forth like that just for the record. Also what's with the lined paper nigga; go to the store and get like 500 sheets of printer paper for $10.
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No.9123
>>9122
>If you lay down your strokes in tight groups pointing in the same direction it will probably look a lot better than going back and forth like that just for the record.
Noted. I was trying to shade it with cross hatching, but hadn't commited to it completely, so it ended up looking like that.
> Also what's with the lined paper nigga; go to the store and get like 500 sheets of printer paper for $10.
I was doing this shit quick in school and didn't feel like getting my sketchbook or my other paper.
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No.9124
>>9123
>going to school
Oh get older already, geez. What's taking you so long?
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No.9126
>>9124
>Oh get older already, geez. What's taking you so long?
Time is rather slow anon, if you didn't know.
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No.9128
>>9126
Don't grow up, the modern world is not worth living in.
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No.9129
>>9126
>Time is rather slow anon, if you didn't know.
Not once you get older.
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No.9140
>>9119
>Where's her damn ENORMOUS tits like in the request reference?
The adult version was a traced drawing that I did, you know, for my lack of artistic talent. I just wanted a perfect body to my beloved waifu.
On the drawing where she is holding a revolver, she is a loli, therefore, she has a delicious loli flat chest. Pic related you can see more(bottom picture was a brief guide about sketching related to sack flours that a dude did for me) In this revolver drawing I only traced her head and the gun to the final line art. I fucking sucks.
Also:
Pic related is how people drawing, right? technically your sketch is your blue prints that tell you where fucks goes everything and after do a few changes, you can began to the linea art? I mean, technically you are tracing on your sketch? what's difference between tracing a real picture? I can't stop seeing all this in this way:
Your own sketch > Tracing your sketch = Final line art
A picture that shows EXACTLY that you want(actions, poses, etc) > Tracing that picture = Final line art
The pic:
https://i.imgur.com/BTTeHFf.jpg
I can't post the picture here because I geeting this error:
Cannot Extract file/s:
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No.9154
>>9140
>Pic related is how people drawing, right? technically your sketch is your blue prints that tell you where fucks goes everything and after do a few changes, you can began to the linea art? I mean, technically you are tracing on your sketch? what's difference between tracing a real picture? I can't stop seeing all this in this way
Tracing is seen by some to be a legitimate practice so it's whatever. I don't do it because I think it's boring more than anything and as an animator you aren't able to trace dick without it looking retarded (rotoscoping is SHIT). There's no such thing as the art police. Saying tracing is the same as drawing over your own sketch isn't true for pretty fuckin' obvious reasons but if that's what you want to tell yourself it's not like it's anybody else's business to say "you can't do that".
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No.9165
>>9154
>rotoscoping
C'mon. Bakshi's works is pretty awesome. I love it because is autistic accurate.
>I don't do it because I think it's boring more than anything and as an animator you aren't able to trace dick without it looking retarded
The end justifies the means.
As I said, I love the accurate things, therefore, I like the detailed drawings.
Isn't a lot hard find the references of exactly that you want on internet, and technically you can make a "Collage" of pictures to get exactly that you want: you can put the head of your waifu on a body 10/10 as I did(see pic related). Is autistic, but hey, the end justifies the means.
Also:
Walt disney didn't trace when he was making Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs?
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No.9166
>>9165
>Isn't a lot hard find the references of exactly that you want on internet, and technically you can make a "Collage" of pictures to get exactly that you want: you can put the head of your waifu on a body 10/10 as I did(see pic related). Is autistic, but hey, the end justifies the means.
I don't disagree, I was just sharing my opinion. I don't care for the most part but I'm just not really interested in it myself. I don't like having to look up images every time even if it leaves my end results somewhat less accurate.
>Walt disney didn't trace when he was making Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs?
Can't trace a dwarf, dude! Disney has always used footage for selective reference sure, maybe even tracing at times (though I doubt there was direct tracing going on in that film, look at the proportions of the characters vs the actors), but if all their lead artists could do was trace they'd have really been in trouble.
>Bakshi
From an animation standpoint I don't think it looks great but I'm glad his films exist at any rate. I remember Wizards being kind of cool but I'm sure at least part of that is nostalgia goggles.
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No.9167
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No.9170
>>9167
I know perfectly that this isn't a drawthread, but would you mind draw her totally naked, traped in a pillory having a nightstick into her anus and yelling: deeper! meanwhile she is doing a freaking lewd face?
Also:
Thank you very much for such nice drawing.
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No.9171
>>9166
> I don't like having to look up images every time even if it leaves my end results somewhat less accurate.
That's why I always save my shit(as a kind of digital warehouse): in a folder I haved saved all my references to guns, in other one all my references of women with sexy bodies, in other one poses, etc. And all is ordained according to my autistic taste.
> From an animation standpoint I don't think it looks great
I agree, but only on a few parts, because I fucking hate when he trace things that are wrong: for example on that webm that I posted, you can see germans using a fucking American tank and even an American AA gun. I mean, wtf Bakshi.
>I remember Wizards being kind of cool but I'm sure at least part of that is nostalgia goggles.
kek, second. Same shit happen to me with Cool World.
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No.9172
>>9170
I'm just doing this because I know someone will get mad at me for doing free shit.
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No.9176
>>9172
Not mad; just disappointed.
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No.9179
>>9172
I don't see why anybody would get mad, that's not exactly an overly fetishy request.
Requests are really rare here anyway.
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No.9181
>>9172
With these action lines and nightstick angle it looks like someone is pulling an oversized worm out of her butt.
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No.9183
>>9176
Whatever, nigga, I just hope the autistic boy is happy now.
>>9179
People can be really annoying about this shit and this pleases me.
>>9181
I'm pretty sure that's a fetish too.
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No.9185
>>9176
This is cute
>>9179
Requests are discouraged here only because of the context of the board, it's kind of expected that you get requests and participate on other boards if you want. Let me start by saying that it's not really a big deal, but I mean in this case, the requester has demonstrated that he's perfectly capable of delivering on his own requests too so it's perhaps even more absurd than usual. It's like if your roommate demanded you do the dishes, take out the trash and do the laundry for him because he's busy watching tv. Sure, he could do it himself and none of those things are particularly hard for either of you to do, but he's counting on someone being thirsty for (You)s and validation enough to do it on his behalf while he strokes his ding-dong and muses about what he's going to request next.
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No.9186
>>9185
> but he's counting on someone being thirsty for (You)s and validation enough to do it
Jesus fucking christ, I just wanted to be nice, not stroke my own ego.
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No.9187
>>9185
Deep down, aren't all artists thirsty for (You)s?
:^)
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No.9200
>>9186
Uh huh~…
>I'm just doing this because I know someone will get mad at me for doing free shit
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No.9204
>>9183
>Whatever, nigga, I just hope the autistic boy is happy now.
I wasn't being thuper therious there, nibba. :^)
I just thought we were going to bully him by drawing around his request and maybe teach him how to draw it 'imself.
You can draw all the free shit for people you want, it's not gonna bother me. If that's the part that pisses fuckers off, I encourage you to do more. It's the matter of this becoming a request thread, that non-drawfags flock to instead of staying on their own boards.
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No.9205
>>9185
>he requester has demonstrated that he's perfectly capable of delivering on his own requests too so it's perhaps even more absurd than usual, therefore, he has no right to requesting drawings anymore
>If you are totally able to walk there is no excuse to use a car, train, bike, etc or any other kind of vehicle, because has no sense since you are perfectly capable to use your legs
Very interesting your "reasoning".
>>9176
Would you mind explain to me that picture?
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No.9206
>>9172
Thanks desu. Is cute.
Also:
Would you like to piss off a bunch of guys :^) ?
>>9179
Me neither. I guess that only autistic people can get mad by a drawing.
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No.9207
>>9205
>unironically implying that the other people here are tools for your use exactly as you were criticized for doing as a "rebuttal" to the accusation
>"durr you're stupid"
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No.9209
>>9207
>Wanting to fool the nice people on this board with his bullshit as usual
Hey kid, you shouldn't be posting child pornography on other IB as a kind of autistic evidence against my persona as you did on hispanochan?
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No.9219
>>9206
>>9207
>>9209
This is full blown schizoposting, I don't have any idea what the fuck you guys are trying to say.
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No.9230
I drew a ripped brown elf lady cause I'm a lonely nerd. Enjoy?
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No.9231
>>9230
this would be infinitely better with some simple line width variation
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No.9232
>>9231
I've gotten that before from people on other drawings. Never remember to do it though.
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No.9234
>>9219
Translate:
Draw more of my waifu= People can be really annoying about this shit and that could make you very happy.
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No.9235
>>9219
Pretty simple conversation to follow:
>anon says don't be a tool drawing shit for free for people you don't know ( >>9185 )
>requester compares the people drawing for him to actual tools and frames it as if that's somehow a rebuttal to the post he's replying to because as we see in the post to follow, he's actually retarded ( >>9205 )
>requester then reveals his severe mental illness shamelessly by declaring that the person criticizing him must have followed him from some mexican imageboard to this place months ago to keep him from requesting drawn child porn of his elementary school kid vampire Twilight Sparkle cartoon waifu ( >>9209 )
Autism of his sort sure is fascinating, but it gets tiresome pretty quickly. I hope this thread isn't derailed much further by this nonsense. This is exactly the reason why people like this are told to piss off back to the padded room they crawled out of.
>>9230
lineweight fam
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No.9244
>>9235
Him bringing up some random shit on a Mexican imageboard is what blindsided me so much and made me call it schizoposting, the fact he even screenshot that in the first place is so bizarre.
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No.9245
>>9235
>>9244
Well that's what happens when you give in to requestfags. Though my biggest problem with them isn't that they request, it's that they're "greedy spoiled brats" being the only decent way to put it.
Not once have I ever seen a requestfag on par with him, request something once, and then fuck off when it gets delivered. No, they always come back for more.
And when you give in, that just feeds their complusion to ask for more, and derail threads with butthurt when someone doesn't deliver, or, god forbid, refuses to.
Bottom line is that requestfags shouldn't be on /loomis/, because /loomis/ has never been about that, especially the drawthreads. For fuck's sake, it's in the OP of each one, how it's a collage of all the OC posted in the threads.
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No.9255
So this is how sketch works, right?
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No.9256
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No.9267
Page 83
And with that, chapter 4 is over. Burning has been established, Max's job has been reaffirmed, a longterm goal of Max learning to Burn has been integrated, and the evening rolls in to wind down the action. Both in the comic, and in my own life.
I'm upset that I have to do this, but as of this page, EGWT is now officially on hiatus. There may or may not be updates in the coming weeks, but until I get done with classes, and in turn manage to get a job with a consistent schedule, I have no idea if I'll be able to finish a page, in the time I have in a week or not.
But I promise to keep working, in spite of this. Currently the first page of the interlude is done, with the second one being halfway done, and I've been working on my fundamentals in the meantime.
Thanks for continuing to read this.
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No.9270
Promo piece for my comic.
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No.9271
>>9267
>Thanks for continuing to read this.
No problem, we'll be here when you get back.
>>9270
Interesting how you've made something that looks both full of dimensional volume and flat/graphic in some ways at the same time. Keep it up.
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No.9276
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No.9282
>>9270
Personally I think you should change that background to a floor because it looks odd that he doesn't line up with it, but it looks really great.
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No.9296
I tried to go easier on the line density this time, but I'm heavy handed…. (yeah, I know. excuses)
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No.9297
>>9296
Now that's a tiny bit better than before. Have you tried fooling around with your tablet settings? You can adjust pressure sensitivities.
the reason it helps is because with line width variation, some parts of it will stand out better and appear more 3d than others. Here's an example of what I mean.
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No.9299
>>9297
"Have you tried fooling around with your tablet settings?"
Despite how obvious that seems, no actually. Will look into it.
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No.9300
Where I can find a good program capable of doing this kind of pattern that is not Paint black and white mode? Every goddamn time I try to do some black and white comics without this kind of pattern everything looks like shit.
I even downloaded manga studio thinking the it
would have a easy way of doing it but it was just waste of time.
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No.9301
>>9300
Never mind, guys, I just found it.
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No.9302
>>9301
what program did you find??
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No.9304
>>9302
PM'd the answer :^)
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No.9305
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No.9306
>>9302
Photoshop, I just downloaded some graphical ball patterns.I was thinking in something more like brushes,but what I really needed was to overlay the greytons with the right graphical patterns.
I'm still experimenting, doing some quick pages with it, so it's really far from being the most refined thing. But I like the difference it makes.
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No.9308
>>9282
>>9271
Thank you both for the feedback.
I can't change the background because I've already uploaded it everywhere and made a few small prints for comic patrons, for consistency's sake. However, thank you again for the suggestion!
Here's some more promo stuff, big hairy broody jew magic man.
Still a couple chapters away from a lot of the goetic stuff in the comic, but had little trickles of it here and there. I wish my actual comic looked as good as my promo stuff, but it'd kill me to redraw and color every page. Can only try to improve as I go along.
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No.9309
>>9306
>graphical ball patterns
For the future use for searching purposes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screentone
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No.9314
>>9309
Of course I knew it this was the name all along, I just like say balls too much.
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No.9319
Some wips I've done for the Towergirls thread
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No.9323
>>9319
>posting towergirls WIPs in the draw thread
What a grand idea.
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No.9325
>>9308
You could change it to post here, you wouldn't have to change it everywhere else.
What's with the Stars of David and Hebrew? It's the character Jewish?
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No.9326
>>9308
You could change it to post here, you wouldn't have to change it everywhere else.
What's with the Stars of David and Hebrew? Is the character Jewish?
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No.9327
>>9325
>>9326
>doublepost
>can't delete either because of how 8chan fucked up passwords
Damn it.
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No.9329
>>9319
I don't know what it is but like, despite the fact I think the big noses you draw are ugly on a technical level, your drawings have a certain appeal and charm to them. As you get to a more professional level I could see you working in kid's cartoons or something like that.
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No.9330
>>9329
(To get to that level though I might add, and this goes for most of the people here, personal style will have to be abandoned temporarily. You know how it is.)
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No.9331
>>9323
Im loving the idea of apothecary storage on their hats.
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No.9333
>>9329
>>>9330
>I don't know what it is but like, despite the fact I think the big noses you draw are ugly on a technical level, your drawings have a certain appeal and charm to them. As you get to a more professional level I could see you working in kid's cartoons or something like that.
That is rather encouraging since I plan on working in the cartoon or comic industries one day (despite how mediocre they both are at the moment) so thank you anon. As for the noses, I think can see why you wouldn't like them (They are too big, weird looking, and not that cute) and me drawing them is more of a habit and a method of creating facial variety due to the fact that I hate the one or two lines that make up the noses of anime characters. Hopefully, I find a way to draw much more appealing noses without resorting to the anime noses I dislike so much OR the big jew noses.
>(To get to that level though I might add, and this goes for most of the people here, personal style will have to be abandoned temporarily. You know how it is.)
I get what you are saying. About nine months ago, I had taken a free dual enrollment class at the local big art school in my city, and the first things my instructor taught us was that in order to become professional, personal style will have to be put on the wayside. It was a fundamental drawing class, so it helped me improve a little, but what I ultimately learned is that you need to be a bit flexible if you wanna survive as a pro artist.
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No.9334
>>9333
As a side note, whichis something I assume many here are already aware of, but learning how to draw realistically can give you a good basis for when you want to break the conventions of making art and create an art style that is actually appealing. After all, you can't truly break the rules if you don't know them.
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No.9335
>>9325
Yes, he's a Jewish warlock. In this context though, the Star of David is the Seal of Solomon. In medieval Jewish mysticism, this seal gave King Solomon the ability to control spirits and talk to animals.
It's used in Goetic magic to control and tame the spirits you summon.
The wand in the second picture is a wand of Solomon, which he pretty uses to smack around misbehaving demons and monsters. It has its practical uses.
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No.9340
>>9256
Can you understand how works that device?
I would like to draw this kid using it.
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No.9344
some generic cute girl and some experimental brushwork
>>9323
cute
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No.9350
Here's a drawing of my low level PVP character in dark souls.
her main damage comes from Bleed and criticals.
the face looks bad the anatomy's bad and the cloths are bad but I guess that's to be expected from my real first attempt.
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No.9359
>>9119
Look, I did this.
90% is traced, but I did it. Do you like it?
I have potential?
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No.9360
>>9350
Yeah it's pretty bad, but don't give up hope. You should start with simpler subjects and work your way up so when you do a more complex piece like this you can feel the forms intuitively. Also make sure to use your eyes to look for spatial relatioships between subjects. In your reference look how her head is overlapping a lot of her body. Her eyes are BELOW her shoulder line but in your drawing you have them through/above it for example. Those are the kinds of things you should always be thinking about.
>>9359
Conceptually it's pretty funny so I have to give you credit there. I feel like you could have put a little more effort into it though.
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No.9371
>>9360
what would simpler subjects be for you?
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No.9373
>>9360
I figure that drawing porn that caters to specific fetishes wouldn't need to be particularly good to get commissioned.
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No.9375
>>9371
Well you know, anatomy stuff, perspective, construction of simple forms, master studies of busts etc.
It might seem boring and shitty but doing that kind of stuff will inform your work for the rest of your life. (just don't ONLY do that for the rest of your life like it seems like I'm doing)
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No.9376
>>9373
Disregard that, I suck cocks.
Can't delete the post, but I meant to answer another in the Feels thread.
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No.9377
>>9376
Just so you know, while trying to access this board I was given definitive proof that 8chan keeps user posts long after they'd expired as many of us had suspected. My friend took a screenshot.
There was a short period of time where the board was displayed but it didn't work and was showing the board as it'd appeared october 22nd of 2016. Much like nu-4chan, this place is about as "anonymous" as Discord so you might want to keep whatever "specific fetishes" you have to yourself and draw normal stuff instead.
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No.9380
>>9377
Uh-oh. I can see my post from here. Damn.
Well, thanks for the head's up.
To be honest, I've long abandoned any prospect at staying anonymous, as I don't trust the internet to begin with. As I've already shared non-normal stuff online, I figure I'll play the degenerate yet confident artist card if it ever comes surfacing.
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No.9394
>>9360
>I feel like you could have put a little more effort into it though.
That's a work in progress. But tell me, it's ok the angle?
This is a kind of sketch, I just draw that line art to see how could be the final product. My proportions are ok?
Also:
Check this other one. This time the only that I did trace was the head and her face. What you think about her proportions?
She is lying on a bed. View angle: upper.
This can be considred as a sketch too.
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No.9397
>>9394
Why is the blood dripping/running down the broom if she's lying on a bed?
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No.9401
>>9375
do you have any good books on anatomy and a list of master studies of busts that you can recommend?
I've read Michael Hampton but that didn't exactly click with me.
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No.9406
>>9401
>books
Anatomy for the Artist is pretty good. Solid true-to-life drawings and a lot of information. I learned more anatomy minutiae in a couple days of tracing some of its contents than I had in years of dicking around. It's not perfect however, the real worthy drawings are only depicted at 4 angles (front, rear, and both sides) at most so there's no 3/4 and stuff like that, you'll have to study from other authors to get that kind of information.
There's also "Strength Training Anatomy" which shows muscles and bones in a wide variety of positions.
>busts
There are some busts in sketchfab you could check out, both in the practice thread and running a search on sketchfab itself wouldn't be a bad idea. One of the best resources around honestly.
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No.9415
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No.9422
>>9394
>goru
why must you do this to us
I have nothing against fetish art, but personally I'm of the opinion that you should ask elsewhere for help. Mostly because I doubt there are many people here who are experienced in drawing what you're into.
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No.9440
>>9397
Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that… a wizard did it.
>>9422
Check my post: I am just asking a bit of constructive criticism.
My proportions are good?
I am doing a good sketch? etc.
In this drawing I did use a "mirror" technique: I just did draw half of the drawing and then just copy, paste and I did invert the drawing to get a full drawing, in this way I was able to manipulate the size of her torso. After that I was able to change of pose her arms and legs.
Any hint to improve my shitty drawing skills?
Just ignore the "gore" stuff.
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No.9441
>>9440
>Any hint to improve my shitty drawing skills?
If you want to get good you have to practice, and if you want to practice you have to spend less time drawing little girls getting abused like a psychopath and instead take a more investigative approach to the human figure as a whole. Spend a little time each day drawing human figures from photograph.
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No.9446
>>9441
Drawing cute little girl getting violently abused is literally the sanest thing one can do.
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No.9447
>>9446
What's the least sane then?
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No.9448
>>9447
Mimicking the behavior of other individuals without questioning.
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No.9459
>>9441
>if you want to practice you have to spend less time drawing little girls getting abused like a psychopath and instead take a more investigative approach to the human figure as a whole
B-But the only reason why I beging to learn to drawing was to be able to draw little girls getting abused ;_;
I am a realistic person, therefore, I am not very interested to drawing like in a hyper realistic way like Norman Rockwell or Leonardo da Vinci. I only want draw porn of fictional little girls to touch myself.
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No.9469
>>9459
although you might want to draw fictional drawings of girls being abused, you have to understand that it's movement and limitations is based on reality.
you can continue to draw from imagination like you are now. or you can use a reference to base your drawings on.
so here's an exercise, take one of the ballerinas photo as an reference and draw you character doing that pose. then draw that pose again but from memory this time and you will see how bad your drawing is.
also post both of them.
and by doing this hopefully you will stop posting images of waifu abuse.
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No.9470
>>9469
>and by doing this hopefully you will stop posting images of waifu abuse.
This. Here's hoping his mommy walks in on him drawing this stuff one day and he gets the one way ticket to the mexican asylum he deserves.
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No.9473
>>9448
What if one mimics the behavior of individuals who draw cute little girls getting violently abused without questioning?
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No.9482
>>9469
>>9470
Why would you hope for something awful like that?
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No.9488
>>9482
stfu and just do the exercise.
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No.9504
>>9469
Well, I was thinking in just trace another lolicon drawings and then just attach the head of my waifu
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No.9516
>>9504
Never do that, that will lead you to awful habits and you won't be able to draw by yourself properly for years.
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No.9528
>>9516
But I want to touch myself now!
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No.9583
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No.9584
>>9583
>benis
What did he mean by this
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No.9598
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No.9600
Okay lads, help me out.
For the life of me I don't know how to draw this bit; hair spikes; and I can't figure out why…
Is it the ear location?
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No.9601
>>9600
Hang on I think I got it…
Did I?
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No.9604
>>9600
>>9601
Actually, think I "got it" better.
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No.9605
Hey, in regards to EGWT, I actually have two pages done, and I'm working on the third.
But I'm not sure how to release it, so I wanted to gauge what people want.
https://www.strawpoll.me/15929338
Thanks in advance.
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No.9613
what better than this. just guys bein dudes
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No.9614
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No.9616
>>9614
About as good as I can do at my shitter level-in my defense this is the first time I've ever drawn a figure to this extent. I have a handful of atelier cast drawing sessions under my belt that'd sort of taught me what to look for but other than that I'm completely inexperienced with drawing in this manner
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No.9617
>>9616
So you should bring back things from whatever cast drawings you've done. Hopefully you've been taught about value compression, so at this point when you do not have the value range to meet the impression, you're either going to have to give up on values and just do a line drawing or compress them properly so it doesn't just look like a low contrast drawing. Compress your shadows to one single value and work from there. In a scenario when you're using pencils, you're probably not going to get much more than a shadow shape, almost no halftones will be significant enough in this range to matter more than a few light indications.. This is the problem in your drawing. You've pushed in half-tones that do not match the key of the image. This makes it all muddy and undefined, often looking silvery where the highlights are over-emphasised.
Look at this drawing as an example: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/df/70/c2/df70c2546a9ac1a28fdf1401f9329c74.jpg
The values in the light shape are about the same as yours however their shadow value is super dark to be able to make room for those values. If the shadow shape wasn't that dark, we're basically saying that relatively the half tones in the skin are shadow-dark and they're not. If the shadow value in this drawing were to be lighter he would have to remove some of the values in the light shape in order to make the relative contrast work.
After you've done that, drawing will be much easier, your image will feel very solid and you can probably figure out a bunch on your own.
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No.9618
>>9617
Any recommendation on brand of charcoal? I'm using General's right now and it has this really unappealing, sticky or gritty feeling and I just can't seem to get the results I'd like to out of it. I'm only using a 2b because I can't really get what I want out of the charcoal I happen to have. Truth be told I could possibly push the values JUST a bit further with this one. Maybe I'll fill in the background more and blend the rest a bit with a tortillon. At this stage I think I'm too attached to the image itself and it's making it hard to progress for fear of 'ruining' what I already have so I'll definitely have to get over that.
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No.9621
The perspective grinding continues.
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No.9623
Drawing the same guy, in the same costume, 8 months apart. I continue to draw extremely slowly. Barely different… although one difference, I think, is that I vary pencil stroke width a bit more intelligently than what I used to. In the intervening 8 months I also tried drawing negative space a few times in the life drawing sessions and that helped me make fewer proportion/placement errors from then on.
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No.9624
>>9623
It looks like you're using mechanical pencil or something, I would think about using something else. There's no easy way to say this but it doesn't look like there's been much improvement if any-but that's okay. 8 months is not a lot of time. You have to experiment with different ways of doing things, different ways of thinking about things and using different tools, or you'll lock yourself in place for years. This is something I'm struggling with myself as well.
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No.9627
>>9617
I suppose I should be more strategic. As you more-or-less say, going for every value discrepancy I can see with a 2b pencil so incapably wielded doesn't seem to look very appealing in the final result. That guy leaves a ton of just literal empty space and it looks great. If it were me I'd have used the empty space as only the brightest of highlights and made him look like the silver surfer.
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No.9629
>>9618
For charcoal I use Nitram. Everyone I know uses Nitram. It's kinda like the standard if you want high quality vine charcoal that doesn't break and has both sharpness and range of value. I personally like it a lot but they're generally for full value drawings, but I've done tons of studies with them too. I use them generally with Roma paper for full on value drawings and just a canson paper for studies (line drawings as transfer drawings for paintings most of the time). If you want to see what these things preform like, google "academic cast drawing" or something like that, the ones with black backgrounds are almost always done with Nitram.
With charcoal, paper matters a lot. Roma is expensive as hell but preform beautifully. Canson is slippery, cheaper, but if you're just doing line drawings or two value sketches it's perfectly fine.
>>9627
Edelfelt did some good academic work, his drawings and paintings, at least at ecole de baux art, are very useful examples.
There's a way to make line drawings appear very very natural and that is understanding line quality to a deeper degree than just the "inking" approach.
Think about line drawing being all about contrast. Noticing high and low contrast and representing these relationships through line quality. So think like this, you look at a person lit in front of a dark background, the edges of light meeting the background are at a higher contrast than the shadows (light vs dark compared to dark vs dark). So with this in mind we draw the line of the edge meeting the background to represent the same contrast relationship we see. So in this scenario, the light contour will have a darker line and the shadow contour will be lighter.
On the other hand, if you're drawing a lit figure on a light background, the shadow side contour will be darker. If the background is a middle tone, your edges with half tones will fade into the background, meaning the contour line will fade to nothing.
With these primary relationships established we can start to vary the contrast within these lines, so as the form changes the value often changes along the edge, and you can find a ton of nuance in your drawing by just a single thin line changing slightly in value. You can basically get rid of everything else in the drawing if this is done well. You can also do the same with the shadow line, but you'll have to include what width and sharpness. So this is how you can represent something naturally without any values at all.
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No.9632
So can i post my previous stuff here?
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No.9639
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No.9642
>>9639
>you will never be Kevin and get summoned into the videogame world despite not being able to beat Kang Hippo
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No.9644
>>9639
Why not draw her smiling?
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No.9646
>>9644
Not him, but you have no idea how much princess whatever-her-name-is wanted Kevin's winger-dinger; that expression is wholly appropriate
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No.9648
>>9646
>that expression is wholly appropriate
>>9644
Smiling works, too, I guess. The implications are slightly different, though.
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No.9665
I really suck ass in semi-realism. It never look really good or the way I want, any good lead how to improve?
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No.9666
>>9665
Don't be afraid to zoom in and decrease your brush size etc.
Watch a lot of demos of artists you like on youtube, use ctrlpaint.com and whatnot.
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No.9686
After a long while of procrastination, I've gotten off my lazy ass and redrew/redesigned my original characters.
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No.9706
The pride of knowing how to kr0nprinz. I kid. This is a study that I did for fun.
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No.9711
>>9706
Isn't that guy still going under a different name?
It amazes me anybody can like an artist after they've been exposed as hacks.
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No.9718
>>9711
Ilya Kushinov. And yeah, he's still that popular.
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No.9728
I forgot to upload this update, here, too.
EGWT's currently on hiatus, but it's still being worked on each day. If you're interested in it enough to want to know more, you can find my twitter by checking any of the sites it's uploaded on, where I post daily updates of what I'm doing, and the progress I've made.
Currently, as of writing, we're about I'd say, 2.7 pages in to getting the buffer back up to 5, and slowly but surely I'm regaining my sanity and moving towards getting one done a week. I can't make any promises on if I'll attain weekly status, again, in the near future, but I can promise it's continually worked on and the main focus of my life, still.
Also the pixel art isn't mine. That's a commission from The KKM, or Papadripopoulos.
Thanks, see you again soon.
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No.9729
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No.9731
>>9728
Love that animation. Keep it up, I'm glad to hear you've still been at it even if you're not looking to release anything officially just yet
>>9729
>you will never blow a load in that chubby ching-chong's face with your best bro
Why even life
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No.9747
>spending days drawing shit with a mouse because you're a poorfag
carpal tunnel here i come
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No.9748
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No.9755
>>9729
I like your art style, is so realistic. Can you please draw this qt sitting on a horse dildo in the same pose that the girl on your drawings is posing?
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No.9756
>>9731
>you will never cuddle with a fluffy girl like mei after hours of sweaty sex
>>9755
thats a no from me dog
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No.9780
this is my third time trying to edit this to pin down the colors but for now i'll just post this small part
>>9748
i'm trying fam.
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No.9785
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No.9787
Human princess WIP for Tower Girls -thread. This time I won't color things before the lines are set properly in place.
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No.9809
Did some quick drawings of Indigostars asmr's characters Angela (skullgrill) and Jakkie (catgrill) cause Im a loser. Shits not great, but I had fun.
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No.9811
>>9809
>Shits not great, but I had fun.
<How dare you.
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No.9812
>>9809
>Shits not great, but I had fun.
Welcome to the artists' life; give or take the last part.
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No.9813
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No.9815
>>9755
You nigger are all over the site.
At least I know now to never touch your requests on /v/ seeing how thirsty and desperate of a faggot you are.
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No.9818
>>9815
>on /v/
Fuck, I knew this request looked familiar.
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No.9819
>>9818
He'll be dealt with if he continues to derail the thread
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No.9829
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No.9831
>>9829
Where's the guro version, Eggman?
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No.9840
Marty from LISA. I wanted it to look as if he was lit by a tv-screen, but I dont think the colors are as good as the lineart. Dont think ill spend more time on it.
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No.9845
>>9831
its on realwastedyouth on tumblr. but its nothign extravagant, just a hook through her gut and a bit of blood
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No.9847
>>9840
Not bad dude, I think you did a good job prtraying exactly what you wanted to. Maybe adding a bit of contrast would help, though?
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No.9848
>>9829
Something about her leg on our left seems off even though it might not be. Could just be a personal perception-like when someone posts a real picture of a person and someone may joke about their anatomy being off
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No.9849
>>9848
I think it's because the heel on her left leg is slightly above the bottom contour of her right leg despite one of the legs being fully extended and the other being retracted. I'm not sure though, maybe that's how it looks in the reference.
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No.9850
>>9848
you're not wrong. im absolutely horrid witj foreshortening
>>9849
a reference wasnt used for that area (prob shld have)
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No.9851
>>9850
It's all good. It's hard to tell when a mistake may have been made until well after the fact for just about anybody.
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No.9853
>>9847
Thanks, I ended up spending a bit more time on it just to make the shadows darker. I think this looks better, but I also think it shows off some inconsistencies in color choices more as well. Gave me some thoughts on what I can do better next time, so it was worth the time
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No.9869
>>9756
Thanks anyway. Peace.
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No.9878
>>9850
Foreshortening is one of the single most difficult subjects I can think of. No worries.
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No.9888
Figuring things out. In the meantime I have a few sloppy sketches I can post.
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No.9896
>>9888
what kind of brush did you use for fat sally
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No.9902
>>9896
just a regular circle brush, but set to have zero fade. A "binary brush" is what that's usually called, but you can turn anything to a binary brush if you set the fade to zero.
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No.9917
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No.9919
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No.9921
>>9917
>the Hipstler Youth cut
Not bad, at least you're not bald like me or have a man bun
>>9919
>Sally will never crush your skull into a fine paste between her ostrich-like thunder thighs or choke you to death with her voluminous biceps and brachialis muscles
I didn't ask for this feel
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No.9932
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No.9933
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No.9934
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No.9935
>>9933
My favorite piece from you so far. Showing improvement. Consider a more tapering line width for the cleavage.
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No.9936
Hire me, Netflix.
>>9932
>>9933
You're definitely improving. Nice.
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No.9937
>>9936
Can't wait for season 7
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No.9938
>>9934
holy shit lmfao im too slant eyed
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No.9939
>>9935
>>9936
Thank you both, its much appreciated.
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No.9940
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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No.9962
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No.9969
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No.9970
>>9962
A little stiff and static, but you'll get there.
>>9969
Good anatomy and strong pose
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No.9984
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No.9985
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No.9994
I Really don't know what i'm doing when shading with line art in mind, but at least screentone looks kind good.
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No.9997
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No.10000
>>9994
why so many penises though
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No.10001
>>10000
It's a methaphore about the futility of life anon, real art n' shit,
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No.10005
>>9994
Getting there, Still lacks something though. But I still thinks looks a lot better in black and white, this colors are fucking up my shading.
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No.10019
>>10005
I know it's a matter of taste but I think your style would be more appealing with a wider gap between the eyes. Nevertheless you did a really good job on the body.
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No.10020
>>10019
I'm trying something like in this first pic, but i'm not used to the proportions so maybe it looks kind messy, but I will try this idea in some drawings this week, I've been thinking in ways to improve my face so i'm testing everything.
I actually fix some things in this drawing, adding some changes;;.plus a few others drawings…
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No.10021
>>10020
Silly me, I forget one.
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No.10022
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No.10023
>>10022
OL' SPISE OL' SPISE BODDY BODDY POWERRRRR!!
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No.10026
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No.10028
>>10022
>>10026
Nice try, but your version seems to have AIDS. Maybe be more careful in the construction phase? I'm not the best in drawing from photos to really help in something more meaningful than this.
But your girls are very cute, they just need to have less clothing to please my taste tough.
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No.10030
>>10026
Oh yeah, that's Bob Sapp, my bad. Watch your angles. Note how in the reference his mouth doesn't come to a tapering point like it does in your recreation. Keep practicing!
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No.10033
Quick Sketch but I do need to fix the arm. Hmm.
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No.10034
>>10033
Very nice
>arm
Make sure you her eyes placed logically relative to the other features of the face too. Note the current angle between them and how it differs from the angle of the base of the nose and mouth etc.
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No.10046
sketch of a friend in the style of that princess mononoke still
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No.10049
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No.10077
>>10046
so doge
>>10049
cool stuff
>>10076
because you touch yourself @ nite
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No.10097
What a mess. Supposed to be a quick monochrome color on a cropped section; ended up experimenting.
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No.10099
>>10033
I really like this, it's a cute design, but as >>10034 said though one of the best ways to align the features though is to focus on the direction of the jawline. Her head looks tilted but her eyes are tilted in the opposite direction.
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No.10100
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No.10101
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No.10102
>>10101
>those butt shines
Is that a JoJo reference?
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No.10103
>>10102
nah, I just needed a way to show that the butt was shiny
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No.10117
>>10112
What's this about? Where's that cap from?
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No.10122
>>10117
Probably /ic/.
I'm not sure why somebody here would be posting there, but eh.
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No.10123
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>10111
>>10112
It wasn't enough that you were derailing threads with requests to draw that vampire girl or whatever, when you were banned you didn't make a post like this politely asking what was going on or make any attempt at an apology, instead you flooded a thread with links that claimed to contain actual child porn. Being that this was within hours of you having been banned there can be no doubt as to the origin of the spam.
To be honest, I don't like "loli" at all, but I can easily tell the difference between a drawing I find objectionable and the abuse of a real person.
Long story short, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here. Goodbye.
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No.10124
>>10123
It's that requestfag? I've seen him around /v/ and /co/ too. What a faggot, he should just learn how to draw.
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No.10125
>>10124
He could have, I admit I may have been a little harsh with a permanent ban right off the bat so I was at one point willing to hear him out, perhaps rescind his ban and tolerate him as long as he stopped asking people to draw shit for him whenever he was around, but that's not happening now. Considering he relies on tracing and what was supposedly posted earlier that makes the origin of some of his "references" truly disturbing.
There are as many ips out there as there are grains of sand in the desert so I'm sure we haven't seen the last of him one way or another, but if I see an ip that I suspect is him without a long post history he'll be dealt with again.
Considering people like this don't tend to take this sort of thing with good humor I am anticipating retaliatory action on his part. Make sure you use the global report function so that any posts containing dubious material are put in cold storage for the global mods and authorities to investigate later.
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No.10132
>>10123
>instead you flooded a thread with links that claimed to contain actual child porn
So that's what that was about same link was on /loli/ too
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No.10140
Page 84
"Zhongmeshi isn't a real word."
So yeah, back of hiatus, will be updating bi-weekly, due to my real life.
In regards to the page, now that I'm putting the "commentary" on the patreon's pages, I'll refrain from boring you all with the details, and just say "they're there" and you can find them if you want to.Though I will point out that I legit kind of want a hoodie like Papi's, here. I really like the design I came up for, for it.
Oh, and here's a sketch I did of some later idea I want to incorporate, and giving Max a sort of "psyched up on adrenaline" attitude.
Thanks for having faith I'd be back. And with you guys at least, I feel justified in telling you a small extra thing.
Come finishing the current WIP, I'm going to be doing something that'll let me speed up the workflow dramatically. So yeah, "stay tuned" and all that.
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No.10167
OPEN YOUR HEART
IT'S GONNA BE ALRIIIIIIIIGHT
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No.10184
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No.10185
>>10184
G-d I wish that were me
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No.10218
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No.10229
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No.10230
Some months back – in the old theme thread, if I remember correctly – I asked if this show was any good or if love for it was just spergery, and actually got an honest answer. But anon failed to tell me this little asshole was the best part of the show.
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No.10234
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>>10230
Get the h*ck out of the way Tuck, you sneaky little semite
I'm honestly pretty surprised you ended up watching it. Did you make it through the entire series?
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No.10235
>>10234
Oh, yeah, whole series. (It's only three short seasons heh) It was okay, had some fun points, and I don't feel like I wasted my time watching it.
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No.10239
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No.10255
>>10140
Page 85
And here we go. Can you tell what manga I read, that influenced this shot?
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No.10256
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No.10258
>>10239
Why, that doesn't look sfw at all you tricked me
>>10255
Teen Titans?
>>10256
>DUDE! WEED!
Tracing or drawing a photograph and color picking is fun and all but you're not going to get too far doing that alone. Treat it as a study, vary your lineweight if you use lines at all, look into lost edges, soft and hard transitions, values etc.
Keep working brü
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No.10263
>>10097
Looks stupid tbh, I don't get why you're mixing two opposing aesthetics. They don't work together at all.
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No.10265
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No.10268
>>10265
You don't want to see my work.
It's all weird porn.
He's a better artist than me, doesn't mean that adding a crappy VHS filter over a very modern looking drawing looks good.
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No.10269
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No.10271
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No.10272
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No.10275
>>10268
>You don't want to see my work.
>It's all weird porn.
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No.10276
i've finally got myself a new tablet , drew some shit and a man with a gigantic hand, he uses it to catch all the dead pigeons that drop head and eats them raw by the instant, he also uses said hand to do the hand thing
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No.10277
>>10276
I fucking love that expression 10/10
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No.10279
>>10276
wew forgot to post this furfag garbage i'm never bothering to finish
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No.10280
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No.10281
>>10276
What was your old tablet and what one did you get?
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No.10282
I'm getting more comfortable with drawing weird poses, in extreme perspective. Noticing a panel in an unreleased page looks a lot like something Imaishi drew, motivated me to try this out.
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No.10283
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No.10285
>>10281
Used the smallest, entry level intuos model from circa 2013, was my first tablet and recieved a good beating but it was too small in the long run, now i use a Huion H950P, great for the price but jesus fuck those drivers, had to re-install them a number of times until they worked. i thought i got chinked, but hey if you're a poorfag like me it's an improvement
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No.10287
>>10282
No offense man but I don't know what to tell you:
Even by ignoring that leg positioning, that pose is not really in perspective. I saw that it's kinda of a constant in your works, just making one limb really big, and another really small, but that's not how it always works. There are other things that peeves me in your works, but i don't understand if you want criticism or if you just want to show your work.
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No.10288
>>10287
Not him, but I would be interested to see your take on a similar pose. I think his "reads" okay as a fisheye style perspective even if it isn't academically accurate per se. I think the simplicity of the design works in favor of something like this-but perspective and foreshortening are among the most difficult individual subjects in the field; I do think most of us are going to be throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks for some time to come as far as that goes so anyone should be open to suggestions.
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No.10289
>>10288
Fisheye perspective? than it's completely off,it doesn't read as a fisheye. And as i prefaced, the fact that it's not academically correct has nothing to do with it. I'd say the opposite, since it's just a simple scribble and you're using so few lines, the errors sticks out much more. If you're going with "yeah but it's my style" than we can end it here and i'll shut up, since there's noting anyone can say that is going to be accepted. Perspective it's not a "style" it's perspective.
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No.10291
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No.10292
>>10289
>muh style
I didn't draw it tho.
I'm not sure if that came across as snarky or whatever but I was being sincere-I'm really not sure how anon could improve that piece and I'm interested to know. I think for fun I'm going to try it and see what happens but I'm not too optimistic. I'll probably have to draw it from profile a few times first to try and plan it out and help me rotate it
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No.10293
Fuck me; speaking of thick I made his legs and butt 2 joocy fml
https://youtu.be/9UMhKEP7DcI
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No.10294
>>10292
That "you" wasn't meant to be personal. It's a you referred to anyone who's reading the thread and wanted to partecipate in the discussion.
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No.10295
>>10294
D-does that include little ol' me?
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No.10296
I posted >>4915 a bit more than a year ago. We can all make it my dudes.
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No.10297
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No.10298
>>10296
Push your darks more
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No.10299
>>10298
Pushing darks is scary lmoa
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No.10300
>>10299
It's always scary trying new things, but you can do it bubby
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No.10305
>>10299
You could just shove them gently at first.
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No.10306
>>10305
You can't even look darks in the face without them getting agitated, I don't think that's going to work either
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No.10315
Rate my gentoo girls, I'm not used to cell shading and the work is still not finish. Its gonna take awhile to be honest.
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No.10318
>>10287
I do want criticism, yes.
But with that being said, I figured the backgrounds in my comic would have tipped you off to the fact that I'm deliberately just warping symbol drawing. Think what you will, but the "flatness" is indeed deliberate on my part. I can explain why I've chosen that, too, if you want.
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No.10319
>>10315
The shading isn't necessarily the problem here but may be tangentially related to it. For example I think the purple girl's hair is fairly well done from a pure "shading" perspective. However the figures themselves lack dimension which is both a line and shading problem. It's like their limbs are just being stuck to the canvas with little relation to one another or the body to which they're attached-like skin colored silhouettes. Don't fret though, dimension and form are things that will come with practice. Just make sure you practice them to begin with.
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No.10320
>>10315
11/10
I bet those girls could install Gentoo in the blink of an eye.
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No.10321
>>10318
That's not the drawing i was analizyng, but besides that, why would you want to do something deliberately bad?
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No.10322
>>10272
that's just an establishing shot, why would anyone think about that page in particular?
>>10318
>I'm getting comfortable in extreme perspective
>I'm deliberately just warping symbol drawing
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No.10323
>>10287
>but i don't understand if you want criticism or if you just want to show your work.
I think both options are neat. It's motivating to see people post their work, especially over such a long period of time, and people should do it more often.
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No.10324
In fairness we can think about artists like Stephen Silver, Mike Mignola or Chris Battle who probably don't even know what perspective is lol. I wouldn't say their work is "deliberately bad", you could argue that it's not coming from a position of perfect information but perhaps anecdotally it would lose something in the process if it did (not necessarily saying anon's work wouldn't benefit from a more informed approach with perspective for the record). I doubt anon fully understands the rules of perspective to a rigid degree like the absolute madlads Alex Ross or Moebius if he does have even more than a cursory understanding of one, two and/or three point, but I guess what I'm asking though is how he could improve that pose you're talking about and others using perspective because I don't know either.
Like I said, realistic foreshortening of organic forms is "real nigga" shit but something like what anon did looks kind of cool to me too-I just want to know how he could make something like that "right" if that makes sense. That's just my request as a third party to the discussion I suppose, I'm just trying to move it along because at the moment it seems destined to get stuck in a relatively unproductive semantic loop otherwise.
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No.10326
>>10324
If you want to draw like Stephen Silver or Chris Battle then sure, go ahead, but at that point there's nothing much to talk about. You can brush off almost anything, since it will boil down to just personal preference, but you need to keep in mind that those styles are more suited for animations. When they're "still" you need to make them easily readable. In yours you either lost the line of action, or you didn't follow it correctly. The eyes gets lost and the flow stops. You either redraw it trying to follow it without distractions, or if you really don't want to change the pose, i'd say at least correct the legs. His right leg is the closest to the camera, but it's being pushed way back. His left one, the farthest, not only it's really close in perspective, but faces outside, ends with the foot facing forward again, almost overarching the right one. Leaving it like this, it looks like he tripped.
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No.10330
>>10321
The short answer is because I suck at construction drawing, and don't have the time to properly use it in the comic. Sketching an individual panel would easily go from 5 minutes at the most, to twenty-thirty minutes per panel, easily. And in turn, I've done what I can to make it interesting, using things that only work when the characters are literally flat, like the shape of Burning, and their hair.
And whether you care to hear it or not, drawing something standalone like that is a rarity for me, and when I do so they're entirely "for fun." So by proxy, I default to what I know already, which is symbol drawing.
That being said
>>10322
>>10326
Honestly I don't know what you (or "you guys" if you're more than one Anon) expect from me. Given I'm aware of my flaws, and taking steps to correct them. Like I said in this post, though, I don't have the time and energy to be grinding out nothing but the basics, even though I know I need it. But despite that, just go look at the practice thread, I'm the one taking photos of the big pads of newsprint. You'll see I am indeed practicing what I've been criticized for, in this thread.
Also I reposted the background of that page's first panel, because I wanted to show to back up what I'm saying now. I do actually understand perspective, but my brain shits itself when it comes to constructing figures, and not inorganic forms, so I've spent my time sketching the comic, learning how to cut corners, while at the same time "lie" effectively enough that the characters don't ever break the perspective of the background.
If that's not enough, I'm not the only one to think about this property. As >>10324 pointed out,aggressive manipulation of size of parts of a figure, can still convey depth and perspective, and ultimately the drawing still remains cohesive, despite the numerous flaws and faults in it.
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No.10339
I tried paying more attention to the perspective of this, during the process.
Second one was done by a friend, since he wanted to see how it'd look if it was actually blocked in.
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No.10340
>>10324
>Stephen Silver, Mike Mignola or Chris Battle who probably don't even know what perspective is lol
Uh oh…
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No.10349
tummies are too fun to render
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No.10355
>>10349
Maybe you should look into ways of having less fun. Draw things you find morally unacceptable for people you don't like, or in a deliberately ugly style that doesn't display any talent or appeal.
Most artists don't have this problem of too much fun, aside from maybe a few beginners.
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No.10356
>>10340
With regards to Stephen Silver, posting life drawn figures and portraits as your best examples of him having an authoritative command of perspective isn't really an argument-no one's saying he isn't good at what he does. Kind of a tangent (though a topical one) but he's said on the record that he actively avoided studying anatomy because he found thinking about it too much caused his figures to become more stiff than he likes. Good point about Chris Battle though, he really is better than I give him credit for. I think Butch Hartman and that generation of "Genndy Tartakovsky" artists is more what I was thinking about and rightly or wrongly lumped him in with them
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No.10358
>>10339
One thing you could consider doing is getting/staying wild with organic forms while making inorganic forms (like that can of spraypaint) follow the rules of perspective more rigidly.
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No.10359
>>10349
Well done. I'm looking forward to seeing you push a rendering further. You've been doing a lot of fast and loose color and value studies (you might say, the gesture of the fineart world ;3); I want to see how thick, solid and tight you can get.
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No.10363
>>10356
>no one's saying he isn't good at what he does
And I just quoted you saying that they don't even know what perspective is. They're industry veterans with decades of experience under their belt, it's more of a leap to say they don't know how to do it. You keep making excuses for your bad art. Stop it.
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No.10365
>>10363
I wouldn't say that his art is necessarily bad but more like, bad attitude? i keep an eye for this thread, the weekly theme and the practice one, and it seems you like to pat yourself on the back a lot, but when someone reprimands you, you have difficult accepting it.
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No.10367
>>10358
There's potential for good contrast there, so I'll have to consider this and experiment with it some. Thanks.
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No.10374
>>10363
>And I just quoted you saying that they don't even know what perspective is.
That was quite obviously hyperbole-but my point still stands. What Stephen Silver is is a highly skilled character designer and caricature artist and no one would question his abilities there. However, I don't think I've ever seen him draw anything remotely perspective heavy and if you doubt that then look for yourself (https://www.silvertoons.com/portfolio). Many career artists are "specialists" and they are more competent in one area than another-and that's okay.
The pictures you posted by Chris Battle are nice too, but as appealing as they are they're also not "real perspective". They are orthographic; there are no consistent vanishing points to be found in either of those images and they are riddled with proportional inconsistencies besides. While they are certainly skillfully done, conceptually they have more in common with what anon has done than anything by Scott Robertson or someone like that-despite the appearance of form through an orthographic "cheat".
Does it matter that much? Not really, they still look pretty rad-and kids love his stuff. That's one moral of the story, the other is that yes, perspective is a good thing to have a strong command of regardless, don't come away from this discussion thinking you are "wrong". That should never be the goal of these kinds of discussions to begin with.
I'm not trying to excuse anon's work one way or another either, rather I would like to see that pose explored from a more informed perspective on uh…perspective, like I'd asked back here >>10289. A fat lady in a neutral position with her hands behind her back facing away from the viewer is nice and all but it doesn't really help anybody come closer to realizing a dynamic pose of any sort that respects the rules of perspective better. That's why I called this a semantic argument at this point.
Anon said he was doing perspective of some sort, and you said he was wrong-the rest of the time has been us all "well acktually"ing each other to death, in which I've obviously been a major offender myself. I just wanted to see a redline bruh!
>You keep making excuses for your bad art. Stop it.
I'm not him tho, my excuses for my bad art are buried in other threads.
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No.10376
>>10374
Also let me stress that the reason I would like to see that pose or a pose like that explored is because I want to see how to use multiple vanishing points correctly.
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No.10403
Haven't posted in a long time.
Been busy with school and all sorts of fun stuff. Tried experimenting with both dip pens and refillable ones, but whenever they explode on me or clog mid-inking it really puts a damper on my motivation.
If ya want updates whenever I get around to actually finishing stuff go here: https://dunkleshreken.tumblr.com/
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No.10410
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No.10418
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No.10430
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No.10446
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