c91cc6 No.688139
What standards of fitness and training are necessary to make an effective soldier?
Which nation's training program best exemplifies these standards?
How would you design a program to make the most out of modern day recruits?
What would you recommend a lone /k/ommando do in order to ensure he's physically and mentally fit?
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3ed7a4 No.688146
>>688139
Ideally, the spartan system. Start in infancy by sorting out all the deficient ones. Then proceed to give the kid no love and replace that with training and sadism instead, like a decade-long boot camp. Those that do best get less whippings (still some though). Make sure you don't feed them enough, those that can't forage from the civilian population deserve death, and so do those that can't protect their forage from the other boys. Once a year, there's a week where you get fed nothing at all, but are also expected to end up with the skull of an enemy at the end of it. (a population of foreign thralls would be ideal for this, but people are so uptight about slavery nowadays)
School is mainly gym, training with a wide array of weaponry, and lessons on the glory of the country and the inherent wickedness of all foreign influence.
Graduation is a week in the woods in the winter where they get sent in naked with no equipment.
Sadly, people these days are too gay for such a system.
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2be865 No.688167
>>688146
So ya' like ancient Greek history do ya'?!
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852212 No.688168
>>688146
Wasn't that mostly a meme? i don't think spartans were nearly as good as people think they were
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3ed7a4 No.688174
>>688168
Don't discount being trained to kill from childhood. People tend to panic in battles, or hesitate when it comes to killing. If you teach a child that battle/pain is the normal state of things and that killing is great, you're gonna end up with a superior soldiers.
The rest was just the Spartans being actual professional soldiers while the rest of Greece was weekend warriors at best. Everyone else only trained occasionally and had civilian jobs. Spartans didn't.
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ab0c1d No.688179
>>688146
>Sadly, people these days are too gay for such a system.
<Spartans routinely practiced homosexuality to strengthen the bond between warriors.
lul
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9d22f1 No.688181
>>688139
As far as physical fitness goes, the standards we had before the feminists got involved were perfectly adequate. This includes a ban on women, obviously.
Everything else is just a matter of preparing people early on so that they're already halfway trained by the time they enlist. This means teaching every young boy basic firearms handling and survival skills, encouraging them to actually go out and shoot shit innawoods on their own time so they don't completely forget those skills inside of a year, and bringing back public executions for leftists so that people get desensitized to the sight of death.
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be9767 No.688191
>>688179
Source: my white jewish history professor
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852212 No.688195
>>688174
Sure, but was their performance actually that good? Spartans lost battles and wars and ultimately got conquered.
>>688191
>everything that doesn't agree with me is a jewish lie
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f15e2e No.688196
>>688139
Look up Friedrich Ludwig Jahn and his book "A Treatise on Gymnastics"(in German called "Die Deutsche Turnkunst"), he was a German teacher during the time of the Napoleonic Wars and the period afterwards and his work on Gymnastics are basically centered around teaching the German youth all the necessary abilities to be fit for war. Later during the time of the German Empire they expanded on it and created Wehrturnen, which in a nutshell was the Infantry training of the time turned into a Sport for men. After WW1 Wehrturnen changed into Wehrsport and became a huge social movement in German speaking countires, as it was a way for the German Veterans to train for war despite the Treaty of Versailles. Naturally it was strongly promoted during the Nazi time and got a bad reputation because of it, however despite of it Wehrsport groups still existed until the 1980s when a Nazi Hysteria wave caused by Leftists lead to many of them being banned.
Meanwhile on the Official side the German Federal Republic joined the Conseil International du Sport Militaire(CISM) during the 1950s and soldiers and reservist of the Bundeswehr have the option of taking part in Military Pentathlon and Naval pentathlon, which is basically the same thing as Wehrsport just with the Cold War in mind. There are regular World Military Championships for these types of sports.
Alternatively look up Free Running/Parkour, which has its origin in the French equivalent(Georges Hébert and his book "Méthode Naturelle") of German Gymnastics and French escape techniques from the Indochina war in the 1960s.
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664052 No.688213
>>688195
>I believe everything my history professor told me because my history professor believed everything he was told by his history professor
>actually reading historical documents?
>what are you a retard?
>my history textbook doesn't contain any biases whatsoever because my history professor told me so, why would I need to do my own research?
you deserve to have your weapons pried for your cold dead retarded hands
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852212 No.688227
>>688213
What a non sequitor.
In any case, why don't you use all your knowledge to illustrate why >>688179 is wrong, instead of just going for the "it was da joos" line.
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621e2a No.688229
>>688227
>>da joos
>lol I deliberately mispelled it you lose
>ignores how my post didn't mention kikes at all
Why should I waste my time explaining anything to some retarded shitposting faggot that clearly has no interest in what he's trying to derail a thread over?
I hope the feds take a waco style picture next to your body after they push your shit in.
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852212 No.688241
>>688229
>it was da joos
it's in reference to >>688191 you dumb fuck yeah id's are different, i just assumed
No you shouldn't bother explaining anything, it's safe to assume you're braindead
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377f09 No.688243
>>688139
fuck that europoor garbage. The Army's new ACFT is actually a decent measure of your physical capabilities as a soldier. if you score below a 500 you suck and are gay.
Dave Grossman's "On Killing"
Arnold Schwarzenegger's "The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding"
two good reads for soldiering. i have to commend the us army's infantry school honestly. using that as the skeleton for training and fleshing it out with certain training from socom selections would actually make a competent soldier I think. but the costs may make it hard to replicate on small scales.
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3dee8f No.688248
>>688241
>makes retarded assumptions and parrots disproven bullshit
>accuses others of being braindead
I bet you're a sodomite too.
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28f578 No.688265
>>688229
>I hope the feds take a waco style picture next to your body after they push your shit in.
Poor attempt at intimidation, Moishe.
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28f578 No.688266
>>688227
>why don't you use all your knowledge to illustrate why >>688179 is wrong
Not the same anon but it's common sense that kikes are both in control of academic discourse and the fact that they try to use that influence to distort everything with projections of moral degeneracy. I am not particular on the subject but it would not shock me if I've read the original untranslated script (which I can) and don't find anything aligning with modern Academia's claims of homosexuality in ancient Greece.
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28f578 No.688268
Did we just revert back to the backup?
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852212 No.688276
>>688248
All i'm doing is asking for a deeper explanation than da joos, not saying it isn't da joos, because it tends to be them, but because i'd like to know more.
Check >>688266 for example, he's going in the right direction.
But asking for a discussion that goes beyond da joos is for sodomites i guess.
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1f04f9 No.688321
>>688243
>Dave Grossman's "On Killing"
>making up bullshit about how people didn't kill each other in the ancient times
>"english longbow is a better weapon than 18th century firearms"
>completely ignoring certain aspects like the entertainment status of execution in medieval period
>quoting FUCKING FEMINIST that "male domination is unnatural"
This book is infuriating to read. It's borderline mental masturbation supported by bias and selective proof.
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080878 No.688323
>>688243
Adding to what >>688321 said
>Arnie's Bodybuilding guide
>anything to do with soldiering
Are you legally, legitimately retarded?
Bodybuilding has so little in common with what a soldier does, it's laughable.
Yes, you have to lift stuff and be strong, but most importantly, you need endurance, and endurance is the antithesis of bodybuilding.
If you need a protein intake of an entire chicken a day just so you don't lose your gains, it's unsustainable in a combat environment, where food is often the least of your concerns.
No walking Belgian Blue could be a good soldier, chiefly because they'd tire out so goddamn quickly. Let's also not forget the fact all these muscles put strain on the heart, so these guys would probably all stroke out within a week.
In conclusion, you are an armchair kommando who lives from chair to chair and knows nothing about good physique.
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b0b7ed No.688324
>>688323
And adding to that, bodybuilders are showmen. They do not develop muscles for strength, they develop them for looks and spend massive amounts of time on muscles that are normally never used because they help balance out their looks. There's even bodybuilders that can barely climb a set of stairs.
If you want pure strength for some reason, look at strongmen training instead. Still not ideal for a soldiers, but at least it's functional musclemass.
Some of the old timey strongmen look a lot more like they'd be good soldiers though. A lot less extreme bodytypes, but you wouldn't want to copy their training because nutritional/sports science has made gigantic strides in the last 100 years.
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377f09 No.688326
>>688321
I was really only interested in what he had to say about modern society's conditioning. there was a post on /pol/ immediately following NZ that was very detailed. It was much more educational. went over Russian special forces training and exposing and building a tolerance to the gore by leading them into a basement full of slaughtered pigs. cant find the cap for the life of me.
>>688323
>>688324
you certaintly have your point. im not suggesting that every soldier become massive. i just brought it up as it would influence physical exercise plans. i believe much of the modern US pt plans lack genuine progression or strength development. i find that the legs, shoulders, and forearms are often overlooked but extremely nescesary muscle groups for training. i like that the acft targets them specifically. The minimums are also much lower than they should be so that women can actually pass and the maximum is far too achievable. I would also recommend replacing the 2 mile run with 500 yards of 3-5 second rushes in full kit for time.
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be9767 No.688327
What's the ideal training schedule for developing peak stamina?
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c0b07a No.688344
>>688327
Just go for a jog or a swim for like an hour a day anon.
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9458c1 No.688521
>>688327
If what >>688344 anon suggests is not suitable for you or you want more, try jump rope and high-rep free weight exercises.
Speaking of free weights, I found kettlebell exercises to be the most taxing on my stamina. Wouldn't recommend doing kettlebell exercises without a coach, though, because it's easy to do them incorrectly, which in turn, obviously, makes the training less effective while also adding a risk of injury. Also they are very different barbell or dumbbell exercises, you have to quickly use your entire body for most motions. You'd think it would be considered "cheating" (it would be for most exercises for other free weights), but that's how it is done correctly. Doesn't make it any easier, though.
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d2b035 No.688540
It all boils down to what type of wood you use, really.
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c91cc6 No.688547
>>688546
Normally I'd tell you to fuck of to >>>/test/ but we don't have it anymore.
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278a1d No.688589
>>688174
yep. just look at somalians ans muslims in general. niggers too
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000000 No.688618
>>688139
>What would you recommend a lone /k/ommando do in order to ensure he's physically and mentally fit?
The Century workout:
40 Squats
30 Push-ups
20 Hanging Knee Raises
10 Pull-ups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NhFgHatUjo
https://archive.is/YsrTK
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6f29cf No.688625
>>688621
Is that Ben Shapiro?
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132c31 No.688637
>>688621
By the time the Romans came around, Sparta had already been irrelevant for quite some time. Their demise came from a Greek city state called Thebes.
Two really exceptional people(Pelopidas and Epaminondas) were born in Thebes around the same time, and propelled it to a level of power it had never seen before, or would see since. They formed a group of 300 professional hoplites called the Sacred Band who kicked Sparta's ass so hard that the Spartans would sulk in their little corner of the Peloponnese until they stopped existing.
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a36915 No.690021
>>688618
That's not even close to being realistic.
Try 500 push ups and situps
Pull ups to failure.Followed up with a mile sprint
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