d51dbb No.686829
I rarely see /k/ discussing collapsible batons.
Why's that ? I know a few bouncers use them as a toolf of disuasion and urgency.
Did you ever use one as part of your job / self defence ? Would you recommend ? If so, what brand or length ?
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d51dbb No.686831
>>686829
Also thought about a Volchatka, a leather whip with lead pellets in it that cossacks used to smash wolf skulls
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c8c46c No.686834
The Surge has given me new love for staff/quarter-staff weapon.
Pic related is a collapsible staff, I wonder how practical is this idea in real life.
A metal cane that can collapse into a staff would be amazing melee weapon.
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890632 No.686836
South African sjambok to beat kaffs.
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d51dbb No.686837
>>686836
Fuck that looks cool
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4094b4 No.686839
I'm pretty sure those are illegal to carry in Europe. At this point you might as well use a sword or dagger and roleplay as a modern knight/assassin. Man, I miss daggers.
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3435f6 No.686840
>>686839
Just use a stiletto, if the police ask why you’re carrying a blade call them transphobic for shaming your choice in women’s shoes and then you can legally carry them.
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d51dbb No.686841
>>686839
Everything is illegal to carry in Europe, ffs. The thing is, most of the time you'll go alone and won't meet cops that'll want to pat you down. But you will be harassed by niggers who want your phone / wallet.
Better use a high impact baton to hurt than possibly kill someone with a knife.
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5ba862 No.686842
>>686841
Any bladed weapon is legal to carry in Austria as long as you're over 18.
Yes, you can go shopping with a Zweihander on your back.
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34d131 No.686843
Use a Cossack whip, nahaika. Fags laughing at it deserve to be struck with it.
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d51dbb No.686844
>>686842
Okay that's actually pretty great not gonna lie.
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c8c46c No.686845
>>686842
Fuck, that's cool.
But what a mace or a staff?
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4094b4 No.686846
>>686841
I've been stopped by cops a few times in my life, while I was just walking and minding my own business. Never been harrassed by a nigger. My dad gets stopped by cops almost every night when he comes home from work, and sometimes randomly when he travels to other cities. One of my uncles was almost killed by a crazy cop. Moral of the story: cops are a lot more dangerous than niggers, and you're not even allowed to defend yourself against them.
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9452b1 No.686847
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4094b4 No.686849
>>686847
Are you retarded? Anyway, filtered.
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34d131 No.686850
>>686847
>being against zogbots is leftypol
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c07b02 No.686851
>>686849
You’ve got to remember he’s from France. Niggers probably are a bigger problem than cops there.
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4094b4 No.686853
>>686851
If he's from Paris, yeah maybe. But I think, as a man, I'd still rather have to worry about niggers than cops. I could punch a nigger and probably nothing would happen, because he wouldn't report it, and if he did, I could claim self-defense. But if you just look at a cop the wrong way, or say the wrong thing, you can end up getting arrested and the whole State will be against you.
My point was, although there's been an increase in the population of niggers around here in the past few years, it doesn't affect my security yet. Even my mom can go out alone and I'm not worried something will happen to her. But last time my parents went on a trip to the countryside, they weren't sure whether they should carry a small pocket knife, because 'what if we get stopped by cops…'
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c8c46c No.686856
>>686853
So what's your experience with cops?
Do they make troubles for you if they found a pocket knife on you?
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1d288d No.686859
>>686829
Just don't buy the cheap ones.
I had to use mine once on local low life and if pretty much fell to pieces. Had to finish the shit with my hands.
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24a155 No.686869
>>686853
>My point was, although there's been an increase in the population of niggers around here in the past few years, it doesn't affect my security yet.
Wrong, very wrong and a stupid mentality only a naive and comfortable european can hold.
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8fdf3f No.686890
>>686853
Where are you from, fellow pastanigger?
Because here, especially in the countryside, you won't get in too much trouble for carring a knife that's shorter than the width of your 4 fingers.
Normally you won't have anything seized or get charged for abusive carry of cold weapon.
>My dad gets stopped by cops almost every night when he comes home from work
On foot? In road blocks they never pat you down.
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6b579b No.686901
>>686853
>My point was, although there's been an increase in the population of niggers around here in the past few years, it doesn't affect my security yet
All it takes is one family of them to start shitting up an area by robbing/raping/killing the locals.
Do not EVER relax around blacks, that phrase is not some ironic joke.
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5ba862 No.686911
>>686853
Let's be open here: Is your family involved in the mafia?
Because I've been to Italy a fair few times, both north and south, even for longer stretches of time, and I haven't had any negative experience with the cops there. Niggers and gypsies on the other hand, every single time.
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d51dbb No.687041
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d51dbb No.687042
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a74f1c No.687055
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Shit, I was just asked about maybe doing a seminar on expandable batons but in my research I find myself less and less in favor of them as a self defense option.
This dude actually brings up some of the points I was finding from looking at data, case study, etc as well as links a playlist of them not being all that effective as a compliance weapon. I have worked with normal sticks and weighted batons personally but rather then just assume expandable ones were exactly the same in use I actually did some research. I am really glad I did.
Embedded is the video I talked about.
Below is the playlist linked.
https://invidio.us/playlist?list=PLHzzC4jJ1EZdeUuTZxN9c3IICId-R3PY4
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d51dbb No.687267
>>687055
What would you recommendc?
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f36907 No.687287
>>686829
Why's that?
Police all around the world since the 18th century used to carry real Batons as a "non-lethal" weapon. "Non lethal" because you just used it for beating a criminal up and not stabing/slashing him to death.
Then the bleeding hearts for criminals movement and political correctness started and suddenly it became a huge issue if police accidentally beat a criminal to death.
So they started to gimp batons as a weapon and gave them official political correct names in many forces.
At the end of this development stands currently the collapsible baton(after the tonfa), which still can be used as a weapon. But it is a weapon which hampers the user and puts him at a disadvantage.
The mechanism is nice if you are just some lard ass carrying it around, but in a fight its a liability.
The collapsible baton can break because of it and you can't use it to seriously ram the tip into an attacker, if you do the baton starts folding. The folding can also happen, if you try to grapple your opponent with the collapsible baton.
It lacks the mass of a real baton or even just a normal wooden stick or any other item. This means to get any real force out of the collapsible baton, you have to strike your opponent with the tip.
If you strike only with the tip, that means your collapsible baton is basically just an overly long glorified blackjack. However in most countries and jurisdictions blackjacks are illegal, so you are forbidden from putting weights at the tip of your collapsible baton.
Would you fight with a blackjack which has no weight?
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43f2a0 No.687293
>>687055
For some reason I can't stand this guy.
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43f2a0 No.687295
And btw I had a collapsible nunchuk. I guess it was more or less usable but not too great. I don't recommend.
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9c28af No.687297
>>687293
I've also had a hard time listening to him, he seems too much like some sort of faggy c00l martial artist
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ac9b59 No.687299
>>687293
>manlet
>hyper aggressive
>attacks his partner without reason
>"ha, made you flinch" domination tactics
>wears a shirt he made to hype himself
>clickbait title
>has no studies or statistics to support his anecdotes
>"Don't come to me with your anecdotal stories of how you used a baton and it worked"
>"I'm a fucking prick, so here's a couple shots of my kid to maybe drudge up a little compassion so you maybe change your mind about me"
I think there's plenty of reasons to hate him. He might as well be called Tiger-sensei and have his dojo in a strip mall.
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3f955f No.687313
>>687299
>>687055
>>687293
>shaved head - check
>beard - check
>arrogant, aggresive demeanor - check
>questionable opinions presented as absolutes - check
Reminds me of James Yeager.
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e5e53c No.688002
sorry BRO my states says meany weany batons are no good!
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d6da7f No.688092
>ctrl+f
>nobody’s mentioned spring whip batons
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f8a2ed No.688142
Hits to elbows and knees with an expandable baton can easily cripple a guy for life and neck/head hits can kill. But for that, you have to aim your strikes carefully, which you almost never have time for in a fight. By the time you take it out, flip it open and take a swing, niggers will sucker punch you, bring you down to the ground and probably shove the baton up your ass.
It also loses its effectiveness somewhat if the target is dressed in a puffer jacket or a parka, or just many layers. A determined or sufficiently drunk nog in thick clothes can probably rage through a few hits.
It's an excellent deterrent, however, and hits still hurt like hell and leave fuckhueg bruises that take forever to dissipate. Also good against aggressive stray dogs. So, after weighing pros and cons, it's still a pretty noice weapon. Just get the hardened one - commonly available aluminium chinkshit bends after one hit like your dick after three shots of palinka.
t. eastern yuro
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f8a2ed No.688143
>>688092
>that smooth as fuck short handle
Get some ribs and length on it, anon, or it will be yanked out of your hand faster than you can say "mama".
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ca17f2 No.688221
>>687055
Havent watched this yet but these guys sure look like a couple of cocksuckers. Obviously this is subjective but Totschläger or as I have dubbed in german KebabAbwehrGerät has served me well in a variety of mostly kebab-related incidents. It can be deescalating, you can deploy and swing it very fast. Even some faggot with a blade is gonna think twice so long as you keep your distance Miss my cheap ass automatic baton, worked like a charm and you could put out a chinamans eye with it. Even expensive ones from walther, ASP etc. bend and break eventually if you actually have to use em. Its the saturday night special of melee weapons, they cost a 20 or 30 pop, and you can use em, stash em at say an entrance and get rid of em in a pinch without batting an eye.
>compliance weapon
A cop should just run a fucking tonfa I guess but im not worried about fucking compliance outside of being able to convey that I will beat you fucking retarded if you dont get out of my safe space
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b1dd47 No.688257
>>688221
>A cop should just run a fucking tonfa
>a fucking tonfa
Why not do it proper like and use two?
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139100 No.688355
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52c208 No.688457
>>686839
As a Commiefornian I feel for you. Literally the only thing you can legally carry is a folding knife or a fixed blade knife but it must be visible. I carry a folding karambit at the very least. Haven't had a whole lot of training with its but I like the grip and the fact that the blade faces outward.
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