/k/ - Weapons

>>686546

>you shouldn't ban cuckchanners anon they are very good

>>686551

gyro vol you really have gotten out of hand with this banning and deleting shit.

At least leave the posts up so we can see why someone was banned and form our own conclusions on how much of a faggot the strelok in question was.

Stick to banning spam, people posting retarded shit here isn't a big deal since they usually get btfo pretty damn hard anyway.

Why are redditfaggots so insufferable? The one arguing with the pole who IP hopped and sucked his own dick with the “smart American” nickname for himself is an ultra-nigger. He types like a crypto-boomer and posts several replies after one another without saging. And his vernacular is full of more self fellatiating bullshit. God I hate redditniggers.

>>686545

You can ban them but you don’t need to delete their posts.

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>>686566

Alrighty then, I won't be deleting posts too anymore unless they truly are shit

>>686578

>Poland always welcomed other nations and ethnicities and allowed them to live here undisturbed. None of them were niggers, and the only Muslims were Tatars who fought alongside us in 1683.

Funny how people always thought of that shithole as "pure". Poland is truly anti ethno nationalism at its core.

>>686583

><compares a tiny ethnic group that lived in poland for hundreds of years to modern muslim invaders

Just answer my question, Mehmet.

>>686588

Takes you too long so I'll make it a rhetorical one. "slave" comes "Slav" since these two were largely synonymous during the Tatar slave trade:

http://archive.is/z64Ym

So now please answer me. How many blonde Polish lolis you sacrificed to tataroaches in order to help you fight you White Christian brothers?

>>686578

>another burger thinks he was smart

Another burger who appeared only after the cuckchanner was banned which in no way arouses suspicion, doubly so when the first thing he does is defending the totally other guy's honor instead of answering the OP's question.

>>686578

>were Tatars who fought alongside us in 1683.

Except they didn't and were deserting due to still being muslims but cleverly interpreting Quaran (heh, allah only said wine, nothing about vodka); lithuanians too were subhuman nigger filth who didn't arrive in Vienna AT ALL, and when ottomans were being chased out of Hungary the subhuman nigger apes did what nigs do best and after arriving late instead of helping the locals recover, they raped and pillaged

>>686583

>unironically communist boomers

Chamo-komuna was based and nazbol pilled, PPR didn't recognize the state of israel, and GROM was founded to physically remove jews from Poland and ship them elsewhere ensuring they don't leave the trains until the final destination.

>>686556

Could you post a screencap of the analysis and of his arguement with 152a32? Thatd be really helpful fore everyone that missed it.

>>686489

Unfortunate

>>686661

I second this

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>>686761

Presented without change or comment:

DMOWSKI ISN'T THE MAIN POINT HERE

I typed all this out already, but it was too long and so it got deleted. I'll try again.

After looking at Poland's industrial and technological capabilities, as well as its current economic state, <its fucked.

But it does have potential. <inb4 coping Polack with a VPN

Seeing the manufacturing process for their Rosomaks (listened built Patria AMVs), there is A LOT of room for efficiency and improvement. Seeing their technological capabilities and university research, they are making new things, but do not have much of a market or popular support. Seeing the mass rural and eastern unemployment, there's a huge pool of labor not being utilized. There are also tens of millions of Poles abroad. Sounds bad, but these can be remedied by going full natsoc. <inb4 /pol/ cross poster

No hear me out. What Poland needs is time, money, industry, tech, and labor. Time can be manipulated by manipulating the other variables.

>money

It's common knowledge that the banking system should be nationalized, with a public, nationalized currency issued without debt or usury (interest). Not gonna happen in the modern world unless things drastically change. But since this is a hypothetical thread, let's pretend Roman Dmowski and a certain failed painter had an illegitimate love child who rises to power to lead.

>industry

Utilizing better efficiency and tech, as well as pushing these modernized factories into full scale production, we might be able to even double their output. Add to this forcing the unemployed and/or welfare recipients to work for their benefits building autobahns, I mean, building infrastructure and expanding old factories and building new factories (especially in poorer regions that need the economic stimulation OwO) then manning said new factories, all paid for by the new reichsmark, Polands industry could see a 1930's Germany tier revival. <inb4 German masterrace poles are toilet cleaners they can't amount to anything

A little known fact is during the 60s and 70s, even into the early 80s Poland was an agricultural superpower and industrial powerhouse in relation to its size and population. Once everything was bought by the west it was greatly decreased, but the potential exists. Let's assume in this hypothetical scenario Adolf Dmowski pulls it off. Now they can produce what? 5x-10x what they do now. Not dissimilar to what the Germans achieved. <inb4 D&C shill comes in

>Tech

Poland doesn't have a market for tech, and faces a sever brain drain due to a shit economy and shit policies. Roman Hitler manages to pull of his economic revival, and obviously Poland becomes a pariah. However, many high skilled Poles (and yes, low skilled Poles) who emigrated would choose to return with an economic miracle back home and the potential to contribute their skills to their people now that the pay is decent enough. As the west becomes, we'll, you see how it's becoming, many of the West may choose to also immigrate, where Poland can become rather selective. Add some gov incentives and support, and expansion of universities and research institutes, and tech has caught up in many areas (though still lacks design experience).

>Labor

Take Poland's unemployed/welfare recipient populations, increase efficiency to free up more people, welcome back (in part or fully) the Polish diaspora, increase birth rates with propaganda (long term), and with the above points satisfied Poland may be able to support not the 40million people it has now, but up to 50-60million.

>>686220

Continued! Now that we've established the basis for having the money and industry and labor force to pull off an actual return of the winged hussars, lets go step by step.

~Ground Forces~

Poland's greatest strength and potential, and easiest to upgrade.

>soldiers

Just get more. Begin with Hungary-style military themed summer camps. Move onto useless PE being replaced by classes that are practically mini- Hitler youth training, complete with unarmed combat and military level fitness training. Propaganda, a reinvigorated national spirit, and a pride in a blooming Poland should get you lots of fit recruits. Sort them into their best roles, while the smart stemfags go into R&D, and the weakfags go into manufacturing. Women of course go into support roles in the back lines, into the workforce, and most importantly to creating a strong stable household. Don't tax the young too hard so they can start having kids.

>training

This is self explanatory, if it isn't you're the one who needs to do some thinking, not me.

>Individual equipment

Modernize with Pencott Wildwood, Plate carriers, better helmets, modern comms, MSBS, optics, etc. Poland currently wields a cluster fuck of personal equipment, standardize that shit with home designed home built models. They have at least one of everything Polish made to fill this.

>vehicles

Spam out Rosomak XP (liscence built Patria AMV XP) with Slovakian Torra 30 unmanned turrets. Strap on a few ATGMs (liscence built Kornets would be fine). Throw out the old Soviet shit, the clusterfuck of random shit, abandon acquisition programs. Borsuk IFV might finally be a thing, but unnecessary,a Rosomak APC that's uparmored to an IFV would help with production and maintenance. Recon vehicles, command, ambulances, etc should all be on the Rosomak XP type. Just keep building up a stockpile.

>Anti armor

This is also important once we analyze Poland's armor capabilities. Squads have liscence built RPG-28/29, and platoons have Kornet ATGMs (liscenced as well for home industry).

>Air Defenses

This will be important when we analyze the Air Force. Equip each squad with PIORUNS, and each platoon (or at worst company) with Poprads. Move up to Battalion level and Noteć SPAAG should be appearing in force, as well as SRSAM Narew (if these turn out to be good, if they're shit then replace with Tunguska or Pantsyr and Tor, respectively. Brigades should see Liscence produced (or worse case scenario imported) S-400s. Fuck the Patriot batteries.

>just imagine I specify it's polish built or listened built if it's not polish, I don't want to keep typing that out.

>Armor

Poland doesn't have the experience designing these, but has the industry to build them. Also why would the Germans give Poland free tanks? Are they bugged? Kill switches? These are always a possibility. So Poland would have to develop something, and if not then keep upgrading their current fleet, but put more emphasis on small unit, highly mobile ATGMs. Tanks should ideally be supported by a BMPT-terminator type vehicle. Likely a Uparmored Rosomak with grenade launchers to add to its standard 30mm Torra turret.

>support

Logistics, repair, recovery, etc etc etc. don't make me write this shit out. You get the idea. Similar vehicles and chassis for production efficiency and maintenance and smoothing logistics.

>>686237

I'll address the haters and the cheeky German later.

~Air Force~ (please don't cross it out)

This is an important asset, but Poland is severely lacking.

>Helicopters

Poland doesn't have much of its own, however it has MI24s and home built utility helicopters. They have two options. Go full South Africa, take an outdated heli and upgrade it to a point it's unrecognizable and very potent, or liscence build something. The former would require techfags and industryfags working together to set up an attack helicopter industry. While harder and longer (giggity) it would provide more security from bugging and kill switches, and stimulate polish economy more. License building MI-35s and MI-28s would be quicker, but can they really trust the Russians? more than they can trust weimerica and our greatest ally

>aircraft

Just buy Gripens and upgrade Mig-29s to Mig-35s ffs. Cheap, reliable, sturdy, huge fleet with this option. Not entirely safe, but aircraft design is apparently hard nowadays. This would be safeguarded against by a large air defense net. If both are compromised I think you've got a lot of other problems to think about.

>ground attack

barrel bombs duuuhhh Gripens can do this.

>transport

obviously upgrade MI-24s to MI-35MVs and have a bunch. Air cavalry and Wagner oy vey is required for a modern nation. Transport props will either need to be bought or Poland will have to really crank its industry up. (Which we hopefully accounted for, right?)

>all other stuff

Once again my laziness wins out

>weaponry

Liscence built ZT-6 Mokopas, because I'll be damned if some bastard genocidal africans are the only ones to use this beautiful missile developed by Denel. Once again Poland doesn't have a missile manufacturing base, so Iris-T, MDBA Meteors, or maybe Russian missiles. The American missiles are outclassed and obsolete nowadays. Hopefully the foreign designs are a temporary stopgap measure while the stemfags and industryfags get their shit together and make proper weaponry.

>>686244

Ill self check this I guess

~Navy~

Ok we're starting from scratch here. Literally. Poland has as much naval history as Austria, no, less, I forgot Austria had sea access in the past. Poland has experience building one modern frigate, and its shit. No home designed or built anti ship missiles, and a small dockyard capability as well. Add to that geography, and there aren't a shit tons of natural harbors to build ports in. I have to be a little clever here.

We'll focus mainly on smaller craft, with different production locations. The main Gdańsk and Szczecin shipbuilders will focus on Frigates, Kołobrzeg Gdynia and Sopot on Corvettes, and smaller locations on smaller boats. Inland areas mainly in the northeast (with lots of undeveloped land and unemployed people) will manufacture a lot of the engines, radars, munitions, and interior aspects of the ships that can be shipped to the coast for installation. While home designs are created, I'd have to go with listened built foreign models. We need small ships that pack firepower out of every nook and cranny. Looking at the Baden-Wurtenburg class, LCS, etc, these are big and have limited firepower. The Russians however… those are some BS armaments they manage to jam onto their ships.

>frigates

Admiral Gorshkov class. Look at its armaments and size. Need I say more? Even Poland can produce these. Maybe a fleet of 4-8 can be fielded.

>corvettes

Gremyashchiy-class corvette. Same as above, but we can have a few more. A dozen, maybe two dozen? If the industry and economy can manage (as a unkiked properly managed economy should) even 3 dozen can be patrolling, training, maintaining, and refitting.

>miniboats

Buyan-M class "corvettes" they're not even 600 tons, they're practically river patrol boats that carry a Pantsyr-S, 8 anti ship missiles, and 8 Manpads. While laws say that such ''powerful" missiles can't be land based, these buggers can be swam up a river and hide inside Poland. Spam these until these become household items. That reminds me…

Just like those evil gun grabbing nazis did in real life, make guns readily available for Poles as part of the 2A, witcher edition. The burgers will be seething.

>Subs

The biggest problem. No one friendly or reliable has good ones. No good ones won't be bugged with kill switches. Ideally a type 212a, but maybe the swedes will help once again with Blekinge class subs. I don't have a good answer for this, but subs would be used to help prevent a naval invasion.

>Support ships.

Standardize, home produce, blah blah you know the deal by now

>>686251

~other considerations~

>spec ops

Greatly expand these cooldudes(tm), redpill them, and put them to work

>territorial guard

Ok these larding faggots are a good and bad idea. They're not trained or equipped enough to be part of the regular army, while a guerilla war simply won't work in Poland. So I propose something crazy. Make the reserves and the territorial defense force one thing. Yup. Have these be hundreds of thousands if not a million strong. Every Saturday train cqc, every month go on a 4-5 day platoon/company size maneuvers, every year go on a month long grand scale military exercise with the regular army, fully incorporated. Give them the same gear and whatnot as the regulars. Regular boots require the least training to do their jobs, so during peace time a huge contingent of officers, EW, airborne, Air Force, special weapons operators, techies, NBCR, can be trained to proficiency, as well as a smaller (but still potent) front line. The moment someone starts posturing, start calling up the reservists/territorial guard. They should only require minimal military training at this point. Add to that a bunch of smartfags civvies to do their job, but now play with military computers and toys, and you can start to double, triple, quadruple your force. I believe the German Wehrmacht had a similar concept before ww2 where upon mobilization units would be sent to hold the front, while others would literally undergo mitosis over and over again to produce a huge response army. Of course this will require a huge stockpile of weapons, vehicles, etc. each man brings his uniform and guns with him, like the Swiss.

>nukes

Schrodinger's nukes. A secret fuck you if conventional forces fail.

Well lads I lurked for two years, this is my first try. I'll now address anyone's concerns, beginning with the ones already posted.

And I won't be posting his tirade on Dmowski.

>>686237

Oh dear it appears I have forgotten artillery, arguably my favorite category. While Poland has many good, indigenous designs, with a strong industrial capacity already in place to build large quantities, they do not exploit their natural Artillery advantage nearly enough. Looking at the acquisition of Artillery pieces, they could thoroughly modernize their artillery batteries with highly mobile, accurate, long ranged artillery, which can conduct counter battery fire as well. They could easily produce 2x-5x what they do now, depending on the model, and with the hypothetical economic reforms you could 2x-5x that again.

>mortars

The RAK 120mm mortar would provide support on the platoon level, with a support platoon in each company dedicating a mobile mortar to each platoon. If this is too low level, there can be artillery companies/battery's that provide massed support on demand to companies in the battalion. Best of all, it is mounted on a Rosomak, simplifying logistics, which I do rather enjoy, as all the RAK factory has to produce is the turret. It is ridiculously under built for what Poland can sustain. The theoretical we have here would include thousands of these easily produced, very cost effective pieces.

>light artillery

The Kryl SPG is a small, extremely mobile 155mm artillery piece. These can be grouped into batteries to provide support to companies, counter enemy artillery, and have a very high survivalists due to their superior shoot n' scoot capability. While the gun itself is a license build, its licensed from their greatest ally, so no harm in taking it for themselves. Once again it is on a typical Polish truck chases, and is woefully underproduced.

>heavy artillery

The Krab is a larger 155mm artillery piece. The problem here is while it is technically an indigenous design, the chassis is Worst Korean, the turret is Britbongistan, and the barrel is German. However, in the modern day it is the electronics that are most vulnerable to being bugged, or containing a kill switch should the customer nation go to war with the producer. Luckily, this is WB electronics' Topaz system, a Polish design. The mechanical parts won't just blow up if the political situation changes. However, it would still be better to use Polish parts. luckily for this scenario, we now have a huge surplus of older T72s whose chassis can be readily taken, and only a turret would have to be produced. Once again simplifying the process, and cutting corners without actually cutting corners. Ooh how I like manipulating logistics and the manufacturing process. This is not as underproduced as the other two, but with the free chassis from older T72s, we can ramp up production massively, affording battalions extremely potent heavy artillery support.

>MLRS

Fuck the Himars, 20 pieces is pathetic. I'll take the money back thanks. Luckily we can use the WR-40 Langusta. While simply a heavily modernized and upgraded Soviet BM-21, these can be spammed out, with just one providing effective short range rocket support, and a massed battery used to devastating effect. But this leaves us with a need for a long range, hard hitting MLRS. The Himars is unacceptable, simply due to it being high tech and not indigenous, leading to all the possible security issues. Listen every produced mechanisms with Polish hardware and code would be more acceptable. While creating a new design is possible, it might take a while, and a few iterations to create enough design expertise. Unfortunately I don't have a stopgap answer or recommendations for licensed units.

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>>686783

You're a good man. Thanks for reposting that. It's an interesting read. No clue why it would be deleted.

What was the original argument though? I need my daily dosage of internet drama.

>>686794

He said he wouldn't be posting that idiot. Better idea: >>686556 what alternate viewer do you recommend so that the other American can get his internet drama without others having to?

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>>686597

Tatars are as foreign to Poland as they are to Russia, you fucking retard.

>>686805

>turko-mongoloid mudslimes are equally foreign to Poland as Slavs

Are you even trying, Mustafa?

>>686830

That's not what he said, read it again.

>>685977

Let me check those dubs too and have a chuckle.

>>686832

Oops my bad, but what point was he trying to make?

>>686578

>Remember that Poland always welcomed other nations and ethnicities and allowed them to live here undisturbed

<baste polan allowed ethnic ghettos to appear and create disunity.

You forgot that it led to poland not existing for over a century, but let's welcome more ebin minorities from india, srilanka, philippines or whatever other shithole. who will be fed pierogi and given voting cards with PiS pre-selected.

>>686805

Poland is for everyone, except poles, unless you follow the constitutional definition then poland is for everyone who has a polish passport the president can give away to anyone.

>>686863

>Poland is for everyone, except poles

So fourth partition, but this time by Turks, Syrians, Somalians and Moroccans instead of Prussia, Russian and Austria?

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>>686216

For a second I was thinking desertion or some other cuck-not-cuck action where you "accidentally" let them have their way with the roaches.

>>686887

No because it's a shithole nobody wants to stay in, ukrainians are using it as a checkpoint to get EU-viable papers and leave for Germany.

>>686830

The small position of "managing" this indonesian coconut carving board is enough to mske you trip on "power".

You really are a low IQ Turkmutt.

Tatars have been in poland before you were turned into a breeding camp.

You know it when sperggook has better reading comprehension than you do.

>>686918

If that's true it might boost german racial stock.

inb4

>ukrainian

>white

>leave the E.U

>leave NATO

>become buffer state between russian and the E,U

>spend 1/4th of budget on becoming nuclear capable

>spend another 1/4th of better mobile artillery

>since no NATO requirements, ditch 5.56 GAYTO and go back to 5.45 CHAD, rechamber beyrl rifle in 5.45 but keep all beyrl updates

>adopt cz-p10f as sidearm

>>686974

this, maybe the slavs can put some war genes back in germans

>>686980

I think germans are easily the most redpilled people in central Europe, next to Austrian and Italian.

>>686979

>5.45

>Chad

More like the virgin 5.56 and his older also virgin brother 5.45

Real rifles use 7,62 or we can finally fucking go forwards and use 6.5CM

>>686980

>emigrants

>war genes

Being a temporary worker in a country with decent salary is ok, but emigrants are pure "citizen of the world" kind of libshit traitors that are gonna betray anyone anytime they think it's useful for them.

>>686980

I sincerely hope you mean via invasion and acting like niggers to trigger German rage rather than ethnically mixing.

Also

>German war genes are gone

>not suppressed

It’s just like a dog, you can train 3 generations to be good and follow your commands but as soon as you leave the dog alone he will inevitably revert back to his primal instincts, his wolf genes aren’t gone.

>>688471

THe GROT is a very nice rifle, light and nimble with very light recoil. Had a chance to shoot one in Poland.

If it was chambered in 5.45 it would be very nice.

>>688471

>they can't import this into the US due to autistic American import laws

Based, land of the "free"

So looks like pooland has made the deal with muttmerica for F35's.

>>688888

Quints of truth.

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SIEG BELKA!