e9bd4c No.667099 [View All]
Was the united states lacking good artillery during the Vietnam war? I seen all the talk about the m14 and m16, but I don't hear about the main killer in wars.Also do you think we should have used actual chemical weapons for the jungle
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fd228a No.673770
>>673742
>Claims Field Marshall Montgomeries victories in North Africa and Sicily as his own
>Ignores Monty's Anglo-Canadian forces taking the heaviest defended beaches and dealing with most of the German counter attack in Normandy
>The officer who made the bulk of US 'victory' in Europe possible, and you call him 'dead weight'.
America really is just the boomer nation at this point, isn't it.
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37f912 No.673771
Oh boy we are re-enacting WW2 in this thread.
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6f145c No.673774
>>673742
>mutts ran away from first encounter back to anglos
>"we din dall ourselves, nomsane?"
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4ef0be No.673864
>>673744
Since when is simply stating what happened being proud?
>>673770
>takes the easy route through Sicily and still loses the race to Patton
Yup, he was certainly helpful. Monty was an egotistical blowhard who only wanted to kill "muh Germans" and find glory in killing as many as he could. He was a pain in everyone's ass as he begged for supplies to lead his pointless "unified front" campaign which did nothing but hand Berlin over the the Soviet rape hoard because he had the same brand of European pettiness that gave us the Dresden bombing and England not accepting peace terms from Hitler after the fall of France. You are the boomer, England.
>>673774
Like I said, if that battle was such a "disaster" then why did it not even slow the capture of North Africa and Sicily?
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fd228a No.673878
>>673864
Hey, feel free to believe whatever nonsense helps you sleep at night m8.
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bd9be0 No.674051
>>673864
>Soviet rape hoard
The greatest amount of rapes and also prostitution happened in the west, already after WW1. Damn the Frogs and Yanks to hell for bringing nigger hordes into Europe. Well, I know of course that both countries were already heavily kiked at that time, but still…
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820239 No.674062
>>673864
Because if you have enough industrial power, efficiency of weapons and generals can be ignored. Ex. Israel lost its entire armored force in a war and America airlifted in 1:1 replacements.
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820239 No.674063
>>673864
>Soviet rape hoard
Fucks sake ever heard of negermischelange? Soviets didnt rape hardly any germans because they didnt really hardly capture any territory where germans lived. Allies took 4/5ths of Germany and the 1/5th Soviets took was populated by slavs (serbs/poles/cheques) as much as Germans. Half the stories of Russian raping Germans are absolute provable bullshit published by CIA during cold war to "maintain an ally".
If any Soviet rapes took place it was probably Ukrainians raping Poles or something similar, since Ukrainians were used for prison guard forces.
How can you have such WRONG conceptions about basic shit.
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6d67f0 No.674071
>>674063
Yeah, Berlin is not Germany territory.
I think the Soviet apologism on this board is hitting critical mass.
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4ef0be No.674086
>>673878
>taking and losing Tobruk 8 times and having everyone concentrate in liberating the fucking Netherlands which you dragged into the war by boarding a fucking German ship sitting in a neutral waterway instead of getting to Berlin before Stalin was super helpful to the war you guys
>>674051
>prostitution
So you're going to start screaming and crying about comfort girls now?
>>674062
And yet Kassarine pass never happened ever again because we learned from the mistakes that were made.
>>674063
>denying the rape of Berlin
The leaf. Do you also believe that the man waving the hammer and sickle on top of the Reichstag's roof didn't have an arm full of looted watches?
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8881ab No.674089
>>673742
>I'm guessing that North Africa and Sicily conveniently didn't count anywhere in there?
North Africa was over by the time the US intervened, the axis fighting a rear guard battle. And the only time the US had a major engagement was Kasserine pass. After that the UK systemically took on the brunt of ALL the western theater campaigns.
>Sicily.
Sicily was largely undefended (due to a very successful British deception), most of the italians run away due to early OSS/Mafia shenanigans and the Germans withdrew safely and entirely (with the remaining Italian that hadn't turn-coat) from A FUCKING ISLAND despite allies having an overwhelming advantage in sea and air power.
Italy was a such a shit show Germans were still holding almost all of the industrialized parts of it by April of 1945.
Maneuver warfare is the art of inflicting a maximum of casualties by outmaneuvering your opponent usually by cutting his forces off and then promptly reducing the weakened pockets thus formed.
Something the US never managed to do once in WWII even if by some miracle (usually called Patton) a pocket formed said pockets were almost never properly weakened as they formed over a stupid amount of time allowing the trapped units to properly grab as much supplies as they could and dig deep defensive positions (hell you still had Germans pockets in France in May 1945, they conducted air and even submarine operations until they ran out, of their extensive stock, of fuel).
Patton (*kofkof* who was french cavalry trained *kofkof*) was literally the only US general that understood that. And was therefore belittled, only used as a last resort and all of his breakthrough efforts immediately pissed away by his peers.
And the only one the Germans deemed a threat.
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568b75 No.674091
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8233a8 No.674098
>>673324
Panzer III is contemporary with the early T-34 and was a superior tank.
The Panther enters service BEFORE the T-34-85 and 76mm Shermans.
Panther vs M4 and T-34 is absolutely a fair argument.
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f005b8 No.674114
>>674086
>So you're going to start screaming and crying about comfort girls now?
N-no, of course not he he… cries softly into sleep
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820239 No.674136
>>674098
Did anyone see the goalposts shift?
>Panzer III is contemporary with the early T-34 and was a superior tank.
He didn't say
>Early Panzer III is contemporary with the early T-34 and was a superior tank
In his headcannon hes outright using late model Panzer III modified specifically to fight the T-34 after the shock of not being able to do shit against it initially with early model T-34.
>Panther vs M4 and T-34 is absolutely a fair argument.
Again Panthers were purpose-built to fight T-34 using a lot of the techniques that made T-34 an excellent design initially - the sloped armor, high gearing, and wide tracks. It's also twice as heavy, in practical terms heavy enough to be a heavy tank.
It's like comparing IS to Tiger family.
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820239 No.674139
>>674063
>>674071
>>674091
Do they not teach geography in your schools? Even if Soviets were ultra rapist cyborgs, they didn't have access to as many German women as Allied forces.
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f005b8 No.674141
>>674139
I get and apreciate your point, but calling those eastern parts "slavic natives" after 800 years of Ostsiedlung is exagerated.
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820239 No.674144
>>674141
It may be a stretch but its technically correct if we're looking at it from genetics perspective. Soviet raping Germanized Sorbs didn't really soil the German gene pool nearly as much as outright fucking Africans raping actual Germans. The second offends me a HELL of a lot more than the first.
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6d67f0 No.674146
>>674139
Berlin was the capital of Germany and contains a shitload of women regardless of actual landmass.
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820239 No.674147
>>674146
I'd want to see the ethnic composition of Berlin, and how many people left the city as they saw the house of cards collapsing. I'd be super surprised if half the people around in Berlin weren't soldiers or levies from farther east.
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6d67f0 No.674148
>>674147
Alright, waiting actual research then.
If you trust the Soviet narrative, muh rape is natzee propaganda and didn't happen.
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6bb417 No.674149
>>674147
Fun fact: there were both French and Hungarian SS units in Berlin.
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71cabb No.674152
>>674149
When do we get together the boys again?
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820239 No.674167
>>674148
I don't trust any narratives, but I'm extremely leery of believing globalist narratives that are generated to promote hatred among a vanishing phenotype of humanity.
>>674149
During the last days I would be surprised if the leadership of Germany didn't call in fucking everyone.There were even slavs flying their jet fighters near the end.
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8233a8 No.674188
>>674136
Okay.
Early Panzer III (Short 50mm, F-H, 1940) was superior to T-34 models 1940 and 1941, and arguably the 1942.
>Again Panthers were purpose-built to fight T-34
How can the Panther be purpose built to counter to counter a tank that entered service after it.
Sure, but we are trying to compare contemporary tanks. I'm not talking about the T-34-76.
The T-34-85 was in service AFTER the Panther and was an objectively worse design.
And don't start with the cope that Panther was a heavy tank.
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8233a8 No.674192
>>674144
> its technically correct if we're looking at it from genetics perspective.
No, that is absolutely incorrect.
You are a retard who gets his information from troll /int/ infographs.
>>674188
Ah, fucked up my formatting, switch lines 4 and 5.
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6d67f0 No.674226
>>674167
>I don't trust any narratives, but I'm extremely leery of believing globalist narratives that are generated to promote hatred among a vanishing phenotype of humanity.
Nigger, "the rape of Berlin didn't happen" is a globalist narrative.
USSR is globalist, the same shit as the US.
The only ones who do mention the rape themselves are the germans or german sympathizers.
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faf862 No.674231
>>674144 (checked)
>>674192
>>674226
Rapes absolutely did happen, of course, with the greatest orgies of violence occuring in the eastern parts like Prussia and Pommerania. Due to the dawning Cold War and the necessities of rapidly integrating the conquered territories, the Ivans quickly and quite harshly decided to put a stop to it and re-instated discipline among their troops - even resorting to capital punishment in some cases. If anecdotes are to believed, already from '46/'47 onward, German women could move without fear within Berlin and the rest of the Ostzone. In general the Soviets followed the policy of strictly separating their troops from the civilian population; it was rare for an average civilian to encounter Russian soldiers outside perhaps of military service later on. Actual numbers are hard to come by in any case.
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e79051 No.686215
>>667908
>>667907
Most of those vehicles were in US depots, ones that were neglected after WWII so badly that those were more of scrap yards than storage depots. Stuff that was battlefield recovered hulks were salvaged during or immediately after WWII, but weren't overhauled properly after the war. Basically occupation troops neglected all the equipment that they didn't use on daily basis. Since Shermans and Pershings were too heavy for many Japanese roads and bridges, only tanks they kept running were Chaffees. Even the undamaged Shermans and Pershings in those depots required heavy overhauls to get operational, due to pure negligence. That negligence also contributed to poor reputation Pershing had, due to its unreliability. Also those depots contained lot more trucks and jeeps than occupation troops needed. So those too were neglected.
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ecd416 No.686584
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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4a8d98 No.686586
>>674226
>"the rape of Berlin didn't happen"
t. wikipedia
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dbc93b No.686591
>>674226
Oh the rape of Berlin DID happen, but it certainly wasn't russians doing it. As it was pointed out earlier in the thread, the soviets had only 1/3rd of berlin, the other 2/3rds were controlled by niggers from america. Google negermischlinge.
It's a Jewish invention that russians somehow raped german women, but mullatoes, anglos, spics, and niggers from allied states didn't.
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0b6502 No.686601
>>686591
>13% of the US population commits more than 50% of homicides
>b-but whites commit it too!!!!1!!
Soviets were so nice compared to the Allies which is why so many Germans fled east to escape the nasty Allies.
>>686586
Greece, think long and hard about why he put those quotation marks around that quotation. You are arguing against a man who is agreeing with you.
>>674139
Do you realise that the Soviets could rape more despite controlling fewer women, right? If I rape every woman I see in a day, and I see five women, I have raped five women. If you rape every tenth woman you see, but see fifty women, we have raped an equal number of women. Do you know what per capita means?
Are you the same retard as: >>686599
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dbc93b No.686604
>>686601
People didn't "flee" west, they emigrated west for jobs. Why do westerners keep thinking that anyone who crosses a border is a fleeing refugee?
Also what the fuck do civilian immigrants in the 60s have to do with mass armed nigger rape in the 40s?
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ecd416 No.686606
>link a video about firebases in Vietnam to an artillery thread
>thread is alive again, but none of the other posts have anything to do with artillery
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dbc93b No.686611
>>686606
<wanting threads to stay on topic and wanting to control the flow of discussion
Join a forum, this is an imageboard.
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1750ba No.686612
>>686611
>im allowed to argue with the Hungarians over CT rounds and ACR program rifles in any thread i want
Cool!
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dbc93b No.686655
>>686612
>allowed
What a british thing to say.
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6db5b1 No.686696
>>686655
>I will shit up any thread with whatever I want because fuck focusing on any topic whatsoever
What a can'tadian way to act.
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dbc93b No.686707
>>686696
>i want to control what people talk about
>i dont want to see where a natural discussion leads
>im not interested in what people actually think i just want you to be my puppets
What a Leftist thing to say.
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6db5b1 No.686714
>>686707
Why do retards like you go to topic specific boards, open a thread about an even more specific subtopic, and then shit them up with irrelevant shitposts like this?
Just go to /b2/ for fucks sake.
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dbc93b No.686715
>>686714
1. I didn't start shit, don't put this on me
2. It's not off topic, it's still actually about /k/ stuff
Or do you think discussion about historical view of vietnam war is "derailing" if it goes into WWII a little bit.
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0b6502 No.686811
>>686707
What a /leftypol/ false flag.
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4cc92c No.687038
>>686604
>they emigrated west for jobs
In 1945…
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f1a1f8 No.687143
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dbc93b No.687235
>>687038
>>687143
<post war germany had lots of intact factories and farmland you dumb leaf there was no reason for german people to leave other than millions of slavic cocks pushing the germans out of the country with the sheer girth of reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
😒
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7dd36e No.687270
>>687235
>people didn't "flee" west
<but they fled west
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dbc93b No.687278
>>687270
>>687270
For the last time there was no fleeing. People migrated for jobs and better living conditions such as welfare and health care, many of them were invited into the west or shangheied (operation paperclip). To confuse fucking refugees with migrants this hard is to say that alboniggers deserve to live in germany because theyre 'fleeing'.
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ffe9fd No.687286
>>687278
>>687278
>For the last time there was no fleeing
lol jewpigs and their history forgeries
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52b168 No.687306
>>687286
A leafjew no less.
Contradicts himself and then tries to twist his words around to compensate.
I really wish there was a flag filter, there's only like three leafs posting here anymore and two of them are total cocksuckers.
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