/k/ - Weapons

>>677345

The can is worth 200 in and of itself, so you paid around 200 bucks for a gook nugget that doesn't look too beat to shit. I guess you could do worse, it's not a bad deal but it's not an amazing deal either.

>>677298

LOWA

>>677452

Don't think so gyro bro.

Any advice on how to practice long distance shooting, as in, getting out to 1000 yards, and passing it with the goal of 1760?

>rifle/glass/gear recommendations

>techniques to study and practice

>dry firing techniques

Right now I'm shooting a T/C 308 With some old 8x Nikon glass my dad left me, I can put 5 rounds in a 5 inch group at 300 yards. Any advice is appreciated.

>>677452

I only found this but I don’t know if that’s what you exactly wanted. It is expensive and the price is $60.00 CAD/$39.83 EUR.

https://www.bodyarmourcanada.com/cut-tuffcut-resistant-clothing-canada/cut-tuff-cut-and-slash-resistant-balaclava

>>677468

Handload, bed/free float the barrel if you haven't already.

>>677345

>quality

make sure you check your headspace. me and a buddy bought some from the same batch (all matching too) and my headspace was fine. his was not and was splitting shell necks. nothing crazy, it wasn't going to blow up in his face or anything, but he definitely needed a new bolt.

>>677468

I look forward to seeing more answers, as I'd love to make 1,000yd shots – even half that. But the "local" range is 2hrs away and only allows for 300yd shots.

Where on earth do you even *find* a place/way to shoot from that far away? And what would /k/ say is the minimum magnification? Have any here *made*it onto the paper with a 3-9, at that range?

Good question /k/omrade – guns are for reaching out and touching a target from nowhere near them.

>>677468

>>677525

also very interested.

is 3-in-one oil a good substitute for CLP? they smell exactly alike so they have to be the same, right? all I could find on a cursory search was a bunch of boomers saying it's not good but didn't give any reason why typical fucking boomers.

>>677553

3-in-1 for bike chains is a disaster. It attracts (dissolves? Adheres better to? Obviously not a literal dirt-magnet but…) dirt quickly, has low thermal AND pressure limitations, and evaporates under use, leaving only that dirt we spoke of earlier.

If you're seriously poor, I'd sooner recommend 30w car oil than 3-in-1, which was engineered for sewing machines used by old ladies, and can also reduce the squeak your bathroom door's middle hinge makes. Not sure what the third use is, but if there's pressure or temperature in play, don't use it there.

>>677563

well that's true of bike chains but application on a firearm is a different story. talking about bikes specifically, grime attraction is fine in a dry, clean environment like summer but disastrous during wet, salty times like winter.

properly taken care of guns don't have to deal with that though. I shoot mine enough so that they stay neither fouled not sitting (clean) long. that being said, point taken on its thermal and pressure applications. do you know what sets CLP apart from 3-in-one specifically that makes CLP more applicable towards gun usage?

I'm about 10 beers deep so sorry if my wordage isnt the best.

So most of us here have gas masks for SHTF but the real question is, when would we be using them? main 2 scenarios I can think of is military using tear gas or similar riot control measures. Or your /k/ neighbor gassing the block for whatever reason.

I can't really see something on the scale of ww1 gas even though im sure the military has volatile concoctions stored somewhere.

>>677471

Not exactly what I was hoping for but good enough. How come D3O haven't made any balaclavas? You'd think it would be possible with the current tech to make one that is lightweight and provide protection against punches and even smaller blunt weapons around our jaw, nose and temple.

>>677589

>grime attraction is fine

Did you forget that DI guns like the AR poop where they eat?

> what sets CLP apart from 3-in-1, specifically?

My understanding was that CLP wasn't a "product" so much as an idea

One that has often failed to find balance, as the 'c' tends to step on the toes of 'l' leaving 'p' out in the weather while they fight.

My preference is to separate the functions. Clean with WD-40, wait for it to dry, add ALG go-juice to the contact points. YMMV, I'm still new to actually being able to think about _shooting_ not just hoarding ammo.

>>677608

Uh, that’s a good question. No idea why they haven’t created that yet. I think it is a great idea because nobody want to be potatoes for the rest of their life. I think you might be able to receive less damages if you sew the shock absorption gel sheet into balaclavas.

Planning on getting a reloading kit, ingot pan, and bullet mold for a .38/.357 and .410 shotgun. Am I better off going used, or new? What's the best brand name/model that offers all the basic features without charging an arm and a leg? I've heard that tire balancing weights are a bad idea if you want accuracy, and to buy only pure lead and mix it with…something till you get the right hardness. In a .357 is that really gonna matter since 100 yards is more or less your max accurate range? Is it worth getting a few different casts for different grains, or just getting 158g and keeping things consistent? What does 128 offer over 158?

>>677618

>Did you forget that DI guns like the AR poop where they eat?

i did, but that doesnt really make a difference. ARs like to run wet, its not going to matter what you put in there, its gonna get gunked up. if anything, grime attraction would be a positive as it would clean easier. fouling for the most part isnt escaping since its a closed system so having a nice gummy (relatively speaking) oil to catch all that shit would be good.

that being said, if 3-in-1 doesnt effectively clean that mess out then its not very good. CLP has done very well by me for the past 10 years so i keep using it, but if i can get the same cleaning quality for a third of the price because its not the (((name brand))), im going to do that. though, if its a distinctly inferior product (i.e. what you say is true about 3-in-1's thermal and pressure limitations), then im not going to use it.

also you should use a bore solvent rather than WD-40 for your cleaning step if you want to keep your steps separate. i understand the logic of the separation, i just dont do it.

>>677618

>>677645

changed some of my search parameters and kept reading and found someone wrote WD-40 (manufacturer of 3-in-One) and they responded that 3-in-One doesnt contain solvents and is non-detergent. so it doesnt sound like a good substitute. im starting to think that youre right in regards to separating functions.

>>677634

When it comes to the ingot pan I'd go used, new for the bullet molds and dies because then you know for sure your shit isn't scratched to shit on the inside. For cheap range/plinking ammo wheel weights are more than suitable, but when going for accuracy I'd personally go with a proper lead mix. With that being said, go ahead and get multiple molds.

>>677678

The point was the question.

>>677680

So, to be more direct, you're asking if a .30-cal 168 FMJ would leave a bigger exit hole through a brick of ballistic gel at 1,000yds / 539ft-lbs than a .45-cal hollow point would impacting a mated brick of gel a foot or two away at 471ft-lbs.

My question to that, would be would you like an apple, or an orange?

31°47'02.0"N 106°33'29.9"W

There's a good hill top around 1000 feet from that coordinate. Would be a damn shame if someone minecrafted them.

>>677732

Saved lel

>>677758

Sounds like he got bit by the slide a few times. You should be fine without them if you aren't a turd.

>>677710

>Melonated Labia

>>677786

>Monon Aabe

>>677732

>using rimfire on leftists

Would have been funnier if you had it start at 223

>>677970

>doesn't know Greek letters

>it's a mutt

Not a surprise.

>>677983

Small cartridges are underestimated like hell. With a proper gun you can deliver a hail of bullets with next to no recoil. Dindus and antifas aren't likely to wear body armor.

Suggestions for an online military surplus store? I can't use Varusteleka because they won't ship to a P.O, Box.

>>677992

I like Mike's Militaria and SwissLink. Kommandostore is still okay as well. They don't have the widest selection, but they'll occasionally have weird stuff no one else does. Where they really shine is their new reproductions of surplus gear.

>>678000

thank you slav bro

is armscor a good brand for ammo? im trying to find cheap 5.56/.223 ammo that has brass casing

>>678054

Its alright. PMC is another alright one. Personally don't mind the remshit stuff in the bucket.

>>678055

i think i might just end up buying some american eagle instead. same price per catridge, but i can get it delivered for free and not have to go to a store

>>678059

Their brass is great if you're reloading

Does anyone have the /k/ recommended movies/tv guide? Getting deployed and need stuff to throw on a hard drive.

What would happen if the capitols and major cities of every single country got nuked?

Also, why is it that the longer I hang around /k/ and 8chan in general, the more I want to kill people?

I want this shitty world to collapse already and turn into a free for all slaughterfest.

>>678106

>I want this shitty world to collapse already and turn into a free for all slaughterfest.

What's the lethal range for 6.5 Grendel? I see lots of posts about people running steel at 1000 yards, but how far out will it reliably incapacitate a man? A deer? An elk?

Is there a gun that can end my degenerate desires without ending my life?

>>678189

scalpel, or bible, are both better choices for that. Guns just leave a hole that wants to be filled with more. Sometimes the hole gets infected though, turns bad. Has to be cut out, evil-dead style.

Filling a hole with a chainsaw doesn't really reduce your degeneracy, just makes it harder to pull a trigger. Never ending cycle, you see? Read your bible; God may help your soul. /k/ is a magical place, not a spiritual place, if you see the difference. And magic is as the sin of rebellion. I think, maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

Let me know what you find. Answer all our questions.

Why is burst/automatic fire bad for suppression when the weapon designed primarily for suppression(i.e. MG) is used almost entirely in full auto?

>>678179

Depends entirely on your standards which are primarily subjective. For modern military doctrines usually 22lr after going through some arbitrary amount of armor(usually some unspecified steel) is ok. Do you want to incapacitate the man immediately? Do you want to wound the man enough that his life is in danger and requires immediate medical help? Do you want to theoretically be able to kill your target on occasional lucky shot to the eye while other shots in non-vital areas like ones not being arteries/heart/nerve system are expected to only cause minor distraction for the expected time of combat?

Hunters have more strict standards as they can lose the game and/or talk some weird speak about muh ethics, though they don't really have standards for humans, for obvious reasons. For deer the lowest acceptable cartridges for a standard lung shot are 357mag(1250ft-lbs) or 30 carbine(~1000ft-lbs, commonly more like 950) from rifles, though handgun hunters might have it lower. These standards are for pretty close range(50-100m) though, and with a properly selected ammo. Humans are generally considered similar or slightly smaller than deer sized game and when fighting them you may find it acceptable to take 5mins to bleed out instead of >30secs or instant incapacitation and when they fight back you can simply shoot them again so the acceptable threshold can be lower. Usually if you can get good ammo then energy is a pretty good estimation of "killing power" and the one that legislations that don't list specific cartridges commonly use.

For elk do your own research, i dunno.

Not weapon related, but does anyone have a copy of the Fuhrer Cake recipe?

>>678196

they have cheap nigger prices!

>>678260

> the Fuhrer Cake recipe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614525/2pm-lie-ins-daily-Fuhrer-Cake-Hitlers-former-maid-mountain-retreat-reveals-break-silence-71-years.html

What are you faggots shooting nowadays?

how's your aim?

have you timed yourself?

How are you handling yourself?

staying healthy?

>>678201

>Why is burst/automatic fire bad for suppression when the weapon designed primarily for suppression(i.e. MG) is used almost entirely in full auto?

Because machine guns are usually belt-fed and have a whole team of people to bring belts to the battle. E.g. the official TOE says that in a team there are 4 members, 3 of them has 7 magazines for 210 cartridges, and a belt with 200 more cartridges. Then there is the M249 gunner with 4 belts for 800 cartridges. Obviosuly all the belts are for him. So out of the 2030 cartridges 1600 are for the light machine gun. And the M249 can take the magazines too (in theory, in practice it's far from reliable). In other words, according to official doctrine ~80% of the ammunition is for the M249, and the gunner needs 8x more ammunition than a rifleman.

>burst fire

There are usually three reasonings behind its existence, and I disagree with all three of them.

<to limit ammunition wastage by limiting automatic fire

If someone can't use automatic fire efficiently (either due to his lack of skills or because the weapon is not suited for automatic fire) then he will still waste ammunition in burst mode and he'd be better off with semi-automatic fire.

<to increase hit probability

The theory is that a bunch of projectiles hitting in a controlled pattern are more likely to hit the target. Project SALVO and all of its predecessors and sucessors tried it, and they never managed to make it work. And they started in the 1950s and the programs were running even in the 1990s. Decades of research, more arcane ideas than what we could come up with, and it was all for nothing.

>to penetrate armour

The AN-94 is the best example: it's overcomplicated for what it is, and yet you'd be better off with a self-loading rifle designed for a bigger cartridge (e.g. .338 Lapua Magnum).

>>678263

>Story about the cake but no recipe for the cake

Did they remove the recipe from the article at some point?

>>678271

>haven't shot in months

>aim is kinda ass

>never timed myself

>not too well

>not really

Probably should go to the range again, but yeah, i'm fucked.

>>678275

>The theory is that a bunch of projectiles hitting in a controlled pattern are more likely to hit the target. Project SALVO and all of its predecessors and sucessors tried it, and they never managed to make it work.

Project SALVO worked within reason, the problem was with ammunition costs overruling practicality and because individual marksmanship was still butting heads with that proposed doctrine - hence the M14 being adopted and the M16 being sabotaged through both cost-saving measures and "muh M14".

Duplex ammunition worked well enough that it was seriously considered, double-rifles were thrown out as soon as possible, and flechettes were a massive disappointment, but that's generally where the discussion ends.

>>678305

>hence the M14 being adopted and the M16 being sabotaged through both cost-saving measures and "muh M14"

The M16 was adopted because it was perfectly fine for jungle warfare, much better than the M14, and they kept it as an interim solution until one of those projects delivers a rifle that can somehow make even a conscript into a marksman. As far as I know the whole thing with the powder and the lack of cleaning kits is just your typical US Army retardation, not some kind of a sabotage to save the M14.

>>678276

>an apple cake strewn with nuts and raisins

Closest thing they get to describing the cake in question. They don't mention the type of tea he preferred either.

>>678306

>As far as I know the whole thing with the powder and the lack of cleaning kits is just your typical US Army retardation, not some kind of a sabotage to save the M14.

There's some truth to this actually, but it sounds like anon is conflating M16 kikery with AR-10/FAL kikery. During the adoption trials for what would eventually become the M14, the guys running the trials sabotaged the FAL and the AR-10 whenever possible, while having three different specialists constantly babying the M-14 to keep it running.

>>678331

Yes and no. US Army sabotaged the M16 by using different powder, no cleaning kits, not training to clean the rifles. As for the FAL kikery, that was an Army Colonel that fucked over everyone by not only the .280 British but also not adopting the FN FAL.

>>678275

So the main factors limiting full auto suppressive fire is ammo amount and mag size? I.e. it's preferable to extend those few mags you have with slower single aimed shots over greater amount of time for at least some suppression rather than spending everything in a few seconds and getting stuck? How important is the MG role anyway? Does it do anything that several trained marksmen cannot in most situations that don't include fighting communist hordes/zombies?

>>678391

Taurus is shit. Spend a bit more and get an EC9S so you have a gun that actually works.

I'm planning to build a CETME in .358 Winchester. Is this stupid?

>>678391

Objectively good for the money. Glock style trigger/breakdown and runs sig 226 mags. Factory sights are shit, get tritium sights as fast as possible.

>>678414

You obviously have never worked in a shop that sells both. Despite selling a roughly equal amount of each, we send back 5-6 times as many EC9s to Taurus G2c's. The revolver's/1911's are still solid, but Mayodan's QC has taken a hard hit lately.

I have some 1” SCH 80 steel pipe and end caps rated to 3000 PSI. There’s no chance a black powder muzzleloading shotgun made from this could explode, right?

>>678415

.338 is where its at.

>>678436

Find a copy of lymans blackpowder reloading, has pressure tests in it. 3000psi is pipebomb levels iirc.

>>678411

Watch vid related. tl;dw is that the French managed to suppress entrenched Maxims with a firearm that had a RoF of 240 shots/minute, overheated after a few hundred shots, and had a magazine that holds less than 20 cartridges. Of course they also had rifle grenades to quickly take out the suppressed machine gun nest, so they didn't have to keep up the firefight for that long.

>>678443

I'd just go with the pmags.

>>678443

I have older PMAGs that won't seat inside the magazine when fully loaded to 30 rounds

the Lancers I have do however. I would assume newly made PMAGs don't have that issue but I don't have any experience

with them, Lancers also have metal feed lips if thats something you care about.

>>678443

I have many of both, both work fine. I prefer pmags just because they are much easier to load with stripper clips the spoon is wobbly on lancers but stays firmly in place on pmag.

>>678443

Lancers have metal lips, if you think that's worth the extra money go with lancers. If not go with pmags, they'll both do you fine.

>>678443

surefeed/surefeed E2 master race

>>678443

M3 PMAGs will do you just fine. ETS magazines are arguably better than both but a little more expensive.

>>678191

Thanks anon, I went to confession, will probably read from the book today.

(I still plan on using a chainsaw this summer to release my testoserone fuel storage)

>>678619

Her stock scratched up my cheek and she blew gas into my face. Did not enjoy.

You should've saved the money and used it towards an AUG.

>>678620

That's what you get goyim, it's to remind you of the 60 gorillion

>>678619

I hear they gas you, oy vey. But for 700 bucks that's a pretty damn good deal.

>>678621

Good thing I didn't actually buy one. Only tried a friend's. Still sucked.

Not a fan of bullpups anyway, save for maybe an AUG or a Groza

Now I have a k98 with three waffen marks to keep the juden away.

>>678633

Zoomers

>>678633

What the fuck is a "yeet"?

Is it another invention of judeo-negroid culture on par with dabbing, twerking and ebonics?

>>678636

>yeet

Niggerfied version of yeeyee, I think.

>>678636

>>678635

>>678633

You guys just got YEETed on!

>makes you wonder what the world will look like when zoomers turn 50

"Aw geez Harold, you took my walker!"

"Sorry, not sorry Doug, you just got YEETed on fam. I'm gonna dab my way back to the nursing home now"

>>678633

I might actually buy one if Problem Solver wins, purely for the memes. As long as problem solver is written on the slide.

>>678659

Yeah, they're alright. They don't have the best protection but they are essentially just armored landing craft. Think like a modern LVT, good for moving troops between all your islands with a modicum of protection and good for light infantry engagement, but don't expect it to be like a Bradley or something. It's for moving troops across water and a bit inland. All they have is an M2 and a Mk19, so unless it's a pickup truck, don't expect anti vehicle capacity. Unless you gyro niggers strap some tow missiles or something to it.

>>678659

>ΑΑV-7Α1

Adding to my other post, they are essentially just big m113s. Same armor and such.

>>678667

>Unless you gyro niggers strap some tow missiles or something to it.

We strapped ZU-23-2s on old BMPs so I can see that happening

>>678440

.338 federal doesn't make me smile as much, and .338 win mag wouldn't fit the bolt face.

I was originally considering 45-70 auto like pheonix arms did, but I wasn't willing to turn the rim down for every shot. (because brass-mangling roller-delay)

I considered doing Grendal using some PTR 7.62x39, but I didn't have a good magazine solution. I looked at 22-250, but don't want a pinned and welded barrel getting worn out in ~2k rounds.

I currently don't have a big bore rifle, so .358 win it is. it looks like it will do most of what I wanted out of 45-70, but with less hassle.

>>678690

>so .358 win it is.

I lost track of the narrative. Have you looked at 45 RAPTOR ? Pretty much 762NATO brass made into straightwalled pistol brass, shoots pretty much like a 45-70, I think.

been looking for a scope for my ar-15. itll be nothing more for at the range, so i really dont want to spend more than $50 on it. im just kinda bored of my MBUS sights. been thinking of the simmons truplex for around $40. any recs?

>>678706

>$50

conserve your shekels for a primary arms micro advanced red dot at about $120-150 usually. or what >>678709 said if you must have a variable power scope.

>>678706

I recommend a Monstrum P330-B Marksman 3X Prism Scope, you can find them for like $80 and they are pretty solid. They also look nice, built tough too.

Just moved to a slightly rural area with a creek for a backyard. I would like to get a lever action rifle to handle varmints. I’m weighing my options between .45-70 and .30-30. Keep in mind, i’m not going to spend Winchester money on one. Looking to stay reasonably priced so I can keep saving for other guns. Main uses will be for wild hogs, deer, coyote, and possibly alligators. Anyone have any experience or recommendations? Looking at Marlin and Mossberg right now, but the Mossberg’s seem to have a pretty shit rep.

>>678902

>>678902

>varmint gun

>.30-30 v .45-70

For everything you want to drop, a .357 would do comfortably, and would get you more rounds in the mag tube.

If you're dead set between the two of them, go .30-30. Hope you're planning on getting a reloading setup for it.

>>678695

Yeah, I looked at 45 and 375 raptor, but it was a little more obscure than I wanted to go. Plus I found a good deal on a .338 win barrel and jumped on that. I can post pics when it's done if there's interest.

Why did fn go from a left side charging handle with the FAL to a right side charging handle with the FNC?

Does anyone know what earplugs are the ones shown in the video?

funny thing i found was embed

>if you like guns but live in noguns japan theres 2 things you can do

>either visit/move to Guam

>or watch this youtube channel of Japs that live in Guam and own a lot of guns

Guam apparently has gun laws similar to Illinois

>>678970

wtf it reformatted my post with reddit spaces

>>678912

Already have a S&W Model 19 for .357mag needs. The main reason for those two calibers is the possibility of going hog or deer hunting. That and absolute overkill for whatever I need. I do plan on eventually getting into reloading, just have to make the space.

>>678980

Then you have all the more reason to get a lever gun in the same caliber. .357mag out of a rifle barrel will fit your needs quite well, regardless of what the texans think a 180gr hardcast going at 1400-1600 FPS isn't going to bounce off a whitetail or wild hog.

>>668841

Say hello and share a beer

Why don't people take full metal jackets seriously? They worked good enough back in the day.

>>679017

In terms of pistol or in general?

>>679019

Pistol, and more specifically 45 automatic.

>>678990

The point is getting a rifle caliber, bud. Getting another caliber to add to the arsenal, and enjoying one of two classic American calibers. .45-70 or .30-30 is what I am going to choose between

Can someone point me in the right direction for edumacating myself about SEF trigger groups?

I found a PTR with one of those in a gun store earlier today and didn't know what the fuck it was.

Didn't ask one of the guys behind the counters because they get mad as shit every other time I've asked them anything so I don't even bother anymore.

My favorite local gun shop closed within this past year and I'm forced to go to these assholes because they're the only ones within a reasonable distance of my house anymore.

>>679042

It's just a three position selector that's semi-auto on E and F

t. owns a ptr with an SEF trigger group

>>678996

Could theoretically increase accuracy though unless you throw in a red dot in place of that short sight radius, otherwise you just get a short barreled PCC with all it's downsides. In full auto it'd still be worse than a proper SMG due to light weight, excessive fire rate, short barrel and balance. If the brace/stock folds and the weapon is compact enough to carry then it'd be a somewhat viable alternative to a big ass handgun in a powerful caliber like 10mm, assuming it's in full auto and fires something with less recoil than at least 9mm+p, being usable for things like <100m suppressive fire or something.

>>679017

Because they, especially the round nose ones suck, and while they6 suck just as much as they did before we fortunately now have access to better options that suck less.

>>679035

Then get a 45-70, 30-30 is not a huge step up from 357mag in a rifle, as other poster said, with better 357 loads rivaling weaker 30-30 ones. 45-70 is also easier to reload and works better on elk and above, something that both 30-30 and 357 somewhat lack.

>>679035

I won't try to say your wrong for wanting to expand your caliber selection, but at the same time it feels like you're stretching yourself thin for not stacking your guns to your pre-existing ammo. I've got some land in the boonies myself, and have both a S&W 686 and a winchester 1873 clone in 357. Posting a vid that kinda outlines why it's a good pairing, and why I think for your next step, it'd be a reasonable next purchase.

Otherwise, >>679111 brings up some great points: the 30-30 and the 357 both fall in a pretty similar range of game, with the big difference being effective distance. A 357 will drop an elk, but past 150 yards, you're gonna be far less lethal. A 30-30 however, would be as effective at 400 yards to the 357's 150 yards. Neither load however, is gonna guarantee a kill without decent placement, whereas a 45-70 could comfortably kill an elk with any hit save for extremely poor placement.

>>678996

Depends on what your gonna do with it.

If you just want to make it a plinker then yeah theyre fun, but the atf will be breathing down your neck about it. If you want it for home defense than a carbine conversion is better and usually only 50$ more expensive.

I do not recommend them for conceal carry, too slow on the draw and too bulky to hide. And if you plan on keeping it in your car then a carbine conversion is better.

Going to be getting a vepr 12 next month.

What are some recommendations for what to put on it?

>>679455

Get a proper side rail and optic to match.

>>679485

I though vepr 12s didn't have a traditional ak side rail. Just the picatinny rail on the dust cover. How do you install a side rail without fucking things up?

What kind of optic is good for a shotgun?

Assuming the planet is still intact 100 years into the future… Do you think revolvers will still be used or will it become a hobby just like black powder shooting? What about cartridges?

>>679532

The only place where revolver can still shine today is the pocket, because a 5 shot .357 revolver still has more firepower than any self-loader of its size. New projectiles and propellants might change the game though.

>>679488

>How do you install a side rail without fucking things up?

If you know how to correctly drill and tap a hole its simple provided you have the tools to correctly do it, i.e a drill, tap and vice that can hold your shit. If you aren't competent enough for that/don't have the tools, the gunsmith will probably do it for 50 or less.

>What kind of optic is good for a shotgun?

A red dot, not even lying. Its like you're cheating at skeet and trap with one.

Is there an animation or a drawing that shows how the ejector of a typical over-under shotgun works?

>>679737

Can't find one specifically for over/unders but basically it is the same as in this video.

>>679739

Thanks, so it's the same spring loaded system where the part keeping it in place is somehow moved out of the way. It's quite annoying, because there are six million videos about replacing ejectors, but not a single one shows how it works.

Could anyone refer a good guide to cleaning a CZ75B? It's the only fun I have so I don't have a lot of experience cleaning firearms and I want to make sure I'm doing a good enough job keeping it maintained as it was fucking expensive and it's really nice and I don't want to do it disservice. I'm just afraid of spraying cleaner into the wrong cranny or doing something retarded that I definitely shouldn't be doing.

>>679809

You don't need anything specific… It's not some snowflake that you need to take extra care of certain parts. And you don't need to go in depth like to clean out your magazines every time. Just every once in a while is good.

You might want a pick to get by the firing pin block though. Tight spaces and all.

>>679753

I was disappointed. Yeet is some dumb nigger saying that the zoomers started saying. At least Problem Solver was making fun of nig who thought he had a glock

>>679753

FUCKING ZOOMERS

>>679532

Revolvers are mostly a range toy today, though like black powder if they're what you've got you can get some use out of them.

Modern designs have outclassed them in ease of use, capacity and in some cases durability.

>>679539

Revolvers probably won't die because of pocket carry alone. As the Hungary poster who replied to you made out, the pocket revolver is super stupid simple, packs a lot of firepower in a small frame where auto loaders also have low capacity, is vastly superior in terms of street condition reliability (especially with people who don't clean their guns), and the fact you don't have to worry about what shape a bullet you put into the cylinder, unlike the auto loader. It will still be a choice in that category for both professionals and less serious conceal carriers.

Hunters and serious gun guys will continue to use revolvers because of versatility. A revolver can shoot just as well with super light target loads as it does with maximum power loads; a S&W 29 will shoot a 180 grain cast bullet in a 44 Russian cartridge at 700 fps as well as it can fire a 300 grain bullet at 1,000 fps. Handloaders have almost unlimited range, between squib and overpressure at least. Flat nose cast bullets have no problems in a revolver, while the wrong ogives will give auto loaders big trouble. The revolver is also capable of far, far, far greater accuracy out of the box for a standard gun than a combat style auto loader because of fixed barrel. Big cartridges and big power are no big problem in the revolver, pistols want to keep OAL down on cartridges to get them to fit the grip, shorter the better, revolvers don't have this issue. All of this means serious casters, handloaders, hunters, shooters have very good reasons to use them.

They are a cheap gateway into bullseye shooting. An NRA study from several decades ago established the potential for off the rack COMBAT S&W and Colt revolvers to achieve 2.5-3 MOA using cheap Bullseye gunpowder and cheap lead swage bullets in 38 Special. People who talk about how 9mm Luger can be accurate bring up the fact that "muh expensive super match pistol with super advanced handload specifically designed for it can be accurate too" gloss over the fact a guy with a $300 police surplus Model 10 from Buds Guns and a cheap generic handload or match load off the shelf, not designed for the gun, can give him a run for his money! Cheap accuracy is where they excel to this very day.

Which leads to one more point on the combat revolver, they offer a cheap alternative to others for the purpose of a handgun that is both match accurate AND combat reliable. In order to achieve this in auto loaders, they must be custom made and built, usually better models with extremely high price tags. As mentioned, a retuned $300 surplus police revolver is combat reliable and match accurate, something you will never find in a similar price auto loader. A brand new S&W or similar quality offers a lot in this regard for the price you pay. There is a reason why the Manuhurin didn't die out so quick in special forces use.

>>679539

> New projectiles and propellants might change the game though.

HA HA HA OH WOW. The only real revolution in gun powder in the last, what, fucking 70-80 years was better rifle powders that improved the capability of medium bore rifles and overbore rifles. Handgun reloaders have been using the same powders for over a hundred years in some cases, others are 80 or so years old, the newer ones are almost always knockoffs. Look at real factory loads and performance, there hasn't been, and there is no indication of, any powder revolution any time soon. If ever. Bullet design improvements are more important in regard to what you are mentioning, but even then there are limitations. You can only do so much with so much bullet and so much energy.

>>679844

My points above are a counterarguement.

>>679809

cz 75's dont need to be babied, but this is a pretty decent walk through. you can clean it after every range trip, but you can also get away with just lubing the rails and maybe doing a thorough cleaning every 500 rounds.

>>679887

If you live in a place that gets snowy winters, an indoor range has a the potential to get lots of revenue. Especially if you make it ~50 yards or so, which allows people to do a bit of practice with their ARs and PCCs as well as pistols. You could also offer rental services to casuals, or people who want to fingerfuck a gun before buying.

>>679753

>not naming it PS9

Fucking normalfags

>>679887

>I could've cooked you a hot meal

>I'll be praying for you

Abortion is for niggers and libshit sluts with no husband. Yep, I totally believe these subhumane children would cook, pray and do other conservative stuff if raised in fatherless libshit family instead of abortion.

Any NC dudes here? Where do you conceal carry? They have force of law and you could get in trouble if you carry into a place with no guns allowed and you get caught by a government enforcer. So where do you guys carry? do most of the time they ask you to leave if you are caught? or call police? Do you just ignore the signs? How often do regular conceal carryiers get caught?

>>679966

Ruger standard is what you're looking for.

>>679753

i ordered a PSA lower with a Yeet Cannon rollmark for the lels.

yes, i spent $60 on a meme. fight me, poorfags yes, Problem Solver is funnier, but YC is still worth half a lel. blame a lack of streloks rousing the chan troops to votespam

>>679985

Is the barrel long enough to have minimal flare without a silencer?

>>679908

I planned on getting an FFL to rent and sell funs for funds. Looking at the costs, I might start outdoor first and see about building an indoor later

>>679981

Yeah. Boomer range:

>no rapid fire

>doesn't send out keys to his patrons for months after changing the lock

>doesn't maintain the range

>dirt shooting platform

>cover from the rain only because someone else built it for him

>expensive membership fees

Serial registry is a new one though

out of curiosity, do any of you live in a no funz country yet still own a firearm?

>>679988

Yeah. Some models some with a 7" barrel. They're accurate as fuck, enjoy murdering cans at 50 with impunity.

>>679966

Any of your standard's will do the trick, Ruger MKIII/MKIV, Browning Buckmark all have threaded barrel options. Could go out of the way and try to find a Sig/Hammerli Trailside, they're ridiculous accurate and the triggers are phenomenal.

>>679900

Dubs checked. Also I was a bit harsh in my reply,

but I think my point will stand even with the 100 year remark. Blackpowder dominated for 400 years with minor improvements, the smokeless era has seen many old brands remain popular for decades without any real challenges. Bullseye and Unique, both from the late 1890's, is still popular for handgun reloading to the point that Hogdgon got DuPont's old IMR line to reproduce a version of those two gun powders, along with 3 of the colored dot powders from Hercules/Aliant's line from the 1930's, so even new gun powders are copying 120 year old smokeless powder tech. Something could come along and change things up, but if one were to take the long bet that smokeless nitrocellulose and nitroglycirn powders have limitations and other limitations with cartridges might mean those current limits might be about it. We want to replace lead styphenate in primers, yet we can't do that either yet. For all we know, 2400, H110, Unique, Bullseye, et al will still be the major handloaders pistol powders. Maybe not, maybe the revolution in tech will come, but it won't.

>>679966

Also dubs. Do they still make the Hi Standard target pistols? Get yourself an old one if they don't, they are a grade above the rest of the 22 target pistol line, if you want to spend the casho. The triggers are exquisite. Otherwise, what everyone else recommended.

What cartridge would make the most out of a longer barrel in the case of a PCC? I've seen charts before for rifle&intermediate cartridge muzzle velocity with a decreasing muzzle length, so surely something exists for pistol cartridges. I'm thinking something like .40 or 10mm would make the most sense. I feel like the typical reasons for using 9mm don't apply in the case of a PCC, namely felt recoil and mag capacity.

I mostly want to know this since at some point I'd like to build a PDW for home defense, basically an AR pistol w/ a brace. Using an intermediate cartridge indoors, in the dark, and with a shortened barrel seems like an awful idea though.

This isn't meant to be a "caliber war" question (I CC 9mm, so nothing against the cartridge), I just want to know which common pistol cartridges make better use of a longer barrel than others.

>>680217

9x25 Dillon would be the absolute best cartridge for a PCC/SMG. Unfortunately, the only commercially available loadings for it are $1/round Hyper ammunition, which for most people is cost-prohibitive. 10mm isn't a bad option if you go for the full-power loads that are actually 10mm, and not just .40 in a longer case. There's a lot more autism in this vein over in the SMG thread >>628552 if you're interested.

>>680217

Look at http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/

>>680217

>Using an intermediate cartridge indoors, in the dark, and with a shortened barrel seems like an awful idea though.

Get a light, dumbass, and for the intermediate cartridge question, 556 is made to tumble you're fine shooting it indoors as long as you're mindful of what's behind the target and you get hollowpoints.

>>680227

I meant that the flash is going to be aids and the noise is going to give you cancer. Plus out of a short enough barrel, .223 isn't going to be any better than 9mm in terms of energy.

>tumbling meme

.223 is not magic and will NOT tumble at low speeds, further destroying its potency through a short barrel.

>>680222

Looking at the link given by >>680224, it looks like you're right about 10mm versus .40. It's incredibly dependent on the brand and manufacturer. The results from the buffalo bore ammo (which is kind of expensive but could just use that for defense) look particularly impressive. I'll check out that thread.

>>680224

Good link, thank you.

>>680217

357 Magnum.

What are the cartridge dimensions for the .32 Extra Short/.32 Protector? Trying to figure out what cartridge is comparable in length and could theoretically replace it in that Protector palm pistol.

>>680298

http://www.cartridge-corner.com/rimiden.htm

Its somewhere in his list.

>>680416

As in, not in production anymore but still lusted after by fudds and other (((collectors)))? probably an overpriced GI from the CMP

>>680478

A missed opportunity. You should have pushed Ghetto Blaster a lot harder. It's time to make that moniker official.

>>680573

That sounded like some kind of fuddlore to me but I looked a little more and your friend is right. It's more difficult to match boolits to specific polygonal barrels because there are no traditional toolmarks on polygonal barrels. You can still match casings to individual guns, though. And if you're a professional hitman that's A) a suspect in an investigation B) called to the witness stand and C) has your gun in police custody as evidence, you've really already lost, even if you end up going free. To the best of my knowledge, the Gen5 Glawks are still using polygonal rifling.

>>680573

Yes, but consider you'd want to use a suppressor and most aftermarket threaded barrels have traditional rifling. A much simpler option for a hitman would be to have multiple barrels and hide the one used for shenanigans.

/k/'s thoughts on militia groups?

>>680679

Feds, LARPing boomers, and dipshits who get suckered in by both.

>>680722

surround the suspect's last known locations to prevent the bad white goyim from escaping

>>680722

you cut off all exit points from a crime scene

are there any Asian race gun reviewers?

>>680771

Fortunecookie45lc does lots of reloading stuff and also some gun review stuff, though much less of it

>>680834

Steel wool it first before any attempts on anything else. Most of that shit looks like it'll clean off. As for the stock get a dry cloth and see if it comes off the wood.

>>671791

The MTB 36 looks interesting.

>>680834

>>680842

A brass/bronze brush should also take the rust off and be gentler on whatever remains of the finish on the metal.

If I'm not mistaken it isn't illegal to have bomb making manuals. If it really isn't, can you provide me some, please. For fully recreational purposes of course, I'm a chemistry student and interested in specifying in that field.

>>680850

Check the PDF thread. Bound to be something neat-o in there.

>>680827

>>680771

Fortunecookie is mostly a bullet caster channel, but still a great channel overall. He does a good job explaining a lot of points of reloading and internal ballistics. A lot of videos are repetitive, that's the nature of handloading projects. But he's worth a view, especially his more purpose made videos.

Besides the ISSC PAR and the Troy PAR, do you guys know of any other pump action rifle that uses standard AR-15 mags?

>>680984

What’s with /k/s current obsession for pump rifles?

>>680985

Dunno. Lot of /k/ommandos from ban states?

>>681009

Find some pants that you insert pads into. A lot less tacky and you can wear em out if you want.

>>681010

I saw those but the thought of

skin->fabric->kneepad->fabric->ground

doesn't sound good for wear

>>681013

Depends what they're made of. If its reinforced on the front it'll last whatever abuse you throw at it.

How do I adjust the elevation of the front sight on my nugget? It's a standard 91/30 and my searches haven't come up with anything useful.

>>681017

You don't, its arsenal set.

>>681019

Fuck. I'll have to work around that then.

>>680984

Sadly I can't find that one in my country :(

>>680985

Despite the flag shown in my previous post im not a burger and can't have a real AR-15.

>>681021

If you're playing with handloads my best suggestion is to compare what you have to standard ball ammo and figure out where to set your sight too.

do you listen to any podcasts or anything while driving?

>>681196

No, I appreciate a simple drive with no noise playing. I hate it when people use shit like spotify, it's like they need to be constantly stimulated.

>>681311

Checked dubs, my friend. It only seems like modern people need constant stimulation BECAUSE THEY DO NEED CONSTANT STIMULATION. We are all autists, now.

>>681311

>>681347

I find classical music nice to listen to while driving.

Do you guys know if there is any way left to get a phone number that is not linked to any name (or at least not any real name) nowadays?

I'm in the EU btw

>>681375

does the*

Tired, fam

does Kalashnikov Concern know something we don't?

they're releasing 2 rifles that are basically made for export towards civilians. I would assume that unless those have the possibility of going to America it wouldn't be worth the designing and manufacturing. They have also been really "hey america look at our cool new guns, we even let Larry Vickers try all of them" recently. their current mood just feels really marketing heavy.

Any recommendations for books on the Troubles/Irish Republicanism? I'm interested in everything from the revolutionary period to the more recent shit with the PIRA/INLA. Neutrality strongly preferred obviously.

>>681375

On the m109 it's a travel lock for holding the heavy barrel in place to take the load of the hydraulic systems when not in combat. On the strv 103 the barrel is fixed and the whole tank body tilts for aiming and so it's just a forward grip for stability.

>>681375

Gun crutch

>>681371

Technology is compromised, you want safe communication? plain talking is the safest way. If you really need some sort of device I'd use one of those baofeng transceivers and use them on different areas so that you can't be triangulated, and once it's not needed you dispose of it.

Anyone got a copy of Magpyl Dynamics Art of the Tactical Carbine Volume 1 disk 3 as a single video file?

I've been thinking about foxholes lately and I stared wondering, why are there sandbags outside of the hole? I know they're the best at stopping incoming fire, or to be used to stabilize rifles on them but isn't the purpose of a foxhole to be concealed? The sandbags kind of give off your position. Also if the answer is because of head shot protection why not just dig the foxhole deeper?

>>681622

>>681625

The dirt you dig has to go somewhere. With the sandbags or a dirt mound you get a higher wall without digging as far and you can always pile extra dirt outside your wall of sandbags for concealment. Without the sandbags you have to move the dirt you dug farther away or it can fall back in.

Dug dirt can be a different color and stick out by itself too.

Nothing has to be by itself.

>>681622

Imagine you are in shitland and the water table is super, super high. You start digging in and 8 inches down you hit water. Do you keep digging to keep the hole as concealable as possible, or do you start to pile stuff up to make a barrier? There are torrential rains during the night and drainage can become an issue. What do you do when you can't dig deeper? When you may have already dug deep enough? Dig deeper into the soil, eventually in the right soil it beings to cave in on you or flow back in?

Static heavy defensive positions eventually lead to a situation where a better entrenchment is superior to a neat little foxhole. Your picture in post >>681625 is of a heavy built defensive dug out, not a foxhole. They are better off with a larger, deeper, better protected entrenchment here. In heavy assaults, you are better off with something large you can maneuver in, use heavier weapons, stock supplies and ammunition, ect. In a heavy assault on more open ground, your "concealed" foxhole won't stay hidden forever, and cover is more important than concealment.

how many magazines fit in the stock of the AR-7? two standard size?

>>681678

Yeah two.

How does ipsc get around Russian gun laws? do some places not enforce as much?

>>681732

Range is club owned, club owns the guns. They've skirted the law like that.

>>681734

ahhhhhh ok, thanks.

have any interesting new actions been made recently? something not short-stroke, long-stroke, DI?

I have a chance to buy a CZ 75 sp01 with 1000 rounds through it and 5 18 round mags. Any idea what price range i should look for or if i should stay away cause gun is shit or something?

>>681861

Just to clarify, you're asking about the regular SP-01 (steel frame), and not the phantom variant (polymer frame)? Would probably guess about 400. Less if its the phantom, of course. I wouldn't bother with used if they want anymore than that, personally, as new can be had for under 600.

SP-01s are fantastic guns, they're just regular CZ 75s with a full length dustcover + rail, and meprolight tru-dot sights.

>>681861

pretty sure like 80% of /k/ owns a cz75 style pistol

>>681861

~700 give or take given the mags and potentially any other work done to it.

>>681909

I'd stick to a proper bag if you're doing paper punching.

>>681868

Damn. It got sold.

I found a Eibar for sale locally, .32WCF? I have NEVER heard of this lol.

>>681933

Are you just hunting for a used pistol? Is there any reason you can't buy new?

>>681933

.32-20, an old blackpowder round. Still loaded for antique SAA's and cowboy action shooters. It's a decent enough performer, but uncommon and basically obsolete.

Theoretically speaking, how would chainmail made of modern steel fare against fragments and bullets? I'm mostly interested in the former.

>>681943

I've wondered this too, and I like how you are putting emphasis on fragments since they do the bulk of the killing. One thing you need to clarify though, is how is it linked? Is it riveted or butted? I can't see either holding up to much force. (Certainly not butted.) Could modern links be welded or something? Considering chain mail still exists for protection against knives yet sees no use for fragments/bullets would suggest to me it doesn't really do anything better than existing soft body armour.

>>681934

Yeah. its called being under 21 but older than 18

>>681948

>One thing you need to clarify though, is how is it linked?

Obviously the way that is the stronkest. I really don't know much about the capabilities of chainmail, that's why I'm entertaining this idea in the first place.

>>681960

The lack of DFC is so wrong that everything else pales in comparison.

>>681960

>stockless shotgun

>probably carrying the ammo in the bag, very unefficient and clumsy, needs lbe

>one handed shooting with the tec-9

>not having the hair tied up

>ribbon in the middle is a pull hazard

>>681960

Anyone else think here think her breasts look strange? Maybe its just tthe way the artist tried to draw them in motion, but they just look misshapen and lopsided to me.

>>681962

Just buy a p80 frame and a slide/parts kit.

>>681960

she's using a rustington shotgun firearm

Does anyone have the FRESH FRUITS video? I can't find it anymore and I feel like a retard.

>>681960

The Tec-9 isn't jammed.

>>681960

God I wish that were me

>>681885

>the u.s. documents that the system is easily fouled and is switching to the short-stroke hk416

You ever consider that this might be because Heckle My Koch lobbyists have more shekels than Colt lobbyists?

Can any one point me to some FMJ 7.5 Swiss? Gunbot and ammo seeker searches have only brought up soft point 7.5. Appreciate it!

>>682008

that adds to the joke. There's never been a system with this much rigamaroo surrounding it

How do i tell if an sks has had the internal modified for chink shit? I have an offer for a yugo sks for 230 USD

>>681980

you better have a vpn

Honestly i hate the glocks for what they are the EIBAR is fucking 80 dollars and i can black powder like a dumbass

Tannerite (Ammonium Nitrate + Aluminum Powder) will explode when hit by a projectile moving at a sufficient velocity.

Will other plastic explosives (ex: C4, Semtex, etc.) detonate in a similar manner, or is this phenomenon unique to Tannerite?

>the goal of the g3 was to make a very cheap rifle for the time.

>the mp5 came from the g3.

>the ump45 was made to be a cheaper alternative to the mp5. so cheap they had to recall them in 2000

was the mp5 more expensive than a g3 even though its the same system just smaller? or was the goal of the ump45 to make something just as cheap as possible?

since the u.s. has military.com, what would be the Russian equivalent of that site?

>>682076

>anarkiddies think vending machine sells anything but absolute dogshit

>still requires IDs

Lul

>>682033

The tannerite explodes like that due to the Al powder. Al acts like a high/primary explosive when unoxidized and with enough impact. Look for other touch sensitive explosives.

t. Chemist and totally not ATF

>>682076

Yeah, this one he--

>>682085

Leaf beat me to it.

>>681387

They might be hoping for enough people to get angry at the government when they realize all the cool stuff they're seeing can't be imported, unless the new facility in Armenia is going to make them for export or something.

>>682001

Vid related.

>>682009

I think the only options until more Prvi gets imported (supposedly in summer according to an SGAmmo email from months ago) is buying GP11 from Edelweissarms or gunbroker, or reloading.

>>682089

>Edelweiss Arms

Hadn't heard of them. They still had bricks of the stuff. Thanks!

Please somebody tell me I don't have to buy a bunch of cowshit to get Nitric Acid

>>682085

That is amazing. Thank you.

Anybody here good with editing wikipedia?

I'm trying to restore https://web.archive.org/web/20171114081431/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_rifle#United_States

to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_service_rifles

It would take too long to rewrite everything.

is there any quick way to take the info from the deleted web.archive wiki page and put it on the new one?

>>682248

nevermind figured out a trick using an edit of the archive editing the old archive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_service_rifles

>>682251

I restored it from a point in 2016.

Can any of you help me get it updated to 2019?

Are gas mask and gloves sufficient for countering any threat that can be sent in an envelope?

Whatever happened to Simo's Mosin? Did it get put back in some government armory or is it in a museum?

Has your autism ever prevented you from making intelligent purchases? I just can't bring myself to buy a pistol if it has a polymer frame.

>>682352

>buy pistol

>sell the polymer frame

>use your autism to create a steel frame yourself

>>682352

I've shot both steel and polymer frame, and I prefer metal. Its not autism, its the fact not everybody eats the shit they get shoveled down their throats by advertisers and whatever the top brass "sez is bestest".

>>682344

what are furries goal in life? they all end up killing themselves anyway. what gets them out of bed knowing that its their own hand that will kill them?

>>682411

pfft I've been practicing blowing my brains out with 22 lr. surely that's got to be better than a bonus to disease immunity

>.38 Special

<.357 Magnum

>.44 Special

<.44 Magnum

>.45 Colt

<???

Is there any cartridge that's just a uploaded .45 Colt?

>>682413

410 bore :^)

>>682413

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.454_Casull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.460_S%26W_Magnum

>>682337

Didn't he get to keep it? I think he lived as a park guide or hunter to old age.

>>682394

That's not quite true, furries and trannies have one other thing in common: you're not both fags

I'm looking for a handgun round that can be paired to a lever action that in said lever action, would be strong enough to take down an elk within 200 yards. I'd be willing to get handloads going for it, if it meant giving it that needed power ; provided it wouldn't destroy the rifle. I've read that a .41 magnum revolver is cast from the same frames as .44mags, which means they have more metal to the frame. This should make them really able to withstand some particularly hot loads, but do lever actions work the same? I'd like to be able to 'dial it down' with some much lighter loads as well for smaller game and varmint. What's a good round that fits this bill?

>>682725

44mag is good for Elk provided you aren't shooting past 150 yards. I've knocked one down with a standard 240gr softpoint, it didn't walk too far considering I smacked both lungs and nicked the heart. It can be loaded for pretty much anything bar moose.

>>682727

>ywn own a revolver carbine chambered in 357 supermag, firing 38sp/357mag/maxi rounds with custom loads to get the most optimal setup on any game

>ywn pair this with your 357 supermag revolver in 5" barrel for maximum balance of carry-ability and accuracy

Same rant as above, but in 445 supermag.

Still researching 414 supermag, but likely the same rant.

Honestly, the 357 supermag sounds on paper exactly what I'd want/need. I smaller profile for getting long distance shots accurately, and with more than enough power and weight to put down anything in my neck of the woods.

>>682751

Now that I think of it wouldn't .454 casull be a good combo as well?

>>682502

200+mm is overall length, don't know which model they mean though. You could get a rough estimate of vertical height by overlaying a luger 90 degrees on top of another one and measuring where it ends.

>>682753

the jump in revolver size of a 357 magnum to a 357 maxi/supermag is negligible (probably why they kept blowing up), whereas going from a 44 mag to a casull is a very noticeable upgrade, and not something that comes in a shorter barrell. The other big issue is that your "small" alternative is a 45 colt, which is neither cheap to fire, nor particularly reasonable to shoot at small game like rabbits. in a custom loading scenario, I'd probably just upgrade to a 460, since I've read those fire 44 russian loads, which seems to be much lighter. Haven't looked much into 44 super variants, as a 44 with a 300 grain bullet custom loaded to up the heat can do some real damage, just not necessarily accurately past 100 yards. I think Hicock called that load "a poor man's 45-70", but I think he said the same for his 45 colt loads as well in a different video.

>>682753

>>682751

>>682755

44 Magnum is the true barrier of standard pistol cartridge and sub novelty super magnum. Truth is, most popular 44 Magnum factory loads are medium powered, because its more than enough to kill what needs to be killed in a revolver or a pistol caliber carbine. Its been kinda the notion that the only folks who use super heavy handloads for 44 Magnum are silhoutte shooters (who usually get sick of the punishment after enough rounds and years) and handgun hunters. Many 44 carriers use light 44 Magnum or outright 44 Special. The rifle can handle hot loads well, and the energy gain from the longer barrel is enough to kill what needs to be killed within the range that the ballistic coefficeint and killing range of those bullets can be accurate and ethical for hunting at.

tl;dr The 44 Magnum is still considered perfect, not because of Dirty Harry, but because its an inherently accurate cartridge that works well at low and medium power, and high power if needed, but even its upper limit is actually too powerful. If 44 Magnum's upper handgun power is excessive, that makes everything above and beyond hunter specific/meme grade territory. In rifles, the pistol sized bullets lack the ballistic coefficent and sectional density to be much good on bigger game, and still have problems shooting flat and accurate at range even as you crank up the velocity. Going above and beyond 44 Magnum simply offers little to nothing, except for serious hardcore handgun hunters. I'll give maybe a concession to the 500 Magnum simply because its size and possibility with weight of bullets can be in a category of performance on its own.

A 460 Magnum rifle? At some point, kids, we just have to be honest with ourselves and buy a fucking 45-70 gubmit, or a 35 Whelen, or even a fucking 30-06. At some point we're better off with a real rifle, rather than trying to keep pumping up a pistol cartridge with light for caliber bullets to do something its not good at. A 30-06 with 220 grain soft points is a better alternative, anything 35 Whelen, anything 45-70, hell another old school cool option for lever guns is the 38-55 Ballard. I've killed a deer with my 375 H&H with cast bullets and tamed loads, putting in in league with super magnum handgun power, albeit with better BC and sectional density.

I like your guys's thinking a lot of the time, and I agree on some of it, but there are good reasons things are the way they are.

>>682762

I agree with you on pretty much all of this. My intention was to to be ablet to theoretically load anything on hand into either of my guns. I felt going over 44 mag was counter intuitive to my scenario of mostly varmint hunting, while ocassionally getting a deer or elk. I don't like the idea of having 3-4 guns to cover my weaknesses, and always feeling like the gun I'm currently traveling with, isn't the ideal one for what I intend on killing. Just earlier I ran out hearing dogs barking near my coop, only to find out my 357 lever action that I had been practicing with wasn't needed for a dog dispatch, but I did have a ground squirrel come out near my house that I would have popped if I had my air rifle or 22lr…hell, even in 38sp, but I didn't feel like going deaf over a squirrel shooting 357. I changed out my ammo to 38sp, and put an ammo sleeve on the stock with some 357 just in case, but my point is I'd prefer my "ideal" setup to cover all my weaknesses.

I found out taurus makes a variant of their judge called the raging judge, which fires 454/410/45c. If they ever put that revolver carbine into action with that setup, I'd think you couldn't ask for a better setup for my sort of living (I'd probably go just normal judge on the revolver).

Anyways, you're right but not necessarily correct in saying how others should or should not prefer their weapons. I think having two guns that you know how to handle well beats having 3 or 4 you have to adjust to each time.

>>682762

>220gr .30-06

Is that even loaded commercially anymore?

>>682763

I've used my 357 Magnum 1894ae for general hunting, tried 38 Special and just plain high power 357 Magnum, just eventually stuck with the magnum loads. At some point the 38's will work here and there, but sticking to one load will make sure your dope never changes. 158 grain magnum soft points tear animals to shreds, but it always shoots nice and flat, too. Lately been doing more the Tommy gun for skunks and whatnot, being subsonic, but it would be fun to whip out the old lever gun again.

>>682768

AmmoSeek sez both Federal and Remington offer there classic, old as the hills heavy bullet soft point 220 grain loads from the factory. Remington can be had in the US for $0.65 a round (before shipping rape).

>>682781

You are in Danemark, can you go to the local HEMA club and ask for shortswords or something?

And tbh, just get a good machete.

>>682784

I'm not in Denmark, that's a VPN.

Idk if a machete would be as good as a quality sword at slashing kebabs, that's the thing.

What's a good machete anyways? I looked at the Cold Steel machetes and they look really cheap and their edges look terrible.

>>682788

Just check your local knife store.

Me I use my locally made one with a wood handle, no brand.

>>682762

> Many 44 carriers use light 44 Magnum or outright 44 Special

I've read that hotter .45 Colt is nearly the same as milder .44 Magnum, and that beats .44 Special. Wouldn't that make it good enough for a carry gun? If we ignore the price, of course.

>>682768

I bought several boxes of Sako bonded soft points in 220gr just over a month ago. so I'd say yes.

>>682796

I think the reasons that a lot of 44 carriers carry 44 instead of 45 Colt are a few. People who like to carry compact, which is common in the modern era as the revolver is displaced by the autoloader for duty carry, or as a backup to a duty gun, will choose a smaller frame big bore revolver like a Charter Arms or even a medium frame revolver like a S&W L frame or Ruger GP. They can get a 5 shot 44 Special/Magnum into a smaller gun that you simply can't get with a 45 ACP or 45 Colt. 44 Special, especially, won't die for this reason for conceal carry, because 45 Colt is literally out in the cold here.

As for full frame 44 Magnum or old fashioned large frame 44 Special carrying people, which includes myself sometimes, you have an extremely good question. The 45 Colt is slightly bigger and bigger size helps do better damage, means an expanding bullet starts off larger and doens't have to expand as much to gain the same final expanded diameter. I'm sure this is what you are after, and its something to consider. "45 Colt is objectively superior to 44 Special or Russian" is a solid statement.

I think the reason why some of us still carry 44 Magnum is the fact that we can safely use medium power loads, not too powerful to handle in combat, yet powerful enough to give us an advantage we are after, that we can't safely get out of a 45 Colt "cooked up" in hotter loads. You want to carry a S&W N frame revolver, and want big bore performance in the 300-500 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy range? Maybe consider getting that Model 25 Colt 45. Want a big bore and have a muzzle energy 600-900 ft. lbs. because you can handle loads in that area in terms of recoil and blast, you better stick with the Model 29 44 Magnum. The 44 in this case is super safe and well under maximum loads to get what you want, the 45 Colt is pushing the limits till they break.

As for the 45 Colt itself, if you want to carry a large frame revolver its probably one of the very best. Top notch, with expanding bullets, and if you must use non expanding bullets its one of the very best. Even as a revolver guy, I think the SAA is obsolete, but the cartridge itself in a modern revolver is a big, but extremely capable and respectable choice, for self defense.

>>682789

I'm willing to bet that in the only local knife store that I know of they only sell factory made stuff from brands

>>682394

Why do these suicidal fags never post videos of them shooting at the range? Is it just all airshit?

>>682908

Because they likely would not be allowed on the range dressed like that, they'd need to go somewhere innawood or something to shoot, and, it's quite unlikely they live somewhere with innawoods.

>>682922

Ruger

Since I live out in the country, I carry my rifles on a daily basis, even if all that is is walking around the large yard or between houses on the property. I noticed that my neck started to hurt, and I carry my PTR91 with the H&K leather strap, around my neck for ready purpose, as its intended. I do manual labor, I lift weights, so other things may have contributed, but I could tell that when I changed to shoulder carry and laying off the rifle for a while altogether or changing to other rifles with shoulder only slings, my neck started to hurt less. So…..

I don't suppose anyone else has any experience with this, or any military reports on two point slings and stress around the neck when carried a certain way? Or does all the heavy shit the modern heavy infantry carry in service means they can't trace down what things cause service non combat injuries like neck and back problems? Anyone else have any issues with the way they carry their rifles?

Looking for a space/weight-efficient 5.56 backpack rifle (only has to be space efficient when disassembled). Preferably cheap, my initial assumption is just a carbon-fiber AR15 with some kind of aftermarket stock.

>>682268

Not a lot of people here are into that, come to the deterrence dispensed honeypot keybase https://keybase.io/team/det_disp

>what is keybase

Autistic /tech/-tier software for encrypted communication and file sharing, in this case mostly used for sharing .CAD files of mags and guns.