d0df8b No.146583 [View All]
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0f2ad3 No.147046
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f46c70 No.147047
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894747 No.147077
>>146583
I see a big flaw in the study: the "ketogenic diet" included 5 meals a day which completely misses the point. A high fat meal will keep you sated (not feel hungry) longer which makes it practical to space out meals, which means the body has a chance to draw on the fat reserves.
Caloric intake being equal, most people can easily go on 2 low-carb meals a day, 12 hours apart (breakfast+dinner). Try that with a carb loaded diet (again same caloric value) and you'll typically get cranky and in need of a nap after 3-4 hours if you don't get snacks.
>Sample (((ketogenic diet))) menu
>Breakfast
>Morning Snack
>Lunch
>Afternoon Snack
>Dinner
See "supplementary data" of the underlying study https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/104/2/324/4564649#supplementary-data
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54591c No.148473
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5f06cd No.148483
>>146592
There's no way this isn't bait. You forgot to also say that you think eating high cholesterol foods gives you high cholesterol too.
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b19177 No.148660
protip you can burn fat fast eating nothing but sugar and oats.
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b6b8b1 No.148674
>>148660
i believe a 16-20 hour fast with a 8-4 hour feeding window will be the best combined with keto.
but still, the main thing for people
is getting rid of processed bullshit and adding more veggies
so clearly cutting out "carb carbs" that you DONT need
for energy storage with help anybody lose weight
and especially for men, the anabolic effects of intermittent fasting is gr8 for testosteron
PLUS lifting weights
???
profit
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b6b8b1 No.148675
>>146583
OP do u even read?
the supposed scientists make money off of people being
sick and plus sugar is super cheap
so obviously they want us eating sugar
but the main thing that they got wrong
because they DONT workout like most
/fit/ tards, is that carb intake equates to glycogen storage.
read a fucken book faggit
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120596 No.149619
>>146583
Nice half truths carb industries
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52af3f No.149620
Seems like every year this same old shitty gimmick comes back with a new name duct taped onto it. Why does a diet that works so well need to be constantly re-named and re-branded over and over again? Unless people try it out and get some temporary short-term weightloss and then suddenly just gain it all back again plus extra with a side of some kidney and liver problems, I don't know why the hell it would be necessary to desperately scramble to be forgotten as quickly as possible literally Every. Single. Fucking. Year. and then hurry to re-name the whole fucking thing and throw it out into the public again and scream "WEEEEEEEEEEW NEW FAD DIET BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHHS THIS IS THE NEW SHIT! DEFINITELY BETTER THAN LAST YEARS SHIT BRUHHHHHHHH!" and watch every fucking dumbass stacy, chad, and desperate walking hamplanet landwhale fatty mcbutterpants FAT FUCKING FUCK jump back on the retard bandwagon yet again for the 10th fucking time to try and become the flawless image the magazines and celebrities constantly shove down their throats. How many fucking times will they come out with a new name for the same old SHIT? How many fucking times will retards fall for it? I know the fucking answer. Forever, right?
If it works so god damned well, then why do they take it down and put it back up again over and over? I swear it's like when they come out with some shit on t.v. and try to sell it for a hundred bucks and then take it down off the shelf and put it in a new box and sell it to me a couple years later for ten dollars.
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4bf9fe No.149622
>>146592
This is correct. While lipids go straight to fat cells from bloodstream, lipogenesis from carbohydrates is inefficient. Yes, insulin prevents fat cell access but only for 2-6 hours after meal.
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e14430 No.149623
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43dc6e No.149632
>>148473
>>149620
>paleo is keto
No, especially if you consider a chimpanzee diet to be paleo.
>>148675
>doesn't understand English
>doesn't have any arguments
You sound like a flat earther when he says "research flat earth", you schizo nigger
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bee55a No.149636
>>149632
>accuses others of not knowing how to read
>cannot into reading comprehension of the point
No, Anon, you are the schizo niggers.
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1a64fe No.149639
Good. Maybe now these keto animals will stop stinking up every gym in the world.
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4a4db1 No.149646
>>149639
Until the next high-fat-low-carb fad diet arrives.
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add267 No.149651
>>149639
I always thought it was the vegans who were the smelliest, thanks to all their belching and ass-ripping thanks to their digestive system running like a v6 maintaining >90 mph in its desperate attempt to extract calories from several pounds of plant matter on the daily.
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9934cd No.149654
>>146591
excessive sugar, fat, protein calories makes people fat. Why don't people understand this simple concept?
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814c37 No.149655
>>146583
My cousin went on a half-keto diet. By that I mean he does two weeks full on keto + cardio exercises, two weeks of detox and normal dieting. He's dropping some major weight but I'm fairly sure it's also killing his internal organs slowly over time. Though the fat fuck was like around 120 Kgs when he got started a few months ago.
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4bf9fe No.149663
>>149623
>Carbohydrate metabolism and de novo lipogenesis in human obesity
>Respiratory exchange was measured during 14 consecutive hours in six lean and six obese individuals after ingestion of 500 g of dextrin maltose to investigate and compare their capacity for net de novo lipogenesis.
>RQ exceeded 1.00 for only short periods of time with the result that 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) of fat were synthesized via de novo lipogenesis in excess of concomitant fat oxidation in the lean and obese subjects, respectively.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/45/1/78/4694929
I've been trying to find better papers on subject as that 1% fat yield via lipogenesis pathways from pure carbohydrate is ridiculously low. If you find any pass them this way.
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4bf9fe No.149664
>>149654
CICO is invalid model for humans which are complex biochemical entities regulated by environment, hormones and microbes whose cells and organs require different nutrients to work. At best CICO is scientificy sounding repetition of don't be a glutton, but usually it's misleading distraction.
>>149655
Why do you think that kills his organs?
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4bf9fe No.149688
>>147033
>high protein and high fat diets satiate hunger and carbs don't do this well.
This is horse shit and anyone can try it at home. Make pasta, eat. Take note when you've had enough. Next time make pasta but toast it in any fat, then eat. Take note when you've had enough. That's the reason food industry splashes oil in every food product, it makes people eat more.
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235f84 No.149692
>>149688
This is the dumbest post I've ever read
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4bf9fe No.149696
>>149692
Where is the lie? Two examples of highly palatable foods: french fries have on average 44% of their calories as fat, potato chips 56%. That's a high-fat diet.
https://fineli.fi/fineli/fi/elintarvikkeet/32711
https://fineli.fi/fineli/fi/elintarvikkeet/203
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235f84 No.149701
>>149696
>High fat high protein is trash
>You can test this by adding fat to carbohydrates
???
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aaf607 No.149702
Unbalanced diet makes you fat.
Overly tasty food promotes overeating which makes you fat.
You can't fight your leptin-VNM feedback system.
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4bf9fe No.149703
>>149701
Yeah. Or to protein as you insist. Everyone loves a fatty steak over a dry chicken breast, mushrooms fried in butter over fresh ones, fatty cheese over reduced fat etc.
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31afcc No.149704
>>149703
And that's why I love keto. I can eat delicious food to satiety and still lose a shitload of weight. I've struggled with weight my whole life. I was over 400 lbs, and am now under 300 for the first time in ages. I can wear 2X shirts again. I haven't fit into a 2X since middle school. You can call it a fad all you want, but I'm doing this shit for life.
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4bf9fe No.149705
>>149704
Let's make sure we agree on this observation: the more fat content the food has (carbohydrate or protein), the more delicious it typically is, therefore people tend to eat more of it, therefore claiming high fat diet satiates hunger well is false.
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2e629d No.149706
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31afcc No.149721
>>149705
It's definitely delicious, but you can't really eat more of it. You hit the wall pretty quick.
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4bf9fe No.149738
>>149721
Wrong.
>Eating from a range of either high-fat or high-carbohydrate foods, obese subjects voluntarily consumed twice as much energy from the fat items, thereby indicating a weak action of fat on satiation. In turn, this large intake of fat exerted a disproportionately weak effect on satiety.
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/57/5/772S/4715972
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2382e2 No.149744
>>149738
Did they make them eat pure butter or what? Because I can tell you, if my choice was between pure gravy and a loaf of bread, I'd also overeat on the former more than the latter. If you give me cheese and a good steak or some fish, I am at my top-performance for hours, on the other hand. Probably because they have more volume than butter, but also because they have actual nutrients and aren't just fat. This isn't so hard to figure out, literally only eat steak and cheese for a day and then only sweets the other day and then tell me which diets makes you feel shittier.
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4bf9fe No.149745
>>149744
We aren't talking about feels here, topic is: do fatty foods cause you to eat more? and research says yes.
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9934cd No.149756
>>149664
>CICO is invalid model for humans which are complex biochemical entities regulated by environment, hormones and blah blah blah blah blah blah more keto bullshit blah blah blah
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4bf9fe No.149757
>>149756
Keto diets are a perpetual bullshit fad. We agree on that. I'm still absolutely correct about CICO, that's utter bullshit too. We agree on that too, you just haven't realised it.
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ee972a No.149761
>>149745
Research says "pure fat" does that, not "fatty foods".
Also, you know that in this study you cited, people had to rate how satiated they were? Meaning it's a study about feels. Just let that sink in.
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4bf9fe No.149769
>>149761
>Also, you know that in this study you cited, people had to rate how satiated they were? Meaning it's a study about feels
Stop lying, study did both self-assessment and measurements of eaten amounts in clinical setting. Here: "The palatability of the breakfast was immediately rated and subjects made ratings ofmotivation to eat (hunger, desire to eat, fullness. and prospective consumption) before the breakfast and periodically throughout the rest of the day. Energy intake over the course of the entire day was assessed directly by measured test meals presented for lunch and dinner, and indirectly by weighed food records for the period between dinner and breakfast the following day" (p.2)
>Research says "pure fat" does that, not "fatty foods".
Sadly this argument is very similar to socialist mental gymnastics arguing the reason socialism failed everywhere was that it wasn't socialist enough. Post research anyways, I'm curious at which fat content percentage people hit the palatability wall. I don't doubt at all that people won't eat pure fat very much, it's not palatable by itself.
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4bf9fe No.149795
>>149620
This is correct observation. I've began to think this recurring low-carb/keto fad will never end. It is brilliant dupe in a psychological sense.
1. It promises access to highly appetising fatty food.
2. It produces visible almost immediate effect as massive water loss within days.
3. It offers simple one-cause explanation to obesity.
4. It offers simple one-solution to solve obsesity.
5. It's different enough to facilitate tribe formation around it.
6. It encourages and rewards purity spiraling.
There is no way this strong bait ever really ceases to exist. It will always pop back up to lure people.
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17c05e No.149797
>>149769
>>149795
>lost 55kg in a short amoung of time doing keto + intermittent fasting because never hungry on keto
>managed to keep weight off for over 2 years still doing the same because feeling great and no hunger on keto but ravenous hunger when eating carbs
>finally realize i fell for a fad diet thanks to some mongolian shitposter.
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ae0fe4 No.149798
I'll provide my own experience to this thread since I'm currently on month 8 of keto.
It works, sorta.
The weight loss is slow after the first three months and really, you lose the energy spikes of carbohydrates after meals, which used to be my best motivation to work out even for hours on end.
Your energy gets lowered but kept constant, unless you don't eat enough.
Personally, I'm going to visit a professional to update this diet to one with <100 carbohydrates a day (unlike my current one which is 5 to 15 carbs a day) and integrate more healthy veggies in it.
I miss beans for fuck sake.
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4bf9fe No.149799
>>149797
You're welcome. Once you break that extremely strict diet, and you will, there are no long-term studies on ketodiets because dropout% is 100%, you will balloon right back. Just google for success stories where people tell "I've been on keto for decades!", no such thing, not one, very very weird considering amount of noise ketofags make.
>ravenous hunger when eating carbs
You are insatiable when carbohyrates are mixed with generous amounts of fats. I just ate delicious buttered rye bread with melted cheese and want more of the same fatty goodie. I know I can eat huge amounts of that. Precooked rice and potatoes in my fridge stand still, forgotten, unwanted. I have no craving for them.
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17c05e No.149800
>>149799
Looking at your highly retarded shitposts that completely ignore the point of what is said and actually acting like the opposite was said gives me the impression you are that troll "traveling matt" who used to shitpost on this board the same way.
Even the output you have on this dead board is about the same…
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4bf9fe No.149803
>>149800
It's perfectly clear by now that no such thing as long-term maintained keto diet exists. These keto fads have been on/off with different names for over 40 years but there are no people on this planet who have been on keto diet continuously for that 40 years. So what's the point, hm?
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834e5e No.149848
people dont realize that 90% of mainstream dieting information is geared towards fatasses and NOT people that take action towards their life and are thin and healthy.
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2e4835 No.149849
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6b45cd No.149850
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755f1a No.149851
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d1f4db No.149856
>>149851
What is this, international shitposting hour?
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7c2650 No.149879
>>149636
>cannot into reading comprehension of the point
Nice grammar nigger
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