/fit/ - Fitness, Health, and Feels

Also, talk about different tricks other than steroids to make your body build muscle better and provide documentation.

Here's why cottage cheese before bed might be good:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23768612

>>144873

>4% fat. Nothing wrong with a little fat, as long as im on a strict diet

[laughs in keto]

nice data mining thread OP

>>144875

>>laughs in keto

<<laughs at meme dieting

Im on the ancient greek diet of lentils and broth with a piece of bread

Bump.

Nobody /fit/ wants overnight gains?

The theory behind this is that when you are sleeping you're technically fasting and while you're fasting your body still burns calories so the idea is that by having a slow digesting protein in your gut (4-6 hours to digest) your body will instead use the time to rebuild muscle instead of catabolizing other energy sources. Also you wake up way more satiated and especially if you are doing intermittent fasting, morning routines are much smoother but your first meal is way more satisfying.

Why not just use casein instead?

>>144900

>>poison our bodies with artificial, processed powders that are manufactured en masse by evil corporations

Why not stick to age old methods of nutrition that are proven to work?

>>144873

cottage cheese is disgusting

>>144875

keto is for weight loss. if you are not actively losing weight, there is no reason to be on keto.

>>144877

>lentils

lentils are legumes and therefore slave food

>>144904

Legumes provide valuable nutrient unattainable in other foods. Green beans are essential and also easy to pair with with foods in order to create complete proteins.

Plus jambalaya.

>>144904

Lentils are cheap, high in vitamins, and high in protein.

I'm wary of legume estrogen though.

>>144907

Yea, and cottage cheese tastes good. Lentils are meh, but definetly a good carb. Also america is like mostly middle and lower class but i never see people eating them so the slave food theory is btfo

>>144906

>Legumes provide valuable nutrient unattainable in other foods

doubt

>Green beans are essential

why

>pair with with foods in order to create complete proteins

what?

>>144907

>cheap

worst argument in favor of a type of food ever

>>144959

This is cottage cheese thread

>>144995

Whose ass is in that I wanna fap?

>>145000

Oats are good- low glycemic index, lot of fiber, tiny bit of brotein. Legumes are shit, they are not food, you might as well eat tree bark

>>145024

Glycemic index doesn't matter. Simple sugars are healthier than starches.

>>144995

Yummy

>>144877

I'm on the ancient Greek diet of keto.

>>145081

Keto is great. Been doing it for about 8 of the last ten months did a shit job of keto during November and December, but stuck to my IF and still managed to end up three pounds lighter after the holidays. I've lost at least 75 pounds so far probably more. I started avoiding the scale big time after I got up over 400 lbs without counting calories. I count carbs and that's it. I try not to go crazy with protein, but I don't actually count protein grams or anything. I've only recently decided to start going on walks. All that weight was lost with no exercise. People can bitch about keto being a meme diet all they want, but carb cutting can be traced back to at least Hippocrates, and more importantly, it works.

>>145124

I'm one of the people who dismisses keto all the time. My concern is long term health and the ratio of anabolism to catabolism. I wish you well and hope things work out for you. There can be no doubt that ketogenic diets promote weight loss, but the potential consequences of doing things this way and whether or not it is the right kind of weight which is lost (fat vs muscle for example) is seldom discussed. It is already known that high fat diets raise estrogen, and chronically high estrogen is dangerous to health. In youth, the human metabolism prefers glucose, and in aging, the metabolism becomes more ketogenic. It would therefore be unsurprising if actively encouraging the ketogenic states promoted aging. Weight loss is also a feature of disease and old age.

I don't blame you for taking the course of action you have taken. Society makes it seem like keto is the way to lose weight, and people wanting to take action are going to choose from choices presented to them, but society is largely silent about things which are not fads. An alternative to keto is a low fat diet with a high ratio of saturated fat to polyunsaturated fat, which is potentially difficult for some, because fast food and modern Western food in general is nearly universally high in fat.

Ding, Fan, et al. Early decline in glucose transport and metabolism precedes shift to ketogenic system in female aging and Alzheimer's mouse brain: implication for bioenergetic intervention. PloS one 8.11 (2013): e79977.

https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0079977

>>145124

Good for u. Ketosis works just like fasting. U will lose pounds but lose energy. Carbs are good for.brain function and long/short term energy. I like brown rice and black eyed peas with ground meat in a burrito.

>>145126

I agree. The main reason i dont do that shit is because it is too hard to even out the macros.

My current diet means i just have to focus on getting enough protein for the day (~150G)

that being said, it becomes more easy to round out carbs around the protein, hardly worrying about fat. My fat intake can be anywhere from 10-30%

It can be difficult to binge out on carbs but once u ease off of them a bit, u can get full with protein.

>>145126

Oh I remember you. you're the faggpt that posts shit studies from pubmed all the time and thinks that makes him smart, when he has no idea how to read a study and interpet it's value. HINT:Most studies are worthless.

Eating fat doesn't raise estrogen. BEING fat raises estrogen, and estrogen encourages fat gain. This is not breaking news.

>In youth, the human metabolism prefers glucose, and in aging, the metabolism becomes more ketogenic. It would therefore be unsurprising if actively encouraging the ketogenic states promoted aging. Weight loss is also a feature of disease and old age.

This is some retarded logic. By this logic, obese fucks like me must be the healthiest of all! Is it really surprising a resilient child has better insulin sensitivity? They haven't hammered their insulin receptors for years. There's a reason it's called "adult onset" diabetes. It's like a heroin user that's just done his first dose. It doesn't take much for him to get what he needs. He can easily quit if he wants. his dopamine receptors haven't pulled back yet. After years of heroin abuse, he's shooting up massive doses just to feel normal. Quitting is unpleasant and he goes through a brief adaptation phase where his body learns to function without heroin. It's the same with old people. After years of hammering their insulin receptors, they start losing muscle because their muscles can't get the energy they need. Keto is not age promoting, it is youth restoring. Alzheimer's has even been referred to as type 3 diabetes because it has been strongly linked to lack of insulin sensitivity in the brain.

Glucose it not preferred, it is more highly regulated. Preference is an a loaded term. It means you have two choices, and decided one is better than the other. Since glucose is used up before another fuel source, does that mean the body likes it better? When you get paid, do you spend the money on things you would prefer to have first, or do you spend it on your debts/bills first? By your logic, alcohol is the body's most preferred fuel. It will stop glucose metabolism immediately to metabolize alcohol. Does that mean I should go on a high vodka diet? No. The body prefers to burn alcohol because it is toxic and it's better to get rid of it than leave it around. Guess what. Glucose is also toxic if not tightly regulated. The body wants to keep just enough glucose around for the few things that absolutely require it, and no more. Diabetes patients lose their eyesight and have limbs amputated due to the effects of chronic glucose elevation.

To reiterate, a fuel being "preferred" only really tells us the order, but says nothing of the context.

The problem with western food is not that it's high in fat, but that it's high in sugar and fat, which is a bad combination, even worse than eating sugar alone.

As to the fad aspect, as I mentioned before, carb restriction has been around since Hippocrates, who recommended that those who want to lose weight switch to 'rich' (i.e. fatty) foods.

>>145127

Ah, this old myth. There is an adaptation period when switching to a ketone based metabolism where one may lose energy temporarily, but on there other side, there is much more energy, especially for endurance. Many endurance athletes are going keto because of this. Now I can tell from my energy levels whether I'm in ketosis or not, because when I drop out of ketosis I have less energy.

As for the brain, that's an interesting one. The brain is one part of the body that does need some minimal glucose. Even then, the brain runs very well getting the rest of it's energy from ketones. Some people would even use the "P" word. It's also interesting to note that the brain might not need glucose so much as the resulting lactate from its fermentation by astrocytes.

>My current diet means i just have to focus on getting enough protein for the day

That's basically all I do. Now that I've cut out most carby foods, I don't really count them either. I just make sure I'm getting a decent amount of meat each day, and if I'm still hungry I eat more fat. Most days I eat "carnivore" and don't have any carbs at all. When I do eat carbs, its usually from salad greens, or sometimes heavy cream. It's an extremely simple and delicious diet. Eat meat, not too little, mostly fat.

>>145127

Tl;dr

From the looks of it, yourr one of those people that believe what doctors say

"Insulin sensitivity can be permanrntly destroyed from frequent sugar intake."

Have u seen the world we live in?? There are no forces like that. Some people die for no reason. Others est like shit their whole life and life to be 130. Others punished for eating and living healthy. Hopefully vegans will die by thunder.

Get a brain moran

No cottage cheese where I live; will ricotta do?

>>145572

>Not feasting on grade A home made smegma, a.k.a. "dick cheese", that's high in protein and other minerals, literally purest cottage cheese out there.

Not going to make it, Pedro.

>>145573

Shit. What can I do? How do I make cottage cheese?