/fit/ - Fitness, Health, and Feels

Bas Rutten recommends krav for self defense but why not just learn grappling like jiu jitsu or judo and learn striking like muay thai. Then you know two styles of fighting. Check out Bas self defense series too.

There is a spectrum for martial arts.

The martial (warlike) side is related to combat survival. Knowing how to rip someone's eyes and cheeks off is in this section. A little bit closer to the middle would be MMA where some moves are outlawed but by and large its a realistic useful fight.

In the middle you'll find the gayest people. Sport karate fags who suck NASKA judges dicks. Did you know the requirement for a NASKA judge is whatever the fuck they feel like that day? You'll be getting judged on your kicks from some fat fuck who could never have lifted their leg above their hips.

On the other extreme is the art side

And that's where you'll find things like Martial Arts Tricking. In terms of pure aesthetics, nothing comparea to Tricking. The top 13 year old tricker would shit stomp a gold medal olympian in a floor routine "head to head"

Some of these cats like Michael Guthrie were so far ahead of everyone else back in 2012 that it seemed inhuman.

I too wanted to learn martial arts when i was younger. I did a little bit of cage fighting mma, but i quickly found my passion in Tricking. Here's why:

Clearly defined objective goals:

(Overcoming the fear of a backflip provides your psyche with enough confidence fuel to last a whole year. )

Loosely Defined Subjective goals

(There are "standards" of body geometry for ideal lines in kicks, but no one is forcing you to do anything any specific way. This allows freedom of creativity rarely seen in anything other than skateboarding or something)

It infinitely scales in difficulty to your current level.

(After overcoming backflip fear to feel the same sensation of fear you can work up to double backflip. Then when that's easy, triple… and so forth)

It infinitely scales to your creativity

(Due to the nature of variations, the tricker arsenal can be spread incredibly wide by combining movements from other disciplines)

You can't lie on the floor

(This applies only to the extremes of the MA spectrum. As a musician or modern dancer, the goal is to make the audience believe that you are who you say you are. It's like 90% attitude hypnosis. But someone at the extreme end of MA doesn't have to put on a front for anyone. When the time comes you will see how real they are or aren't)

It doesn't cost anything

(Unlike countless other similar hobbies, this one can be persued in a 3rd world country with no resources or supplies. You could train in a prison cell or yard. If you want you can invest in things like trampolines but they go for so cheap on craigslist)

Tricking has an international community of badasses. Born from the internet, the Tricking community spans the world and typically will help anyone trying to travel with places to train and stay. People from all types of backgrounds are drawn in. Rich girls, poor street kids, internet weebs, jocks, etc etc etc.

Goto youtube and find a move you wanna learn then add "tutorial" at the end. I assure you that the most mediocre of tricker has a stronger and more powerful hook kick than most any pro MMA fighter.

>>143411

Tricking seems like a very good exercise in coordination, agility, and dexterity, but in a fight it just looks like a telegraphed waste of energy. Sure you might be able to generate a lot of force in one kick, but if you have to jump into the air and spin around, any reasonably trained fighter will see your attack coming and be prepared for it. Not to mention that you need a lot of room to be able to execute a bunch of the moves. If you're only concerned about exercise/sport, then it should be a great fit. It also looks like a lot of fun, but I wouldn't rely on it in a street fight.

>>143414

>>143411

is Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do would work on a street fight? Its defensive/offensive stance is great if you are a lightweight. But I think it depends on a person, Bruce said "Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water"

>>143426

I'm pretty sure not being naive and mental/physical (especially constant hate) conditioning is the most important for combat. By not being naive, I mean some obvious stuff like "kicks above the belt are for showing off; you risk your balance too much by using them" or "use eye gouging, throat crushing, fish hooking, kick to the nuts, breaking fingers (very underrated)".

You would never use tricking in a fight. But being aware of your limbs and how to throw them with power is very useful in any situation, like a fight.

Some people are so uncoordinated that they can't do a somersault rolling on the ground. Most tricking hyperhook tricks involve kicking above most people's heads which means that any target below that range is going to be even easier for that martial artist to use in a real fight. If you can kick above someone's head with power then imagine what you could do to their head.

Tricking is not an alternative to martial arts, but a fun complimentary discipline.

>>143888

Taking a punch involves internal pressure and strength. If I tense my body in a powerful way (aggressive not defensive) then I can take hits easy. So if you can aggressively "press outwardly" with your internal pressure (making it external) you can take a hit. It's nothing sophisticated, entirely "primal".

>>143927

how do I build internal pressure? is it just a matter of exercising more?

>>143948

If I were you I would do BJJ but also box in my free time. If you could afford it, do both. I'm new to boxing as well, but from what I know its likely one of the better skills to have in a fight because a punch is a punch, always. If you can throw good punches you'll be able to use them, whereas with other techniques they might not be as applicable in a fight.

In my case, I've been doing a lot of boxing training in addition to going to the gym just to become more fit overall. Soon I will start sparring with my friends for boxing practice. That way I can learn to take punches, block punches, and evade punches well. But even without the sparring boxing is a very good exercise.

Like you I want to go somewhere that has a serious feeling, and that's why I'm also considering doing an actual martial art in addition to boxing.

So my input is to try BJJ but keep working out boxing, and even try to box with a partner if you can.

>>143948

Your best bet IMO would be a gym that has everything under one roof. The place I learned at was a muay thai place with good wrestling and BJJ teachers. It's fun to do everything, and makes you well rounded.

>>143936

Just hit yourself or ram into something and try to "attack" whatever you're being hit by. If you are ramming your stomach into something, get yourself into a bit of a frenzy and "lean" into what you're ramming into. It's primal, just get aggressive and primal and it'll work. Don't try to be smart and time shit – you're trying to attack something with your fucking stomach/head there's nothing sophisticated about it. You should be seeing red/black. You don't need to exercise for this you just need to tap into the ape-shit powers you got. You don't need to move around a lot to be aped.

Ape.

>>143965

I can definitely do that, sometimes I just run into the heavy bags. I also have been swinging the 200lb bag as far as it can go and having it hit into me on the way down, and for me as only 130lb (at least last I checked which was a few months ago) it's pretty forceful. I don't want to be knocked down easily.

and I know this will probably sound dumb but I'm considering dropping weighted medicine balls onto my torso at first to build a resistance because I saw the scenes in Kickboxer (movie) where they do that with coconuts. At some point I hope for my friends to do it to me from a greater height.

I just made a website (mostly because it's fun for me) and I hoped that some of you could help contribute.

martialart.neocities.com

if you could send me links, tutorials, write something for the site, infographics, etc. it would help get this site going nicely. I know I sound like I'm pushing this site hard but it would mean a lot to me if I could get it off the ground and I'd like to be a useful resource.

if any of you are experienced as well, please share some experiences or tips with me. I'd like to put them up on the site.

>>143411

Hey, I'm >>143984 and I was wondering if you'd be willing to maybe rewrite your post a little more formally, I'd like to add it to the website. Right now I think that if I can find some quality posts it will be a good way to get anons' personal opinions and beliefs onto the site.

please I'm begging you

I keep hurting my wrist boxing. And I keep landing punches on my pinky. What do? is my fist wrong to begin with?

>>144266

Think about what the obvious answer would be.

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That's the answer. There are many ways to develop grip, wrist and forearm strength. I suggest you check them out. Your fist will be more solid and rock some fuckers too – getting hit with a rock or a bag of sand that occupies the same volume and has the same weight, which will hurt more? The more you can turn everything solid, the more force is transferred through your punches. Capiche?

>>144279

I'm practicing (now, at least) tightening my fist differently. I'm trying to squeeze the knuckles together so they don't budge and I read up on some stuff. So now I want to work on not bending the bones of my pinky and ring finger. But I'm going to wait for a few days because i fucked my wrist a day ago.

>>144293

http://www.fatbastardbarbellco.com/WELCOME.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R5OBL5B1R0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oYeKKQRT48&list=PLabQneT7-WZElT8oKotmJ_GybgDjYTqbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgsc-L3qbxk

>>144266

What

>>144298

posted is a really good guideline for martial arts - ie: outside of 16 oz gloves

INSIDE 16 oz gloves however:

I've found that it's better (at least for me) to throw to the middle of the bone extending down from your middle knuckle (rather than middle and index knuckles), and letting the shock transfer through the centre of your arm, rather than along the top as with bare knuckles. This also means that the top of your hand will be slightly bent up, but shouldn't either twist up, OR down when doing a big hit. Whereas if you aim for "straight top", there's a tendency to bend your fist inwards in gloves.

Also, you can't fold over the thumb, so you have to hold it more forwards, and off to the side of the rest of your fist. But again, focus on not hitting on top of it / bend it if you can. Ramming a straight thumb in to something is one sure way of injuring it.

Either way, your pinky shouldn't really come in to it at any point. Try practicing hits with gloves on/off but not making contact with your pinky almost at all (while also preserving your thumb in gloves). And pay attention to your wrist bending - particularly on bigger hits. If you can't "not bend", try to slow down, practice form, and only do lighter hits for now.

>>144984

it's one of those things you need a trainer for

>>144987

>grappling

how do you feel about judo? I have the option for a BJJ or a Judo class, but the former seems more professionally-run, while the latter is sorta "run in school gym" mode

pissing around on top of each other seems kinda lame, judo seems more fun to me

>>144988 (checked and heiled)

I think both have their merits and it depends on what they teach. At my old gym, they taught BJJ during my muay thai class. I noticed that they really didn't practice too much standing takedowns. I personally haven't taken judo (though Sambo has taught me a few throws and takedowns), but some schools may not teach a whole lot of ground work. Honestly they seem to go hand in hand quite nicely. Anecdotally, one of the people I train with has a brown belt in Judo and a Purple belt in Japanese Jiu Jitsu. That short fucker can toss my chubby ass quite well and he is a great grappler to boot. I can't really give you a straight answer, but I can tell you that jiu jitsu gets a lot more enjoyable once you start knowing what you're doing.

Since I'm here, do heavy bags have a break in period?

>practicing thai kicks

>throwing them with my right leg

>suddenly pain

>think I just hit a weird spot

>throw with my left leg

>pain again

Does the sand and the stuffing take some time to settle or something? I honestly don't mind it as I want to toughen my shins but it was pretty unexpected.

>>144987

>Do you not have any access to any muay thai gyms?

Did you just want to hear yourself talk? I literally said that already.

>>144988

(checked)

Why?

>>144991

>parents got me a pc and I went to shit

goddamnit this is familiar

Now I am working as a wagecuck and can't go to classes of thai boxing because shifts.

From my understanding, you are supposed to turn your belly button to the direction you're punching. That makes sense when punching with the lead, but are you supposed to just rotate your hips forward when punching with the rear? Seems like an obvious question but I'd like to make sure.

>>145031

Yup. Just like squatting, punches benefit greatly from HIP DRAHVE.

>>143402

Stand up: Boxing and Muy Thai

Takedown: Greco Roman Wrestling and Judo

Ground: Bjj

These will cover your bases in all hand to hand 1v1. Incorporate vitals if you want to maim or kill. Better to this >>143409

>>143948

nogi bjj

Sort of a weird question, but what is best for women's self defense? Don't hit on me silly boys! xD. Seriously though I have a younger sister and I worry about her. I'm kinda thinking about teaching her takedowns, escapes, and ankle locks/heel hooks.

>>144990

I use a heavy bag that's been up for years. Shit's really settled and compacted down near the bottom. Which is where I kick it.

I don't know how you expect to toughen your shins when you can't handle entry-level shit.

>>145812

For self-defense, she should take self-defense classes. And/or firearm.

Beyond that there's a recommendation that women may particularly benefit from bjj style training. The idea being that an attacker may try to rape them, so knowledge how to defend yourself on the ground (or avoid getting there) is important.

>>145818

To be fair I have been training up to this point with banana bags so there isn't necessarily a bottom to them. I can beat the ever living shit out of a banana a bag just fine, so I must have hit the bottom of my new heavy bag. Thanks.

>>145819

Unfortunately I live in the socialist republic of Commiefornia so guns are out of the question. I wonder what the best moves in such a situation would be best. I think a shoot to a single leg takedown would be ok for a girl. If she can keep upright she would have control of a leg. I do know a few ankle locks and heel hooks from that position. A couple knee bars as well.

>>145826

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but a lot of submission fighting stuff isn't all that appropriate for a rape attempt situation. As an example, don't screw around with a key lock or an armbar when the shithead leaves their neck open for a quick punch.

>>145812

knife/pepperspray/gun and common sense (don't walk around alone at night, be ultra aware of surroundings)

>>145878

More or less my meaning.

>>145812

Be racist, I warned my ex not to do refugee work in her college and she ended up stalked and raped (two different instances not same guy)

>>143409

Focus on not squeezing with your little finger. You're drifting to the lower left, probably after 10-ish shots, because you start death-gripping the gun specifically with your little finger(s).

>>146350

Source on both pics?

>>146350

>>146474

Dat Asian is smokin' hot.

>>146350

I want the asian chick to arm bar my dick.

Nippon Ichi

>>146737

>tfw no toned Japanese gf

Anyway, does anyone know the best way to increment the hardness of a heavy bag? My shins are decently tough, but I'm still not ready to hit compressed sand. Do I just hit a bit gentler, or do i shit the sand around a bit?

>>143402

>And another thing, is the (((Krav Maga))) also good to learn? Or is it just another Jew meme?

Depends on the gym, but generally speaking - yes. Especially when it is for self defense. Real Krav Maga was NOT created for self defense on the street. It was a military martial art, for military personnel. It's about fucking someone up quickly, because that is what a soldier has to do when in close quarter combat. It was not made to teach slim women how to defeat an opponent three times their size. Not to say every gym that purports to teach you Krav Maga is bad, just as not every karate gym is bad, even though that's the style that McDojos originally came from.

Also, while we're at this topic: No, MMA is not ultra realistic fighting. It's a tournament martial art. It has a strong focus on grappling and locks because that is what the tournaments will come to. In a real fight, with multiple opponents who might possibly be armed, you will try to avoid wrestling and groundfighting. Also, it uses weight classes. In a real fight, you don't have those. You may have to fight someone thirty kilogram heavier than you, in which case you can probably forget about wrestling the way you are taught about it in MMA classes concerned with creating tournament fighters. Not that you can't learn from MMA, you just gotta know its limitations.

Guys, how do improve punching speed? Any drills you can recommend? I have a feeling it is not so much about technique, my technique is fairly good and efficient, and I have cut out most choreographing. My fist still moves too slow for my taste, probably slower than that of most people with comparable technique. So, I think it is either my muscles being too slow, or my brain not being able to process me taking quicker movements. Possibly, a mix of both.

I was considering doing jumping pushups, and heavybag workouts that emphasize speed, like repetitive jabs. Also, buying wrist weights. Anyone have experience with these options, or have more options to recommend? Thanks in advance.

>>144990

>Does the sand and the stuffing take some time to settle or something?

More like, they can harden after a while. Depends on the stuffing you use. My bag is some foam-like material that easily gets back into shape, but I believe paper is compacted easily.

Don't listen to >>145818, of course you sometimes need a break. If you have a sharp pain in a bone, stop and give it time to rest. Bones are like muscles, in that they harden over time, and in the meantime, they are slightly fractured. Overtrain them, and you are in for a nasty surprise. Doesn't matter whether you're a professional or not. Remember Anderson Silva? Snapped his shin in half.

>>145031

>>145193

Yes, you rotate your hip into the direction of the punch. It's not just about hip drahve, but also leg drahve. In a cross, a straight punch with your rear hand, you bring your arm forward, contract your chest on that side, contract the serratus of the opposite side to further accelerate the punching hand, rotate your hip as described, and move your legs lower and a bit forward. Do all of these, and

>>144279

You're a retard, is the answer. You can have the best forearms in the world and still break your hand or knuckle if your technique sucks. If you hit with your pinky and aren't used to it, or if your wrist is at an angle, then chances are you're gonna break it.

Guys like you piss me off, seriously. You are so obsessed with your fancy motivational pictures about how THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS that you forget to train smart, not just hard. I got close to breaking my hand because I used shit technique and too much force on one day, and I have conditioned my knuckles for years.

>>146733

I've seen video of kali carrying over reasonably well to empty hand fighting.

>>146750

This Anon knows stuff.

>>146751

I wasn't saying that people don't sometimes require breaks. The question was about a break-in period for a bag.

>>146758

Oh, okay, I get you then. My apologies, I misunderstood you, big time.

>>146759

Not a problem.

>>146750

Want to finish it quickly? Use a weapon. Hit, assess the situation, then hit or run as per >>146350

>>143402

The only acceptable form of mma is kickboxing

>>146794

>Mixed Martial Arts

>One style

I'm learning boxing and muay thai, but I lost fitness due to 3 months in a clinic.

>>146821

Sorry to hear that.

Good news is that it's pretty easily recovered.

>>146821

You will get better, don't sweat it.

Recently I got diagnose with spinal tuberculosis, fortunately is in early stage so it would not have a bad prognosis. But it seems that any axial compression is banned from my life.

I guess no more squatting or deadlifting, I don't even know what I'm going to do with my Olympic gear.

>>146938

I'll agree if the goal is to be a well-rounded "martial artist". If the goal is simply self-defense, that sort of thing, "soft styles" are useful if you're going to specialize in them.

Also wing chun is not in any way "soft", nor is it particularly "circular". Perhaps bagua?

>>146938

Who is that on the picture?

>>147054

Photoshop

>>146752

Strengthen your wrists and hands. He already knew he had the problem of landing punches with his pinky, so I made a suggestion for his wrists.

>>147070

yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyJsm2tOPZU

>>146770

Huge man vs tiny nip, Also the "attacker" isn't alive if someone comes at you with intent and you hit them with a umbrella theyre either gonna eat it and stab the fuck out of you or theyre gonna block it and stab the fuck out of you.

best advice just book it you're not gonna beat a man of equal size with a knife unless A he's completely new to fighting or B you have a nice dense stick, or bat, or lacrosse stick, that is longer (reach is the most important part of that) another important thing is that whatever weapon you choose is heavy enough that it cant be taken lightly.

For instance in this video if I have a knife and I want to kill you a umbrella is not dangerous enough to give me pause, sure getting hit with one will hurt, it may cause bleeding maybe even a really bad bruise but with adrenaline in the mix thats not going to stop anything you'd be alot better off with a baseball bat because with that you can break bones and cause very serious damage enough so that you can end the fight with a solid swing.

TL;DR >If you're threatened with a knife run

>if you have anything Umbrella tier its almost useless but its better than nothing

>>147526

He does look very Asian.

>>147694

I believe it's either Systema or Combat Sambo.

>>147694

Gun fu

>>147707

Correct

>>147841

Getting out of close-quarters melee as fast as possible.

>>146750

nah man, i've wrestled for years and virtually everyone on my old team was bigger than me but i can ragdoll most of them. Wrestling is really good, combined with muay thai, sambo and a solid lifting program and you'll be a monster

>>146965

if you can knock someone out with one punch why not compete?

>>147694

its combat sambo, systema is aikido levels of useless

>>147891

gotcha, fam.

Work that body…

>>147180

related to Anna Kuzmina?

SHIN KICK

>>148214

She's an idiot. That's how broken shins work.

>>148218

Except she kicked the bar until it bent and her shins were ok..

>>148344

Sure. Practitioners of my style are known for breaking 2x4s with a single kick. But she is still damaging her shin bones and they will snap.

If this worked long-term, don't you think men would be doing it everywhere? Especially muay thai?

Never saw that dude's leg snap during a UFC match?

>>148370

I can't tell by context if you're aware of this or not, but they're deliberately trying to fracture/damage their shinbones. It's actually a part of muay thai training, because the bones heal back stronger, and then they rinse and repeat. How true this is, who knows, but the idea that "she's damaging her shin bones" is a given, the idea that "they will snap" isn't, unless bone healing is a net loss over time rather than a net gain in fortitude.

>>148386

Which it is. Again, if this worked long-term people would be doing this everywhere. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, muay thai practitioners kick banana trees.

>>148400

Its actually a thing in some military units around the world, where they have the soldiers kick each others legs up to make them stronger.

Some strong men are also practicing it.

>tfw accidentally kneed someone in the face today

>grappling

>manage to get a sweep

>pass guard and trap an arm with my chest

>probably had a few options but I wanted to try for a straight knee bar

>quickly posture then swing my leg

>at the same time he sits up

>BAM

>right on the cheekbone

I felt so bad.

>>148486

That's the norm in pretty much any reasonable martial arts school.

>>148512

It will help you with stunts and etcetera, but you'll learn mostly to dance. Some nice kicks and deceiving techniques here and there, but a real martial artist would kick the capoeirista's ass. Learn judo or something like this. If you like kicks, it's very nice to learn Tae Kwon Do. I know that some of the TKD's hand techniques/blows are widely useful in a variety of situations, since you can use it to throw an opponent's hand that's grappling you with ease. Judo is nice to learn a variety of throws/throwing dynamics and locks, as well as proper balance, and you'll also learn to roll and fall. For hitting, see what you like more, but a combination of boxing and karate moves is very powerful. Combative aikido is also interesting, but only the techniques that can hurt, although it would be useful in a limited number of situations. Regardless, the bigger your portfolio and the better you can transition or adapt during a real fight the more chances you'll have to survive and to kill your enemy.

>>148512

It's great for getting in shape. Good for balance. It's perhaps effective against an untrained opponent, but otherwise just fancy dancing.

first people really need to clarify what they want out of martial arts as a general rule people will throw out mma bjj boxing and muay thai because these are the best martial arts for the purposes of learning how to fight unfortunately theres a lot of grey area in martial arts but you basically have 3 things you wanna look for before committing to a specific club if they dont have full contact sparing avoid it if they have a weird cult hierarchy avoid it and never join any place where the guy running it is a cunt

basic shit

>>148400

>Again, if this worked long-term people would be doing this everywhere

Fiscal responsibility works but nobody does it.

>>148512

Yes, it is. Well, if you want stunts, ginga etc. go to Angola style. Otherwise go with Reginal style.

>>148515

I will love to dance with you someday :).

>>148698

Yes… dance using the "art" created by the people who were dominated completely by the ones whom I descent directly from… Not such a bright idea. You'd probably get BTFO'd like the vikings, the moors and the romans.

>>148722

You descendants, huh? What about yourself, anon? I'm not sure about dead people dancing around

>>147464

>If you're threatened with a knife run

Only a retarded internet tough guy would recommend this blindly. Muggers don't draw knives or guns until they're practically on top of you, murders who aren't using a gun same thing, everyone else has some other goal in mind when they drew the knife out way before they ever got close enough to touch you with it. In the case of a mugging that will get you killed, if you're being targeted and being murdered running isn't an option you've already been stabbed multiple times in the vitals, and the last guy can be dealt with by backing away and not showing weakness like turning your back.

I have basically no experience in martial arts, but I'd like to start. Judo seems rather interesting to me, so I'd like to do that if possible. But from what I've heard, it's not necessarily well-rounded enough to rely on exclusively. I'm 5'6", so I feel like I could hardly on striking in a fight. Do you guys think Judo/BJJ is good enough for a manlet, or is it really important that I get a striking art in? I feel like the preference for Judo is keeping me away from the golden-duo of BJJ/Muay Thai; and I'm not sure Judo will help at all for a fight that goes to the ground, so something like Judo/Boxing might be too awkward. Anyone care to help a noob out?

>>148773

Judo has ground game too and it's a great martial art. Do it.

And yeah, train striking too.

>>148774

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you think Judo/Boxing is a good strategy? BJJ/Muay Thai seem to be the most popular suggestions, so I'm a bit worried about not doing either. Again, I'm very new to all of this, so I don't know if it's possible to do BJJ/Judo/Muay Thai or Boxing. My biggest concern is trying to make fights less of an automatic loss because I'm so scrawny.

>>148776

Yeah, I think doing judo and boxing would be a really good idea. You'll have great footwork and head movement from the boxing, and excellent grappling from the judo.

You'll be quite the force to be reckoned with if you train hard in both of those disciplines. Good luck! Work hard and do your best!

>>148776

>>148779

I want to add: BJJ and muay thai are also great. I don't think it's very important which of these you choose to do; what is important is that you do SOMETHING, so make sure it's something fun that you'll actually consistently train. Get grappling and striking in, and you're good to go.

>>148776

I'm going to explain why I think judo is so important to get into if you're serious about fighting. It's the strong base you learn. You'll not see a judoka be thrown off balance with ease. This is true for the karateka, too. And, in the real world, where people will hug you when fighting, you have a lot of throws. You'll also learn some ground work, but for that, it's better to get advanced with jiu-jitsu. For a lot of purposes, it's good to be on your feet in a dangerous real life situation.

>>148779

Do you know much about the differences between boxing and muay thai? Boxing has an appeal because it's extremely common (I've also got an uncle who was a boxer, and would love to hear that I'm doing it), but I've heard that muay thai is better for fighting. I'm dead set on Judo, but could go either way with striking.

>>148789

I agree. Judo seems so practical. I would have liked to have done BJJ, for the sake of confidence in ground work. But baby steps are best, considering I'm a baby to all of this. And I don't even know what the schedule would look like for training three things at once.

>>148826

Boxing at a very advanced level is like chess. But, looking from a practical standpoint, it's superior to muay thai in a street fight, since you make yourself less vulnerable. Also, the highest level boxer would always win against the highest level muay thai fighter.

Even so, muay thai is extremely useful, since it gives you a strong base when it comes to kicking, but I'maa criticiser of their stance (which is like that because of the dynamic of the fight). If one were to learn it for practical reasons, one would have to work on their defensive stance, for the muay thai one is specific to it.

>>148830

>>>148826

>Boxing at a very advanced level is like chess. But, looking from a practical standpoint, it's superior to muay thai in a street fight, since you make yourself less vulnerable. Also, the highest level boxer would always win against the highest level muay thai fighter.

>Even so, muay thai is extremely useful, since it gives you a strong base when it comes to kicking, but I'maa criticiser of their stance (which is like that because of the dynamic of the fight). If one were to learn it for practical reasons, one would have to work on their defensive stance, for the muay thai one is specific to it.

"since you make yourself less vulnerable"? The everloving fuck are you talking about?

"the highest level boxer would always win against the highest level muay thai fighter" One of the stupidest things ever written.

And I've trained with a professional boxer.

Look, if you're going to use a martial art in a civilian situation, it's likely going to be against an untrained opponent. Or poorly trained. Like the "I watch UFC so I can fight" douchebags. You don't need to be elite to deal with that kind of opposition.

Try a month of boxing, try a month of MT. Pick the one that works best for you.

>>148830

If anything, the defense of a muay thai fighter is more complete than the defense of a boxer; muay thai has kicks and other strikes to deal with, while boxers only train to defend against punches. On the street, in a real fight, you can't count on a person only throwing punches, as common as that likely is.

However, my instructor –who regularly trains police and military and professional fighters– has claimed that of all martial artists, boxers tend to be the ones who are best at sticking to their discipline in a fight; others are more likely than boxers to begin to descend into the chaos that we see in untrained street fighters when shit gets real: wild haymakers and tackles. If this is true, then that ability to retain technique and training during a real violent encounter is nothing to scoff at.

>>148829

I just want to reinforce that this /fit/izen is correct. If you're talking strictly in terms of practicality and a more complete picture of hand to hand combat, Muay Thai was effectively created to actually deal damage. It was never intended as a form of sport, and it was never intended to use more pacifistic principles like "deflect your attacker" techniques of other martial arts, it was intended to cause harm in actual combat. Boxing is still far better than nothing, but if you have one guy fighting with fists and another fighting with everything, the guy with everything will have the advantage, everything else being equal.

However keep in mind that this "MT is better than boxing" idea only applies in a tiny fraction of circumstances. Most of the time when you're using a martial art, you're going to be going up against someone who either never ever fights or is some sloppy untrained dudebro throwing wild haymakers. So from this practical standpoint, talking about which one is superior is splitting hairs a bit; it really would only matter if you're coming up against trained street fighters (not tournament fighters, most of whom have never been in a real fight in their fucking lives).

>>148830

And to echo the words of the other anons, this guy is just wrong. Again, to reiterate, the vast majority of the time, the question of which one is better is irrelevant to your situation. 99% of the time, just being competent at one of them is all you really need. But if you want to get to the peak of the argument, between two exact copies of a man, one with boxing expertise and one with MT expertise, the one with MT would have the edge. Boxers aren't used to worrying about blocking elbows (they think clinching close enough so that you can't make a full swing is locking you down), and they definitely don't fucking know how to defend against kicks, or even have the techniques to use kicks themselves, which is a severe disadvantage in a straight up fight with no rules.

Guys, I come to you with a request for advice.

I am considering visiting my old jujitsu-dojo again. It was always fun there, I loved the place. I always got along with everyone. Last time I visited it was two years or so back, after another long pause, in which I put on a lot of weight. "You should bulk", they said. "Don't be a skelly", they said. I dropped out again after a few sessions, and now I'm afraid that if I come there again, my trainer will be pissed I left so quickly and without notice after he told me to do more sports. I didn't even leave for that reason, but because I was caught up in weightlifting and university. Don't study law, it ain't worth it. You'll end up hating half the guys you work with unless you're a sociopath or just that much of a people's person.

So, what do? Like I said, I love the place, so if I decide to do martial arts again (which I have), I would like to go there instead of picking an entirely different dojo.

>>149538

Your instructor probably understands that sometimes life gets in the way of training. Martial arts schools often have people that are on-again-off-again attendees. It really shouldn't be a big deal. I doubt he'll be pissed. Just be honest with him if it comes up.

If you go there and find out that he is in fact pissed, then you'll see that he's a small-minded and selfish person and you should probably find a new instructor.

>>149806

Broadly speaking, if they're fun for you, go for it. But they're simply not practical. Better than nothing, though.

Wing chun is pretty badass, though.

>>143410

I do Hapkido (even though my master is a hippie, we still learn the basics). I mostly do that for general fitness, though.

For defence, I always carry a concealed knife in my jacket, and I can draw and stab in <1s.

Thank you for the pdf, I didn't really practice any knife techniques yet.

>>149809

Wing chun is a rip off. I don't know how good its techniques are, but it's fucking expensive to climb the ranks because only the association is allowed to test you and the exams cost a couple thousand bucks quickly if you rise the belt ranks.

>>143402

hey, Tdk instructor here, if you really want to learn the basics of Tdk just know that first and foremost its supposed to be a "military" martial art, meaning that mastering a few techniques and body conditioning is more important than flashy moves or breaking boards (modern day tdk is not such thing), if you are not interested in the sport or becoming a "full" time practitioner just remember that in traditional martial arts conditioning an technique are more important than some other aspects, if you are interested in learning self defense and want to truly cover your bases, start with boxing and some grappling art (wrestling or judo, then bjj), do that for a few years or at the least 6 months, then change style

REMEMBER THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS TO KEEP PRACTICING, NEVER STOP

i wish you luck in your training