/fit/ - Fitness, Health, and Feels

>>147707

Correct

>>147841

Getting out of close-quarters melee as fast as possible.

>>146750

nah man, i've wrestled for years and virtually everyone on my old team was bigger than me but i can ragdoll most of them. Wrestling is really good, combined with muay thai, sambo and a solid lifting program and you'll be a monster

>>146965

if you can knock someone out with one punch why not compete?

>>147694

its combat sambo, systema is aikido levels of useless

>>147891

gotcha, fam.

Work that body…

>>147180

related to Anna Kuzmina?

SHIN KICK

>>148214

She's an idiot. That's how broken shins work.

>>148218

Except she kicked the bar until it bent and her shins were ok..

>>148344

Sure. Practitioners of my style are known for breaking 2x4s with a single kick. But she is still damaging her shin bones and they will snap.

If this worked long-term, don't you think men would be doing it everywhere? Especially muay thai?

Never saw that dude's leg snap during a UFC match?

>>148370

I can't tell by context if you're aware of this or not, but they're deliberately trying to fracture/damage their shinbones. It's actually a part of muay thai training, because the bones heal back stronger, and then they rinse and repeat. How true this is, who knows, but the idea that "she's damaging her shin bones" is a given, the idea that "they will snap" isn't, unless bone healing is a net loss over time rather than a net gain in fortitude.

>>148386

Which it is. Again, if this worked long-term people would be doing this everywhere. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, muay thai practitioners kick banana trees.

>>148400

Its actually a thing in some military units around the world, where they have the soldiers kick each others legs up to make them stronger.

Some strong men are also practicing it.

>tfw accidentally kneed someone in the face today

>grappling

>manage to get a sweep

>pass guard and trap an arm with my chest

>probably had a few options but I wanted to try for a straight knee bar

>quickly posture then swing my leg

>at the same time he sits up

>BAM

>right on the cheekbone

I felt so bad.

>>148486

That's the norm in pretty much any reasonable martial arts school.

>>148512

It will help you with stunts and etcetera, but you'll learn mostly to dance. Some nice kicks and deceiving techniques here and there, but a real martial artist would kick the capoeirista's ass. Learn judo or something like this. If you like kicks, it's very nice to learn Tae Kwon Do. I know that some of the TKD's hand techniques/blows are widely useful in a variety of situations, since you can use it to throw an opponent's hand that's grappling you with ease. Judo is nice to learn a variety of throws/throwing dynamics and locks, as well as proper balance, and you'll also learn to roll and fall. For hitting, see what you like more, but a combination of boxing and karate moves is very powerful. Combative aikido is also interesting, but only the techniques that can hurt, although it would be useful in a limited number of situations. Regardless, the bigger your portfolio and the better you can transition or adapt during a real fight the more chances you'll have to survive and to kill your enemy.

>>148512

It's great for getting in shape. Good for balance. It's perhaps effective against an untrained opponent, but otherwise just fancy dancing.

first people really need to clarify what they want out of martial arts as a general rule people will throw out mma bjj boxing and muay thai because these are the best martial arts for the purposes of learning how to fight unfortunately theres a lot of grey area in martial arts but you basically have 3 things you wanna look for before committing to a specific club if they dont have full contact sparing avoid it if they have a weird cult hierarchy avoid it and never join any place where the guy running it is a cunt

basic shit

>>148400

>Again, if this worked long-term people would be doing this everywhere

Fiscal responsibility works but nobody does it.

>>148512

Yes, it is. Well, if you want stunts, ginga etc. go to Angola style. Otherwise go with Reginal style.

>>148515

I will love to dance with you someday :).

>>148698

Yes… dance using the "art" created by the people who were dominated completely by the ones whom I descent directly from… Not such a bright idea. You'd probably get BTFO'd like the vikings, the moors and the romans.

>>148722

You descendants, huh? What about yourself, anon? I'm not sure about dead people dancing around

>>147464

>If you're threatened with a knife run

Only a retarded internet tough guy would recommend this blindly. Muggers don't draw knives or guns until they're practically on top of you, murders who aren't using a gun same thing, everyone else has some other goal in mind when they drew the knife out way before they ever got close enough to touch you with it. In the case of a mugging that will get you killed, if you're being targeted and being murdered running isn't an option you've already been stabbed multiple times in the vitals, and the last guy can be dealt with by backing away and not showing weakness like turning your back.

I have basically no experience in martial arts, but I'd like to start. Judo seems rather interesting to me, so I'd like to do that if possible. But from what I've heard, it's not necessarily well-rounded enough to rely on exclusively. I'm 5'6", so I feel like I could hardly on striking in a fight. Do you guys think Judo/BJJ is good enough for a manlet, or is it really important that I get a striking art in? I feel like the preference for Judo is keeping me away from the golden-duo of BJJ/Muay Thai; and I'm not sure Judo will help at all for a fight that goes to the ground, so something like Judo/Boxing might be too awkward. Anyone care to help a noob out?

>>148773

Judo has ground game too and it's a great martial art. Do it.

And yeah, train striking too.

>>148774

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you think Judo/Boxing is a good strategy? BJJ/Muay Thai seem to be the most popular suggestions, so I'm a bit worried about not doing either. Again, I'm very new to all of this, so I don't know if it's possible to do BJJ/Judo/Muay Thai or Boxing. My biggest concern is trying to make fights less of an automatic loss because I'm so scrawny.

>>148776

Yeah, I think doing judo and boxing would be a really good idea. You'll have great footwork and head movement from the boxing, and excellent grappling from the judo.

You'll be quite the force to be reckoned with if you train hard in both of those disciplines. Good luck! Work hard and do your best!

>>148776

>>148779

I want to add: BJJ and muay thai are also great. I don't think it's very important which of these you choose to do; what is important is that you do SOMETHING, so make sure it's something fun that you'll actually consistently train. Get grappling and striking in, and you're good to go.

>>148776

I'm going to explain why I think judo is so important to get into if you're serious about fighting. It's the strong base you learn. You'll not see a judoka be thrown off balance with ease. This is true for the karateka, too. And, in the real world, where people will hug you when fighting, you have a lot of throws. You'll also learn some ground work, but for that, it's better to get advanced with jiu-jitsu. For a lot of purposes, it's good to be on your feet in a dangerous real life situation.

>>148779

Do you know much about the differences between boxing and muay thai? Boxing has an appeal because it's extremely common (I've also got an uncle who was a boxer, and would love to hear that I'm doing it), but I've heard that muay thai is better for fighting. I'm dead set on Judo, but could go either way with striking.

>>148789

I agree. Judo seems so practical. I would have liked to have done BJJ, for the sake of confidence in ground work. But baby steps are best, considering I'm a baby to all of this. And I don't even know what the schedule would look like for training three things at once.

>>148826

Boxing at a very advanced level is like chess. But, looking from a practical standpoint, it's superior to muay thai in a street fight, since you make yourself less vulnerable. Also, the highest level boxer would always win against the highest level muay thai fighter.

Even so, muay thai is extremely useful, since it gives you a strong base when it comes to kicking, but I'maa criticiser of their stance (which is like that because of the dynamic of the fight). If one were to learn it for practical reasons, one would have to work on their defensive stance, for the muay thai one is specific to it.

>>148830

>>>148826

>Boxing at a very advanced level is like chess. But, looking from a practical standpoint, it's superior to muay thai in a street fight, since you make yourself less vulnerable. Also, the highest level boxer would always win against the highest level muay thai fighter.

>Even so, muay thai is extremely useful, since it gives you a strong base when it comes to kicking, but I'maa criticiser of their stance (which is like that because of the dynamic of the fight). If one were to learn it for practical reasons, one would have to work on their defensive stance, for the muay thai one is specific to it.

"since you make yourself less vulnerable"? The everloving fuck are you talking about?

"the highest level boxer would always win against the highest level muay thai fighter" One of the stupidest things ever written.

And I've trained with a professional boxer.

Look, if you're going to use a martial art in a civilian situation, it's likely going to be against an untrained opponent. Or poorly trained. Like the "I watch UFC so I can fight" douchebags. You don't need to be elite to deal with that kind of opposition.

Try a month of boxing, try a month of MT. Pick the one that works best for you.

>>148830

If anything, the defense of a muay thai fighter is more complete than the defense of a boxer; muay thai has kicks and other strikes to deal with, while boxers only train to defend against punches. On the street, in a real fight, you can't count on a person only throwing punches, as common as that likely is.

However, my instructor –who regularly trains police and military and professional fighters– has claimed that of all martial artists, boxers tend to be the ones who are best at sticking to their discipline in a fight; others are more likely than boxers to begin to descend into the chaos that we see in untrained street fighters when shit gets real: wild haymakers and tackles. If this is true, then that ability to retain technique and training during a real violent encounter is nothing to scoff at.

>>148829

I just want to reinforce that this /fit/izen is correct. If you're talking strictly in terms of practicality and a more complete picture of hand to hand combat, Muay Thai was effectively created to actually deal damage. It was never intended as a form of sport, and it was never intended to use more pacifistic principles like "deflect your attacker" techniques of other martial arts, it was intended to cause harm in actual combat. Boxing is still far better than nothing, but if you have one guy fighting with fists and another fighting with everything, the guy with everything will have the advantage, everything else being equal.

However keep in mind that this "MT is better than boxing" idea only applies in a tiny fraction of circumstances. Most of the time when you're using a martial art, you're going to be going up against someone who either never ever fights or is some sloppy untrained dudebro throwing wild haymakers. So from this practical standpoint, talking about which one is superior is splitting hairs a bit; it really would only matter if you're coming up against trained street fighters (not tournament fighters, most of whom have never been in a real fight in their fucking lives).

>>148830

And to echo the words of the other anons, this guy is just wrong. Again, to reiterate, the vast majority of the time, the question of which one is better is irrelevant to your situation. 99% of the time, just being competent at one of them is all you really need. But if you want to get to the peak of the argument, between two exact copies of a man, one with boxing expertise and one with MT expertise, the one with MT would have the edge. Boxers aren't used to worrying about blocking elbows (they think clinching close enough so that you can't make a full swing is locking you down), and they definitely don't fucking know how to defend against kicks, or even have the techniques to use kicks themselves, which is a severe disadvantage in a straight up fight with no rules.

Guys, I come to you with a request for advice.

I am considering visiting my old jujitsu-dojo again. It was always fun there, I loved the place. I always got along with everyone. Last time I visited it was two years or so back, after another long pause, in which I put on a lot of weight. "You should bulk", they said. "Don't be a skelly", they said. I dropped out again after a few sessions, and now I'm afraid that if I come there again, my trainer will be pissed I left so quickly and without notice after he told me to do more sports. I didn't even leave for that reason, but because I was caught up in weightlifting and university. Don't study law, it ain't worth it. You'll end up hating half the guys you work with unless you're a sociopath or just that much of a people's person.

So, what do? Like I said, I love the place, so if I decide to do martial arts again (which I have), I would like to go there instead of picking an entirely different dojo.

>>149538

Your instructor probably understands that sometimes life gets in the way of training. Martial arts schools often have people that are on-again-off-again attendees. It really shouldn't be a big deal. I doubt he'll be pissed. Just be honest with him if it comes up.

If you go there and find out that he is in fact pissed, then you'll see that he's a small-minded and selfish person and you should probably find a new instructor.

>>149806

Broadly speaking, if they're fun for you, go for it. But they're simply not practical. Better than nothing, though.

Wing chun is pretty badass, though.

>>143410

I do Hapkido (even though my master is a hippie, we still learn the basics). I mostly do that for general fitness, though.

For defence, I always carry a concealed knife in my jacket, and I can draw and stab in <1s.

Thank you for the pdf, I didn't really practice any knife techniques yet.

>>149809

Wing chun is a rip off. I don't know how good its techniques are, but it's fucking expensive to climb the ranks because only the association is allowed to test you and the exams cost a couple thousand bucks quickly if you rise the belt ranks.

>>143402

hey, Tdk instructor here, if you really want to learn the basics of Tdk just know that first and foremost its supposed to be a "military" martial art, meaning that mastering a few techniques and body conditioning is more important than flashy moves or breaking boards (modern day tdk is not such thing), if you are not interested in the sport or becoming a "full" time practitioner just remember that in traditional martial arts conditioning an technique are more important than some other aspects, if you are interested in learning self defense and want to truly cover your bases, start with boxing and some grappling art (wrestling or judo, then bjj), do that for a few years or at the least 6 months, then change style

REMEMBER THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS TO KEEP PRACTICING, NEVER STOP

i wish you luck in your training