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cb3117  No.137049[Last 50 Posts]

Het /fit

I got some chelated zinc supplements because I know that my diet may be low in zinc, impeded by soy, and drained by fapping (I've improved on that last one a lot). One problem is that it started giving me a terrible morning shit, so I stopped but I still retained a marked increase in body feeling and vitality.

Do any of you have any experience with zinc supplements? Apparently this is not uncommon due to zinc toxicity. Does anyone have advice?

Moving forward I'm thinking of taking zinc after fapping and once or twice a week, although the bottle recommends once a day. My brand is sundown naturals and each pill is 50 mg, which is apparently 30 mg above the daily recommendations.

sorry for blogpost

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6566ad  No.137050

File: 6c036ef36c2cc2f⋯.jpg (12.38 KB, 231x300, 77:100, zma.jpg)

Big advocate of zinc here I take 3 of these before bed for muscle recovery and huge cums never had a problem with it

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5993f5  No.137052

File: e347d7a344ce9e3⋯.jpg (1.96 MB, 3006x3343, 3006:3343, zincd3.jpg)

>not zinc orotate master race

never gonna make it fam

jk I've been taking this daily for like 6 months and have yet to develop superpowers. Still it can't hurt.

>>137049

>although the bottle recommends once a day

for a second there I thought you were saying the bottle recommended fapping once a day

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170f2f  No.137057

>>137049

eat oysters, they have the most of any food by far, it's an insane amount and I bet it's way more bioavailable than any supplement

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953c28  No.137061

Does your regular run-of-the-mill multivitamin contain zinc? I take one of those everyday.

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8df1bc  No.137062

>>137049

50mg should be okay if you have a zinc deficient diet. Do you eat the pills on a empty stomach? I always try to time my supps with a meal and rarely experience the shits.

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cb3117  No.137069

>>137062

I eat it with a meal always and I still get the shits.

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1736b5  No.137090

>>137049

I'm a huge faggot who can't swallow pills so I get the Smarty Pants multivitamin chewable which has the msot zinc that I could find in a chewable.

>>137061

Usually. Some have a lot more than others.

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c8c12a  No.137187

I've been taking zinc for a while. But I've had more noticeable results from taking magnesium and selenium.

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363f7d  No.137445

>>137061

Fuck multivitamins, anon. It's much healthier and more economical to just identify deficiencies in your diet and correct for them with (preferably) food or supplements, and then supplement elsewhere where you're interested in a higher dose for whatever reason. Most multivitamins have a fucked up ratio of B vitamins, for example.

They're better than nothing though, I guess. Usually.

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8a0aa4  No.137462

>>137445

I fast regularly. So I don't really know what I'm deficient in, or if I am deficient in any vitamin at all. I just take one just in case since you don't eat anything on a fast.

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90de97  No.137496

File: 1a0c1deb29bd529⋯.jpg (168.11 KB, 1080x1920, 9:16, 2018-04-10 06.06.34.jpg)

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4df0c0  No.141647

>>137049

>50mg

Holy fuck how do you have such an iron stomach, anon?

I break 30mg (zinc picollinate with 2mg copper) in half and even after a meal I sometimes get queasy and have even puked.

I think 50mg is waaayyyy too much and you should probably balance that with some copper and magnesium.

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58e2f6  No.143569

File: b6eecc86dee4f9d⋯.png (216.64 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, zinclet faggots.png)

>>137052

>Zinc master race

>Not Thorne's TOP TIER zinc picolinate

Step aside zinclet

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50eec1  No.143576

>>141647

It's prolly that high cause chelated zinc isn't as bioavailable as other sources like zinc orotate.

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0b1706  No.143584

>>137445

>>137057

I agree with these anons.

Multivitamins are for if you want to have general vitamin and mineral sufficiencies,

Singular supplements like zinc or iron are if you arent getting enough from your diet,

But only /fit/ tards know the benefits of building your diet around what the body needs, even if it mean trying new foods.

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04181e  No.143620

Can I expand this thread to be about vitamins in general? My body is pretty fucked up from some long-term health issues, and I'd like to do what I can to get it back in order, but I know there's a fuckload of corruption and non-oversight in what goes into the capsules.

How do I tell what brands to trust? I don't have infinite money to throw around, or I'd just get the nicest stuff.

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9e8d9e  No.143627

How dependable is it to try to get your zinc intake from sunflower seeds and occasionally eating lamb? What foods would you recommend to meet zinc dietary needs without resorting to outright supplements?

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c820ea  No.144089

>>143627

Corganic has a zinc supplement made from powdered oyster meat without the shell. It's expensive but comes out to less than a dollar per singular oyster.

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196dc8  No.144102

oysters

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edb9a4  No.144124

>>144089

that seems really interesting. however, looking at it, it looks like $1/mg whereas buying live oysters is generally about $1/apiece at the local supermarket (at least for me).

I've been trying to find out how many mg of zinc is in an oyster on average, and it's hard, but I think they're about ~5mg apiece (about the same lost in an ejaculation). so about 3 oysters a day, plus 1 per ejaculation, supplemented by trace amounts of zinc in other foods like beef, would likely take care of your zinc requirements

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edb9a4  No.144125

>>144089

>>144102

>>144124

and when you buy actual oysters, you also get the protein etc. in them, plus they're delicious and you get to eat them. much better deal

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074569  No.144161

zinc also maintains brain microtubule form

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9f5b75  No.144272

Red pill me on zinc lads, I've brought some supplements yesterday but mostly due to very likely thyroidal dysfunction evidence, including difficulty to weight loss, motivation, energy and helping with my ADD.

This supplement also comes coupled with vitamin D, some magnesium and calcium. I'm also taking maca root and spirulina.

But what else can I expect from zinc? What exactly does it work on?

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3e4892  No.144273

Don't zinc supplements not absorb into the body very well (even when taken with d supplements)?

I thought you were just supposed to eat high zinc foods.

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9f5b75  No.144292

>>144273

>Don't zinc supplements not absorb into the body very well (even when taken with d supplements)?

Well according to thread doesn't seem to be case, maybe its relative, and if the vitamin D thing is true than this supplement helps it out.

I'll be taking it regularly starting tomorrow, so I'll be reporting in on my experience.

>I thought you were just supposed to eat high zinc foods.

very hard to do, for example oysters would not only be very expensive to me, but unlike to maintain a daily intake.

Another source is beef, I'm gonna try making bone broth tomorrow as well, so it should provide as secondary source of zinc, as well as lot of other nutritious things.

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50eec1  No.144295

>>144273

Depends on the type. Orotate is best supposedly since it's neutrally charged which means it can more easily pass through cell membranes.

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8b23e0  No.144413

watch chris masterjohn videos on how to supplement w/ zinc. short version no to zinc picolonate, yes zinc sulfate/gluconate and some other kind i forget, take on an empty stomach and only 15g. more than this is a waste and will upset your stomach. if you want more take the 15g multiple times a day.

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7086b6  No.144649

>>143627

If you ate lamb once-weekly and consumed a small serving of sunflower seeds once-daily then you should be fine in your zinc allowance for the day.

Our body has a way of storing certain minerals and elements and the industry has a way of scaring us into thinking we don't have enough.

For example to get your recommended daily allowance of omega-3 fatty acids. You can probably just eat cod twice a week and be fine

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6ef3ac  No.144866

Combo your zinc with vitamin C.

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7086b6  No.144868

File: 030a3361c309dd5⋯.jpg (1.96 MB, 1900x2533, 1900:2533, crown-prince-smoked-oyster….jpg)

>>144272

Okay heres the redpill, somebody told u u have a deficciency, but u probably were just lacking zinc in ur diet when blood was drawn, even if u are lower than most people, you were probably only mildly under the rda of 11 mg.

However, as it turns out, canned oysters are an incredibly good source of protein, zinc, and have been shown to boost testosterone as well as having an effect as a natural aphrodisiac, also are incredibly cheap. In fact, they are the most nutricious form of protein that is highly valued in prison and jails at the commisary for their muscle building power.

Tl;dr

<<buy canned oysters at the dollar store. Avoid zinc supplements cuz they are pricey and likely well beyond the rda

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46df62  No.144977

Since this is a supplementation thread:

I'm an anon that doesn't like vegetables. I eat mainly meat and complex carbs. What vitamins am I missing? I know that zinc should increse my test, but I'm not aware of the rest

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fcb129  No.144979

>>144977

What animal parts do you eat? Just the muscles? You'll miss out on plenty in that case. Fruits often have better nutrition than rstarch sources, btw, although potatoes are pretty good nutrionally. You may need some rice to get full, for example, but you're likely to miss out on electrolytes without fruits. Dairy helps to balance out a diet high in muscle meat by offering some calcium to offset the high phosphorus content.

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46df62  No.144980

>>144979

Well, I eat mainly muscle meat, some of which are fat. I eat chicken regularly and sometimes fish. I dislike fruits, their taste and texture gross me out. I like only lemons, because they are godlike. Vegetables are even worse. I eat plenty of rice and potatoes regularly. I wonder if I'll have trouble growing older.

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59fcf5  No.144983

>>144980

In a very meat-centric diet, it is especially useful to have liver 1-2 times per week to provide a wide variety of vitamins and trace minerals. It is useful to have liver in more balanced diets too, but the lack of fruits and greens further necessitates occasional organ meats. Seafood also contains rare nutrition that will be hard to obtain from muscle meats alone. Glycine supplementation seems very reasonable in this context to alleviate some of the burden from this presumably high-methionine diet.

Which varieties of fruit have typically been available to you? It is possible you have been presented with unsuitable choices, but a distaste for sweets would normally indicate taste aversion, and taste aversion can mean a high level of serotonin. This level of serotonin could be a result of vitamin deficiencies that prevent efficient conversion of tryptophan to niacin, hypothyroidism, a calcium deficiency, or it could be a matter of stress. B vitamins such as those found in liver can help. A broad concern with the description of your diet is there is no major source of calcium (unless regularly partaking in fish bones?) and there is rarely enough magnesium to supply the true demand.

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46df62  No.144997

>>144983

Bloody hell. You know a lot

About organs, I'm used to eating chicken's hearts, but surely it's not the same as a cow liver, right?

I have a lot of fruits at my disposal, but only ever eat lemons, normally in a drink

I do drink some milk and eat cheese, if that's what you mean by calcium intake.

About the greens, I could start eating arugula, since I heard it's bitter and that might please me more.

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74f032  No.145116

I'm starting zinc supplementation. The bottle says no soy and zinc 280mg. Raypeatforum recommends 25mg a day. What do I do?

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46df62  No.145117

>>145116

It's 280mg total. Each capsule has 7mg on it.

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9f5b75  No.145201

>>145117

>>145116

Question for the huebros there, I've brought some Zinc supplements as well, but the recommended daily dose is like 25 like you've said, which seems much, much lower than what is recommended outside.

Plus the packet pushes 3 pills a day to get that dosage, meaning a full bottle would last less for only 2/3 of a month.

Seems quite bullshitty to me

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46df62  No.145214

>>145201

Yes. I've decided to take 2 pills a day, amounting 14mg from them and more from meat. I've already planned to buy a new bottle that delivers 25mg without soy when this one is over. I've read a few scientific researches on zinc, but I haven't come to a understanding about the effects as well as my understanding on Vitamin E. But I suppose zinc does me pretty well, no? I'm not getting a raging boner, so I have my doubts.

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59fcf5  No.145219

File: a76ff971812829f⋯.jpg (31.26 KB, 475x494, 25:26, KP_pathway.jpg)

>>145214

A zinc deficiency is not necessarily caused by inadequate dietary zinc.

• It is possible that an excess of various dietary metals can compete with zinc for absorption in the diet as it was at least shown to be the case that excess dietary iron has an inhibitory effect on zinc absorption. But excess iron causes many other problems, so it may or may not be mere "competition".

• Higher levels of picolinic acid—a catabolite of tryptophan—increase zinc absorption, and niacin or niacinamide (vitamin B3) supplementation may spare tryptophan for production of picolinic acid. Recommend trying niacinamide first as it doesn't cause the flushing effect of niacin which may or may not be a good thing.

• B6 supplementation is shown to increase zinc absorption, and this is probably because it is a major influencer of the kynurenine pathway and makes it less likely tryptophan will become kynurenic acid. Overdosing B6 isn't generally safe, so don't take more than recommended doses.

• As riboflavin (vitamin B2) plays a role in vitamin B6 metabolism, it should come as no surprise that it both influences the kynurenine pathway and its supplementation is shown to improve zinc absoption.

• Ketogenic diets may promote the conversion of tryptophan to kynurenic acid, and this may theoretically decrease zinc absorption through preventing picolinic acid formation.

• Not only are adequate carbohydrates recommended to absorb dietary zinc, but there is some evidence to suggest that fructose in particular favors enhanced mineral balance.

Henderson, L. M., Ruth E. Koski, and F. D'angeli. The role of riboflavin and vitamin B6 in tryptophan metabolism. Journal of Biological Chemistry 215 (1955): 369-376.

http://www.jbc.org/content/215/1/369.full.pdf

Weissbach, Herbert, et al. Studies on the effect of vitamin B6 on 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonin) formation. Journal of Biological Chemistry 227 (1957): 617-624.

http://www.jbc.org/content/227/2/617.full.pdf

Sylianco, Clara Y. Lim, and Clarence P. Berg. The effect of riboflavin deficiency upon the metabolism of tryptophan by liver and kidney tissue. Journal of Biological Chemistry 234.4 (1959): 912-917.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e23f/a67606909b5bc46a4f28ddf90efde44733b8.pdf

Yess, Norma, et al. Vitamin B6 depletion in man: urinary excretion of tryptophan metabolites. The Journal of nutrition 84.3 (1964): 229-236.

https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/84.3.229

Evans, Gary W., and Elaine C. Johnson. Growth stimulating effect of picolinic acid added to rat diets. Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine 165.3 (1980): 457-461.

https://doi.org/10.3181%2F00379727-165-41004

Evans, Gary W., and Elaine C. Johnson. Effect of iron, vitamin B-6 and picolinic acid on zinc absorption in the rat. The Journal of nutrition 111.1 (1981): 68-75.

https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/111.1.68

Krieger, Ingeborg, and M. Statter. Tryptophan deficiency and picolinic acid: effect on zinc metabolism and clinical manifestations of pellagra. The American journal of clinical nutrition 46.3 (1987): 511-517.

https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/46.3.511

Johnson, Phyllis E., Gary W. Evans, and Janet R. Hunt. The effect of picolinic acid supplementation on zinc absorption by men fed a low tryptophan diet. Nutrition research 8.2 (1988): 119-224.

https://doi.org/10.1016/S0271-5317(88)80015-0

Holbrook, Janet Teresa, J. C. Smith Jr, and Sheldon Reiser. Dietary fructose or starch: effects on copper, zinc, iron, manganese, calcium, and magnesium balances in humans. The American journal of clinical nutrition 49.6 (1989): 1290-1294.

https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/49.6.1290

Shibata, Katsumi, et al. Effects of vitamin B6 deficiency on the conversion ratio of tryptophan to niacin. Bioscience, biotechnology, and biochemistry 59.11 (1995): 2060-2063.

https://doi.org/10.1271/bbb.59.2060

Agte, V. V., K. M. Paknikar, and S. A. Chiplonkar. Effect of riboflavin supplementation on zinc and iron absorption and growth performance in mice. Biological trace element research 65.2 (1998): 109.

https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02784263

Żarnowski, Tomasz, et al. Ketogenic diet increases concentrations of kynurenic acid in discrete brain structures of young and adult rats. Journal of Neural Transmission 119.6 (2012): 679-684.

https://doi.org/10.1007%2Fs00702-011-0750-2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kynurenine_pathway

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9f5b75  No.145225

>>145214

Let me know what you find, my current brand is Maxinutri, but the bottle is nearly empty.

The type of zinc I think also plays a difference, but I wasn't able to determine which it is, either way its called in the box

> bisglicinato de zinco

There also is some calcium and magnesium together, and no harmful things like soy or wheat, it seems.

And btw, I've been taking it daily, usually only one capsule because I forget to take one at night, but its just for test and sperm.

Zinc is more for the thyroid I think, which is the main regulator of metabolism, and also helps out with other hormones.

So mainly it think it helps keeping your energy up and readily available, I've been told it helps with motivation/lazyness, such as ADD symptoms.

But I also lost a hell lot of weight in these last couple of months, but that probably amount to other factors as well.

>>145219

Interesting info anon, thanks for sharing, but its a bit confusing.

I've guess I should lay back on the beans then, since with them I've been eating way too much iron.

On the flip side, I've been eating a lot of fruits, so it may help as well.

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9f5b75  No.145427

Alright, so I have an update, turned out there wasn't any zinc supplements when I went to buy more, but they gave me the option to make a custom one.

So went ahead and with the option for custom quantity, got 20mg zinc, which turned out to be chelated, so I don't really if its any better than the other I would be having.

Still got a bottle of 120 pills, that I can take only once a day, also added some other minerals that apparently help with absorption, though I went blind.

> 20mg chelated zinc

> 50mg magnesium

> 100mcg selenium

> 2mg copper

Gonna be taking it and reporting back eventually, still haven't noticed any superpowers, though I'm having a rather hard time trying nofap.

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46df62  No.145441

>>145427

That gave me a good idea. I'll try to have some manipulated too.

Something you should keep in mind is about the binding agents and you should care about what you're taking it with, because as the >>145219 said, there might be competition. It's dim on my mind, but I think calcium will compete with zinc.

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9f5b75  No.145461

>>145441

Other metals apparently, so copper definitely doesn't need to, though magnesium and selenium apparently help it.

I however to them early morning, along with some maca root, lots of water and a banana, quickly felt really sick to my stomach and end up throwing everything up.

The good part is that it was a rather smooth vomit, so it be the nausea from zinc OP mentioned about, it could too much water among other factors, tomorrow I gonna give it some time before eating anything else to see how it works.

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9f5b75  No.145479

So I've gotten sick again, right when I was about eating an apple.

So now I'm going to try and isolate the cause, weird thing is that I took it Friday and Saturday without issues. It could be taking it first thing with a lot of water but on an empty stomach, it could be taking together with fish oil (this vomit had a pretty bad fish taste).

Also remember that the type of zinc makes a big difference here, chelated isn't the best even though it's organic, gliscinate seem to be better. Still is worth testing, i have taken God hormone samples so I can see if there gonna be some long term effects. And by the way, the main reason I'm taking this is for supposed thyroid gains, motivation, energy and ADHD improvement.

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59fcf5  No.145481

>>145479

I have taken zinc pills before, and it reliably made me acutely nauseous if taken on a somewhat empty stomach. I would be very careful to eat first. Low-fat seafood and beef are decent sources of zinc, and don't forget you can increase zinc absorption through the use of B vitamins.

I would not be surprised if fish oil worsens your ADHD, and it will assuredly worsen thyroid function. Nearly all research suggesting a beneficial effect of omega-3s is doing it comparatively to omega-6s either open and honestly or as a hidden subtext to the dietary details of the control group. Example:

Souza, Luana L., et al. Effects of dietary fish oil on thyroid hormone signaling in the liver. The Journal of nutritional biochemistry 21.10 (2010): 935-940.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jnutbio.2009.07.008

Here they compare fish oil to soybean oil and say fish oil increases thyroid hormone signaling pathways. I would challenge them to find the same effect when comparing to a group without polyunsaturated fat at all. It really needs asking why not just avoid polyunsaturated fat instead of taking fish oil?

Freudenberger, Clay B., and Fred W. Clausen. The Effect of 1 Per Cent Cod Liver Oil on the Rat, with Particular Reference to the Thyroid Gland. The Journal of Nutrition 10.5 (1935): 549-555.

https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/10.5.549

>The thyroid gland was found to be significantly smaller in those rats which received the diet containing the cod liver oil.

Mohan, Pamarthi F., Frederick C. Phillips, and Margot P. Cleary. Metabolic effects of coconut, safflower, or menhaden oil feeding in lean and obese Zucker rats. British Journal of Nutrition 66.2 (1991): 285-299.

https://doi.org/10.1079/BJN19910032

>Serum triiodothyronine and thyroxine were lower in [obese, fish oil fed] rats compared with [obese, coconut oil fed] and OS rats.

(Coconut oil is generally a pro-metabolic fat)

Sugihara, Narumi, et al. High peroxidative susceptibility of fish oil polyunsaturated fatty acid in cultured rat hepatocytes. Toxicology and applied pharmacology 126.1 (1994): 124-128.

https://doi.org/10.1006/taap.1994.1098

(Potential liver damage from fish oil does not in theory bode well for T3 production since the liver produces T3)

Clandinin, M. Thomas, Donna L. Claerhout, and Eric L. Lien. Docosahexaenoic acid increases thyroid-stimulating hormone concentration in male and adrenal corticotrophic hormone concentration in female weanling rats. The Journal of nutrition 128.8 (1998): 1257-1261.

https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/128.8.1257

(Elevated thyroid-stimulating hormone can be seen as potentially meaning the thyroid is becoming unresponsive to demands placed on it.)

Hughes, George S., et al. Fish oil produces an atherogenic lipid profile in hypertensive men. Atherosclerosis 84.2-3 (1990): 229-237.

https://doi.org/10.1016/0021-9150(90)90095-Z

Glattre, E., et al. Norwegian case-control study testing the hypothesis that seafood increases the risk of thyroid cancer. Cancer Causes & Control 4.1 (1993): 11-16.

https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00051708

>Univariate analysis of the 48 sets in which the case had answered the dietary questionnaire prior to the thyroid cancer diagnosis, as well as of all 92 sets, indicate that regular users of cod-liver oil, fish liver, or fish sandwich-spread run a higher risk of thyroid cancer than irregular and nonusers, and people eating more fish dinners per week also run a higher risk of thyroid cancer.

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46df62  No.145483

>>145479

>>145481

I've always eaten immediately when taking zinc, either before or after. I've never had this problem or anything close to it, but that might be because I take it in small doses with a long window between them. If you're taking a lot of supplements on an empty stomach you could get sick, maybe that's related to how your liver works.

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9f5b75  No.145486

>>145481

Fuck, so fish oil is literally snake oil?

Should have gone with my intuition and left it out, shit is pretty expensive too.

Funny that they advertise it exactly for that stuff, hormone balance, ADHD reduction.

Are you sure the complete absence of this doesn't cause side effects though?

>>145483

This must be it, I was taking at a empty stomach and soon after eating something, but perhaps the fish oil along with it was too much.

I had taken just the zinc after eating something proper, still got a slight upset stomach, kind of anxiety feeling, but passed no problem.

So maybe I should be taking it only after lunch instead, gonna try this and drop the fish oil.

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86f97b  No.145506

File: 6737162a4e48fc7⋯.png (298.21 KB, 491x486, 491:486, Zinc, 12 Foods High In.png)

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9f5b75  No.145570

Alright so after some testing I can definitely say that it was the fish oil that brought me trouble. Still it may be possible that the zinc is upsetting my stomach, let see after a few days if it settles. Also been feeling really good, with energy, aware and attentive, and feeling a reduction in zits. Also feeling a possible increase in sperm and arousal, but I'm also trying nofap, so it may not be entirely related.

>>145506

Allow me to doubt some in this image, besides the oysters, I doubt many of these have any significant quantities, like chicken for example I know to be not enough. On the other hand, I have to check up on these nuts, but I also don't think its enough given the low quantities in which we usually consume these nuts.

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46df62  No.145571

>>145570

So you want to check on these nuts, huh?

I eat a few nuts daily. It's expensive and I need to do more research. Where I live, a 150g pot of castanha de caju costs 30 reais, but a 100g packet of the same costs 16. I don't know yet if it's cheaper to buy à granel. I don't know about the zinc in them, but they have monounsatured fats, aswell as some anti oxidants and maybe a few things extra. Red meat and cow liver also have plenty of zinc, but I still support taking the supplement because it doesn't seem like enough for testosterone purposes.

I'm not sure yet what am I going to ask to be done in the laboratory. Maybe 25mg zinc, magnesium x mg and some othet thing. I don't know if they do vitamin E and I don't know if I need vitamin D. There's so much that I'm getting overwhelmed.

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cccf32  No.145611

>>145570

Zinc is the second most common mineral found in the human body after iron; many have a deficiency.

There aren’t that many foods high in zinc, those are the highest. Always best to eat a wide variety of these foods to increase absorption. Organic chicken when possible is always going to have higher zinc levels than conventional, raised on CAFOs, fed GMOs, often given hormones and/or antibiotics, then water-cooled in solutions of bleach and ammonia. Cheese, milk and yogurt from raw, unpasteurized, non-homogenized milk are best. Salmon should be wild, not farm raised- fresh/frozen is best, but canned Wild Sockeye Salmon is great.

Nuts are best raw, and again, organic if possible. Many whole grains, seeds and nuts contain phytates that bind to zinc and make it harder to absorb. Increase zinc bioavailability by soaking beans, grains, nuts and seeds in water for at least several hours or overnight.

Supplementation is not a bad idea, 15 mg a day is more than enough.

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46df62  No.145814

The pharmacy woman said they don't work with mixed tocopherol vitamin E. Is the 3 generic tocopherol one good enough or estrogenic? Can it be done in coconut oil? Soy and olive oil are estrogenic.

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5ca91e  No.145815

>>145814

Is ordering supplements online reasonable or are you concerned about international shipping fees and the package even reaching you without getting lost/stolen or something?

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46df62  No.145824

>>145815

Buying internationally ends being more expensive than have a pharmacist do it for you. I got 25mg chelated zinc and 50mg chelated magnesium, 60 pods for the equivalent of 8 dollars from one. But my trouble with it is the shipping wait time. I've only imported from Korea and experienced a big waiting time. I have family in the US, so maybe shipping it might be faster. Anyway, where do you want to get at? Am I missing something interesting?

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08f85d  No.145828

>>145824

https://www.toxinless.com/vitamin-e

I don't have a product or source I want to endorse, but I find this website convenient for comparing supplement options. There is a bias towards U.S. and U.K. availability, but I'm pretty a number of products ship internationally.

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46df62  No.145831

>>145828

This website seems very useful. Is it integrated into the pinned thread already?

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4e5b02  No.145867

File: 2d40ccb55f31653⋯.png (284.37 KB, 900x780, 15:13, Ant.png)

For me, its Black Ant extract

Seriously, take half teaspoons of this 2-3 times throughout the day

By day four you will definitely experience the benefits

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4e5b02  No.145868

>>145867

By benefits I mean libido, and sense of vitality. Its also nice before the gym

I also take Rou Cong Rong and notice it helps with endurance in the gym and in the bedroom.

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9f5b75  No.145893

>>145506

Alright look deeper into these

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4192/2 (oysters)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/poultry-products/717/2 (chicken leg)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3690/2 (beef chuck)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3095/2 (Cashews)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3085/2 (Almonds)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_nut (brazil nuts)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3147/2 (watermelon seed)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3141/2 (pumpkin seed)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/69/2 (milk)

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5471/2 (cocoa)

Conclusion

Among the traditional meat, beef > chicken > salmon, they do have a reasonable quantities, and considering you eat large portions at a time, salmon being way too low to make any difference.

Nuts in general, also carry them in reasonable quantities, plus a lot of other minerals and vitamins that just make them worth taking by itself, however you will usually consume very low quantities, and mixed while at it, so it really doesn't supply zinc intake if you were like 20mg daily dose.

Pumpkin and Watermelon seeds do have a more significant quantities, but you would need to consume a reasonable portion too, it depends on how these are available to you locally, I personally think that a consumer type product of this around here would be too expensive to be taken like that. On the other hand they also lack a lot of other stuff found in the nuts, plus a lot of fats and carbs.

Milk and cocoa just seem like a meme at this point, indeed they have little quantities but not nearly enough in the reasonable amount you could take daily.

Indeed Oysters are the king of the zinc, if you can't take it like that (for example it would expensive and rare in my region), zinc supplements are still a thing to consider.

If what >>145611 said is true, then we don't even need such a high zinc consumption in the least, but just a way to replenish it daily, so maybe a lower daily dose and every once in a while take a higher dose to replenish. I'm not even sure I'm feeling that much effects, I did start taking on the hopes of improve hormone balance and diminishing ADD symptoms.

On another topic, its been fine discussion so far but I think we ought to migrate to this general hormone thread, there is always the lone post about someone trying to increase test around, it would be more productive if we all contributed in one sole place:

>>144241

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9f5b75  No.146096

Having some trouble, and now really wondering about a few things.

First that the last few week have been really hard on my motivation, I got that period cycle in ADD where you just crash and don't feel like doing anything, I somehow am still able to pick myself up for some chores however, though I don't think the zinc helps with this at all.

Another thing is about arousal, hormone and sperm production, I'm not sure about this either since it seems I also cycle between really poor week and a week where I can't of anything but sex. But I'm also taking another stimulant and that is Maca Peruana.

But my most important concern is about what >>145611 said, and how it complemented what OP mentioned as well.

That if zinc is already abundant in the organism, that you only really need to supplement with what you lost, so its kinda pointless to be taking copious amounts of it daily anyway, but that instead we should aim to only take on those situations known use zinc (ejaculation maybe?).

Another thing is the method of absorption, it could that this one I got last (chelated zinc) isn't the best and isn't working properly as the previous one (bigliscinate), either way I should keep on testing and eventually compare hormone levels in a blood test.

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59fcf5  No.146119

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>>146096

>that period cycle in ADD where you just crash

As T3 administration seems to relieve ADHD symptoms, and many "crashes" seem related to failing energy production and hypothyroidism, I would recommend getting a steady supply of carbohydrates and stimulating their utilization by almost any means necessary, whether this means drinking coffee, eating an animal's thyroid gland, taking certain B vitamins, or taking thyroid hormones themselves.

Many of the features of ADHD remind me of monkey behavior. Robin Williams was perhaps a stereotypical example of ADHD in humans. A Capuchin monkey is close enough to humans to see the correlation between ADHD, humans, and standard animal behavior. Robin Williams was quite hairy like a monkey, very hyperactive, and seemingly constantly distracted. Animal hairiness and hyperactivity is likely due to dependency on the adrenals for energy production. Estrogen also causes hyperactivity. Thyroid hormones antagonize the effects of estrogens through multiple avenues and are likely behind the human ability to pay attention on a single train of thought or study for extended periods to create complicated theories and advanced ideas and to do so calmly.

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59fcf5  No.146120

>>146119

Also getting just enough salt in the diet may help. If it tastes good or you crave it, you might need it.

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9f5b75  No.146123

>>146119

I believe I do get a steady supply of carbs and stimulants, for example I eat fruit regularly, a good amount of rice and beans, also some complex carbs veggies like carrots, cabbages and broccoli.

To be honest these can actually be closely related to days when I really go off track, and eat some crap food like pizza and pastry.

But I also don't think you quite understand what it means to be ADHD, is overall a problem with dopamine delivery, in the sense that we struggle over long term motivation, and don't have a good sense of time.

Maybe we could create a proper thread for this to gather more resources and people. However I'm interested right now if taking the zinc supplements on a regular is pointless or not, also last i knew there wasn't any hormonal problems with me, so I'm not even sure it correlates with hypothyroidism.

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0c326c  No.146168

>>146123

>don't have a good sense of time

Looks like it's TIME to get a WATCH

LMAO FUCKIN NERD

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565c5e  No.146940

Does drinking chelated zinc do anything for me or it goes straight down the toilet in my piss? Should I go for another type?

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92294f  No.146950

If you people are going to be autistic enough to try drinking liquid zinc at this point just eat a handful of black elderberry's. Try not to overdose. Or do. I don't care about your personal wellbeing if you need to try unconventional methods to get zinc. Eating meat alone should provide your daily intake.

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