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File: 088699d3cfe7d18⋯.jpg (12.77 KB, 350x522, 175:261, venus_in_furs_8198.jpg)

255730  No.6462

What do you think about "Venus in Furs"?

Have you read it?

It seems to be a very popular book among femdom fans.

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of the book. I read it but I didn't enjoy it at all

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255730  No.6463

File: 8cc3dfef7b1d0aa⋯.jpg (29.38 KB, 282x390, 47:65, sardax-venusinfurs-thebath.jpg)

It's a shit book.

The "domme" doesn't actually like domming and the "slave" tops from the bottom all the time and has a cuck fetish.

Apart from the imagery of a dominant woman looking hot in fur coats, it's total shit. I read it as a teen and was so turned off by it that I didn't want to be in a femdom relationship. Took me years to understand that femdom relationships don't have to be so bad.

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a1f542  No.7542

Bumping thread as it was lost in the hack.

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e23d3d  No.7555

>>6463

On "topping from the bottom": What does that actually mean in the contect of a SSC power exchange relationship? Does it really exist? If so, how does it work, exactly? I say it certainly does not really exist and is a RP term all to often used to describe the antics of an unruly sub that the so-called 'dom' can't figure out how to manage well, or to express frustration due to both parties poorly negotiating and updating the basic parameters. It may also describe the convolution where neither one can really tell who is the dom and who is the sub in spite of it being clear who is wielding the 'riding crop'.

In the world of pro BD/sm and D/s players, the line is even blurrier: Who is actually in charge? Who is the top? Who is the bottom? Is the 'bottom' the one tied helplessly to the X-frame getting flogged…but who paid for it? Or is it the so-called 'domme' who is actually doing his bidding and being paid to do so? In real life scenarios, one can be the 'top' without being the one who is actually in charge: the Domme who tied him up is the 'top' but he actually called the shots and is paying her so she works for him and he's the 'boss'; therefore, he is 'in-charge'! The term "topping from the bottom" is very arbitrary (and to me, silly) term with no universal definition. Much like the term "disrespecful": to some Dommes a sub may show disrespect if he does not bow each time he is in her presence. To me that's a bit fluffy, but I do consider my husband not immediately answering "Yes, Ma'am" to me when I give an order as being disrespectful. The term has no concise meaning other than when I say a subbie is trying to 'top from the bottom', then he is…period! And he will be punished for it…I will soundly belt him just because I can. But then, wait… that may be just exactly what he wants! So is he in charge, or am I? If I pick up on subtile clues that he is giving and I modify my approach, is he topping? Am I, by changing my approach to bend to his clues, bottoming? The bottom in any SCC scene often has the ultimate power in the form of the Safe Word and can totally end the scene. So who is really in charge anyway? Getting the picture? In reality, and outside of pure fapping fantasies of absolute slavery, the dom and the sub are involved in a "Power Exchange". Read and learn what that actually means and it will be both enlightening and enriching; the term "topping from the bottom" can then take on it's proper definition and that is simply the meaning you and your sub ascribe to it in your negotiations. By the way, in my over 45 years of experience in D/s and BD/sm relationships and scenes, most book on the subject are "shit books" and cater more to male fapping than to fulfilling real-life Power Exchange relationships.

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78f65b  No.7557

File: 04c0222ebe8834f⋯.jpg (113 KB, 660x760, 33:38, 9655d358-3ffa-464f-8dd0-03….jpg)

>>7555

Topping from the bottom just means that the sub is telling the domme what to do or how to do it. Not what he wants, but what she should do. That's it.

You don't need to hairsplit it. A natural domme will be herself interested in seeing a male submit and do it in the way she tells him to. Wanda, the "domme" in Venus in Furs has no interest in being dominant or seeing Severin submit. She only goes through it because initially she really likes him and is willing to indulge his fetishes.

The whole book is terribly unsexy and is actually damaging to people into femdom because it gives you the impression that femdom relationships are awkward and consist of the guy telling the domme what to do and the domme clearly not being into it at all.

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63b7f9  No.7576

File: 47210bec76cc172⋯.jpg (188.36 KB, 1046x1500, 523:750, poster.jpg)

I hate the novel, but I enjoyed the film adaptation of David Ives's "Venus in Fur". I mean, at least that movie had a female protagonist who enjoys being in control.

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f95984  No.7594

Never read it so I don't have an actual opinion. Just catching glimpses of it all these year, I'd agree with >>6463 .

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7ee5ef  No.7604

>>6463

That's a bizarrely common theme in "serious" erotica novels, e.g. in 50 Shades the female sub character doesn't actually like S&M and just puts up with it for her rich boyfriend's sake and the male dom is only into S&M because he's so uncomfortable around women he can't have sex or even be touched by them without being in full physical control. It's all very unsexy and depressing and ironically makes the dom seem vulnerable and the sub seem exploitative.

I guess this is because they're usually written by people who've never had a non-vanilla sex life and just assume women don't have fetishes and the men who are into it must be completely fucked in the head.

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880fb0  No.7605

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>>7604

In 50 shades, the dude actually finds her being submissive an attractive thing though, and it least has an OK ending, with them ending up together, albeit without the BDSM.

In Venus in Furs she doesn't even like him being submissive and the ending is just awful if you're into femdom. It's pretty much anti-femdom IMO. Only normies who know nothing about femdom consider it an important novel or something.

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