/fast/ - Sonic the Hedgehog

Why do Mario and Sonic memes on Twitter go viral all the time

>>6026

Because a lot of people know them.

>>6027

And not just any people, but young people familiar with the internet and how it works.

>>6024

i love this song

fast

>>6029

Is it bad if I prefer the bowling for soup version?

>>6034

Same. It's the starting point I became a Sonic fan again

>>6024

>>6036

Forgot to add: original version is my favorite.

>>6030

what's the first?

>sonic fan comic that's starting off by literally adapting sonic 1 is called 'sonic legacy'

>sonic fan comic thats about the sonic cast living as adults long after most sonic media would take place is called 'sonic reborn'

what the fuck

>>6039

I mean, not him, but…

>>6040

It is called Sonic Reborn because Sonic comes back from the dead.

>>6040

and my new fan comic "Sonic Nabu"

>>6041

that's some damn good taste anon

>>6040

I have no idea why the artist chose to stick with the human heads on Sonic bodies thing because otherwise Reborn has stellar art.

I will follow it for that alone.

>>6046

I heard the reason was "it makes it look more mature and serious" Which from my standpoint, that's what non matured people would actually think being mature is.

>>6048

Well they do look more like adults, but it probably goes too far in that direction.

I hope it doesn't doom it, as I am glad someone is willing to try to make a more mature Sonic story these days.

>>5822

I'm hearing there's a Crush40 concert before the next stream?

>>6053

I think Jun's gonna be performing, but I dunno about anything else.

>>6051

we've been going so fast lately. it's nice

I think Sonic should look toony again

>>6057

Although I think I know what you mean, what do you mean by that?

here's a countdown to the TGS TSR stream in case anyone needs it

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20180922T1620&p0=248&msg=TSR+TGS+2018&font=serif

>>6058

>>6056

but slightly modernized

>>6061

but this is /fast/ not /slow/

>>6059

Link to stream?

>>6064

Boom.

Puyo Puyo, ugh.

Another IP Sega ruined.

>>6066

It;s so fast now. It just looks so mobile ish.

>>6066

what happened? I'm not watching the stream

Why is everything crossing over with Monster Hunter?

>>6069

it's popular and also good

It looks like it's starting now.

what if mighty

They must really be proud of that trailer

>shadow

ahhh you mean, the only guy other than sonic allowed to be cool?

>>6073

ikr? They shill it constantly.

Iizuka ugly as hell

>>6065

is today the day we get the concert/

oh my god they're playing the trailer again. That's twice in the span of 20 minutes

Jun Solo started

The audience clapping is so uncoordinated it's kind of funny to watch

Roof Top Run Remix hype

i finished that mighty/amy pic but i havent shaded since mid 2000s and it shows

>>6083

post it anyway

>>6082

It's pretty good. There's a Cool Edge remix in the game too. I'm glad Unleashed is getting attention

it was nothing

>>6085

**Now if only Unleashed came to PC…*

That Chibi Modern Sonic statue makes me think of Adventure era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyjufls8nds

>>6088

what chibi modern sonic statue

>>6091

Sorry

>>6090

>>6094

>those errors

yeah.. time to delete this post again sorry

>>6096

Heh, nice. I like the Sonic expression on top, too

>>6097

thanks !

>>6096

Poor Ray.

>>6091

Those are some big quills.

>>6091

I like it

>>6100

Disgusting

>>6099

nice

>>6106

thanks!

>>6110

this is cute

BUT HES WRONG

>>6110

>>6113

Tryharding the cool is not cool bro.

>>6114

it's cool when he does it

What about a score attack based Sonic game?

Or something like Tony Hawk?

>>6118

Aww, thanks anon!

>>6117

It's called Sonic Riders.

>>6121

That's a racing game.

>>6122

Isn't Sonic about racing to the goal?

When was the last time you played through Scrap Brain Zone?

>>6128

15 years ago on Sonic Mega Collection

>>6128

literally once

damn Mania for reusing that boss

>>6128

I played it a few months ago, but yeah, I try not to revisit it too much.

>>6091

Holy shit that's a huge fucking hedgehog. I thought it was like a figure from the image.

>>6124

I like it. I don't have any specific comments though. I don't know anything about color theory or art

>>6136

They really are.

>>6142

nice

>>6142

Good stuff. Enjoy yourself, anon

>>6143

>>6144

>>6145

I've been playing blue spheres w/ my friend for 48 minutes straight and we dont feel anymore

>>6146

F

>>6142

Nice. Those look in great shape!

>stickers on box

Peeving.

>>6146

Here's some blue sphere music since you obviously can't have enough of it.

Man, I want to have some way to embed a blue sphere game in the board.

>>6150

Oh shit I mean the Japanese side of Sonic in general.

Eimi is literally the only exception.

>>6150

I think a reason for it was that it was kinda reminiscent of Roger Rabbit, with a cartoon character like Sonic & a more realistic human like Elise, or Madonna, etc.

>>6152

The only reason that worked was because Americans don't actually see that as straight forward, they treat it like it's a joke (which it mostly was in the context of it being a cartoon). But when it got introduced in the beta of Sonic 1's back story as a serious concept, it was scraped, and when it finally got pushed with Sonic 2006, it was panned. But I also feel like it was panned majority because it was forced and basically one sided.

>>6154

How about some Sonic R?

>>6155

Thanks

TGS day 4 starting

>>6157

No Sonic today, right?

>>6158

Not sure, but Jun is performing

Sonic and Amy bicker a lot but the hate sex is fantastic

>>6160

It's a pet rabbit

>>6163

I realized but I couldn't find a name for rabbit animals in Sonic and I didn't think the animals as a whole had a name, flickies being what came closest.

>>6165

>>6166

R.I.P. the news thread

>>6166

Although I've seen this posted before on 4/sthg/ a while back ago, I still enjoy the fact Sonic has his Jap box art colors again instead of that shitty light blue in Forces and for Classic Gens Sonic

>>6165

Well, I hope they live up to their promise. I remember the reason it died off in the first place was solely because of dev whiplash between companies or something.

Please no Sonic Mania 2. I want a Sonic game with high fidelity visuals.

>>6165

Please, SEGA. We want JSR back.

>>6170

Nice.

>>6169

>I want a Sonic game with high fidelity visuals.

Not happening as long as the games still come to the Switch given Forces performance issues there.

>>6172

But Unleashed looked great, even Colors looked great.

>>6173

Colors was colorful and had enough style to overcome it's not so great graphics. Unleashed I'll give you, though it's important to remember the Wii/PS2 versions are not the same game as the 360/PS3 versions and it suffered heavy performance issues.

I think Sonic Team and SEGA are looking to have the same game on all platforms and they struggled with the Switch pretty hard in that Forces both got a visual downgrade and half the framerate of the other versions.

Maybe with time they'll figure it out, but this first outing was not a great outing.

>>6169

Explain how isn't that already done in Mania? Give me examples of something better.

>Inb4 muh Advance

This is 5 times better than that outdated crap. I rather Mania 2 or Sonic Advance 4 NOT reuse old artstyles based on old sprites. Something new plz.

>>6176

Sonic Fan Remix

Sonic Generations

Rayman Origins

>>6173

Not him but Unleashed was made with a talented art and graphics team that both got fucked over by overblown ratings. Either go play the Mario's Olympics games for the graphics or hope someone else beats Unleashed's art style because those guys left the gaming industry.

>>6177

I literally hate all of those over Mania's mix of 3K and CD. If anything, I'd take OVA hand drawn if we go with the Rayman Origins example, which would work.

>>6178

IIRC, it was just the director of Unleashed who left the gaming industry. I think some of the other team members stayed at SEGA, or went to Nintendo.

>>6180

I thought he went to Square Enix or some other company.

>>6181

He did at first, then left afterwards.

>>6186

Update: I asked a staff member if they have it, he replied with

>Oh, we dont you're thinking of a British plane

So it seems Fleetway got their hands on it before we could

>>6188

No, just having fun

Update: I had a hot dog, but they didn't have any chili

http://www.britannia.com/history/biographies/nimue.html

>Merlin fell so deeply in love with Nimue that he agreed to teach her all his mystical powers.

>The lady became Merlin's scribe, who recorded his prophecies, as well as his lover.

>Unfortunately however, over the years, the Lady became so powerful that her magical skills outshone even her teacher and she imprisoned him in Glass Tower (or similar dungeon).

sonic colors is basically sonic unleashed but with the werehog stages

merged into the daytime stages.

>>6193

Well, if you're referring to how flow breaking the Wisps are like the Werehog, I agree. But oh no, it doesn't look as retarded so I'll support the game despite being watered down…

>>6193

the cube wisp is the werehog

>>6192

interesting

>>6197

Don't remember seeing that first pic, but it's nice.

>>6198

I think that came from EpicTones last year

>>6201

Compared to Sonic? I dunno, but Mario does get some pretty messed up fetish art. haha

>>6201

if Pokemon counts there's a ton of fetish art

Have you guys ever noticed on half chans v the sonic girl and mario girl threads get the same ips but the sonic girl threads get deleted faster?

>>6204

That's because Rouge threads are just /trash/ porn threads that get sent there when the mods get triggered, and they don't care about Amy so they just delete it. Both are just mean for porn art to get posted.

>>6205

Through, tbf, Peach gets the same shit but she last longer. Likely because of the whole non furry shit allowed rule.

Stuff like this makes me wonder if Sonic shouldnt take advantage of all the self-aware and proud degenerates in video game communities these days

Mario's been making its girls thiccer (Rosalina and Pauline) and showing hints of romance and other stuff more, while Sonic is regressing when it was popular for that type of shit in the 90s/2000s in its comics, ect.

Okay, TGS is over. When is the next time we might be due for news? Not long for the end of the year and TSR's release now.

>>6209

The only thing we got is the Mania Team is now in Japan. Hopefully, they are starting to work on a new game now.

>>6210

No, I mean, when would the next event where we might get news be?

>>6211

Night anon.

>>6213

Not sure. I'm guessing TSR is bascailly done and any other news would come from sources like Famitsu or something. At this point, sometime in 2019 are we going to get news whether or not the next Sonic Team game is either Puyo Puyo, or a Modern Sonic game based on the movie.

>>6217

Japan don’t care about blue rats.

>>6218

Once again, Americans have superior tastes. sometimes

Bumb. Good morning /sthg/.

People on halfchan once said this game would be better than TSR. Well, does it? I'm kinda seeing it, because it actually doesn't look half assed and have a visible trick system that doesn't seem automated for you

>>6219

not just americans, from what i studied is everyone else but japan

No one has realizes this yet, but….

TEAM SONIC RACING DOESN'T HAVE GREEN HILL OR CHEMICAL PLANT.

>>6225

if the game sells poorly, what are the chances Sega will think it's due to not enough classic sonic nostalgia pandering instead of the game being worked on by inexperienced devs, having underwhelming roster, the bland tracks, etc.? You know they rarely ever take away the right message from their games

>>6226

I surprisingly don't have a problem with the tracks.

>>6225

*yet

We've only see like 3 stages, they being Cool Edge, Rooftop and Planet Wisp. It's looking good to be only Unleashed+ era stages, but there's nothing stating atm this is the case. And I serious doubt they can make a decent sized stage roster if they only used Unleashed-Forces levels, if they are going to be fair with at least 2 stages each.

>>6228

> only Unleashed+ era stages,

I hope it's not this. It would be nice to get something from SA1/2 and Heroes at least.

>>6225

Motherfucker, you probably just jinxed it! Why would you do that!

>>6229

What SA1/2 stages would be cool to see back in TSR to race in?

>>6231

None that was already done in Generaions. I'm fucking tired of City Escape fanwank.

Radical Highway basically screams for it, or something more innovated for a choice, Metal Harbor, which is my choice. Mainly for that Metal Habor remix I was rejected having for Generations…

>>6231

SA1 - Twinkle Park, Windy Valley, Sky Deck

SA2 - Pumpkin Hill + Sky Rail if we don't get Hang Castle from Heroes. Radical Highway would be nice, even just to have a track that takes place at night. Some kind of stage that combines Meteor Herd + Final Rush/Chase would be cool too.

>>6234

what

>>6235

>9:38

>>6236

Huh. You learn something new everyday

Honestly Ian Flynn does more to promote the Sonic brand on his twitter.

Straight up I think Ian Flynn should replace Aaron Webber and cut several of his writing gigs if necessary.

>>6238

I don't disagree imo. No offense to Aaron.

I'd even like Ian writing the games if given the chance.

>>6238

What's Aarons' problem anyway?

>>6239

I don't want Ian to write the games but I'd love it if he did localization and Maekawa wrote the stories

>>6240

I think one thing people should keep in mind is that Aaron isn't the only person promoting the series via social media, just the mots prominent one.

>>6241

I think that's what I meant to say but the Storybook writer is gone, right? And SEGA don't rehire people, or really any Jap company really.

>>6243

Yeah, he left a while after Black Knight. He apparently wants to come back, but it's unlikely.

Ian does seemingly have a decent relationship with SEGA, so he may work on a game someday. Not that I'd mind that, since he's pretty solid

>>6238

Aaron does more than just social media stuff. He has to be present at most events for Sonic and involved with a lot of other corporate stuff.

>>6245

Yeah, but Flynn could do that too

I used to defend Aaron Webber all the time but I honestly think he should be fired

>>6247

I rather they fired Kishimoto since he's making the series look bad with shit games.

>>6248

maybe they can fire both and we can start over somewhat fresh

>>6249

Start over how? Sonic's bad games isn't going to magically go away. I'm fine with just having Sonic doing new things since I'll never see a Sonic game just work unless it's by fans. And even then, the public won't let Sonic win so why bother?

I wouldn't be so meh about the series if it was still doing new shit. Mania would have be 10/10 if it wasn't for SEGA fucking it up.

>>6241

Why do so many people want Maekawa back? I know the status SA1 and 2 tend to have and I know that what came afterwards wasn't better (with some exceptions), but they weren't that well written. Can't speak of Black Knight since I haven't played it and I know people tend to like it a lot, but I would have expected people to want better if somehow a miracle happened and we got the chance of having a better writer.

>>6251

I feel it's about the same logic with how "Shitty friends" came to be. Or how apparently now whenever someone say "they want Adventure gameplay back" they actually mean 1/6 of it, being Sonic's gameplay. But just like both sayings, neither are actually what SEGA is understanding when spoken to about these topics.

Case in point, they want the tone of the 2000s era Sonic back. That's all they want back. But to them, this includes Maekawa, despite wether or not was his writing "poor" or not, they just want their nostagia. And as a 90s era Sonicfan, I'm REALLY getting tired of nostalgia fanwank of any era of Sonic right now. I'm dying for something new for Sonic the Hedgehog, cuz it's been 10 years since he had anything new for his world.

>>6252

Well, nostalgia & the belief that if the series is gonna have dumb plots it should at least be an entertaining kind of dumb.

But yeah, the tone of the Adventure era had its time & place, but the series has to keep moving forward. Try some new (& good) things, rather than going back to the same 'old, same old.

>>6246

But does he want to?

>>6247

For what?

>>6254

Yes, and I can completely understand. But since it's been so long since we had something that actually was new for the series, it's gotten to me more than it should, especially seeing this new age of 3D fan games coming out the woodworks, only to realize they'll likely never make a completed game because in 2006 + 12, games now "need" these to be something people would then actually care about, not just for the gameplay. As much as a full game of Sonic Utopia or Sonic Islands would be enough for me, just with new environments instead of course, it still wouldn't be enough for this fanbase now since most of the fans grow up on Sonic in the 2000s, the story era of Sonic.

Half chan's sthg thread is at 107 ips.. what the fuck is going on?

>>6257

Is it filled with more shitposting than normal? I haven't been there for like 3 weeks now.

Another thing I noticed, isn't the one that draws art in pen one of the shitposters? There's so much of his art in the booru now, I thought they weren't going to post their stuff there anymore?

>>6258

Yes he is, he's a rather infamous shitposter and likes to push out drawfags except me and a few other people for some reason

I think its because /v/ linked sthg to their thread

>>6259

Well, I'm one other drawfag that posts stuff here, but I didn't know others came here too. I just hear some things about that place sometimes, and it seem to have gotten poor so I thought to spent time here instead, since I honestly enjoy how calm it is here without missing much.

>>6260

Thanks, I guess? Do others that come from there come here too?

>>6261

I would guess most of us here would be from there, wouldn't you?

>>6262

Well, I guess. I thought this was it's own thing that had people go between both when they found out about each other, like that Discord thing I heard a while back ago. I wasn't sure if people just stop going to one or the other like I did.

>>6261

***honestly my reason is that i keep getting constantly banned on halfchan on any board, any hint of aggressive tone from me makes me get banned for a few days even though everyone else on 4chan is like this

>there's a janitor i had personal beef with so im wondering if this is all related since this has been happening since he got re-added***

Also I'm feeling sad about the franchise lately, because of the current shit it's in and generally pessimistic tone of the fans. I would go other fandoms but it has other problems that I don't feel like getting into.

I have a lot of ideas for this series *like a fun series of animations made by me and my friend but I think I have no audience for it since people would rather focus on waifus instead these days* … sigh.

I just feel a little disappointe.d

>>6265

Oh, that's really sad to hear. I actually got something simular, but it wasn't because of what I said, but something I posted didn't seem to liked by someone so after getting banned, I felt the state of the whole site itself plus anytime I get the time to remember to go to 4/sthg when I could and seeing how it can be a times, among just being so fast I can't read every post, I just came here after I remembered this place was mentioned from there before and had it saved in my bookmarkers.

Also, from what I know of this place now, you can spoiler things with 2 of * in the place of the 4chan spoiler tag instead.

>>6263

>I thought this was it's own thing that had people go between both when they found out about each other

Yeah, but still most people here are from 4/sthg/

>>6266

>since people would rather focus on waifus instead these days

This is another thing I've been starting to hate about this era of Internet sadly.

So let's say for some reason SEGA decides to make a non-racing spinoff Sonic game.

What type of spinoff game would you lot wanna see?

>>6270

I'd bring up RPG because of how many people want stories in Sonic so much, but no one right now can right Sonic good in the gaming side of him, so I don't know. I'd personally want something about combat or collection based for something like Chao Garden sim.

>>6269

It was always a problem but you had more creative content counteracting it, you know? Flash animations, sprite comics, ect, people call them "cringe" now and yeah, a lot used rehashed ideas from other medias which was disappointing and boring to me at the time, but also there were genuinely talented people at the time doing something new and fresh at the time.

So along with few talent and dedication almost NEVER being used outside of lewds or stuff like RPs being limited to ERP bullshit, the online creative community is far more creatively bankrupt than it used to be and it shows. And this goes for East and West.

Honestly the more this decade progresses the more I am cynical for the future, and I am not just saying that because of what I talked about here, but literally everything about this world after the internet got mainstream.

i can't wait until this series finally bites the bullet and scraps everything after 1996

>>6272

RPG is another great idea.

>no one right now can right Sonic good in the gaming side of him

What can they do right in the gaming side of Sonic right now?

>>6274

I don't think I want a sausage fest of characters tbh

I think something better can happen

>>6273

I hate to say it but I think Net Neutrality is either going to be the make or break it thing of the 2020s. Either it fixes this generations drug addition to it, or it will be an opposite extreme side of the spectrum and make everyone lash out on impulse and might cause global war. Either way, Humanity created the Internet far too soon to enjoy it in the long run.

>>6274

I would probably leave the fandom and stop caring about the franchise if that happens

>>6275

>What can they do right in the gaming side of Sonic right now?

Get more talented fans to make Sonic content for now and give them bigger budgets and time. I'd even ask for an American branch Sonic Team back, so Sonic Team of Japan could just make games that pander just to Nips and weebs.

>>6280

Who are these people? I guess anyone that wasn't a 90s kid would, because it was very evident back in the 90s. I think the moment Sonic went to Nintendo, it was over.

>>6281

It's a lot of people in the fandom who discuss the state of Sonic or why Mario is more popular than Sonic, the truth of the matter its several factors, and family-friendly shit always has more longer sustaining and higher peaks of popularity than more edgy shit anyway for really obvious reasons (a really funny example, but in the entertainment industry nonetheless, see Spongebob vs Ren and Stimpy even though the latter is the original but follows an edgier and more ground-breaking formula; but if you want to go more a little weird, Michael Jackson vs Prince in terms of popularity; the analogy is a little off-kilter but its easy to get right?)

>>6279

>so Sonic Team of Japan could just make games that pander just to Nips and weebs.

You mean shit like Puyo Puyo right? Because making Sonic more detached from its obvious Western sensibilities and style was the worst choice they could have done.

>>6283

The franchise works best when it has a proper mix of Western/Easter sensibilities. Sonic has & always will be a Japanese-made franchise, thus it's no surprise that it'll always have some sensibilities from there. However, keeping that while having its Western stuff is something that could work at making it appealing to both sides of the fandom.

>>6283

You mean shit like Puyo Puyo right?

Yeeep. Because it panders to Nipnogs. That's why we should just get an American branch of Sonic Team, by the fans, for the fans, as they say. Japan never really got Sonic like the West did, so just let the west have his games based on how the 90s did it. And if there anyone that wants the 2000s, you'd get that from SoJ, everyone now import shit from everywhere these days so if you really want it, you get that.

I agree, making Sonic more Jap focused and set in very realistic locations, not to mention add in so much convolved backstory that's not even about Sonic's past, but his edgy look a like, just ruined the family friendly image Sonic could have had at that point. Something I didn't like about Yuji Naka, he may have been a good programmer, but just because Sonic isn't being "antsy" doesn't make him being cuteish makes him Hello Kitty or something. If Sonic never boomed in 90s, then being niche for edge wouldn't have been a issue. But the problem is, he's a MASCOT. He has to sell for everyone, and this means edgy shit is a no go for longterm. Is Kingdom Hearts for everyone? No, it's not. That's why you still have Disney for Mickey Mouse at his prime, not KH.

>>6284

No doubt about that, I do think Western should have dominance more though, however the parts to come out of Japanese Sonic was when it was actively trying to appeal to Westerners and using our tropes ect. I think that and also Western Sonic are good things and fit the franchise, since I observed the reception to those are actually quite good and mainstream as opposed to the extremely anime shonen type of shit sonic 06, sonic heroes, even sonic forces, has.

>>6284

Also, I never bought into this idea that "Only the West really got how Sonic works," when the franchise has never been one particular thing throughout it's whole existence. Even back in the 90s you had all sorts of different interpretations about the lore of the series (like the entire canon SoA made), different branches of the series that took the franchise in other directions etc.

Adding that with how important SoJ & the East has been to the series & still is (like Sonic Team helping Mania Team), I think that it's far from a good idea to have just one side having more dominance over everything.

And tbh, I feel like a lot of that is just people speaking from what they prefer, rather than what would be guaranteed to work.

>>6286

God fuck that convoluted backstory and honestly, the creation of Shadow. Have you guys noticed since Shadow got introduced none of the characters other than him, Sonic, and the other Modern characters were portrayed as cool, likeable, or even powerful like they were in the Classic Era? Disjointed thought here, but I think SEGA making these characters more lame and toddlerish, while adding childish characters that act like children (Charmy, Tails, later Amy, Marine) was a bad decision on their part as well, because it made Sonic's friends look lame and rather unlikeable, even though anyone who was around in the 90s or just was really into the Classic side of the franchise knew they were dope instead of power creepers and shonen archetypes.

>>6289

Agreed. I appreciate stuff from the Western & Eastern sides of the series, but all the same, I prefer a balance over just shooting for appealing to one side more than the other.

>>6289

Cool art aside, I liked how the Classic sonic cast wore street wear or had designs obviously based on classic western toons, and looked more causal, I find Amy's re-design very unfitting for her and makes her too anime-like.

>>6288

I think the early manga, the ova, and shit, still fit with the western sonic 90s tone or at least outdoes it a little, then in the 2000s you had it feel really annoying and obviously heavily biased to the japanese side

>>6294

I honestly don't see it.

I mean, SA2 itself was heavily inspired by the team going to the US & seeing places like San Francisco, with City Escape being based off it.

I mean yeah, the series had a lot of "shonen" tropes around the introduction of Shadow, but all the same, it's not something I think the series was gonna avoid if they took the franchise in any other direction, when you consider that Shonen anime was incredibly popular in the West, thanks to the likes of Dragon Ball Z. Not to mention, Sonic's been biting off of Shonen since the introduction of Super forms in 2.

But that's just me, not really looking to get into a East/West argument here.

>>6295

Fuck sake, I meant to say that I see where you're coming from, but all the same, I honestly don't see it that much, in terms of it being more biased to the Japanese fanbase.

The franchise having Shonen elements in it has been a part of the series for ages & while it did continue into the 2000s, there was still a lot there that one was still appealing to Western audiences.

>>6295

Well I did mention the East and West admixture was interesting and praised a lot of early East interpretations of Sonic, I also liked SA1 and SA2 and did back then.

Now anything after.. yeah it's like a children's anime and not in a good way

>>6288

What about SatAM and AoSTH? Those aren't using all Jap contexts and it was thanks to SatAM we got 20 years of the Archie comics. To say the East had more is only regarding the games.

And the reasons I call it out is how Sonic is as a GAME series. Cuz many people of the 2000s don't seem to make a big deal over the gameplay and instead care only for the narrative. In fact, that's my point entirely about how Japs didn't get Sonic, they didn't care for his gameplay so they added gimmicks 20 years straight without refining what they had like Mario did.

Honestly it feels like Sonic works better as a cartoon, comic, or movie series. Observing people for so many years they are more into Sonic characters and the lore itself than the games.

>>6118

Kek is that you tegaki anon

>>6295

That's entirely surface level. Did any location in SA2 even relate to what was happening narrative? You could have had Heroes themes and locals with the narrative of SA2 and nothing would change at all.

The most important areas in Sonic Adventure 2 was the Ark (not American) outside of biblical reference, that Pyramid base (also not something mainly thought of in America) and the US goverment ( the only thing American, and guess what, it's tied to many people's dislike for humans in Sonic now when it wasn't a problem before it).

The game narratively fits a more Bleach type nattive, and SA1 was more like TMNT. I'd dbet to differ and said it was a happy and fair balance of West and East, considering Yuji Naka himself stated he wanted more Jap influences because he didn't like the American influences, namely the ones that made Sonic look cuter and Hello Kitty like as a series.

>>6299

I agree, I've been saying that for a while. I think it's the characters and the lore that have, for the most part, kept the fanbase together for this long, and animated works don't suffer from a lot of the issues Sonic games have struggled with for the past 15 years.

>>6302

Is this because gameplay is just "undoable" in 3D or is it even regarded the 2D games, both classic and advance/rush era?

>>6303

Not him, but I believe it's doable in 3D. But, I think some of the biggest problems Sonic games have faced comes from SEGA stretching themselves too thin by adding stuff to appeal to a lot of different people (like the Werehog being added for people who aren't Sonic fans, guns because a lot of fans requested it, fishing/mech shooting to show off the Dreamcast, etc.)

Not to mention, the fuckery that can go down inside SEGA like people leaving during the games development, one-half of the level design team getting sick causing the other half to nearly die trying to finish the game, SEGA's obsession with deadlines instead of delaying certain games that really could've used it, etc.

>>6303

I was mostly speaking about the 3D games, and I wouldn't say it's undoable, just that there are a lot of drawbacks, like the length of the game (Heroes has you playing through the same stages several times, Unleashed made you collect medals before allowing you to continue, etc.), the difficulty in reusing assets and finding a way to streamline content creation for the games, and so on.

>>6307

So Sonic, Shadow, Silver & Amy are confirmed thots?

>>6306

I imagine there's just a lot of internal shit going on that we don't know much about. I hope it clears up either way.

>>6307

>hedgehogs rouse from hibernation

Do pet hedgehogs hibernate too?

I think Sonic and his friends are African hedgehogs but those too, are promiscuous and polygamous so it counts still.

>>6310

Sonic and allegedly Amy are, but Shadow and Silver are white chested hedgies.

Because Sonic and Amy are Africans, Sonic and Amy should always have tan muzzles no matter what people say :^)

>>6313

And exposed bellies and closer, similar noses.

Got some free time coming in the next few hours. Any requests? n/sfw allowed.

>>6316

Would always appreciate more Sage and Bump.

>>6316

Manic

Now that Forces died can we get humans in the games again?

>>6320

I don't think Forces has died. The game might not have done great but I think they want the franchise to have a lot of elements from Forces so we'll probably see its influence for some time. Or maybe they'll abort that and move on to some other ridiculous idea, wash rinse repeat etc..

>>6320

I'd totally want them back as long as they don't look like discount GTA/FF102 characters and used them more like SA1/Unleashed in terms of importance instead of G.U.N. conspiracy bs. Just make them the SWAT team and that's it, nothing else.

>>6322

I actually really love SA2s realistic plot and I am surprised it is so contested. I guess being such a drastic departure will turn a lot of people away.

>>6321

TSR already abandons Forces.

>>6323

This. I'd kill to have those kind of plots back.

>>6323

It's the equivalent of Disney's Mickey Mouse and Kingdom Hearts' Mickey Mouse. It's not going to be something you can just make work for everyone. Most people that likes the 2000s era got introduced to Sonic then. And it's much different to the 90s era. Even 2010 is different to both eras.

>>6324

It's a spinoff, it's not canon.

>>6327

It still could have more Forces elements and chooses to avoid any obvious references to it, instead going back to Colours and Unleashed and Heroes.

>>6328

Heroes?

And as far as we know, this game isn't finished revealling everything for it yet since we only have 2 stages from Unleashed and one from Colors. That's a shit roster, no matter what you do. It's very likely Unleashed - Forces is going to get representation, except Generations since it wasn't original.

>>6329

>That's a shit roster, no matter what you do

Why? In terms of locations Unleashed has a lot to offer. Planet Wisp isn't bad either.

Do you think they're going to have some sort of explanation for past stages returning this time?

>>6320

Probably, but then they'll disappear again because Sonic Team can't into consistency.

>>6331

Sweet sweet they're so sweet.

>>6331

Ha, cool.

>>6331

Lot of Classic Amy. Wonder if they're planning to do something with her.

>>6330

No, but why reuse like 6 stages from the same game? Mario doesn't reuse the same locals from the same game it's from as many as 2 at most. Sonic has plenty of places to pick that jsut singling one or two games is bad. And considering how Unleashed got panned, it makes little sense rehashing many stages from it even if I liked that game despite fan reception. At best, you had 4 games in the Pontaff era to pick from, and if like with Forces you want SA/2 nostalgia fanwank, you have 3 more that's acceptable from fans (if one of those is from ShTH, then 4.)

>>6331

Wonder why it's Classic styled.

>>6300

yes

>>6340

fleetway amy is a cunt and eimi looks awkward as fuck

>>6341

>fleetway amy is a cunt

better than being a fan girl

>awkward as fuck

what looks awkward is looking like an anime hooker or a pink sonic

>>6340

Fleetway isn't canon. It's like asking for American Box Art Sonic instead of expecting them to use Jap art Sonic.

>>6342

>better than being a fan girl

because no functioning person would like sonic

>what looks awkward is looking like an anime hooker or a pink sonic

she's never looked like any hooker ive seen. what freaky shit have you been into?

>>6340

I hate Fleetway Amy's design. I don't think I've seen a convincing picture of it yet. Fleetway's art didn't help.

>>6343

That would work if Mania didn't use Ray's redesign from Archie and Mighty's personality from Archie.

>>6344

>because no functioning person would like sonic

What? Do you really think fangirl "SONIC IS MY LIFE" amy is actually a good characterization? I dont get why you people want her to be so uncool and lame as possible.

>she's never looked like any hooker ive seen. what freaky shit have you been into?

Yeah because a backless short red skater dress and thigh highs totally aren't freaky, yo.

>>6346

It looks far, far, better than Game Amy's design which looks like weeb trash and totally dumps the street and pop culture aesthetics the early Sonic games had.

>>6347

It went over the bumb limit

>>6346

I think Fleetway's design is good, but I can't say I prefer it to her Game design.

>>6348

>What? Do you really think fangirl "SONIC IS MY LIFE" amy is actually a good characterization? I dont get why you people want her to be so uncool and lame as possible.

kill the all or nothing bullshit okay? that's why sonic team is shit

look, between aaron webber sucking off youtubers who've made a career out of shitting on sonic, and tails- who flip-flops between being an antagonistic little shit or stapled to sonic's jock, it's nice to have a character who likes sonic openly and was inspired to become a more courageous person because of it

>Yeah because a backless short red skater dress and thigh highs totally aren't freaky, yo.

now we're talking about modern amy? which is it?

>>6348

I don't think she looks better at all. Amy's game design looks much more in line with the rest of the characters and doesn't have weeb characteristics so exaggerated that I'd say she looks like "weeb trash".

>the street and pop culture aesthetics the early Sonic games had

What do you mean with this in terms of character designs? And while you're on it, it'd be interesting to discuss that in a general way too. What "street and pop culture aesthetics" you see when you look at GHZ, Chemical Plant, Lava Reef Zone, Ice Cap Zone, or whatever other zone you want? In some cases I could see it, like those based on real life things like the casino zones, but otherwise?

Fleetway Amy is closer to Tangle than what we know of Amy now.

>>6352

I like the Japanese and American elements of the series, but it's clear most people who like one or the other, well, only likes one or the other.

>>6353

>kill the all or nothing bullshit okay? that's why sonic team is shit

No, I'm aware it doesn't have to be all or nothing but the way the games are set up it definitely is.

I'm judging it based on the game's characterizations of her pretty much from anything in the dark ages. To be honest I don't even care that much about her swooning over Sonic period, because it's old at this point and the flanderization has soured my taste for it completely, she should either be his girlfriend or get rid of that unnecessary character point period; or at the very least make it quite minor.

>it's nice to have a character who likes sonic openly and was inspired to become a more courageous person because of it

I don't like shonen tropes with the "power of love" bullshit, it's just corny to me especially since it's played as one sided or boringly ambiguous. It's partially the reason why Amy was never as popular as Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow in the West.

>now we're talking about modern amy? which is it?

I was talking about both modern games amy and classic games amy, which I don't really like either the design of.

>>6354

>I don't think she looks better at all. Amy's game design looks much more in line with the rest of the characters and doesn't have weeb characteristics so exaggerated that I'd say she looks like "weeb trash".

No she doesn't, the characters are based off heavy pop culture references and have street or causal wear, or motifs heavily based on Western cartoons at least the classic cast; do I have to explain this really?

>What do you mean with this in terms of character designs? And while you're on it, it'd be interesting to discuss that in a general way too. What "street and pop culture aesthetics" you see when you look at GHZ, Chemical Plant, Lava Reef Zone, Ice Cap Zone, or whatever other zone you want? In some cases I could see it, like those based on real life things like the casino zones, but otherwise?

Dude, it's the fact Sonic was based on Michael Jackson and Bill Clinton ,the fact that Knuckles has a nike symbol on his chest, the fact that every character wore tennis shoes, the fact that the music had heavy New Jack Swing and R&B influence, the fact that Sega was marketed to the urban crowd back in the 90s, the fact Sonic itself is heavily based on Americana, ect ect.

Are you a Modern fan or something?

>>6355

I don't really see what the problem with Tangle is other than them possibly hinting at a gay subtext

>>6357

>possibly

This key word makes this sound sujbective instead of objective. Just saying.

>>6356

Imo not a part of this topic but I do see where you're coming from. Making the characters not go anywhere like they are in a time loop (they are though and is enforced this way) is boring, dragged out and if anything, forced.

>>6356

> It's partially the reason why Amy was never as popular as Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow in the West.

Tails and Knuckles are popular because 30-year olds remember them from S3&K, the last Sonic game worth a shit. Shadow is popular because he's a glorified Sonic clone and his SA2 gameplay reflected it

>>6359

Those contradict each other.

Just admit the girly-girl fangirl stuff did more harm than good. For a long ass time American fans preferred Bunnie Rabbot and Sally Acorn over Amy Rose for a reason.

>>6359

I'd agree to this imo, although I hear most people that hated modern Amy was thanks to all the yandure traits she got in Heroes, X and Battle. Even if that trait hasn't been relevant since then, over 13 years.

>>6356

I'd wager that Tails & Knuckles debut games being on systems the majority of people actually bought & Shadow having a major starring role in his debut title had a lot more to do with their popularity, as opposed to Amy being a girly girl.

And even then, It's not like her "girly-girl fangirl" trait has harmed her character more than every other character has been harmed by bad writing throughout the years. Because of how he was written in most of the post-SA2 games, Shadow catches a lot of hate for being "ow the edge," Knuckles was dismissed by a lot of fans as a "fucking idiot" because of stuff like X, Tails is catching a ton of hate nowadays because of his writing in Lost World, Forces etc.

>>6356

>Dude, it's the fact Sonic was based on Michael Jackson and Bill Clinton ,the fact that Knuckles has a nike symbol on his chest, the fact that every character wore tennis shoes, the fact that the music had heavy New Jack Swing and R&B influence, the fact that Sega was marketed to the urban crowd back in the 90s, the fact Sonic itself is heavily based on Americana, ect ect.

>

Classic Amy probably was modeled after 80s female pop artists like Madonna and Cindi Lauper

>>6363

Madonna used a lot of punk aesthetics and appealed to the urban crowd back in the 80s with her house music and heavy R&B influences also, having the same producer as Janet jackson helped.

Same for Cyndi to a lesser extent.

R&B, its offshoots, and its more watered down variants, music was really popular back in the 80s and 90s, before it shifted over completely to rap.

>>6362

Well, didn't Shadow have that game because of his popularity to begin with? Hell, I see people give Blaze her props more than Amy in non-Sonic fandom, or even shit, non imageboard / non-lewd Sonic fandom discussion, even though Amy is a Classic character and has had better interpretations of her character than most of the Sonic girls that people aren't aware of for obvious reasons.

I really think making Amy just the girly-girl who loves Sonic is a waste of character, she should have been one of the boys while keeping some of that girly impishness and mischief there, or just Sonic's ACTUAL girlfriend like she was intended to be.

And yeah, all the characters got fucking butchered because SEGA is too fucking dumb to understand why people like Sonic to begin with, and it's not just because of Sonic, but at least those characters are remembered fondly for their good characterizations in the past, can't say that for Amy.

>>6360

>Those contradict each other.

No they don't. S3&K was the last Sonic game that was really worth a shit, but it wasn't the last game that was popular.

>Just admit the girly-girl fangirl stuff did more harm than good. For a long ass time American fans preferred Bunnie Rabbot and Sally Acorn over Amy Rose for a reason

because they were kids who accepted whatever they were sat down in front of and Satam was the only American thing out at the time making use of it's characters in a dramatic story

>>6338

Nice.

I hope this doesn't mean you've given up on the other sthg though, I really like your shoddy art style and the current OP is even using one of your drawings if I'm not mistaken.

>>6365

>didn't Shadow have that game because of his popularity to begin with?

Shadow mostly got that game because people wanted a game where Sonic uses guns & SEGA figured it would be OOC for Sonic himself to use him. His popularity was capitalized on no doubt, but it ended up doing more harm to Shadow than good.

And people mostly give Blaze props in non-Sonic fandom because she never had her character flanderized to the extent that Amy, Shadow, Knuckles & Tails later on would see, mostly due to the fact that Blaze's biggest exposure in the series would be two DS spinoffs.

And speaking honestly, most of the fond memories people have for characters like Knuckles, Tails or Shadow extends to only one or two games, or just the gameplay these characters had in said one or two games. If Amy was playable in a Sonic game & had good gameplay in it, you'd see people 20 years down the line having fond memories of her, too. Even though you kinda see that these days anyways, from most of the people who played Advance when it came out.

>>6365

Blaze being from an "Alternate Dimension" and not always being available is the only thing keeping her from being fucking butchered like the rest of the cast. Even still, 06 mad an attempt. If we had her instead of Amy this whole time, SEGA would've found a way to fuck her up.

>>6368

This is the kinda of logic I wished people said more.

>If the characters didn't get shat on with shitty gimmicky gameplay, people would like them (and extention, like the games)

No brainer. But then you get people saying it's only the characters story elements you care about like it's so important, only for the series to become niche because A: shitty gameplay = shitty game, no matter the story's quality and B: most people don't care deeply about the backstory about a blue rat and friends going fast and beating Eggman.

I agree, if you just stuck with the characters being good gameplay wise, that alone would help immensely instead of just banking on story telling for a video game series.

>>6370

Yeah. I mean don't get me wrong, the stories can be fun too & I know there's Sonic fans that stuck around because of the characters they enjoyed & all, but at the end of the day, the gameplay is the most important factor when it comes to Sonic games.

>>6356

>No she doesn't, the characters are based off heavy pop culture references and have street or causal wear, or motifs heavily based on Western cartoons at least the classic cast; do I have to explain this really?

So far you haven't explained anything really, like why she's "weeb trash" or why she's not based on western cartoons motifs. Whether she's based or not on pop culture references is not really necessary for a good design, or one that fits with the rest of the characters. Fleetway Amy does have less formal wear, though, but I have no idea how you can like the clothes and colors she uses.

>it's the fact Sonic was based on Michael Jackson and Bill Clinton

This is the best known case, and it translated into what, Sonic's shoes and finger waggle? Can you cite other cases that had specific impact on things, and would you be able to go back to the thing that it references or was based on without the devs saying it?

>Are you a Modern fan or something?

Why wouldn't I be? Are you going to shitpost about it?

>>6372

in this fanbase, "modern fan" is a slur

>>6365

>didn't Shadow have that game

Shadow had a game probably because of his popularity but he had that (specific) game ultimately because it's what Sega could come up with.

>>6374

I really wished they'd make something new for Shadow back then instead of romhacked Hereos with Guns. Should have made a Kingdom Hearts kind of gameplay style instead.

>>6365

Shadow's "debut title" was SA2 not ShTH

>>6366

The first part is opinion, the second part is a fact.

If you're going to try to debate me try to not to put your unrelated subjectivities in your statements, thanks.

>>6368

I see, though parts like character discussion in the fandom, you often get the sense that people do find Amy quite lame and doesn't fit with the classic cast like she's supposed to. Observing how her character has been used over decades, I am inclined to agree, because I feel she fits more as an action character to Knuckles, Tails, and Sonic since SEGA wants to put her like that but is really half-assing it.

>>6369

That's true.

>>6372

What do you mean I haven't explained anything? So because YOU personally can't understand it I haven't explained anything? LOL. Amazing.

The design philosophy of Sonic characters is based on a very certain atmosphere and particular era callbacks [and then at the time, contemporary], that's why characters like Silver and later Shadow for many people feel out of place.

As to why she looks like weeb trash, she resembles an anime character that belongs in a shonen series like someone like a magical girl or Sakura from Naruto. The red-and-pink palette, the bob cut, the boots, ect. Do you really think she would fit in a Western series?

Do you really think her design is timeless or good like Tails, Knuckles, or Sonic's?

>This is the best known case, and it translated into what, Sonic's shoes and finger waggle? Can you cite other cases that had specific impact on things, and would you be able to go back to the thing that it references or was based on without the devs saying it?

So you're just going to ignore the paragraphs I wrote, huh. I can tell you barely consume the Classic media at all.

>Why wouldn't I be? Are you going to shitpost about it?

It's extremely obvious and is the only reason why you're denying Sonic's roots.

>>6376

I know, he ended up getting another game because the fans wanted him back so bad. I was there.

Why do people always try to debate me when I say I don't like modern Amy or what she stands for, do people really think that the current way she's portrayed and designed is fulfilling the highest potential the character it can have? Even Knuckles had his Chaotix and Tails had his spin offs during the Genesis days, Amy had nothing.

What I want is a character that is as iconic and recognizable as Tails, Knuckles, Sonic, and surpasses Sally, Bunnie, Blaze in usefulness and badassery. She deserves to be more than a fangirl because she's an original addition to the cast and should be treated as such.

Yeah yeah "muh taking it too seriously", I'm having fun debating my opinions with you all

>>6372

Yeah, I don't know what saying "you're an x fan" is trying to accomplish here. That doesn't really make anyone's points stronger when it comes to these kinds of discussions & it comes off as kinda shitposty.

>>6377

>you often get the sense that people do find Amy quite lame and doesn't fit with the classic cast like she's supposed to

I honestly don't, especially when considering how often people kept talking about wanting Amy in Sonic Mania between the games original release to Mania Plus' release.

>>6381

And, to be perfectly honest about it here, I myself don't really see the same 90s aestict Sonic and co had in the Modern era much at all, ever since Sonic Riders-06. Forces really is the game that made me realize how different Sonic design is today than it was in the 90s, when comparing Classic Sonic to the OCs of Forces.

>>6379

>Why do people always try to debate me when I say I don't like modern Amy or what she stands for,

Well at this point, Modern Amy stands for making Sally obsolete

>do people really think that the current way she's portrayed and designed is fulfilling the highest potential the character it can have?

NONE of the cast is being portrayed to their highest potential

>Even Knuckles had his Chaotix and Tails had his spin offs during the Genesis days, Amy had nothing.

What does getting a spin-off game of dubious quality have to do with the potential of the character? Tails and Knuckles are popular because of how they were portrayed in SONIC's game. All ST had to do was make Amy playable in Sonic CD and make her play well, she would've been just as popular as them.

>What I want is a character that is as iconic and recognizable as Tails, Knuckles, Sonic, and surpasses Sally, Bunnie, Blaze in usefulness and badassery. She deserves to be more than a fangirl because she's an original addition to the cast and should be treated as such.

MAKE HER PLAYABLE IN A GOOD SONIC GAME. The problem is, we're at the point where Sonic Team has fully stopped giving a shit and the fuckin Amy dolls are a clear indication of what the Mania Team thinks of her so who the fuck knows at this point. But what I do know is, the fact that she has affection for Sonic is not the problem. What the fuck is up with this fanbase trying to make Amy give up on Sonic? Wish-fulfillment?

>>6380

Well this has been my take after being in this fanbase for nearly two decades.

>>6381

I think her hair being spiky would have offset it.

The shoes would be better as tennis shoes too.

And red and pink go weird together.

>>6382

No, it's not the same aesthetic, but it was the domineering aesthetic, and the aesthetic people are most familiar with and are drawn to the most, mind I'm not taking about the midget shit cutesy Heese designs but actual Classic Sonic which was a little edgy and really really Western with Japanese sensibilities. I hate how homogeneous and plain the designs are now.

I think for some series it works but Sonic works better with the way it was, they could have at least kept its core principle while updating it for contemporary audiences like Mario did.

>>6383

>1

I'm not big on Sally but wouldn't mind her inclusion or any other Western characters in the games or the other canons like a spin-off or a comic. Though I digress.

>2

At least they had something for to show for it.

>3

I guess ST just doesn't care about female characters and prefers making them stereotypes (amy, rouge) or barely relevant (blaze), or sweet little girls (cream, classic and adventure amy to an extent, marine is not sweet but a little girl).

>4

You sure Mania Team doesn't give a shit? I recall one of the members of the Mania Team liking Amy. Also I have an inkling Iizuka didn't want Amy to go super or you know, give her a major role because she's meant to be the useless half-assed love interest in those fucks' eyes. :^)

>last part of 4

The flanderization has soured us so much its better to let it go, but hey, thats DIFFERENT from wanting her gone completely or erasing all her good qualities.

>>6384

Oh yeah and I agree Amy needs to be PLAYABLE in a good sonic game and needs to have her own story not revolving around fucking SONIC for once, like it sort of was in Adventure but not really, and definitely was in Heroes or Battle or her few appearance in Rush, which is a problem, and which is why people want the crush dropped completely because its associated with such cankering characterization and stagnation.

>>6384

>And red and pink go weird together.

I'm sorry, but since Blossom is like the most popular Powerpuff Girl out of them all even though Buttercup is better by everyone that knew PPG when it was relevant, I'm going to have do disagree. Imo, I know how you are, recognizing the posting style of halfchan's sthg, but you boner for Britain's take on Sonic CD Amy is rather absessive. I myself think Amy should be handed better in the games, but saying Brit Amy is perfect yet many disagree, says something. The only thing people like Amy's love for Sonic is how cute it is. But most even hate it when it goes too far like in Heroes, X and Battle.

>>6387

Basically, see >>6386. Going back to Starfire, the version of her that gets the most love out of the fanbase is the 2003s one, because, they didn't over do it with the stereotyping and sexist with the characters. Even Wonder Woman got that shit when she was used earlier on. Shit writers cause problems, and that's mostly the problem, shit writers with shit directors.

4/sthg/ is getting raided by autistic Bowsette posters. Should we save them?

>>6387