/fast/ - Sonic the Hedgehog

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>>18565

Thanks, anon. Hopefully the next year can bring us some announcements for the next game, or a rip for the Sonic movie that I can play in the cytube

>>18555

What references did you spot? I feel dumb.

>>18571

I always loved that xmas sonic. The Santa hat and coat looks perfect on him

>>18572

Agreed. It really compliments Sonic look & imo, the world needs more Christmas Sonic art

>>18574

Uhh, anon? Are you okay?

>>18574

None. I rarely if ever drink, even for special occasions

>>18574

I'm a big loser and don't drink alcohol. Either way, it was a nice night.

>>18578

Whoops, the images were posted in the opposite order. Oh, well.

No one's going through any Hard Times

this Christmas, I hope,

>>18580

Post your christmas jams.

>>18583

Yeah, I don't really know why did the images get posted like that. Hope it doesn't ruin the small story for everyone, heh.

>>18585

Sonic's winter levels all have amazing music, but I fee like this one is kinda underrated

>>18586

Indeed. This game's music is so good.

>>18588

This one has always been odd to me because I hear it and recognize it, yet the song itself never comes to my mind when I think of SA's Icecap.

>>18585

The memories of when I got my first Sonic game for Christmas, 17 years ago.

>>18591

Time flies…

>>18591

Fuck yeah. Funny enough, Sonic Advance always reminded me of the old Sonic Flash game that I used to play all the time on Newgrounds back in the day. Still pretty fun, tbh

>>18585

I know it's just a take on a classic Christmas song but it's nice being able to hear it in Station Square.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KraAoRUQo9k

>>18595

Niiice. I am so glad that old Adventure DLC isn't lost anymore too

>>18585

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7-ixllcgo

>it's been 21 years since I first played this game on the Genesis

Where did the time go?

Oh, and Merry Christmas /fast/!

>>18599

>we could have had an Outrun / Hang On style Sonic racing game

I wonder if anyone has hacked one of those games and replaced the sprites with Sonic before

>>18599

>make it for the PSP

Now that I think about it, has the Sonic series done anymore PSP games beyond the Rivals titles?

>>18598

Merry Christmas, anon!

>>18599

>Unfortunately, this is probably all there is to discover on this short-lived project

I am completely certain there are people hunting for this demo as we speak.

>although the scheduling may have also contributed to that

3 months of production sounds insane.

>>18605

this part stands out to me as strange

>the part that sticks out to me the most is

>ComicBook.com spoke with Yukio Kusumoto, Sega's Director of Animation, earlier this year, and while the majority of that conversation – largely about Sonic Mania Adventures and the like – has previously been published, an unpublished-until-now answer tackles whether the time is right for another animated Sonic the Hedgehog show.

That last line. Why did they not publish this part until now? Did Sega not allow them to because of Chao in Space or something? Or maybe did comicbook.com push this out today for some easy hits on their website? A title like that is sure to bring people in.

>>18608

I'd prefer 2D. So far all these animations were also 2D, so I imagine that has somewhat higher chances, but a whole TV show is a different beast so I imagine they would have all the options in mind. I hope if they do go ahead with this and they create something that's actually good, they learn from the Boom TV show and don't fuck it up this time.

Hope y’all are having a nice holiday

I know this support to be comfy thread, but this video is alright. I disagree with like the twitter being the cause the poor writing in the game (i blame the writer themselves) and personal you still have more light-base and comedic sonic and still be good. But at least, this is a really good look on a worse-case sonario scenario.

>>18616

*of the poor writing

* in the game

*i blame the writers themselves

*you can have a more light-base and comedic sonic and still be good.

also fuk you 8kun, let me delete my post

>>18616

While I do agree with some of the points the vid mentioned, yeah, the Sonic twitter isn't really at fault for the current state of the series' writing. Especially when we've had a lot of the same writing team since 2010, before the twitter really became what it is now.

That being said, I've noticed that SEGA has been doing more & more Adventure-era pandering lately, which makes me wonder if they're gonna start leaning into that time period for the Modern games, since Mania already appeals to the Genesis-era fans.

>>18616

Honestly if I learned anything lately it's not to trust the English localization when it comes to anything plot related.

Some games are probably more accurate to the original script than others, but I swear the number of complaints from fans would be lower if they stopped changing shit for no reason. Complaints about change in tone because JP lore in the manuals for the Classic games was removed and tons of Western only content, Creating new plot holes in Adventure that weren't in the original script, adding memes to games from the last decade, and even Forces doesn't escape this. So no, I don't blame the Twitter at all even if it might have influenced how people view Sonic. But they already saw his series as a joke, so I don't care what they think anymore. It's funny seeing reviews from before 2005 praising Sonic, and yet magically these same games get worse ratings post 2006. The fans encouraged some of the anti Sonic attitude too, half of the time they were harsher than the actual reviewers. So instead of a bunch of varying quality games with Sonic and Friends we get a few titles per decade with big gaps.

I don't mind them making new content for the west, but it's frustrating seeing a series you think English would be the main source for end up being yet another case of screwed by localization and the expectations set by fans of the localization. The Japanese fan art and blog posts are so nice too, it makes me wonder how many Sonic fans are even in Japan.

>>18621

I've never played any of the 8bit games so far, how are they? Are the maps different from their 16bit counterparts?

>I still remember how everyone thought Infinite was going to be the Tails from the bad ending of this game.

ded?

>>18619

>Implying you can't agree with someone

>>18622

Some people speculated that in another dimension, Tails managed to escape but was angry at Sonic for not saving him, turning into infinite.

As stupid as it might sound, it would have been more interesting that the excuse for a backstory we recieved.

>>18625

Not really, just common clothes.

>>18625

Yes, the gift of seeing family members again after a long time. But on a less cheesy note, not really. Got a gift card and some slippers

>>18624

That is a lovely Amy.

Makes me wish we got more alternate outfits for characters like Amy, it'd make sense especially since shopping is said to be one of her habits

>>18632

Oh wait nvm, it's real.

https://twitter.com/Sonic_MovieJP/status/1210334474036232192

>>18634

Is it bad? The only slightly creepyish part is how dilated the pupils are, but it legit just looks like a cute baby of Sonic. Nothing about it makes me terrified like I likely would have been with pre redesigned Sonic.

>>18619

Is that Emerl or a similar robot designed like him?

>>18637

I see. He looks like a helper bot. Who did he primarily serve / help?

>>18638

I don't remember exactly, it was long ago. I think he stuck around with Omega and Rouge? but he wasn't even around that long. So if I'm right it sounds like he might have been with GUN. If there's an actual archiefag around they might be able to explain better.

>>18626

I misread the original post, thought he was going to end up like Tails.

>Tails managed to escape but was angry at Sonic for not saving him, turning into infinite

How did people come up with this theory, lol, that's quite far fetched.

>>18639

Been a while since I read post-reboot, but Fixit was basically a helper bot to another character named Relic, who mostly hung around Knuckles on Angel Island doing archaeology.

>>18640

Apparently, you also hear some Mania music in the trailer!

>>18643

Funny you mention that, I'll be storytiming #24 in just a few minutes in the IDW thread!

>>18641

It was reaching to try to explain the initial "tails is infinite theory".

Thats all it is, since infinite had some features that made him look somewhat like Tails insane theories came about.

Has anyone heard anything about the new Mario & Sonic Olympics game? It released recently but I haven't seen even a single comment about it.

>>18648

No one cared. I think basically is in real hate mode and only care about the next major mainline game to see the direction SEGA is commenting to take, which either means oldfans leave for good or we get some Adventurepandering game or something.

>>18644

Sorry I took so long, but here's the storytime!

>>18650

>>18648

I'll probably get it when it goes on sale at some point. I haven't played one since the Wii.

>>18648

People don't seem to talk a whole lot about the Mario & Sonic titles, outside of some animations at least. The 2020 one probably flew under the radar for a lot of people

>>18632

Yuji Naka comments on he design: https://twitter.com/SonicJPNews/status/1210475790716026882

>"Baby Sonic? Is this the mystery of Sonic's birth? I wanted Hollywood to make Sonic cool, but they show lots of cute sides and it's a pity. The movie could have been the perfect opportunity. I wonder if this kind of advertisement is Japan exclusive."

>>18663

And to think, 2019 is nearly over! Which means we're not too far from the next game announcement.

>>18664

I wonder if there's some sort of chart showing when each game was first announced. I get the feeling they're more prone to announcing games the same year of release considering they release at the end of the year so they still have a full year to advertise it.

Also what are the chances of them pulling off a Sonic Forces move and working only the last year on the game?

>>18665

Honestly? I dunno how the game itself may turn out, but the biggest reason Forces was mostly developed in the final year before its release came down to them spending 3 years making the Hedgehog Engine 2 for the PS4/XBOX One generation of consoles.

Unless they plan on putting the new title on the PS5/XBOXSX & are gonna make a Hedgehog Engine 3, we may not get them pulling a Forces this go-around.

>>18667

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they did it like the Wii era where Wii got it's own titles and PS and Xbox got the more intense titles. They could try a different title using more of the Switch's features and co op in mind. Although considering the team is already smaller than it used to be it's probably not a good idea.

>>18670

Ideally, the Switch getting its own unique titles would actually be pretty cool. But unless I'm mistaken, Sonic games actually sell the best on Nintendo systems nowadays, so they probably don't wanna have that audience miss out on the big mainline games.

Although they could do what they did with Unleashed & have a different team do a version of the game on the Switch

>>18675

I've heard a few people like it but yeah, it gets overlooked a lot. Same with a lot of Game Gear games in that sense

>>18672

Normally Unreal videos feel off to me but Mystic Ruins is probably the exception due to it already fitting that vibe.

>>18678

Was this made with the original movie Sonic design in mind? Because the chin area still looks very odd compared to what he was gonna look like

>>18682

Thanks, I did too.

Never thought someone else had a similar experience in that way on the board.

>>18682

>>18679

I had a similar problem but with the PS1, though I never had any Sonic games for it. I had a friend that used to come over the weekends and we would do an all nighter playing games so that we could finish them over the weekend. I miss him

Did PS3s also need memory cards? That sounds silly.

>>18686

No, ps3 has internal memory iirc

>>18687

Right.

I think the other anon was referring to the PS2 version of Unleashed.

In other news:

A certain Echidna returns to the ring, but he's…not quite himself:

https://cytu.be/r/8chanmania

>>18688

Oops, apparently it will be in January

>>18689

>tfw joined and he was already lying on the ground

Rougher than the rest of them, they said.

>>18692

Nice!

Also TIL abut the Sonic Adventure 2 fan game that released BEFORE the real SA2.

What's the first fan game you can recall playing, /sthg/?

>>18693

Ultimate Sonic if it counts

>>18694

Ultimate Flash Sonic? That's actually the same for me, I remember playing the hell out of that game around the 2000s & it still holds up pretty well.

>>18693

I have never played a Sonic fangame

>>18697

Nice. Do you recall which version of SRB2 did you play?

>>18698

which version of SRB2 you played*

>>18693

>Sonic Adventure 2 fan game that released BEFORE the real SA2

Damn, fans were really dedicated even that long ago. Is there any non-cancerous video that showcases the fangame?

>>18698

>>18699

I don't know what version it was. Castle Eggman was the final level, it had the old layout and the NiGHTS special stages weren't a thing. Also I remember there was an Invader Zim level and character for multiplayer mode.

>>18700

There's only one vid I know of that shows it, but I've never sat down & watched it.

I know it was also talked about on the SFGHQ

Thoughts?

>>18707

That looks very nice and smooth so I got confused and thought it was another level in Project Hero.

>>18710

>hint was that clearly written

I guess I'm just blind then.

>Oh.

You sound disappointed, anon.

>>18711

>You sound disappointed, anon.

Actually. the opposite. I was thinking for the ones that would take that at face value as a yet another "pandering" thing and whatnot. But 4/sthg/ already pointed out there's 7 of these messages. it's not just on one Mania clip. So hopefully it's just them saying thanks for all the support and we'll move forward with the content we released as a guide into the future.

Happy new decade!

I'm looking forward to the future!

>>18712

and also

>it began in 2015

>>18716

>development on Sonic Mania beginning

Wasn't that 2016?

>pic related

Deep. Between that and the first three phrases (a glimmer of a flame, growing with each success, enduring every challenge) I get the feeling it means something good is coming despite everything we've had to endure these years, but I know better than to believe their lies. It could also mean we're going to have to endure some suffering (movie?) before things improve.

>>18717

According to wikipedia, Whitehead started work on what was gonna be Sonic Discovery in 2015 but it didn't become Mania, until Iizuka suggested remixing the old levels & it becoming a full game. And I could be wrong about this, but I think Forces started development around this time.

As for what that phrase means, I remember Webber talking about how "the Sonic series has come a long way from 2015," so I think that was the "suffering" the quote is referencing.

>>18719

>Sonic is going to be 30 soon

Jesus, feels like yesterday I first got into this franchise in 2002, playing Sonic Advance 2.

What's some Sonic content you haven't experienced yet, anon?

>>18716

it could be that the next big game started development in 2015 but probably not unless it was put on hiatus to slap together Forces for 2017 so they had a 3D game to sell and started working on it again afterwards. And the latin quote could refer to dealing with such a long gap in between games or the mediocre 3D games in general after Generations. But I am doubtful since this this franchise has a history of putting out unfinished games

>>18720

Satam, both of the 3DS Sonic Boom games,

>>18721

I mean, I dunno about the next game being in development since 2015 & Forces being a filler title, but it would explain why the game allegedly had a bunch of practical rookies working on it.

>both of the 3DS Boom games

They weren't anything special, but Fire & Ice was apparently fun.

>>18729

Cute

>>18727

I did play the original Unleashed, but I never got around to the Unleashed Project mostly because I never got Generations on Steam

>>18729

Do you think it means anything that Japanese Sonic focuses more on Modern Sonic while lately US Sonic has only been posting Classic Sonic related images?

>>18732

>, I feel like it should not bother me but in the end it makes me feel Modern is not very appreciated at the US branch

I mean, is there any reason they shouldn't? Most the west had a hard time coping with the 2000s era of Sonic media, either going away from the 90s era tones near completely, or due to the quality control of the games since 96. There's a big reason the west prefers the style of Sonic that was made for the west, while Modern since SA1 was clearly meant to make Japan like Sonic more, which failed of course, but created a new generation of fans that are synonymous with the general weeaboo culture we have today.

>>18733

You seem to be talking more about the fans than the company, I was doing the opposite. But regardless I can understand contempt regarding Modern because of so many fuck up, nonetheless he's carried out the franchise on his shoulders more or less successfully for some 2 decades and created a generation or two of fans and it's just not nice to see them ignore him at (almost) every turn.

>>18733

Tbh, I can understand why some weren't/aren't fans of the Modern Sonic era, but I always felt the division that happened & the way SEGA's handled the issues that caused the response to their games from the 2000s to be pretty misguided. A lot of the quality control problems that plagued Sonic around that decade hasn't exactly left & if anything, things like Classic in Forces show that regardless of era, "Sonic Team" isn't really reliable on hitting the mark with Sonic.

>>18734

On the SEGA front, I imagine most of it comes from the fact that there is nothing Modern related (besides IDW, which they promote every once in a while) to really promote. And with how much SEGA botched Forces, they can't exactly ride that like they did Mania.

I imagine this'll change with the next Modern Sonic release, of course.

>>18738

Sweet

>>18737

I wonder, has anyone done a Shadow model for Adventure 1?

>>18742

>what do you think were some of the best pieces of the Sonic series in the 2010s

Mania, I guess. Maybe parts of Archie. TSR Overdrive and Chao in Space.

>what part of the franchise last decade you felt was pretty underrated?

not to be overly negative and shitposty but none of it. If anything I think most of what we got this decade was actually overrated and don't see much value in any of the bad parts like Lost World, abandoned mobile games, Forces, etc.

>>18750

He must have lost all hope for the series once he played Forces, then.

>>18750

In all fairness, nostalgia was a big part of Sonic Mania's appeal. With that being said, I think that game was an example of using nostalgia the right way since the game drew people in with stuff they haven't seen in a long time, but was able to establish itself with new characters, new levels & being an overall fun experience.

Not to mention, the new levels was the best part of Mania, at least imo.

>>18753

I've also been into sonic forces speed battle lately. I hadn't seen much mention of it but I find it enjoyable for what it is.

>>18753

>put Sonic Team on the spot, calling them out for their bullshit

But will anything really change?

>>18753

>it put Sonic Team on the spotlight, calling them out for their bullshit as they were outplayed by fans.

I wonder how Iizuka feels about this, given that he's responsible for Sonic Team and was responsible for greenlighting Mania.

>>18757

Ultimately I don't think they still have the talent.

>>18759

IIRC, Iizuka had some people from ST help out a bit on Mania, but truth be told, he's probably just glad the series had a hit again.

>>18761

Sick. We need more stylistic Sonic art like this, tbh

>>18765

I'm currently working on my Sonic projects for this year's SAGE. If nothing happens between now and then to keep that from happening.

>>18765

Some more OC would be nice, anon.

As for me, I'm hoping to download that Archie pack in the MEGA, if we're really going through with a storytime thread for that comic.

>>18766

Don't meant to be rude but do you have a job? Reason I ask is that I don't know how fangame devs cope with a full day of work and then are still in the mood to keep working a bit more after getting home. I feel like I'm a weakling.

>>18769

I'm sorry to hear that. Hiring processes suck, I don't like my current job all that much anymore but I'll keep it if it means not going through that shit.

>commissions

Sounds like fucking hell.

>advice

It's good advice, though I'm not developing any games really, I just wanted to know how people get the strength to go through their life and also do something so time consuming, because I sure have trouble doing it.

Have you ever stopped by /agdg/?

>>18770

Do you mean the one on 4chan? Because I have lurked there before but I noticed as of late the state of that place seem to have changed over hte years where most of the time it's spent not being mostly new game updates/previews and more, well, shitposting. I'd rather go to the likes of Sonic Retro at this point if I really needed feedback about Sonic fan games or something.

>>18771

>>>/v/16766001

>>18753

>sonic forces speed battle

Aren't all the Sonic mobile games by Hardlight essentially the same? Forces Speed Battle, Dash, that Boom one?

>>18772

Well, I'll consider looking into this one since what I've seen seems a bit more "focused" than the other one I mentioned. Thanks for letting me know about it anon.

>>18766

Will this be your first time submitting a game to SAGE?

>>18767

I hope the other Archie newcomers stick around, I'm gonna feel pretty dumb if I'm the only one posting comments.

>>18776

>Will this be your first time submitting a game to SAGE?

Yeah. But not just a game, at most, 2 or even 3 based on how far I get into the one I planned to do in Unity now that I've gotten the hand of usual C#, after many years of being afraid of using it. The other 2 projects are already in the works and can very likely be finished for a beta release this SAGE. A final version is planned for next year, so I'm not spending more than 2 years of work on it.

>>18777

Well, looking forward to seeing your project on SAGE anon. Best of luck!>>18777

>>18769

What kind of fan game are you making?

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6wRxvgDhWw/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/p/B617kjtDT9A/?hl=en

Oh wow, some storyboards for the Sonic film

>>18784

Yeah, I kinda wasn't expecting that.

But who knows, we might not see it in the final product?

>>18785

Seems it wasn't there in the trailer, but it wouldn't surprise me if they showed them in some other scene.

>>18753

Speed Battle being brushed off as "mobile shit" is something I feel isn't deserved considering its been getting more support from both fans and the devs than both "mainline" Sonic game's we've gotten.

>>18788

Tired rat

>>18790

>if it's not by Sonic Team, it doesn't count

I hate that mentality, but to be fair, I imagine there's so much importance placed on "ST" doing the game is because they're the main game developers for the series so what they do can have an effect on the direction of the franchise.

With that being said, "Sonic Team" games are also very hit or miss so people shouldn't be overlooking some of the fun spinoff titles & side games (mobile or console) just because they don't have the Sonic Team logo on it

https://www.sonicstadium.org/2020/01/mephiles-returns-on-finesse-skateboard/

New Sonic skateboard decals, featuring Mephiles!

>>18792

>Mephiles

NAKAMURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

So I guess that rumor that he was going to be in Forces was true then. What is up with that man and his want for his edge oc to come back?

>>18794

Meant to quote >>18790

>>18795

Well, moreso now because of how akward it is to like Sonic. Most don't care but most that would, are likely shitty teenagers because teenagers are shitty people. It's nearly universal hormones really make them turn malious most of the time…

>>18794

I'm nearing 30 years old so I should be in the right to claim it is a "boomer problem". Because no one under the age of 20 cares because, why should they? Yeah, I get it, I don't like shit like Activations advancements on CTR, or EA in general, etc, but my problem is, if its x, it bad, and that's why I generalize when that's all I see. Nintendo, e.g, is surprisingly the example that I wasn't expecting to make for Sonic's case, but they have been using the practices almost universally right since the 2010s (sans Mario Kart Tour). Smash Bros, Splatoon, Odyessy and even Luigi's Mansion are all cases that SEGA should be learning from. I never did imply this kinda of thing wasn't some dev problem, as I was just focusing purely on the mobile persective, but since I did say "mainline Sonic should learn from this" I guess I should have been more clear with that. I don't want Sonic into a microtransation game for cut content or useless shit to be made ~20+ dollars for easybucks, I want SEGA to make games that LAST longer since they cannot make sequels worth a damn anymore. Instead of waiting 4 years for shit games, gives us 1 game with 3 years of extra content instead. I want this because, if you look at what's successful since 2010, games like Minecraft, Smash, TF2, Splatoon, AHiT, etc have all been one of the best experiences I had in gaming in years, because it's a solid new practice people like instead of the dated "sequels" system.

>>18798

This is some funny stuff. Do you guys just trip over these searching for Sonic on Twitter or what?

>>18793

If Nakamura wanted Mephiles back in Forces, it was probably because he had a lot of ideas for him that he never got the chance to execute.

And Sonic having a small rogue's gallery in the games universe would give a good excuse

I'd rather have Mephiles back than continue with Zavok.

>>18790

I must admit I do prefer console games to mobile games, but I think what Speed Battle does is fine. It's not a console game, but it's not trying to be. It takes into account what Sonic is and makes it easy for mobile users.

I don't mind non Sonic Team making Sonic games at all as some of my favorites in gaming are spinoffs, it's mostly for character reasons and Sonic Team hasn't been great at that lately either.

I feel like Runners was like that too, it's just a shame it got too greedy as I think it could have lasted for years if done right and got the word out there. I played a fan server without microtransactions and had a blast, but as soon as I was forced to grind for the powerups it lost the appeal for me, even if it wasn't real money.

>>18794

I'm not going to lie, Speed Battle has those things. It's very similar to Clash Royale's system. However, it's really not as bad as it seems. You can play the game itself as many times as you want. I've only been playing for a few weeks and already have most of the characters unlocked. The main ones that are harder to get are SR. But if you don't want to be super competitive it is possible to unlock everyone without paying, and not crazy long either. Even the event ones I thought I wouldn't be able to unlock I did. If it's just unlocking it's fine, it's more if you want to max them out that it gets worse. The red coins are kinda useless, I mostly use it for more event missions instead of opening more chests. Wait time is only for chests and missions, and some can be skipped by a quick ad.

>>18807

In all fairness to Iizuka, I have noticed that only Zavok of the D6 has returned in mainline titles.

If anything, the Deadly Six's use is a big sign of how little recurring enemies the Sonic series has. There's the D6, Metal Sonic, Eggman & really no one else. Even Forces had to use Chaos & Shadow to increase the numbers of Eggman's Army alongside Infinite.

>>18808

>I have noticed that only Zavok of the D6 has returned in mainline titles

Thank god for that, but if they have no problem with creating pretty much a new antagonist for each game why not use the opportunity to actually do it but do it well for a change, and create something people would have less of a problem with them reusing? When they keep reusing Zavok which nobody really likes it just seems like a fixation more than a need. Then again it's not like there's been a lot of stuff from Lost World onwards to create new lore.

>>18742

The only things I didn't care for were Mario & Sonic at Sochi 2014 and the Boom games. Everything else was pretty good. Never played Lost World, but it looks fun.

>>18812

I'm wearing a D.A.R.E. T-shirt.

>>18811

As someone that never played Lost World, I will admit to being kinda intrigued by the way that particular game designed levels. I remember when gameplay footage first came out & I (for some reason) got big X-Treme vibes from it.

In regards to games like Forces, if you played it what were things about the game you enjoyed? Only asking because I never played it myself & what I've seen didn't really excite me, but I'm curious to know what positives others may have found from it.

>>18814

I liked how the various gameplay styles controlled and how there were always things going on in the stage so you never felt bored with the level before it ended. Classic Sonic's levels are the weakest in these regards, but they're still all right levels to play through. I also liked the story, which gave everyone but Espio good character moments and had great stakes, story/character progression, and actual reactions to the events of each level in the overall story.

>>18814

>Only asking because I never played it myself & what I've seen didn't really excite me

That's been my case too but I've decided to give it a play in a week or two. Will post results. Isn't it a bit weird for fans to not play new games of the thing they're a fan of even for several years after they came out? I l've always thought this was at least weird.

>>18815

What character progression? Everyone stayed the exact same. Even Sonic, after six months of supposed torture, is his same cocky positive self.

>>18816

At least you get a discount that way. Even $40 felt like too much for Forces.

>>18816

Tbf, sometimes people just never get the consoles of certain games that are exclusive titles (like Lost World), or just never got around to other games (like Forces)

Also, Sonic Adventure themed event is coming: https://www.sonicstadium.org/2020/01/rumour-sonic-adventure-2020-music-event-suggests-new-port-remake-incoming/

>>18819

Holy shit, this looks really exciting. My body is ready for more Adventure-style artwork and sounds! Just yesterday I was reading about the Sonic2020 hashtag that was sponsored by SoJ and wondering if there was actually something behind it after all or not. I'd be happy to get something to look forward to soon!

How much support would a remake actually garner though? We've been playing the adventures for decades, it feels like there are better opportunities to take these days.

Someone back up the audio files TSSZ posted just in case, I'm not at home and I can't until later.

>>18816

> Isn't it a bit weird for fans to not play new games of the thing they're a fan

No? I'm not a corporate sheep. I'm not a child anymore where I get my parents to waste money on shit games. Time is money, and for me, Sonic games since Unleashed barely worse full price to me. Was hoping to at least attempt it on Steam during the holiday sales but I op'd for better games instead with the limited amount of money

I miss the days of easy emulation for old games that I either couldn't get the chance to buy because they're discontinued or whatever, but modern games such as this basically comes at the cost of time waiting for a cheaper option.

>>18821

I would laugh that, even if it got the remaster esque treatment, it still doesn't really sell that well due to it still being nostalgia wanking just because it isn't classic era wanking.

At this point, much like Crash, if they don't make a SA3/Adventure continuation with the knowledge spent on "relearning" it if they do remake the games, then I just don't care. I think longterm, and going back to "the good ol days" doesn't make me happy, it makes me annoyed that Sonic Team is just so inept they keep having to backpadel because they cannot move forward with the series without screwing it all up.

>>18817

First of all, he wasn't actually tortured in the original script. It's not the writers' fault that revision was made. Secondly, there is character progression even if it's unpronounced. The Avatar starts out weak, but becomes stronger with the help of Sonic, leading to him taking out the final boss with both Sonics and going on his own journey; Eggman has more backup plans than ever now that he's actually taken over; and Tails and Classic Sonic form a lasting bond over the course of the game.

>>18825

>The Avatar starts out weak, but becomes stronger with the help of Sonic

No, he/she's fearful in a flashback, then is a competent, courageous hero as soon as the game starts.

>Eggman has more backup plans than ever now that he's actually taken over

Eggman has one backup plan: use the phantom ruby to power his big robot if Infinite fucks up. And that's not even character progression. He had more backup plans in fucking Adventure.

>Tails and Classic Sonic form a lasting bond over the course of the game.

There's barely any of this going on. You never see them get closer, you just kinda see them have a moment at the end.

That isn't subtle or unpronounced character progression. It's bare minimum to count. You see, character progression requires more than just seeing a character in two states over the course of the story. It requires actually seeing the process of them changing over time. That doesn't happen in Forces. Aside from the player avatar, who has some of the most basic progression, no one learns anything over the course of the game. They don't improve, they don't progress, they don't change. Eggman doesn't do anything different than what he usually does, which is relying on his latest macguffin to win the day for him. Tails doesn't stop being the wimpy bitch Pontac and Graff seemingly believe he should be.

>>18826

I'm fickle, I don't like priviting but I like emulation. I usally only use roms when I already own the game or the game is out of circulation to ever think of getting it authentically. If those options aren't available, I'd just bite the bullet and pay as long as it's worth the amount it deserves. Forces is no more than a 10 game, and LW maybe 15.

>>18824

>it still doesn't really sell that well due to it still being nostalgia wanking just because it isn't classic era wanking

The only point of comparison I think we have are the Taxman remakes of the classic games but I don't remember seeing sales figures for those and they were mobile games so it'd probably be a different environment.

So many people that haven't played LW here. I can upload the copy I have like I did with Gens a few months back if there's interest.

>>18829

Well what I mean is, considering how older games like ShTH and Unleashed reached their yearly revenue of 2.5-3M sold copies, yet games since have been lower than that, the point I was making was it would be funny if an adventure remake still doesn't at most, sell as much as those games (which based on how "critically acclaimed" they are should net Sonic 2 levels of copies sold bundled or not), I'd have to make the connect that, it's either the gamestyle, or the fact remaking old things isn't going to actually make the status quo of Sonic better. Which, to me, is what I expect until SEGA can product an entirely original new entry into the Sonic series that's actually good on its own.

>>18832

I would be uploading a cracked version of course, should there be interest. It's some 7.7GB.

>>18833

Well that's a big file. Thank god I just recently got better internet so I could logically download that.

>>18827

>Pontaff making Tails a wimpy bitch in Forces

Shouldn't that be on "Sonic Team"? Translation butchering or not, Tails still cowers before Chaos 0 in that game regardless of region

>>18841

This almost makes me want to watch X again

>hope lotsa Sonic art comes out of it

Same. Supposedly Season 3 never aired there so we might get new Cosmo or Cosmo x Tails art and possibly some Dark Sonic art

>>18845

In all fairness, Eitaro Toyoda (who was one of the writers for Forces' JP script) was part of Sonic Team during the Adventure era, just not as a head writer. He was an event scene editor for SA1, but moved on to field/level design from SA2-Shadow & was a game designer for Secret Rings. And IIRC, some old heads from Sonic Team DID come back to SEGA, but only long after Forces was out.

Anywho, Bumblekast notes:

>Rough & Tumble will return eventually and we will learn what happened to the latter's tail and maybe their basic history at some point, but they are less likely to get something like a miniseries due to not being conceived as more than in-between baddies and being less accepted compared to the others.

>SEGA is less keen about certain types of animals being made into characters, namely insects and larger beasts like elephants; when reminded that they approved Jewel, they simply replied that they did.

Jewel is therefore a special case.

One of the Diamond Cutters was originally an insect, but got rejected.

>Assumed there'd be some pushback on the Variable Wispon and Warp Topaz(which he avoided going into), but was surprised with how cool they were to them in to the point of adding ideas for the former.

>Would like to do something more with the Wisps at some point and acknowledged how odd it is that something as pivotal as the Mother Wisp is reserved for the DS version.

>Doesn't pitch overall story ideas until the previous is in their final approvals, so what comes next isn't necessarily set in stone all the time.

>Apparently went into Maw's powers in the previous episodes.

>>18846

>Rough & Tumble will return eventually and we will learn what happened to the latter's tail and maybe their basic history

This is all I ever wanted

>>18842

It makes me wish there was a seeded version instead of having to rely on Hulu for subs. Netflix got Sonic X too but dub only.

>>18848

There are no active subbed X torrents? I'll see if I can restart seeding the version I downloaded a long time ago, but I'll need to find the torrent I downloaded from.

Here's that Mania 3D you asked for bro

>>18849

Not at the place I usually go, but maybe it's somewhere else.

>>18848

Doesn't X have full episodes with subs on YT?

>>18850

Hot damn, that's cool! Makes me glad the SA2 modding community has taken off the way it has

>>18853

Oh wow, nice!

Also, I suppose I could look to see if there's some alternatives sources on YT, or maybe DM

>>18850

Nice, when will people be able to port over levels from Heros/Shadow the Hedgehog?

So, here's some more Bumblekast notes according to another place recapping it :

>Ian was going off through ending of ShTH where Eggman says (during the final boss fight) that his robots rescued Shadow during his fall on SA2, and he is the one true Shadow.

>Note he recieved from SEGA apparently said Android life-version MIGHT still be on the table(?)

>However this also on the same line of note that said there is no money on Sonic's world, leading to some interesting revision to Chaotix-related things

>Ian working under assumption that Shadow is THE Shadow.

>If Sega were to take things in different direction, he just has to take things accordingly

>There won't be a Shadow centric story anytime soon since he likely wouldn't be able to do what he'd like to under the guidelines.

>Maw's power was essentially another dimension within his gaping jaw–it's a broken ability, but in the hands, er, mouth of someone who's more understated. They might've explored how that works and whether it's possible to escape one day, but there were no plans of the sort at the time.

>The infected citizen managed to get into the shelter because Gemerl hadn't started scanning just yet. In the event he had though, there were a lot of people to scan and he was distracted by Vector and Espio in the brief window before he turned.

>Answering one of my questions, he has no clue what Marine's power is. He assumes it could be water based, but it's simply improbable to tell given the visual quality.

>He would love to explore Blaze's world and her kingdom/empire, noting how she's apparently an imperial princess. This includes whether there are other pirates out there and how dicey the politics can be according to Team Sonic Racing

>>18856

>Android life-version MIGHT still be on the table

That sounds rather boring, honestly. Gives me flashbacks to 4/sthg/ discussing really overthought theories about small details that weren't well executed in the games and were never touched upon again.

>There won't be a Shadow centric story anytime soon since he likely wouldn't be able to do what he'd like to under the guidelines

I wonder what that is. Isn't that a bit self centered though?

>>18857

>Isn't that a bit self centered though?

It is a bit, but I think it depends on the kind of guidelines SEGA has for Shadow & the specifics of 'em.

Stlll the most bangin boss theme

>>18858

Forgot to add: I'm not crazy about the Shadow Android thing, but I imagine SEGA doesn't have any real interest in opening up that can of worms again so I doubt we'll see it.

Also, with there being rumors that the Sonic film is gonna be the start of a trilogy, any chances we get another mainstay character teased at the end of the film?

Movie Sonic looks more like 3&K Sonic then he does 2 and 1 Sonic.

Just though I'd put that out there.

>>18862

Speaking of

Even if these are just repurpose voice clips, I kinda prefer these to Roger ngl

>>18860

I've always hated that tune a big deal. Not only I don't like it but it sounds really out of place for a boss tune, and on the other hand the rest of the boss tunes are great both in terms of how well the fit and how good they are so they made me even more contemptuous towards it.

>>18864

I mean most of the MJ stuff has that issue in a way.

Ever since I saw that video of Jason Sonic dubbing that one scene in the Incredibles, I've been wanting someone to animate that with Sonic actually in it.

My day has been made.

>>18866

The Super Sonics was a nice touch.

Can you take me under your wing please? ;-;

>>18871

Password is always the same anon

/sthg/

>>18873

I figured. Thanks anon. I'll see if I can record something when I get set up.

>>18870

I rather not derail the thread.

>>18872

Thank you, anon.

I see that you guys are talking about Lost World I think? I never gave it a chance despite having a Wii U. I rather not emulate or hack my Wii U though.

>>18875

Well it's on steam for $30 if you're willing to pay for it, but if not, a nice anon just made a mega link with a copy of the game you can download instead.

>>18876

I should attempt to play more PC games, definitely not used to it. It’s sweet of anon to make it accessible to others.

>>18868

It seems like I can't open the game because Steam blocks it by going to the game's store page. Do I need to do something else to get the game to run?

>>18881

Interesting. I never experienced that since I never had Steam installed and I also blocked the game in my firewall. Do a quick test and disconnect your PC from the internet and try launching it like that and see what happens.

>>18879

>I should attempt to play more PC games

When it comes to Sonic games it's basically the same as on a console really, unless you don't have a controller you can plug into your PC and you're forced to play with a keyboard, which would suck.

>It’s sweet of anon to make it accessible to others

Even though I am the fag that uploads things, it should go without saying to always be careful with stuff you download from the internet.

>>18887

Yes I am. But it's good now since I got to play the game now. I made a video of it as promised

Tried to compress it to just post it straight to here, but failed for about an hour trying so fuck it

https://mega.nz/#!IEsWDCrL!fFGflOw5MA49vxlMWnglobxWL36Y-nI4VfC3lQ7FBjI

And I can already say, instant hate for the game from when the game was revealed and demo'd was uncalled for. At least, as of the first level. I remember people complaining it controlled like ass and I'm not sure was it thanks to the god awful WiiU gamepad or not, but it really just feels like it was hated on because it wasn't boost gameplay. TBF, it's not my preferred style to play, there's some issues that people like ShayMay explained that I agree with, but it's far from unplayable, this is no 06 or Heroes as of right now. I think it's going to be one of those experiences where the level design really should have just been like a standard 3D level instead, but I'll play further to be sure about that.

>>18890

Well in SA1 that was using rings. But as of SA2 there was "Sonic Money" bills in Rouge's Security Hall.

It's likely just SEGA being retarded. Most of the people in charge today likely wasn't even a thing when SA1/2 was made.

>>18890

That was on the note SEGA gave him, and you know how well SEGA does at keeping guidelines concerning the franchise.

>>18894

Well you did far more with your time then I did lol. Thanks a bunch anon. I wish I didn't have that bad stuttering though, it didn't show up in game just to clarify.

>>18890

>>18891

>Sonic Adventure

>Sonic Adventure 2

>Sonic 06

Those are in the human world. We're talking about Sonic's world, the setting for most of the games and currently the only setting of the IDW comic.

>>18883

For the most part I play with things on a keyboard but they’re not like console games usually, they’re PC based games. My friend tried to get me to play console games on a computer but they feel kinda weird to do. I know I need to be careful or what I download though, I can’t say I fall for super obvious stuff but I do fall for things sometimes..

>>18896

So by that logic, Shadow is from the human world then? Gerald somehow studied from ancient stuff that was just magically in the human world despite being non human? I don't think SEGA gets how stupid it sounds. SA1 maybe you could argue "Sonic and his friends got transported like in Sonic X!", but SA2 makes that fall apart easily. Not to mention Maria existed before Eggman did, and Eggman is always in "Sonic's World". Sure we don't know Eggman's age, but considering he knew nothing about the Ark shut down incident or Maria personally, I like to believe that he is younger than she would have been if still alive.

>>18899

I think you're confusing the games with Sonic X. In the games, the worlds are easily accessible through a dimensional gate, and have been since ancient times as indicated by the Knuckles Clan. Gerald would easily be able to study material from both worlds, since both worlds would be available for him to go through.

>>18890

Not just Sonic Adventure, but Sonic 2, 3, Forces & several other games featured Casino levels & I am pretty sure other games showed stuff being sold before & after the Adventure era.

Tbh, it's just not something I'm willing to give much thought towards given how flimsy SEGA can be with the current world of the series. Wouldn't surprise me if the "two worlds" business changes in the next decade or so.

>>18900

Poor hedgehog

Oh, and for the anon that shared the game, thanks again, you're a real pal. Glad I didn't waste $30 for that trash, I would have never been so mad if I had to do that crap. Don't know if I'm going to have to consider doing the same thing for Forces since I know how that game was developed.

>>18903

Oops, meant to say "I'm not going to be "that guy"", my bad.

>>18903

Funny you mentioned mods, because I just remembered a few I saw a while back.

>>18905

You kind of were that guy, though.