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File: 005d4a307db5885⋯.jpg (58.57 KB,1080x1078,540:539,38749742_2186885331568101_….jpg)

 No.401462 [Last50 Posts]

Any left or far-left cuteboys here?

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 No.401463

>>401462

Aye, one here. Wish I knew more cuteboy lefties, I just have a couple I talk to.

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 No.401469

>>401462

Centre-left, I suppose. Some people would probably accuse me of being an "SJW", but that's just weird bs.

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 No.401473

Somebody needs to gas you all.

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 No.401476

File: d9e23d3595ba858⋯.jpg (92.77 KB,1080x1080,1:1,1548616088966.jpg)

>>401462

here here

There's a cuteboy near me with almost identical politics as mine which would be really nice bf material. But he's also a massive slut who'd want to post me taking his dick on his OnlyFans page. Not sure if I should try talking to him or not.

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 No.401493

File: 7f08ea94d444358⋯.gif (1.87 MB,159x146,159:146,765675567567.gif)

>>401473

>Brazil

>Telling anyone they need to be gassed

Haha, that's a fucking good joke m8

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 No.401514

>>401476

Unless you want your body parts plastered over the internet (perhaps regardless of what you wnat) it's best to avoid him.

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 No.401516

File: 265d402885326b1⋯.jpeg (31 KB,229x220,229:220,6D025F9C-500A-488F-9F62-D….jpeg)

You ever heard of the Ultra-Left, fren?

Why the frick are you not reading Marx, Engels, Stirner, Lenin, Pannekoek, Bordiga, Debord, or Žižek rn?

In the pursuit of happiness and freedom we must abolish commodity production, wage labour, capital accumulation, and the law of value, in order to unlock our true creative potential and life a life of play and fulfilment, rather than work and misery

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 No.401528

>>401516

Sorry, but without the paradigm shift of a post-scarcity society, this just isn't possible in the real world.

I often find myself aligning with some weird band of leftists when I favour a lot of things to do with everyday society, but my perspective comes from a slightly more pragmatic aspect of making life as it is better for as many people as possible, whether that comes from urban planning, transport, housing policy, health policy and so on.

IDK, I consider myself to be almost borderline radical centrist, even though I'm closer to centre-left. You can't just abolish the capitalist system, but you can do as much as you can to get people to a high level of socio-economic mobility, to a point of self-sustainable development so that you have people who can look after their own and are not just exploited people in an unregulated capitalist structure.

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 No.401532

I'm a more center-left libertarian because most folks nowadays think it's either business or government, but they never think about the people. However, if I were to choose the 2 evils, I would prefer the government since businesses don't represent the people, but a democratic gov't do. The liberty of the people can only rise to the full extent in the absence of business and gov't

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 No.401537

>>401528

I pretty much agree with you. I am very sympathetic to hard-lefties and such who want to smash capitalism, because I think their hearts are in the right place–I think that they are moved to extremes by genuine compassion, but in practice I'm in favor of incremental, pragmatic improvements that can lift people up and reduce human suffering for as many as possible while working within the system.

I make my political choices based on what outcomes I think are most likely, but in my heart I feel an intense longing for a better world that I'd like to share with a cute boy, whether he's a revolutionary or not.

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 No.401560

File: 5bef6ae2c82bdf6⋯.png (572.2 KB,640x641,640:641,1548641595804.png)

i was tempted to make one of these threads to counterbalance the other one, so thanks OP! social ecology communalist femboi here.

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 No.401561

File: 6e11a8c344f8b81⋯.jpg (174.74 KB,1080x846,60:47,peterson.jpg)

Just so we are all clear:

You guys know the difference between liberals, socialists, communists, etc?

Feminism, social justice warriors, and LGBT is NOT leftist. They are bourgeois. They're not even liberal. They're neoliberal.

Socialism is NOT governmemt handouts. Thats welfare capitalism.

Socialism also doesn't believe in gun confiscation. That's neocon paternalism

Real socialists and communists will shoot trannies, feminists, junkies, and nanny-statists.

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 No.401564

I'm unironically nazbol so I'm going to go ahead and post in both of the political threads.

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 No.401569

>>401561

"how do you do fellow leftists"

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 No.401575

>>401561

I don't really care about this toxic tribal "no true scottsman" shit, because it's pure fashion. My politics are not a costume I'm putting on to impress people. I'm just tired of guys who are so emotionally underdeveloped that they see mass human suffering as a joke. It's sad that unconditional compassion has become political, but here we are.

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 No.401596

>>401575

>It's sad that unconditional compassion has become political, but here we are.

This happened around the time "post-truth" became a thing.

People no longer care about facts, politics has become an appeal to emotion, and I have no idea how we ended up like this.

On one hand, aligning yourself by your ideology makes sense, but on the other hand, the problems in the real world cannot be solved by whatever populist line, either about the great revolution, or whatever military uprising.

At the end of the day, the real problems facing our fellow human beings need to be solved with sustainable and pragmatic approaches, based on evidence and results.

Sometimes I feel like the ideal situation would be a society which is run by technocrats, a council of people who are experts in their field, and who are knowledgable in their area of expertise. Decisions are not made to win elections, or for ideological reaons, or to simply build political capital, but rather in the interests of the people, to improve daily life and increase social and economic mobility, allowing people to self-improve with no barriers.

Such a situation will never exist, but we can campaign and drive forward such individual policies on a non-partisan basis, under the understanding that on some issues we may not agree, but on this specific issue, we so agree.

I can't believe that basic human compassion and pragmatism have become so politically toxic.

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 No.401600

>>401596

>This happened around the time "post-truth" became a thing.

Politics has always been about who shouts loudest not who tells the truth. The only difference is that the left is mad now they no longer have exclusive control over such tactics. All news is and always has been controlled aka 'fake'.

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 No.401603

>>401600

>the left is mad now they no longer have exclusive control over such tactics

"The left" is such a bullshit term anyway, since you can basically use it to label anyone with left-of-centre politics (and even people who are less right wing as you are) as it, and get away with this appeal to emotion.

The thing is, populists have always stuck to whoever shouts the loudest. There are both far-right populists and far-left populists, and in both cases, the whole idea is to promise the world, and use lies and half-truths to justify whatever actions you take.

You can be to the left-of-centre, or hell, be a centrist, and still be someone who bases their policies and positions on fact, evidence, pragmatism and basic needs over ideology.

>All news is and always has been controlled aka 'fake'.

This has been the cry of populists who are challenged and confronted by journalists who are woking to keep such politicians accountable. In every democratic backslide, it is the populists who claim that news is "fake" or is controlled by something. This has been noted and seen in Venuzuala with Chavez and Maduro and it's been seen recently in the US with Trump. You do not have to be to the left or to the right to carry out democratic backsliding, you just have to be a populist.

It is the responsibility of journalism to hold both politicians and other journalists to account, to confront them with reality, to question their facts and figures, to make sure that the public gets the answers it deserves. Labelling whatever journalist of being "fake" erodes this, and takes away accountability. Ultimately, this makes politics worse.

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 No.401604

>>401603

>"The left" is such a bullshit term anyway, since you can basically use it to label anyone with left-of-centre politics (and even people who are less right wing as you are) as it, and get away with this appeal to emotion.

(((Journalists))) and (((Academia))) then. Same difference.

>You can be to the left-of-centre, or hell, be a centrist, and still be someone who bases their policies and positions on fact, evidence, pragmatism and basic needs over ideology.

Unlikely.

>This has been the cry of populists who are challenged and confronted by journalists who are woking to keep such politicians accountable. In every democratic backslide, it is the populists who claim that news is "fake" or is controlled by something. This has been noted and seen in Venuzuala with Chavez and Maduro and it's been seen recently in the US with Trump. You do not have to be to the left or to the right to carry out democratic backsliding, you just have to be a populist.

>It is the responsibility of journalism to hold both politicians and other journalists to account, to confront them with reality, to question their facts and figures, to make sure that the public gets the answers it deserves. Labelling whatever journalist of being "fake" erodes this, and takes away accountability. Ultimately, this makes politics worse.

(((Journalists))) reliably target only their political opponents. They show only that part of the 'truth' that benefits their side and obscure the remainder. The rise of the internet has taken away their power and this is merely a reaction to the change in the status quo.

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 No.401608

File: fcca1749cf6d902⋯.jpg (57.11 KB,679x471,679:471,lK6L1Vz.jpg)

>>401604

Can the deluded unironic fascists stop please pretending like they're going to convert anyone here?

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 No.401609

File: 137f91a25f57f89⋯.jpg (162.97 KB,966x1084,483:542,6jbrg4v74k121.jpg)

>>40160

>stop please pretending

oh god how did I fuck up that post, didn't even keep the password either. fug

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 No.401610

File: c137e98fa655bd4⋯.jpg (64.41 KB,489x722,489:722,wokemon.jpg)

>>401609

didn't even reply to that post right

just fuck it all

>>401600

The left never had "exclusive control over such tactics" in the first place. Where were you when Bush was president? Were you even alive yet?

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 No.401611

>>401561

>Feminism, social justice warriors, and LGBT is NOT leftist.

the modern idpol tendencies are by and large regressive and ineffective, but some of the ideas they hold centered around undermining forms of hierarchy are leftist by definition, though they're not reflected in their actions.

>They're not even liberal. They're neoliberal.

weird faulty conflation of "liberal" as an economic policy with its descriptive use as a progressive tendency lol

>Real socialists and communists will shoot trannies, feminists, junkies, and nanny-statists.

bretty counterrevolutionary fantasies m8, also you didn't even attempt to define "socialism" or "communism" so i can't even begin to dissect why you would think this.

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 No.401623

>>401603

>Populist as slur

Nice outing yourself, neolib

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 No.401652

>>401604

To refer to journalists and academia in the same way is to delve into the horrid world of anti-intellectualism and other very toxic aspects.

As someone who has gone through university and has learned to think critically of anything and everything presented to you, academia are the people who are driving thought, arts and the sciences.

>Journalists

The primary goal of a journalist is to bring to the attention of the public, things which are in the public interest. I won't go into what defines "public interest", but overall, other journalists will hold each other to account, that what does fit into the "public insterest" is reported on, investigated and made public.

The rise of the internet has changed the way news and journalism works. This has both positive and negative effects, and to debate it all here would probably turn into an essay, and I'm not really prepared to do that (I have not studied journalism in great detail at an academic level, plus essays are long reads).

At any rate, the freedom of the press is something which guarantees that journalists are free to report on things which are in the public interest. Sometimes, this gets challenged in court, but that's going into due process, and is another debate in of itself.

>>401623

>Populism

This is actually a term in political science, it's been observed for centuries and it's nothing new. Suggesting that populism is a "slur" more shows that you are afraid of being challenged on your own views, to have them laid out in a critical manner and have them challenged based on the lessons of history and the realities of today.

>neolib

I'm no neoliberal, primarily since I favour active government intervention as necessary, instead of the minimal role neoliberals believe the government should have under the idea that "the economy regulates itself". The reality is that the economy doesn't, and will often put itself into unsustainable states, in which failure is inevitable. The main way to avoid this is through close monitoring and taking action when action becomes necessary.

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 No.401653

File: fa39a6b1d7002a4⋯.jpg (69.18 KB,720x960,3:4,remembering mayor mccheese.jpg)

>>401652

>Suggesting that populism is a "slur" more shows that you are afraid of being challenged on your own views, to have them laid out in a critical manner and have them challenged based on the lessons of history and the realities of today.

No, he was totally right. You did use that as a slur, and here's where you did it:

>The thing is, populists have always stuck to whoever shouts the loudest. There are both far-right populists and far-left populists, and in both cases, the whole idea is to promise the world, and use lies and half-truths to justify whatever actions you take.

The poli-sci degree class of commentators is really insufferable in how they parade their credentials around, as if anyone who doesn't agree to the neolib academia's cultish dogma is some total fucking idiot.

You're not smart. You just play the game well by sucking whoever's dick gets you that degree. Go back to reddit, you damn dirty shitlib. Corbyn's gonna be PM and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

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 No.401655

File: 08e702c4f4d5f0a⋯.jpg (109.94 KB,850x1063,850:1063,__original_drawn_by_ban__s….jpg)

>>401462

idk, i hold lots of borderline fringe lefty views but more and more i find leftists completely disingenuous and sickening to be around. it's seems like most that i meet are just miserable spiteful people with none of the optimism or creativity that was the foundation for most of their ideals.

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 No.401656

>>401653

Populism is a dangerous position, because it preys on the fact that many people who are not as politically engaged cannot accurately discern between what is a reasonable position, and what is a potentially dangerous claim/campaign promise.

Populism often relies on the cult of personality, and this has been true in history. The economic collapse of Venuzuala occured as the Hugo Chavez died, and with Maduro not being the popular character that Chavez was, it was inevitable that Venuzuala would end up with turbulent times, and we're seeing that now.

I do not subscribe to neoliberalism, but rather social-liberalism, which is related to, but separate from social-democracy. Neoliberalism is not pushed in universities, indeed it's quite the opposite, as many student unions actively align with socialist policies and stick to them. As a soclib, I tend to agree with socialists on a case by case basis, with the main goal being to improve daily life, not to improve social mobility as to control and regulate the capitalist system as best as possible, without having to resort to economically destabalising means.

>Corbyn's gonna be PM and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

You're an American, so I don't think you fully understand UK politics and it's weird regional nuances, much in the same way that there are plenty of areas in which I don't understand US politics at state levels.

For Corbyn to even become PM, there would need to be no government, either as a result of a Vote of No Confidence (which occured the other week and failed) or as a result of a General Election, triggered by either a 2/3rds vote in the House of Commons, or under the Fixed Term Parliament Act, which currently sets the next General Election in 2022.

Until then, Theresa May and the Tories will crash the UK with no survivors, since Brexit it nothing but a disaster at this point, with no deal appearing to be the most likely outcome, since the fucking Tories don't even understand that Ireland and Northern Ireland exists, and that there is a fragile peace which exists there. Instead, Brexiteers keep going on about World War II and about the size of the Commonwealth, despite the fact that a number of countries, like Australia and New Zealand, want to abolish the Monarchy over them.

Ed Miliband was a rather respectable candidate, but Corbyn has been an accomplice to Brexit from the start of the whole referendum. A Labour government with Corbyn as PM would be somewhat preferable to the alternative, the fucking Tories, but Labour is not in a great position either. The only thing which makes me be more favourable to Labour is the fact that there are very smart and competent backbenchers with influence, like Hillary Benn, Chukka Umuna, Yvette Cooper and so on.

The only proper future for the UK would be a Government of National Unity composed of a cross-bench cabinet. This, would probably mean the end of the Tories and Labour as we know it, but anything that changes politics here and totally refreshes it would be very welcome in my opinion.

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 No.401658

>>401656

Populism is only really "dangerous" for the careerist establishment class failures fearing the unemployment line. At least in this country. Can't speak for the rest of the world. (As far as Trump is concerned, he's barely if at all done anything worse than Obama did. Less a populist and more a total fucking fraudster.)

>it was inevitable that Venuzuala would end up with turbulent times, and we're seeing that now.

>"i'm not a neolib but here's something only a neolib would say:"

Jesus fucking Christ, are you trolling me here? I don't even like Venezuela but you just totally fucking erased the US interference going on there. Some """""leftist""""" you are.

>>401655

>it's seems like most that i meet are just miserable spiteful people with none of the optimism or creativity that was the foundation for most of their ideals.

Guilty as charged. I can't really see a future where the leftists win, so it all just feels like pointless arm-flailing. There's no fucking point other than finding some cute leftist gayboy and cuddling under the blankets til hellworld boils over.

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 No.401659

File: 632d8586f39dd95⋯.jpg (94.65 KB,720x900,4:5,bcdb26dcc6ef1b9f5e5b70e330….jpg)

>>401658

Oof, this post was angrier than I meant it to be. It's nothing personal, anons, don't take it to heart.

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 No.401666

File: 6c8ac2c27d3fb53⋯.png (196.28 KB,1000x569,1000:569,6edf447c752a657135f5df6214….png)

>>401658

>cuddling under the blankets til hellworld boils over.

that sounds really nice anon

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 No.401672

File: 93a09231e227a60⋯.mp4 (2.32 MB,640x360,16:9,41344.mp4_high.mp4)

>>401655

I'd rather deal with them than with right-wingers. Especially if they're the /doomer sort.

Right-wingers may preach about personal freedom, family, and traditions, but then they will turn on you, wanting to "cleanse the homeland."

They think that all power abuse is leftist, and that constant tragedy and conflict is a virtue.

The right love to talk about "the elite", but they espouse elitist worldview, that only certain groups are salvageable. They don't hate the elite; they want to REPLACE them with their own folks.

I know alot if people here will wanna blame Boomers for all radical right-wing thought, but ITS NOT THE BOOMERS.

It's the Xennials (people born 1970 - 1990; later Gen X and early Gen Y

Notice how these folks always play grunge, punk, metal, and goth? Or how they always complain about "feminity" or flamboyancy in pop culture? Or they allude to 80s/90s films for understatements for nihilism?

They obsess over masculinity, using it as a moral compass and assume every and any zoomer or millennial is an idpol liberal, even though most couldn't care less about idpol and just wanna enjoy some memes.

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 No.401736

>>401655

>miserable spiteful people with none of the optimism or creativity that was the foundation for most of their ideals

you should talk to more communalists/fourierans and other utopians then, they're pretty much the opposite of what you're describing.

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 No.401763

>>401652

>As someone who has gone through university and has learned to think critically of anything and everything presented to you, academia are the people who are driving thought, arts and the sciences.

As someone else who went to university you're talking out your ass. Modern universities only allow critical thought within their accepted ideologies and stepping too far out of that gets you de facto blacklisted from any postgraduate/employment opportunities. You aren't hot shit for getting a degree in regurgitating dogma.

>but overall, other journalists will hold each other to account, that what does fit into the "public insterest" is reported on, investigated and made public.

Self regulation never works.

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 No.402181

File: 1893dcb3d780cd5⋯.png (55.04 KB,800x804,200:201,blackrose.png)

i am lonely and want to talk to libsoc cuties

tessehe#4324 pls add me

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 No.402182

File: d2fc2bebfe1b62e⋯.jpg (257.28 KB,1280x720,16:9,tummy.jpg)

Bolshevik here :3

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 No.402188

>>402182

if nothing else, the breadlines have done wonders for your figure

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 No.402189

>>402188

yeah, being a poorboi under capitalism will do that to you :c

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 No.402203

>>402189

well i hope you're the one who drags me out to the firing line qt <3

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 No.402207

File: ef467d2b9cf40af⋯.jpg (53.21 KB,646x621,646:621,yezhovcute.JPG)

>>402203

if ur nice i'll just reeducate you and make you my bf instead :3

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 No.402211

communism <3 uwu

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 No.402212

>>402211

gratis helikopter ritjes voor communisten

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 No.402320

>>402181

btw just to clarify

-no tankies

-no maoists

-no MLs

-no anprims

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 No.402397

File: e2fc27770b13929⋯.png (23.72 KB,531x583,531:583,compass.png)

I'm a third positionist/natsoc, but I've recently decided to start pretending to be left wing since all the other fascists are pretending to be right wing and we need balance! My political cumpiss proves I'm a lefty though. Politics is reducible to money and freedom after all right lol?

>>401561

If you actually read even the first page of the unabomber manifesto you wouldn't be confusing Ted for a leftist.

>>401564

*kisses u*

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 No.402483

File: 4a90f9c8c87d38c⋯.png (232.04 KB,750x856,375:428,compass.png)

You fucking niggers will be sent to the camps.

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 No.402642

/trannypol/ and discord lefty trans and "cuteboys" are usually ugly tbhon

>>401493

>UK

They think there's some moral in the cuckchan or here lmao, kys cuck

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 No.402649

>>402642

>/trannypol/ and discord lefty trans and "cuteboys" are usually ugly tbhon

This. Their discords are full on mental illness gone wild.

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 No.402652

>>402642

>Hiding flag

>Not even realizing you can ping false country flags

Go choke on a tranny's dick like a good soyboy, and then off yourself for good measure :^)

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 No.402684

>>402642

only thing uglier than a non-passing tranny is a catty little tranny that thinks the genetic roll of the die will make up for their lackluster self

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 No.402723

File: 36ac2eeb2668cb1⋯.png (17.21 KB,480x400,6:5,chart.png)

political compass kind of a meme though, i would consider myself closer to just a general socialist

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 No.402758

communism is good but so is anal

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 No.403124

>>403080

>nazi who posts in cuteboys calling people degenerates

does the fact that you're ashamed of your own faggotry cause you to be the way you are or what

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 No.403125

File: dac03f3f7a79a1e⋯.jpg (127.35 KB,963x682,963:682,dac03f3f7a79a1eb4177976906….jpg)

>>401462

yea, i'm a marxist-leninist top with anarchist sympathies

cb has always had a lot of far lefties because for whatever reason queers make the best commies

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 No.403126

>>403125

We used to have a lot of rightwingers too cuz 8ch and shit.

But most importantly where tf are all the lewds god damnit I don't give a fuck about the political shite

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 No.403149

>>403124

You should feel ashamed for ruining this board with your cultural marxism bullshit

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 No.403158

>>403149

i'm not a cultural marxist i'm a regular marxist. lick my dick faggot

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 No.403204

where the qt bookchinites at?

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 No.403237

>>403158

Same shit, homo.

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 No.403317

>>403149

cultural marxism is such a fucking meme

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 No.403319

>>403317

is it really surprising that neo nazis would buy into a conspiracy made by nazis

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 No.403345

>>403317

Have you read Gramsci and his ideas about cultural hegemony?

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 No.403780

>>403319

>nazi

That's the only thing you can say all day

Where are your arguments? :^)

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 No.404673

File: e35cbc50b965098⋯.jpg (228.95 KB,1037x583,1037:583,AlexJonesGayFrogs.jpg)

>>403345

>>403780

Cultural marxism is a fucking meme, the perpetrators of that meme being litteraly nazis or not, that doesn't really count. It's a bit complex to argue how it is a meme because it's not always exactly the same meme, it came from a variety of different right-wing propagandists and it's an argument that shapes ideologies that are pretty different (although it always has something to do with right-wing politics, or conservatives in general if you want - so you can't deny that they "also" have a political agenda, but I'll try to dig a bit deeper into that later). But I'll try :

In the Peterson version of "cultural marxism", there's a constant link to what is supposed to be "postmodernism". First of all "postmodernism" is a pretty complex term that refers to a lot of concepts that sometimes contradict each others, POST-modernity in the more common sense I guess is not a "complete" denial of modern thought, like a "denial of objectivity and reality" (that really is stupid, nobody ever tried to irredeemably deny reality and objectivity as broad concepts), but rather a pretty harsh critique that in a way continues parts of the modern thought but in a more subtle and complex way. And also marxism can't be POST-modern as Marx is a MODERN thinker.

In general, that means that "post-modernism" in general tries to add more caution in the way knowledge is produced, that can imply that as knowledge is produced by a certain category of people and in a certain context, these elements can influence it. And it's super-accurate : that's something that is maybe, in a way, at the root of any epistemology, and also very present in the earliest Sociology from more than a century ago, WAY BEFORE any "neo-marxist" and "cultural postmodern marxist" or whatever was here (…if they really exist, it's a bit like santa claus).

In a moar "white supremacist" version of the "cultural marxism" meme (I assume that Peterson isn't what I would call a white supremacist), it is supposedly a conspiracy against "straight working-class white males" and sometimes there are some jews at the top because why not being antisemitic as well. Some of the stuff I already said here still apply, I could add that Marx was supposedly quite a revolutionnary that was concerned with the working class struggle, so opposing marxism with "the working class" is pretty fun. The social pyramid it supposes is hyper-simplisistic, contains a load of contradictions. Like, it's the "white males" that struggle with being poor, poverty suddenly can't be thought on the same level if it concerns white males, people of color, LGBT, women, or anyone else at the same time. It's commonly a pretty selfish frame.

In general that "cultural marxism" meme appears to me to be quite the "ultimate right-wing propaganda combo" as it tries to sum up anti-communism and hyper-conservative views in one single coherent view of the world (with an ennemy of course, the cultural marxists). It's one of the ways I think, to spot to what point that thing is blatant propaganda, with the recurring lies or big inaccuracies it already contains. In a way it's pretty clever and, unfortunately, efficient. It tries to address to the supposed victims, straight poor whites, that are of course victims, many times, but not from any "cultural marxism" : I feel like they react with this to how the few advantages they have from being who they are, are getting crticized, but in a way the poor ones rarely gain a lot of power from being straight, white or males, so the ones who react that way are fighting more for empty symbols than anything and that still puzzles me. If it works on them it's probably because they already feel hate for the people targeted in the "cultural marxism" myth. Probably because they were precociously told to hate these people ?…

Of course I oversimplify a lot of things here and I can't esaily sum up everything (English is not my native language so it's always a little bit more time-consuming and difficult for me). I took what I said here from a few youtube videos, articles and personal knowledge and I can suggest to check out Cuck Philosophy videos about Peterson and "postmodernity" to have more information about that part for example.

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 No.404675

File: f9ae67d9611189c⋯.jpg (53.9 KB,464x490,232:245,polcompass-14Ao17.jpg)

Also yeah I'm a fooking anarchist

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 No.404773

File: 623db43d5aafcb0⋯.png (57.69 KB,1395x269,1395:269,ClipboardImage.png)

>>401561

>Not posting this quote

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 No.404780

Would a /leftypol/ cuteboi be with a handsome ultra-nationalist rightwinger? I'd rather treat you like the feminine slutboi that you need to be and forego politik…because we will never agree. I suppose it's impossible, no? Forever Alone kek.

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 No.404916

>>404780

Had a relationship with a commie trap. Was fun and all but he was fucking mental, they all crave rightwing dick.

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 No.405105

LOL at the people posting on a fucking femboy gay sex chan talking about "racial purity". You do know that the second fascism will take power you will all be thrown in crematoria?

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 No.405144

File: 7d83359a759500a⋯.jpg (79.89 KB,500x622,250:311,Y16lC1t.jpg)

>>405105

I really don't get it. There's this guy who whores himself out on ye olde 4channel and he is:

-gay

-a white nationalist by his own admission

-an unironic nazi by his own admission

-a user on gab and other such places

-circumcised

-a furry camwhore with a stash of Bad Dragon dildos and a prolapsed bunghole

-a pokephile who fucks/pees on/scats on his plushes

-in the closet cause his parents are religious loons who would beat him up if they knew

His Internet "friends" would put him on the first train to Auschwitz! But he also thinks there would be some exemption like 'oh they won't police stuff in the bedroom under the ethnostate'. What does he think an ethnostate is??? He doesn't get that it's not just some dumb memes, man.

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 No.405149

File: 7c0c7baf830b24f⋯.jpg (65.23 KB,429x409,429:409,SANGO34.jpg)

File: 270fac821b88338⋯.jpg (98.94 KB,698x658,349:329,nuh3.jpg)

>>405144

Why is it , every single fucking time you idiots attempt to argue against someone who has a different set of viewpoint. it'll always come down too , >lol your hypocritical look at how your ideology was founded and how your acting LOL XD XD XD

1. Having an ideology you are generally not inherently forced to follow some forbearing beliefs with those who implemented it's original system , I've spoken with people from Syria and the PRC both really hate gays while believing their counter revolutionary. Yet somehow you can find tons of gay socialists and communists supporting it's policies in Western nations

2. When most communists themselves I've spoken with believe stuff like "Real porn is exploitative though 2D isn't" or will threaten to sue me over the internet after sending a 13 year old girl my way with some bizzare trolling attempt or even ask a little girl on chatroom for foot fetish photos. Why do you idiots care ?

3. Ever heard of larping ? Why can't people just have fun anymore ??

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 No.405150

>>405149

Mind you when I say forbearing beliefs , I'm simply meaning who it's state implemented it you can modify systems from it's original format , simply look at Pan Arab ideologies like Ba'ath one is far right being Iraqi implemented after the first which was Syrian which is Socialist.

(also before you argue that neither system is right wing I've known people from both one who had a father in the Iraqi Republican guard and the other who has been working at getting a Job in the Syrian government under economics)

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 No.405152

File: 3fec9cd6530754c⋯.jpg (100.86 KB,512x768,2:3,swa7iwue40e21.jpg)

File: 336a5fe6ffbde66⋯.jpg (47.63 KB,716x707,716:707,43tf1680bsh21.jpg)

>>405149

>>405150

Are you drunk, or just foreign? This is some incoherent bullshit. I'm going to try to respond to what little I understand of your broken English, you illiterate piece of shit. Google Translate would have done a better job than you did.

>1. Having an ideology you are generally not inherently forced to follow some forbearing beliefs with those who implemented it's original system

Any nationalist beliefs are, at their core, completely incompatible with so-called "sexual deviancy" and minding one's own business. Traditionalism is a fundamental feature of it. It doesn't matter what people change or don't change, it is not nationalism without those qualities.

>Why is it , every single fucking time you idiots attempt to argue against someone who has a different set of viewpoint. it'll always come down too , >lol your hypocritical look at how your ideology was founded and how your acting LOL XD XD XD

Because it's kind of hilarious and sad when people don't understand the ideas they're subscribing to.

>3. Ever heard of larping ? Why can't people just have fun anymore ??

Because 50 people are dead in New Zealand because of a """"""LARPer"""""" """"""just having fun""""""

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 No.405154

>>405144

the beginning of the nazi party was very gay (seriously)

granted it didn't end well for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm

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 No.405159

>>405154

I read this on the fediverse, it ignores the fact Germany had to prostitute itself to survive. It's why Mein Kampf is so telling.

Every impoverished nation yields to prostitution: Brazil, Thailand, Philippines, Columbia, Mexico, Africa, Greece, Caribbeans, California, Chicago, France, Poland, Belarus, etc..

The more rich the people are, the less degenerate they are, because they don't have to beg.

It's highly correlated stability in wealth lead to safer happy societies. In Germany at that time, they had lost WWI, they were being stolen all their wealth, utter slaves.

If you read history, even Egyptians and Babylonians practiced that class system that leads to degeneracy.

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 No.405175

>>403149

You're mindlessly using terms created by violent homophobes to brutally persecute you. You are endorsing your own discrimination and discrimination of all of us at best and extermination at worst. Get a hold of yourself you psycho.

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 No.405187

File: 11b7f70bd538204⋯.jpg (96.82 KB,908x1000,227:250,shruga.jpg)

>>405152

>Makes commentary on Racism or Prejudiced from a White Nationalist attacking Islamic non whites

>"You illiterate piece of shit"

Goodness ~ Almost as if you , you want to make a commentary on prejudiced than can't formulate that maybe I'm not a native English speaker..

Maybe you can go speak before a podium about how racist right wing politics are than go attack non whites with right wing beliefs or who are non secular ~ (like you always do)

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 No.405194

File: 688531ee9f64891⋯.jpg (35.8 KB,540x218,270:109,DIO.JPG)

File: 2bde43481b67137⋯.jpg (139.69 KB,707x1131,707:1131,_chavezdidnothingwrong_by_….jpg)

>>405152

Also , you calling Maduro a hero hasn't lost it's irony having my own family suffered under Communism itself , solidarity for our brothers and sisters while your death comes quick for all good or wholesome people <3

https://web.archive.org/web/20181016231036/https://8ch.net/cuteboys/res/394929.html

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 No.405225

>>405159

tf are you on about prostitution? what does that have to do with gays in the early nazi party?

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 No.405482

File: be44b673e986bb2⋯.jpg (1.47 MB,4460x2908,1115:727,1513416760632.jpg)

File: f31111d42836f2a⋯.png (70.22 KB,197x196,197:196,f31111d42836f2aa8db7bf2b34….png)

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 No.405578

>>405154

They were macho tops though. Femine gays were killed. Even in homosexual world, feminiity is considered evil.

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 No.407049

>>405187

>Goodness ~ Almost as if you , you want to make a commentary on prejudiced than can't formulate that maybe I'm not a native English speaker.

Your illiteracy is a legitimate problem. It prevents you from having coherent beliefs. I can tell that even in your native language you're a smooth brain retard. No one with any semblance of rationality would say the dumb shit you say here.

>Maybe you can go speak before a podium about how racist right wing politics are than go attack non whites with right wing beliefs or who are non secular ~ (like you always do)

You make it sound like that's difficult. LOL

>>405194

Show me *exactly* where I called Maduro a hero. Go on.

Imagine being so mentally ill you have to invent things I didn't say. Get yourself committed to a facility before you go shoot up a mosque.

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 No.407050

>>407049

lmao faggot

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 No.407067

>>401462

I'm ancap and don't consider myself particularly left or right wing, but I get along with leftists well enough as long they're either anarchists or don't talk about state policy much. I am a big fan of Camille Paglia and post-modern critics like Baudrillard, and have read some Stirner. So while I am hardly a Marxist, I at least have enjoyable enough conversations with leftists when it's about cultural critique or any mutual enemy. I even find myself gravitating towards leftists because at least they make an attempt to study what they believe and don't regurgitate talk radio bits.

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 No.407073

File: 508049fb4b81d93⋯.png (206.75 KB,681x681,1:1,89760a4af508abc135c3abe50a….png)

There are no /cuteboys/ on /leftypol/. Hang out on their discord for a bit and You'll see exactly what I mean.

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 No.407126

19 anarcho syndicalist here

Panz3r#7651

lets talk about music an shit

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 No.407133

>unironically being a leftist soyboy

>not being a Siegepilled range trap

Cringe and retardpilled

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 No.407181

File: 90d3a2b831f0e17⋯.png (55.06 KB,409x404,409:404,0C831D74-DD43-4FE2-BB8E-69….png)

Taking applications for bf who'll shoot guns and talk about unionizing our workplaces but being too shy and autistic to do so.

Talk to me like one of your anarchist Catalonian comrades while the only hierarchy we is is in the bedroom.

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 No.407277

>>407181

fuck that hot.

>we need a more effective system to tax the rich

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 No.407294

>>407133

>range trap

is this an actual thing? Jesus

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 No.407511

a-area?>>407181

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 No.407717

File: 607a9eb699fb788⋯.webm (2.14 MB,640x360,16:9,607a9eb699fb78856f85b5a92….webm)

>>402397

>>404780

BECOME NATIONAL BOLSHEVIK YOU DUMB RIGHT-WING NIGGERS

STINKY FUCKING RIGHT-WING APES

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 No.407736

>>407717

Not gonna lie, i'd volunteer for this program myself.

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 No.408010

File: b7bb97d1a056cd5⋯.jpg (172.17 KB,697x477,697:477,limonov.jpg)

Left-wing cuteboys tread without that guy

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 No.408026

So how do you guys reconcile being against hierarchy and oppression while being a massive slooty sub?

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 No.408028

>>408026

That's mostly an Anarchist thing.

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 No.408169

>>407511

San Diego

JOIN SRA COMRADE

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 No.408179

Ancom checking in

>>407067

What do you think of arguments against ancap actually being anarchist (and just generally being bad)? Mainly that anarchism is about dismantling unjustified hierarchy—part of which is being anti-state—and that capitalism is significantly hierarchical, and that even if you were to get rid of what’s traditionally considered the “state,” under capitalism, biggest corporation(s) would just assume the same functions of the state and it’d basically just be cyberpunk in the worst possible way?

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 No.408180

>>408026

We’re against unjustified hierarchy. If the hierarchy is consensual and beneficial (relatively easy to prove in a personal relationship) then there’s no issue with it <3

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 No.408530

>>408179

Ancap is voluntary, which is why it's the only practical form of anarchy. If you believe a hierarchy is unjust, you and everyone in it are not compelled to participate, therefore these hierarchies are not a threat. Transactions, currencies, and laws are all voluntary; you follow only your own will, while respecting and never violating the wills of others.

Leaders are necessary from an organizational standpoint (company leaders, project leaders, community leaders), and these emerge naturally because people voluntarily follow them due to the benefits of cooperation. But as I said, following them is entirely voluntary, and you can create your own, just hierarchies if you feel something is amiss.

(Also, before replying with anything like muh telecoms or muh monopolies etc. consider whether or not these have been created by compulsory, non-voluntary governments)

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 No.408694

Far-left cuteboys don't exist

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 No.408777

File: 198f4a432020715⋯.png (912.57 KB,1024x554,512:277,198f4a432020715bd7af303a1b….png)

>>408530

>ancap is voluntary

I certainly chose to be born as a slave on a neo-feudal estate who is forced to fight in skirmishes over private property boundaries, porky-kun.

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 No.408779

I hit a kid so hard while I was drunk that I knocked him unconscious just before his head hit the fucking ground and bounced off that shit with a nice *smack* sound. I hate /leftypol/ and will kick the shit out of them no matter how /cuteboy/ they claim to be. Get murdered /leftypol/. Fucking animals.

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 No.408780

File: ab5d39d5f4e351d⋯.jpg (123.28 KB,640x640,1:1,ab5d39d5f4e351ddfe77b60831….jpg)

>>408779

>I hit a kid

Stopped reading there. You're not human :^)

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 No.408789

>>408779

a someone who has seriously fucking hurt someone in a fight before, if youre at all happy about that fact youre subhuman.

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 No.408799

>>408779

t. nigger

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 No.408804

>>408777

The housing market is practically a government program, so blame the boomers if your problem is with suburban sprawl and cheap, surplus homes. I say move. I moved like 500 miles from home as soon as I finished highschool, it doesn't take a lot of savings to start a new life in a new town. I know guys who just hit the road, lived in a bus and traveled to Skagway Alaska. If you're young and willing to tollerate minimal comforts for a while, you can go anywhere and settle down later. It's nobody's responsibility to hand you an ideal life for nothing. And your gripes aren't exactly an argument against the non agression principle. Like in practical terms what would you do to change things? Tell people they can't live here or open a store there? Seriously, what would you change, besides wishing things looked different?

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 No.408864

File: 2fe9362bd885d3f⋯.jpeg (46.06 KB,750x460,75:46,53F96A72-9D97-4B73-A00F-6….jpeg)

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 No.408886

>>408873

Keep licking those boots and maybe they'll give you two crumbs instead of one.

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 No.408888

>>408886

the hilarious thing is they won't tho

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 No.408889

File: b074ee7682d2e02⋯.jpg (47.57 KB,480x402,80:67,13659074_10153926912774401….jpg)

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I'm as far left as they cum, but i don't hate whites, males, or heterosexuals. I like white people, i wish we'd get our act together. I like males (which is why i'm on this board), and i like heterosexuals (because i like to think of them as a challenge and try to turn them gay with psychological techniques).

/pol/ is more anti-white than /leftypol/ tbh. Through their complacency with corporate interests, their constant smearing of the white left, their shameful bigotry and anti-intellectualism, their repressed fetishes, and their big biz bootlicking, they're more dangerous to white people than we are.

Privatized borders cannot be strong borders. Individualism is anti-white. Dog-eat-dog kills white people en masse. /pol/'s extraordinarily high standards for white individuals only leads to burn-outs. The list goes on, but the fact is that their ur-fascist ideology is nothing but a danger to white people.

I've met /pol/fags who were unironically pro-open-border "because open borders means white people can move freely between europe and america". Yeah, okay.

By the way, i used to be a /pol/fag until around two years ago when i became infatuated with national bolshevism. On a side note, i'm not even that racist - i just don't believe in global racemixing or whatever. Healthy communities usually entails people who look and act similar stay in groups among themselves. "Birds of a feather…" is undeniable. The difference is, i abandoned the idea that "one race is superior to another". I stick with other white people, black people stick together with black people - i don't think that's racist. I just don't want genocide, or race war, or whatever. One of my biggest problems now is acknowledging how badly the culture industry (read adorno), capitalist decadence, and individualist insecurity (ur-fascism) has hurt the white race. I want white people to stop being autistic, impotent, capitalist individualists who lick boss' boots for pay raises. Is that so wrong?

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 No.408898

File: 1fa4cef7d7165f5⋯.webm (582.73 KB,480x480,1:1,i wish.webm)

>>401516

i find it endlessly amusing to see britfags sit around and forsake their direct ancestors by advocating for Marxism and

>endless play

its actually laughable to think im more Europa than you are and im a fucking shitty amerifag.

fundamentally you and other lefties should unironically be executed. You forsake your lineage by engaging in hedonistic degeneracy. You engage in momentary lust for the pleasure it brings in the moment opting for the easy way out using and exploiting your brains own chemicals instead of planning your children's future. Your nation crumbles as your silently bred out of it and you sit idly by weeping about 'muh capitalism'

the Britons of old didn't plunge themselves into battle because capitalism, they did their duty out of love for their people and for the continuation of their lineage. They took swords to the face chest legs and neck so that they could build a society for you. They didn't sit around and allow everything they loved disappear. They knew from the beginning that the only way to free your mind body and spirit was through the fulfillment of their ancestral duties. They didn't sit around weeping about the world as it is. they accepted the way things were and did what they could to push themselves forward in a manner they saw fit– but they never sat around and wanted endless fucking play. because they knew only through hard work and dedication could they become happy, truly happy. Go out and chop down a tree and tell me you don't feel absolutely free doing it, its truly a humbling experience to go out and do something productive on your own terms and get something out of it. (not sarcasm as much as it looks like it)

You wonder why you're so fucking depressed all the time, you chalk it up to temporary things that are only having a nominal affect on you and wonder why no amount of elimination of these factors seems to change your depression. You're so depressed because you don't know where your going in life and you don't know where your going because you haven't made a plan; you haven't made a plan because you don't know where to start; and you don't know where to start because you don't know where to look, you were never taught what it means to plan for the future– to have a goal for your kids and kids beyond their kids. find the best time in the history of your people and strive to bring it about for your children. Craft your life into doing as little evil as you can. exercise everyday. (even if your fat or skinny) do all that you can to stop being a degenerate. Our society has been plagued with degeneracy for years and consciously or not you've adopted these degenerate actions for yourself- you must root them out if you wish to achieve true happiness and prosperity. halt all hedonistic urges where they stand. they make you a slave to your mind constantly needing to fulfill these needs; they will not go away unless you can wait them out. once you've done these things– THEN you can be happy. but you need to have an actual future; and living in hell so your kids can live in heaven is the most noble thing you can do

>you probably wont read this (4 months ago. rip.) or if you do you wont give a shit. nonetheless i enjoyed typing this and hope you can take something from it

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 No.408899

>>407181

well id shoot guns with you. but as the saying goes, bullets for Bolsheviks.

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 No.408908

>>408902

>>408899

>>408898

>killing boys because you disagree with them

What a cuck.

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 No.408912

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 No.408949

File: 61c87d450243eae⋯.png (145.23 KB,1366x768,683:384,Screenshot (1).png)

>>408908

i only made two of those comments. i cant be fucked to crop pic related– and for the record i wouldn't kill a cute nazbol bf

>>402207

seems cool if he actually cares about his people –over others–(especially because hes at least partially German)

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 No.408960

File: 36480d081979d0d⋯.jpg (139.6 KB,720x1086,120:181,scrnshot.jpg)

>>408949

I just want somebody to love me like the qts in your webm.

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 No.408973

>>408960

what state do you live in? i too want a cuddly bf, but alas everyone is is wrong kind of lefty for me (WA state for me; im right wing but economics is pretty finicky- both systems are shit at being good 99% of the time. so a nazbol bf would be nice ;p)

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 No.409019

>>401672

>I'd rather deal with them than with right-wingers. Especially if they're the /doomer sort.

>Right-wingers may preach about personal freedom, family, and traditions, but then they will turn on you, wanting to "cleanse the homeland."

how are these things contradictory? i love my people and don't want them to have to live with degenerates

>They think that all power abuse is leftist, and that constant tragedy and conflict is a virtue.

constant tragedy and conflict are what give white Europeans purpose. We atrophy if we arent at war; that's why historically were always at war and the most successful white men are the ones who are successful during war time. its in every white mans blood; why do you think you have anger issues? every white guy either has anger issues or is a bottom w/o a father

>The right love to talk about "the elite", but they espouse elitist worldview, that only certain groups are salvageable. They don't hate the elite; they want to REPLACE them with their own folks.

because white people have historically been the elite– until we became too compassionate. Were built like elites, so ofc we hate other ones.

>I know alot if people here will wanna blame Boomers for all radical right-wing thought, but ITS NOT THE BOOMERS.

dasritenigga is the generation Zyklon B)

>Notice how these folks always play grunge, punk, metal, and goth? Or how they always complain about "feminity" or flamboyancy in pop culture? Or they allude to 80s/90s films for understatements for nihilism?

so your talking about modern conservatives then? anyone who has ascended the right wing latter past traditional conservatism is a stoic and rejects nihilism as ineffective and unproductive. this is where white supremacy comes in

>They obsess over masculinity

your gay and you don't? what the fuck?

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 No.409036

File: c6141a31a585bab⋯.png (Spoiler Image,249 KB,500x700,5:7,traps.png)

>>408973

>>408973

I live in GA. Im neet and still live with my mom but i cant move out because i cant get a job where i live (because nepotism mostly). Only reason i want to move out is because im closeted and dont want anyone finding out, also because there are no cute boys where i live…

Im bi, tall, really skinny, and have a cute face. I think i'd love dating someone i could have political bantz with, maybe a depressed bf like me. Idk if i'm a bottom or a top since i've never dated before. As for my body, it's nothing special. I'm hairy, kind of toned, and self-conscious about my shoulder-hip ratio, and i don't have a big round ass, because i never go outside to jog or walk. Just a twink body, i guess. Maybe a dress would make it work. I'll post some pics of myself later maybe tomorrow when i wake up.

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 No.409037

File: 3a56790599596a7⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image,393.19 KB,1080x1920,9:16,86f04740-67f4-4a20-b268-76….jpg)

>>409036

>I live in GA.

rip

>Im neet and still live with my mom but i cant move out because i cant get a job where i live (because nepotism mostly).

do what im doing, a trade. temporarily anyway. I took a carpentry class when i was 17 and now im 19 with a revolving door of jobs. i make over 100K (113) a year because 1. carpenters are in desperate need and 2. ive taken a few extra test and courses since graduating hs with my journeymens certs so ive gotten a few raises just for knowing certain equations (Pythagorean theorem) anyway. my plan is to accumulate 600Kish while living with my mom learning things like Austrian economics and furthering my programming knowledge– and eventually getting a slower paced job maybe attending higher education (even though i have no desire to) and one day retire at 40 in the inland of Ireland- thats my rough 30 year plan. ill get money and invest and be a gloried self made neet since i have no aspirations anyway. just want to sit around and be a cunt all day but cant because life gets in the way.

check this out. painting is very easy, my 7th grade English teacher used to earn fuck around money by painting on his days off. you get paid well for relatively easy work (its actually a pain in the ass and tedious as fuck but it isn't rigging or framing– and doesn't require a lot of schooling like electrical or plumbing would. you can use it to accumulate money so you can leave your town and do something you want to do ) this is for WA but GA should have one; reckon you could just change the WA to GA and it would go https://citcwa.org/construction-training/#trades

>Only reason i want to move out is because im closeted and dont want anyone finding out, also because there are no cute boys where i live…

same on all of that except i could give a fuck less who knows im a faggot; my only riff with coming out is having to explain homofascism. but otherwise i dont give a shit about muh coming out– it isnt anyone's business who im fucking (or more aptly who id like to be fucking) if im asked ill say yes if im not i see no reason why its relevant that i like cock. i think normal faggots were raised different from me; i dont need approval im already fucking dead inside nothing will change that.

>Im bi, tall, really skinny, and have a cute face.

im gay not as tall as i should be (6'1" but my uncles are 6'9") and doing my best to get my muscle bear body. not cute, hence the muscle bear thing

>I think i'd love dating someone i could have political bantz with, maybe a depressed bf like me.

this; but ive been much happier since stoicism (yes; laugh)

>Idk if i'm a bottom or a top since i've never dated before.

im a top ofc

>As for my body, it's nothing special. I'm hairy, kind of toned, and self-conscious about my shoulder-hip ratio, and i don't have a big round ass, because i never go outside to jog or walk. Just a twink body, i guess.

i used to be really overweight until Stoicism and fascism (although i still wouldn't call myself a fascist) then i did omad and a lot of exercise. now im working on keeping a bit of fat because i despise aesthetic and also do not have the patience or thirst for it. so im still kinda fat but strong which comes off as a weird mixture. i like it and like the possibilities for the future it holds but im far from where i want to be, have a fair amount of fat to work off. i technically have a ok ass but im not a bottom so it isn't particularly useful to me

>Maybe a dress would make it work

gay

>all of this reads like im living a good life when in reality i wish i had the fucking balls to hang myself.

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 No.409038

>>409037

You live in WA? Fuck!

Wish i could do a trade but i'm p sure i'm actually unironically disabled. I just deal with too much shit. I'd explain if you asked but you don't even wanna know how fucked up i am…

Anyways, we're both depressed. That's something we have in common! I couldn't care less if anyone knew i wanted a dick in my butt, but i'd be so ashamed if my family knew.

I'm super depressed and don't eat alot. I'm underweight (around 150-160 at 6 ft tall).

Anyways being bisexual makes it hard to figure out if i'm a top or bottom. Sometimes i want to stick my dick in a cute boy/girl, sometimes i wonder what a prostate orgasm feels like. It's confusing. I'd love to REDpill you in bed, but we live across the country unfortunately.

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 No.409055

>>409051

Who is that cat girl and what does she have to do with leftism?

She looks like a traditionalist. Who is the man in the background?

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 No.409057

File: 2a1ba9e3fef84d0⋯.jpg (77.8 KB,564x604,141:151,2a1ba9e3fef84d0aa35ef77e84….jpg)

>>409056

>/leftypol/

What? I've never heard of it.

>original board owner

Who was their original board owner? Mind explaining some more? I have literally never heard of this. The board owner wants to be a catboy? Is the board owner a girl?

Who is porky?

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 No.409059

File: abffe611f428bab⋯.jpeg (43.15 KB,474x672,79:112,330d10206873dbd218dc76572….jpeg)

>>409058

>>409058

I'll get "the rope"? UwU daddy tie me up please~!

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 No.409064

File: 6df3924db19d779⋯.jpg (122.2 KB,1000x719,1000:719,6df3924db19d7796b8bbbb4596….jpg)

>>409062

>taping and raping a fictional character

Ah /pol/, schizophrenic as always i guess.

What are you doing on this board anyway? You obviously don't like gays, but you're talking about raping leftist men and making us suck your dick?

Perhaps you're struggling with some sort of, dare i say, identity crisis? Perhaps one regarding your sexual identity?

Shhh. Just accept it. We'll give our boypussies to you willingly. No rape necessary. Let us treat you like no woman ever could. Boys make the best girls.

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 No.409068

>>409067

These are my pics. I was using a vpn when i posted them. That's the guy you'd be strangling.

>>407660

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 No.409077

File: 9b9cb70e2940d77⋯.mp4 (11.38 MB,1280x720,16:9,PATRIOTIC_DICKSUCKER_(SLOP….mp4)

>>409057

>Who's Porky

The /leftypol/ BO obviously :^)

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 No.409082

>>409067

You and your idiot /pol/ friends stick out like a sore thumb. Honestly, you are no better than islamic extremists.

You really must have nothing going for you in life if shitposting this board seems like meaningful thing to do for you.

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 No.409102

File: 8cece78be59a387⋯.jpg (15.64 KB,612x408,3:2,istockphoto-517802922-612x….jpg)

>>409096

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 No.409104

>>409051

I can't wait to murder reactionaries in the dead of night. When our turn comes i'll make no excuses for the terror uwu :3

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 No.409114

File: 10646f314886234⋯.jpg (778.8 KB,1240x1754,620:877,996a5a87555b4cbd06d59e8335….jpg)

>>409069

>>409082

>>409096

>>409102

>>409104

>>409107

Not me, you were talking to another /leftyboi/.

I'm not going to lie, you talking about tying me up, locking me in a room and forcing me to watch anime was kinda hot. My dick twitched. I'd still try to marxpill you at every moment though.

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 No.409147

File: a3eba12d3df0a4a⋯.jpeg (184.33 KB,849x1200,283:400,a3eba12d3df0a4a3038bf3aaa….jpeg)

>>409144

Yes, i could pull off a tomoko look (i already have the dark circles under my eyes and shut-in schizoid behavior). I can't promise i'd stop reading books, but i certainly won't read any neocon literature. While you'd fuck me and release your Nazi fury on my boypussy, i'd probably whisper in your ear about the proletarian masses' plight. Gimme your Nazi cummies! Tell me more, fashy boi!

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 No.409150

>>405152

>Because 50 people are dead in New Zealand because of a """"""LARPer"""""" """"""just having fun""""""

the same people who would have you killed for being gay

now fuck off back to reddit

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 No.409151

File: 9d7c3c2cbd3ebba⋯.png (1.68 MB,1280x1728,20:27,9d7c3c2cbd3ebba84edfc2c6cf….png)

>>409148

I'm 6 ft 1 inch and around 155 lbs (bmi is 20.1).

>>409038

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 No.409154

File: 258112affafbc9d⋯.jpeg (152.96 KB,800x1200,2:3,8da1b62e05d1f6d8aafd30db6….jpeg)

>>409152

Must not be gay enough. I've always liked tall and slender people anyways, so i can't understand wanting someone short.

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 No.409162

File: 6c6a642cb5be930⋯.jpg (31.68 KB,400x400,1:1,akuma.jpg)

>>409154

It's not like I wanted to know you or any non-sense like that. My intuition kicked in and I visualized an ANTIFA trap trying to lure in tired rightists to an ambush spot in the PNW. You'll pay for this /leftypol/. I can see your mind. You would take the ring to Sauron and that is not ok. Besides, I'm probably not your type being 5'8" 165lbs. and not at my 180lbs. jacked up weight. No more Akuma. Only misery.

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 No.409164

File: 70bd66c129f4fb7⋯.gif (2.96 MB,320x427,320:427,70bd66c129f4fb77229ea8920e….gif)

File: d2f2865dee42140⋯.jpeg (42.13 KB,433x353,433:353,d2f2865dee421405d053ec51d….jpeg)

>>409162

>Antifa

Anon, how rude. I'd never join a Social Democrat organization. I wouldn't hurt you, either. You poor thing, you probably need a lot of love.

Anyways, the last person i had a crush on was a 5"6' girl who was an Anarchist. I don't think i'd have any problem falling in love with a 5"8' boy who is a rightist, you weigh more than me and you're shorter but height never mattered to me anyways. I could be your mommy after you spiked all my drinks with estrogen pills. I'd stay with you a while until i had tits from all the estrogen and i'd breastfeed you while reading my favorite books for you. Short boys need tall mommies with dicks.

i started off typing this as a joke but it actually turned into some bizarre fetish material but i'm going to post it anyways. I'm sorry.

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 No.409167

>>409164

Is that you? If so I remember you big boi.

I don't need any love, I just get oddly interested in bizarre things from time to time, no worries.

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 No.409168

File: 660f949380d83e7⋯.jpg (203.48 KB,913x1474,83:134,my ass.jpg)

>>409167

No, pic related is me.

Tell me what you'd do to my tall slender body. I want to know.

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 No.409173

File: d54dba1324b5538⋯.png (2.13 MB,2528x2688,79:84,d54dba1324b5538a334cded955….png)

At this point i'm like 90% sure nazis don't want to kill us and are just sad because they can't hatefuck us.

Come to the dark side, we have twinks and gay rights nazianons!

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 No.409176

>>409173

everyone know shitskin cuteboys don't exists.

who else is gunna stop the jews form letting them take over?

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 No.409177

File: be6d27daa5730ec⋯.webm (1.78 MB,1280x720,16:9,be6d27daa5730ec30f3d84ba6….webm)

>>409176

You can't have a healthy white community under capitalism, anon. Gay white couples should adopt white kids and impregnate white women, together. Why not become National Bolshevik?

>gay rights

>no capitalism

>won't get killed by nazis

>traditionalism

>white people not under siege by imperialist mass immigration etc.

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 No.409178

File: 15389fc6e434da3⋯.mp4 (11.02 MB,1280x720,16:9,MACHINE CODE IS NO MORE.mp4)

>>409168

I don't know anon. I'd like to get drunk with you first at the very least, but anything more than that is basically not something I can do right now. I suppose I haven't isolated myself long enough yet and I still have unnecessary bizarre feelings and attachments. Ah well. You seem like a kind person at first glance, but I am extremely wary of deception and betrayal.

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 No.409179

>>409178

I'm really sorry to hear that. I, myself, am even nervous about flirting or posting myself online. Anyways, i'd love to get drunk with you too.

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 No.409182

File: d7ee030246e69e1⋯.gif (Spoiler Image,1.76 MB,245x245,1:1,1555088425705.gif)

>>409179

>>409038

>You live in WA? Fuck!

>Wish i could do a trade but i'm p sure i'm actually unironically disabled.

thats who trades are for desu

>I just deal with too much shit. I'd explain if you asked but you don't even wanna know how fucked up i am…

tell me about it. ive got terrible anxiety and have been diagnosed as depressed since 12, are you a better victim?

>Anyways, we're both depressed. That's something we have in common! I couldn't care less if anyone knew i wanted a dick in my butt

ew, thats gay

>but i'd be so ashamed if my family knew.

why?

>I'm super depressed and don't eat alot. I'm underweight (around 150-160 at 6 ft tall).

rip. eat moar skinnyboi

>Anyways being bisexual makes it hard to figure out if i'm a top or bottom.

what do you cum to when predominantly when you cum to gays shit?

>Sometimes i want to stick my dick in a cute boy/girl, sometimes i wonder what a prostate orgasm feels like. It's confusing.

>I'd love to REDpill you in bed, but we live across the country unfortunately.

you wouldn't be doing a lot of talking with my cock in your mouth but alright– i study economic theory and only give a shit about my people and myself– so you couldn't make me a commie.

>>409056

i read this earlier on mobile before it got deleted (?) so ill tag this faggot.

1. dont call me a fucking leftist 2. im gayer bigger and more right wing than you; now fuck off before we make it a retard shoah u godamn hebe

>>409068

cuddle material<3

>>409162

>My intuition kicked in and I visualized an ANTIFA trap trying to lure in tired rightists to an ambush spot in the PNW.

> Besides, I'm probably not your type being 5'8" 165lbs. and not at my 180lbs

from one rightist to another; get strong ffs. you homofascist? strength is all we have. you should have the discipline required to get strong if you call yourself a righty. you wount have to have to think about an antifa ambush real or fake if you were stronk

.>>409173

>At this point i'm like 90% sure nazis don't want to kill us and are just sad because they can't hatefuck us.

nah; people who identify as fascist or Nazis 90% of the time are more love than hate. id call myself a fascist. im not a fascist because i hate niggers kikes and hajis- im a fascist because i love my people. im a loving person and just want to love a cute boi– but right guys are independent, i like being a more parental figure to a boy i can love. and lefty boys are that. your all vulnerable little boys who refuse to grow up and i can create that environment.i just like the idea of being a protector.

>Come to the dark side, we have twinks and gay rights nazianons!

who said we deserve rights? in the ideal family oriented world we wouldn't, which i can accept. i can kill a couple brownshits before they haul, me away; its fine

>>409177

>Why not become National Bolshevik?

because traditional values dont and cant exist in a communist government. and i like my things

>>409177

>>409178

>>409179

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcL0J_ndaUc

how are your days going faggots?

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 No.409186

File: 230e1796f66e189⋯.gif (1.95 MB,480x320,3:2,tekken 2 paul.gif)

>>409179

If I somehow find myself in WA, I'll cuddle the fuck out of you mah boi! It would be nice to hold somebody again.

>>409182

Oh really? How big and strong are you then? Do you think you could beat me standing or pin me? If I submit you, then I get to fuck you. I might not be tall, but I am fast, decently strong, and know a few moves too. I'm not specifically gay or anything really as much as I am disconnected from those kinds of labels.

>gay rights

Out of the limelight and being used by every manner of political scum would be a lot better than imagined "extra rights." Homosexuality isn't normal and is better managed on a more downlow (yes I know how that sounds) less degenerate type of thinking. There is nothing wrong with guys needing each other, but doing sick depraved things and then celebrating it is wrong.

Yeah so…height and weight there tough guy?

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 No.409188

File: 937cd9bffd63b51⋯.png (4.24 MB,2786x3900,1393:1950,937cd9bffd63b5146c8b9a2ef1….png)

>>409182

*breathe in*

Okay i'll tell you how fucked up i am. I was diagnosed with moderate general anxiety disorder, severe major depressive disorder, i have a panic attack maybe once a week, i have cluster headaches, i have dependent personality disorder and i'm kinda schizoid so i don't bother meeting people most of the time, i get vertigo from those headaches, i was bullied and neglected when i was younger and i'm anorexic sometimes and just don't eat anything. I also have bad eyesight and everything hurts all the time.

When i fap to gay stuff, i usually cum to the thought of cute femboys rather than muscular gachimuchi men. Still i don't think i could figure out whether i'm top or bottom unless i had a prostate orgasm first. I need to figure out if i'd be a huge buttslut first.

I'd be super ashamed if my family knew because they'd probably think i was never going to have kids which i want to have despite liking guys so much. Also my dad would probably literally kill me if he knew..

I could still marxpill you even if my mouth was on your cock most of the time. I used to browse /pol/ myself so i know everything you guys want in a society.

Thanks for liking my pic! I'll post a few more later.

I became a leftist because i love my people lol. I'd explain it to you but it's a long road.

Of course gay ppl deserve rights, but i never said we deserve more than anyone else. I'd love a family oriented world but the family unit is kinda dead atm. Being a tradwife sounds so appealling.

Communism doesn't take your toothbrush, it takes the toothbrush factory. You'll still get your toothbrush.

My day is going pretty terrible because i'm super tired because i had to stay up all night to reorient my sleep schedule to sleep at 10 o'clock again.

>>409186

GA, not WA. I wish i knew what cuddles felt like.

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 No.409189

File: 984fafb9fcd977e⋯.jpg (195.79 KB,1130x1392,565:696,Self Pics~32.jpg)

File: d9e2a398085e578⋯.jpg (670.89 KB,2048x1350,1024:675,Self Pics~49.jpg)

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>>409182

Some more pics of me..

These were all taken on an old phone with bad quality. I'd take new ones but i'm too lazy.

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 No.409192

>>409188

>>409189

Tall slender GA anon you'd look really sexy in panties, thighhighs, and a skirt. I'd love to cuddle you and rub that cock through your panties and then top you. Seems like you would probably like to get pounded and cummed in tbh. I am on the opposite coast though, so yeah. That tummy, cute cock, and ass need attention though. Are you are virgin by any chance?

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 No.409194

File: 2123387b3ec4c31⋯.jpg (247.75 KB,1350x1287,150:143,Self Pics~79.jpg)

File: 2ad82d21cd43f75⋯.jpg (731.46 KB,2048x1350,1024:675,Self Pics~80.jpg)

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>>409192

Of course i'm a virgin! Boys are supposed to save themselves for the one who'll actually pay attention to them.

Thank you very much! I'm probably going to fall asleep, but when i wake up i might get myself ready for some new pics since you like these. I'd love to let you dress me up! Unfortunately, no girls' clothes over here.

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 No.409196

>>409194

I would love to have you all slutted out for me, get you tipsy, slide your panties down, and hear that *sigh* as I took your boicherry. Cumming inside of a nice little ass feels so fucking good.

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 No.409245

File: 2ddbe95ad3bcc92⋯.png (632.45 KB,880x312,110:39,Hoppe - Crush the antifa-m….png)

File: 93b3bd30ddbf5b6⋯.jpg (46.25 KB,988x473,988:473,Hoppe - quote 1.jpg)

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>>409186

>Oh really? How big and strong are you then?

i dont know what i can lift but i can do 30 pull ups without struggling much

>Do you think you could beat me standing or pin me?

definitely

>If I submit you, then I get to fuck you.

if you can get on top of me; sure

>I might not be tall, but I am fast, decently strong, and know a few moves too.

maybe you'd succeed, but how will you pin me down?

>I'm not specifically gay or anything really as much as I am disconnected from those kinds of labels.

im pretty disconnected from them as well but theyre still there. i hate everything about the lgbt "community" but yknow. i get my revenge for being the token alt right faggot.

>>gay rights

>Out of the limelight and being used by every manner of political scum would be a lot better than imagined "extra rights." Homosexuality isn't normal and is better managed on a more downlow (yes I know how that sounds) less degenerate type of thinking. There is nothing wrong with guys needing each other, but doing sick depraved things and then celebrating it is wrong.

this is my line of thinking. i can just as well fuck men and not need it to be the degeneracy that it is right now. if their is no social stigma then we devolve into degenerates. id rather be a social outcast than have kids around drag queens.

>Yeah so…height and weight there tough guy?

i posted about it before; 6 foot 1 and somwhre around 220-30 by now. 9 months ago i was at 260 but i went to the doctor and they said i dropped 40 pounds. so idk where i am but its somewhere near there. been getting stronk for a while now, could definitely make you my bitch

>>409188

>*breathe in*

>Okay i'll tell you how fucked up i am. I was diagnosed with moderate general anxiety disorder, severe major depressive disorder, i have a panic attack maybe once a week,

same

>i have cluster headaches, i have dependent personality disorder and i'm kinda schizoid so i don't bother meeting people most of the time, i get vertigo from those headaches, i was bullied and neglected when i was younger and i'm anorexic sometimes and just don't eat anything. I also have bad eyesight and everything hurts all the time.

i wear glasses, but thats all i can relate to here. i used to be popular at school before my mind went to civil war with itself(so when i was like 10 maybe 11). better to have not loved than to have loved and lost. its also better to be too skinny, its shitty having to look at everything you eat and go "fuck am i that hungry(to accept the caloric intake)" but you dont reach caloric deficits by being generous so i have to suffer

>When i fap to gay stuff, i usually cum to the thought of cute femboys rather than muscular gachimuchi men.

but whos fucking who in your thoughts?

>Still i don't think i could figure out whether i'm top or bottom unless i had a prostate orgasm first. I need to figure out if i'd be a huge buttslut first.

if you dont know then you probably arent

>I'd be super ashamed if my family knew because they'd probably think i was never going to have kids which i want to have despite liking guys so much. Also my dad would probably literally kill me if he knew..

kill your dad first. and have kids but have them raised by non degenerate whites so the blood passes on but you dont have to live with a women (even though my plans are much different)

>I could still marxpill you even if my mouth was on your cock most of the time. I used to browse /pol/ myself so i know everything you guys want in a society.

not really a polack. matter of fact; most polacks dont consider my political ideology legitimate alt-right ideology despite it being the epitome of alt-right Americanism

>Thanks for liking my pic! I'll post a few more later.

>I became a leftist because i love my people lol. I'd explain it to you but it's a long road.

i can figure it out probably, i just dont think Marx has the keys to the white race castle. hes a kike #1 and #2 its leftism; historically degenerate.

>Of course gay ppl deserve rights, but i never said we deserve more than anyone else. I'd love a family oriented world but the family unit is kinda dead atm. Being a tradwife sounds so appealling.

sorta addressed this. i just hate degeneracy. the family unit IS dead and thats why we need to advocate for it.

>Communism doesn't take your toothbrush, it takes the toothbrush factory. You'll still get your toothbrush.

i wont get my toothbrush when everything i (meaning everything in my nation own chiefly my dollar atrophies. its basic economics fren. read some

>>(karl) menger

>>(ludwig von) mises

>>(murray) rothbard

>>(friedrich) hayek and ofc

>> Hans-Hermann Hoppe

>My day is going pretty terrible because i'm super tired because i had to stay up all night to reorient my sleep schedule to sleep at 10 o'clock again.

i hate having to do that :((

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 No.409255

>>409245

Sorry i didn't post more pics, i accidentally fell asleep trying to stay awake till 10 and when i woke up i was too depressed to take any pics.

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 No.409260

File: 97d9afe249b1d58⋯.jpg (29.03 KB,640x480,4:3,IsThisBait.jpg)

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 No.409261

File: 03ea3ae1aca77c1⋯.jpeg (1.14 MB,4032x3024,4:3,6F7C4AD2-71B2-4D7A-AA04-2….jpeg)

I must be like the only /cuteboy/ in Utah—the only Leftist one even moreso.

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 No.409287

File: f05a9bdb15afcb3⋯.jpg (328.11 KB,999x1170,111:130,lina inverse.jpg)

>>409245

>6'1" 220lbs.

>F.A. Hayek, etc.

Hmmm you seem more interesting than I thought while drunkposting again. I guess I'd have to try real hard to pin you.

>>409261

It would be a shame if I accidentally barged into that changing room. You wouldn't start yelling or anything if I pushed you up against the wall and started touching you right?

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 No.409288

>>409245

academic agent, is that you?

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 No.409294

File: cc026d2eda23db2⋯.jpeg (94.7 KB,374x363,34:33,CFD64229-F6D9-47BA-A011-9….jpeg)

>>409287

L-lewd…

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 No.409305

File: ad5690bf4af5886⋯.jpeg (48.46 KB,880x312,110:39,Hoppe - Quote 3.jpeg)

File: 2803e829c225f05⋯.png (49.86 KB,880x312,110:39,Hoppe.png)

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>>409255

you look good in the stuff you've posted so far <3

>>409260

only partially

>>409261

>only gay leftist cuteboy in utah

>>409287

>Hmmm you seem more interesting than I thought while drunkposting again. I guess I'd have to try real hard to pin you.

thanks anon, and yes you would have (whats interesting about me being an Austrian economist)

>>409288

>academic agent, is that you?

wat? who is this that you speak of and why do you think i am him?(assuming its a him because the name has 'academic' in it)

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 No.409308

File: a9ed96a89bef4d8⋯.png (174.59 KB,640x905,128:181,angry catgirl.png)

>>409294

Shapely sweet boys are so cute when they're embarrassed.

>>409305

Are you more handsome than /cute/?

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 No.409312

File: 7af6b9a3313b903⋯.jpg (72.25 KB,841x473,841:473,samm.jpg)

>>409308

>Are you more handsome than /cute/?

fuckin neither. suppose it depends as im in between. not hyper masculine so not handsome but not cute because im still big just not cute. i want to say i lean toward handsome but ive never really gotten an actual assessment; suppose that means ugly, idk, still working on trying to etch out everything after years of being a lazy faggot

>dont get lazy after playing a sport your body will get its revenge

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 No.409313

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 No.409331

>>409305

Yeah, I haven’t found any cute gay leftist boys in Utah on this board (its map) or elsewhere.

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 No.409363

>>409331

>>409361

Pls don't date ancaps, they're likely to sell you into sex slavery or something.

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 No.409364

File: a1d7b9f5919ae50⋯.jpg (41.81 KB,638x424,319:212,cheeky otter.jpg)

>>409331

>cute, gay, leftist

I am none of the above, but I do happen to live in the state below you. Are you a cute Mormon boy?

I am >>409287 by the way.

>>409363

Non-sense. I am not a Muslim. I just want to play with him because he seems so sweet.

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 No.409395

File: 7a73ba918f749bf⋯.png (369.02 KB,600x603,200:201,010.png)

>>409313

huh. i just love Austrian economics, I find economics interesting in general and I abhor keynes and agree with all sorts of Austrian principles.

>>409331

i don't feel like ive met anyone from Utah ever, genuinely curious if you guys ever leave that state at this point

>>409361

what did it say? why it is gone? :(

>>409363

>Pls don't date ancaps, they're likely to sell you into sex slavery or something.

<im the only one sharing ancap images/vaguely related images/ so i assume you talking about me.

if you actually believe ancaps think sex slavery is ok your fuckin rarted. im not even really an ancap. im a Hoppean ancap at best but Hoppean ancaps are less libertarianism more Hoppe. so if anything it would just mean we could legally murder each other under my ideology.

but i have two ideologies one that would work and one thats best held as a 'in a perfect world' so i dont even call myself a Hoppean ANCAP i just follow Hoppe.

>>409364

Come to WA ill keep you warm with cuddles

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 No.409397

>>409395

my first introduction to politics proper was hayeks road to serfdom, and when i eventually get around to econ ill definitely be reading mises

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 No.409404

File: 6a836e0a53679ac⋯.jpg (33.17 KB,640x640,1:1,sad sleepy cockatoo.jpg)

>>409395

Oh I was just gonna buy some raw acreage and build muh homestead like I wanted to, but I figured a /cuteboy/ or a girl wouldn't want to live with me because it would be far away from even the small rural towns.

>foreveralonehomestead.jpg.

>>409397

Good news. Just don't turn leftist on me or I'll be sad.

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 No.409409

>>409397

i just typed bunch of shit and when trying to put a capital R refreshed and lost it. fuck it. What i said can be summed up in: If your going to read Mises it may do you some good to read Carl Mengers Principles of economics, as most of Austrian economics is built on Mengers work at its core/base. also

read Hans-hermann Hoppes book ""Democracy: The God That Failed"" for the whole bottle of red pills

>>409404

>Oh I was just gonna buy some raw acreage and build muh homestead like I wanted to

ive wanted to do this in Galway or Tipperary since i was 15. google earth the Aran Islands and tell me that wouldn't be fucking amazing to live on

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 No.409416

>>409409

i always thought his name was hopper, only ever heard it said by AA and his guys tbh. atm im working my way back through the main trunk of western philosophy, soon to be done with the works of aquinas. after that tho, ill either be starting with basic economics or with the austrian stuff, not sure on that.

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 No.409418

File: 675a4003627679e⋯.jpg (241.35 KB,1200x1727,1200:1727,God.jpg)

>>409416

>i always thought his name was hopper

apparently it is. its spelled Hoppe but said hopper. i used to think it was 'hope' but with some emphasis on the P? it wasn't until i heard other people say it that i realized im retarded. so its hoppe but hopper.

>atm im working my way back through the main trunk of western philosophy, soon to be done with the works of aquinas.

reading list? im reading meditations by Marcus Aurelius as well as some programming stuff. im in the middle of leviathan but Hobbes has a sort of annoying way of writing which is sad because i write similar to him.

> tho, ill either be starting with basic economics or with the austrian stuff, not sure on that.

go to the horses mouth. i took an economics course, and if you dont give a fuck about equations and all that sort of thing then you should read Adam smiths 'the Wealth of nations' it was written in 1775? sometime just before america came into being. Anyway. that book is a damn treasure chest of economic observations/ concepts. You could get any shitty economics book and read about these same concepts but nothing is quite like this book; so TBP or amazon it when you want standard economic thought

<I do recommend Adam Smith first though. im 100% an Austrian economist but Austrian economics is a school of thought; a way to interpret economics, and you may preemptively pigeonhole yourself into inevitably becoming right wing. Austrian economics is libertarian right, if your a lefty now and accept it you'll switch sides

only for the sake of not feeling like you've been forced either by me or yourself into becoming rightwing. some background economic cant hurt as well

Hoppe founded the property and freedom organization here is their reading list

http://propertyandfreedom.org/recommended-reading/

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 No.409420

File: 355a47e9541ead6⋯.jpg (53.76 KB,850x400,17:8,smith1.jpg)

File: 0549878c20cba21⋯.jpg (84.35 KB,640x720,8:9,smith2.jpg)

File: 8b8ffab0d950e36⋯.jpg (183.02 KB,500x282,250:141,smith3.jpg)

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>>409418

>reads adam smith

>becomes ancap

You must've opened up a page in whatever book you chose to read, read the page, and closed it.

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 No.409421

>>409420

>becomes ancap

when did i say i was an ancap? i dont trust whit people to sustain themselves and i love my people way more than i love any amount of money. im either a monarchist or a fascist depending on how mad i am at minorities. Its just easier to say Hoppean ancap because Hoppean monarchist is a bit dull and doesn't piss people off quite as much it does little faggots like yourself

<he thinks an ancap would be in this thread at all

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 No.409424

>>409421

Eh, all this talk of Hoppe, Mises and Hayek is just making me think you're ancap. Not that i've ever read them, it's just that ancaps shill them all the time.

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 No.409426

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 No.409429

>>409364

Cute Christian boy. Ex-Catholic. Too Anarchist to want anything to do with Mormon Church or Catholic Church or any of those organized religions. Word of warning, I am picky and also a bit clingy sometimes…

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 No.409430

>>409418

>reading list?

dunno, atm fucking descartes, lockes general philosophy, hume, kant, nietzche if i can fucking stomach the cunt. depending on how i feel after this i might instead go read city of god, but right now all my limited reading time is currently occupied by my copy of the highway code, which is somewhat less interesting.

>im in the middle of leviathan

i skipped leviathan and just read aristotle tbh. ive watched lectures on hobbes and always gotten the impression that if i ever met the sniveling little faggot id be inclined to jaw him.

ive actually got a copy of the wealth of nations but its the worlds most retarded copy being approximately 3 dicks thicc because its printed in a5 for some reason only god knows.

ive always been a liberal in the english sense of the word, but right now ive more or less wholesale bought into aristotle down to the metaphysics (in so far as one can buy into a book largely dedicated to cockslapping plato), and i chose to jump from him to aquinas to get a better grasp of the whole unmoved prime mover deal given that i was raised an atheist. still not quite sold on the concept of indestructible substance/essence or how there are exactly ten angels/forms yet, but ill give the man time.

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 No.409433

File: 9512758a9b70ff0⋯.jpg (36.7 KB,468x768,39:64,dont mind if i do.jpg)

>>409431

is this you, anon?

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 No.409434

File: 8e8d8f18d82f00b⋯.jpg (16.48 KB,352x239,352:239,11014667_779141298821478_1….jpg)

>>409430

>dunno, atm fucking descartes, lockes general philosophy, hume, kant, nietzche if i can fucking stomach the cunt.

all people ive been procrastinating

>depending on how i feel after this i might instead go read city of god, but right now all my limited reading time is currently occupied by my copy of the highway code, which is somewhat less interesting.

hmm, useful (in everyday life) books exist? interesting…

>i skipped leviathan and just read Aristotle tbh.

ive been curious to read Aristotle but never knew where to start and never could be fucked to find out, mainly because i like stoicism which BTFO all the old philosophy

>ive watched lectures on Hobbes and always gotten the impression that if i ever met the sniveling little faggot id be inclined to jaw him.

honestly same. hes a cunt. but i more or less agree with him as far as human nature. so hes interesting enough

>ive actually got a copy of the wealth of nations but its the worlds most retarded copy being approximately 3 dicks thicc because its printed in a5 for some reason only god knows.

it was originally printed as 3 books so your actually correct. my copy is retarded long as well.

>ive always been a liberal in the English sense of the word, but right now ive more or less wholesale bought into Aristotle down to the metaphysics (in so far as one can buy into a book largely dedicated to cockslapping plato), and i chose to jump from him to aquinas to get a better grasp of the whole unmoved prime mover deal given that i was raised an atheist. still not quite sold on the concept of indestructible substance/essence or how there are exactly ten angels/forms yet, but ill give the man time.

damn. ill definitely have to give these books/authors a go and stop procrastinating them, thanks

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 No.409460

File: ba0e3c86aa6be76⋯.jpg (77.8 KB,1024x768,4:3,Pondering Cat.jpg)

>>409261

>>409429

>cuteboy

>picky

Gee I've never heard that line before. So, what are you looking for exactly? I am close to your location because I live in AZ, but…I need to know if you just want to be cuddled, have a boyfriend, just want to fuck, or simply want a friend. Maybe we can get in contact?

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 No.409476

>>409434

>hmm, useful (in everyday life) books exist? interesting…

i know right?

>ive been curious to read Aristotle but never knew where to start and never could be fucked to find out

aristotles philosophy all flows from his metaphysics, but if you really want to get into it and appreciate why youre reading the text id read them in the reverse order, beginning with the politics and then the nicomachian ethics, then the metaphysics. ive not read his poetics, or de anima (watched lectures on it tho), or his categories (covered a bit in the metaphysics anyway), or a lot of the other works mind.

>but i more or less agree with him as far as human nature

i suspect hobbes view of human nature, much like those who take lockes view of an atomistic state of nature, are simplistic. my own view on human nature is a hybrid of aristotles and hayeks view of humans as naturally social animals, but with a natural innate understanding of the importance of justice (though the strength of it varies from person to person).

enjoy fam, aristotle genuinely changed my life, and im not playing that up in the slightest. virtue ethics helped me get my shit together as a person after a shitty few years of wasting my life and being generally unhappy.

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 No.409482

>>409460

Yeah let’s chat I suppose. What contact methods work for you?

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 No.409489

File: 4e77792adf24156⋯.jpg (25.51 KB,500x375,4:3,Cat on a lap...top.jpg)

>>409482

I don't use social media outside of hatechan, have a phone, or use discord. Is telegram decent? I do have email of course. I promise I'm not a boomer, but I have some trust issues and am pretty anti-social mostly. If you still want to chat, then what would you suggest? Is telegram any good?

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 No.409494

>>409489

Telegram’s good.

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 No.409496

>>409494

>Install

>Requires a fucking phone number

>Good

Yeah nah, fuck this shit. I'm out.

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 No.409514

File: fc93d0e325ad474⋯.jpg (264.39 KB,1680x1050,8:5,download.jpg)

File: 9fe17abcb5943c2⋯.jpg (33.66 KB,374x375,374:375,download (1).jpg)

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>>409476

>enjoy fam, aristotle genuinely changed my life, and im not playing that up in the slightest.

you too, thank you. ill definitely have to look into expanding my library now. i used to have a reading list of various books. it was designed as a rightwing reading list but that post got deleted and ill have to contact the OPs alts and whatever– the point being that i may paste in a reading list down the road. but for now i have nothing real to offer that AA doesn't cover (thank you for introducing me to him btw) i have other hobbies that are worth talking about because they personally affect my life greatly but i dont know how tech savvy anyone in this thread is so ill leave that for another day.

marcus aurelius chnaged my life in many ways. read some of his stuff. ill link you a bunch of shit for you to check out when your bored or whatever. i got the free iBook version of his book meditations. the book doesn't actually have name because it was really just for his viewing and was meant to be burned after his death. i dont know how much you know about him but he was a fucking legend

>link to his book

https://archive.org/details/thoughtsemperor03auregoog/page/n9

>link to the audiobook:

https://archive.org/details/meditations_0708_librivox

>link to:The essential Marcus Aurelius:

https://archive.org/details/essentialmarcusa00marc

this is just a search of his name:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A"marcus%20aurelius"

>a nigger giving a youtube lecture:(definitely watch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5897dMWJiSM

>you may also find this convenient:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A"aristotle"&page=1

by now you'll have seen the images and thought these things fucking obvious. but at least watch the YouTube lecture and listen to the audio book. hes good at articulating and showing all of us how to be the best person we can be. because we already feel the things he says, we know its true. and yet he articulates it in a really profound way. (i feel like a loser writing in /cutboys/ on 8chan kill me)

>>409496

well this was a rather sad and abrupt end to what could've been a relationship that would've been doomed to fail (but think of all the good times you would've had between now and then. sad )

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 No.409517

>>409514

>https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A"marcus%20aurelius"

>https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A"aristotle"&page=1

<idk why these dont show as valid. highlight and do it that way these are valid, for whatever reason 8chan isn't recognizing them that way

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 No.409520

Why do people think it's necessary to have discords and shit? Just meet up irl using discord, fuck, and never use discord again. Fuck social media, fuck phones, fuck mail and email. It's not worth being in a relationship unless you can talk to your partner face-to-face.

/leftyboi/ reading list:

Paul Cockshott - Towards a New Socialism (CyberSocialism):

http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/

Muammar Qaddafi - The Green Book (Jamahiriya):

https://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/gaddafi/ch01.htm

Daniel De Leon and the Foundations of American Socialism (Guild Socialism):

https://www.marxist.com/daniel-de-leon-and-founding-of-american-socialism-1.htm

Abdullah Ocalan - Democratic Confederalism (Democratic Confederalism):

http://www.freeocalan.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Ocalan-Democratic-Confederalism.pdf

Murray Bookchin - The Politics of Social Ecology: Libertarian Municipalism (Democratic Confederalism):

https://anarchyinaction.org/index.php?title=The_Politics_of_Social_Ecology:_Libertarian_Municipalism

Kim Il-Sung's Various Writings (Juche):

https://www.marxists.org/archive/kim-il-sung/index.htm

Joseph Stalin - the Foundations of Leninism (Marxism-Leninism):

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/introduction.htm

George Douglas Howard Cole - Guild Socialism Re-stated (Guild Socialism):

https://archive.org/details/guildsocialisma00colegoog

Kim Il-Sung - Revolution and Socialist Construction in Korea: The Selected Works of Kim Il-Sung (Juche):

https://archive.org/stream/RevolutionSocialistConstructionKorea/RevolutionSocialistConstructionKorea_djvu.txt

Gamal Abdel Nasser - The Philosophy of the Revolution, Book One (Ba'athism):

https://archive.org/stream/ThePhilosophyOfTheRevolutionBookI/POTR_djvu.txt

Peter Kropotkin - The Conquest of Bread (Anarchism):

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Theodore Adorno - The Culture Industry: Enlightenment As Mass Deception (Frankfurt School):

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm

Ber Dov Borochov - Nationalism And Class Struggle

https://www.marxists.org/archive/borochov/1905/national-class.htm#s1

Karl Marx - Das Kapital Volume 1 (Marxism):

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf

Karl Marx - Das Kapital Volume 2 (Marxism):

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-II.pdf

Karl Marx - Das Kapital Volume 3 (Marxism):

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-III.pdf

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 No.409530

>>409514

> it was designed as a rightwing reading list but that post got deleted and ill have to contact the OPs alts and whatever– the point being that i may paste in a reading list down the road

would be worth. never really thought of myself as right wing and being a bong and all hayeks criticisms of conservatism ring rather true to me, though i think theres a distinction to be made between true conservatives and incidental conservatives.

>but i dont know how tech savvy anyone in this thread is

i got a CertHE in comp sci because i hated it but was too stubborn to quit. classical AI was fun tho even if i didnt have the math background to not fail at backpropagation in the neural nets module.

>i dont know how much you know about him but he was a fucking legend

i know he is basically *the* stoic writer and thats about it. got mediations on my to read list but im still torn on whether ill really wanna read it any time soon.

>i feel like a loser writing in /cutboys/ on 8chan kill me

dont. many a cuteboy has an intellectual bend to him, id rather this talk than a lot of the drivel that fills up this board tbh.

cheers for the links fam, ill definitely be watching the lecture when i get back in tomorrow night.

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 No.409539

File: 87c87d06844c18d⋯.jpg (142.06 KB,1191x670,1191:670,DystopianFaictionArt.jpg)

>>409530

>all hayeks criticisms of conservatism ring rather true to me,

i mean right wing in the non conservative sense. not alt right but more libertarian or lolbertarian. i hate conservatives too.

>though i think theres a distinction to be made between true conservatives and incidental conservatives.

definitely. both are shit though

>i got a CertHE in comp sci because i hated it but was too stubborn to quit.

i hated CS and i never too the course. but i have all the ebooks necessary to pass the class.

>classical AI was fun tho even if i didnt have the math background to not fail at backpropagation in the neural nets module.

AI with python is a bit of fun, but thats all the fucks i can give about AI. once i think of how it can benefit my life ill learn more about it and care but it really is just not as impressive as the boomer want you to believe

>i know he is basically *the* stoic writer and thats about it. got mediations on my to read list but im still torn on whether ill really wanna read it any time soon.

well this sort of addresses your other point later on but honestly if you watch that lecture you'll likely feel more like reading it. he talks about how he structures his life to be happiest and most successful another faggot little cunt bong has a toxic whorey video on yt i wont even try to find it. but he has a bullet point list of shit to do in a day you can find in the comments and it does help quite a bit. dont go looking for stoic videos on yt i linked you one of the only good ones. though stoicism can do a lot of good so if you need convincing on reading up on it you could try looking for good yt videos. theres one by a nigger i think who talks about how to practice stoicism in everyday life. but now that im thinking of it i think its just read by a nigger as its an excerpt from a book. anyway.

>dont. many a cuteboy has an intellectual bend to him, id rather this talk than a lot of the drivel that fills up this board tbh.

same. i fucking hate 99% of faggots for only ever consisting of the same 3 personality traits

>cheers for the links fam, ill definitely be watching the lecture when i get back in tomorrow night.

thank you to you too. i messaged my friend on poal for the reading list but we'll have to see if he gets back to me. i may be able to find it, either way

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 No.409558

>>409539

>i mean right wing in the non conservative sense

thats a fair point, there is a distinction to be made there for sure.

>both are shit though

i mean, theres something to be said for the desire to conserve certain things but it sure as fuck cant be a dogmatic stance.

>same. i fucking hate 99% of faggots for only ever consisting of the same 3 personality traits

theres plenty of reasons to hate faggots, no need to limit yourself to just that one.

gonna shoot out in a few but when i get back ill watch that. cheers again, and ill look forward to that list if you can find it.

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 No.409593

File: 8165adcb4562d9a⋯.jpg (49.51 KB,1682x946,841:473,nu samm.jpg)

>>409558

>i mean, theres something to be said for the desire to conserve certain things but it sure as fuck cant be a dogmatic stance.

what do conservatives conserve? what the fuck do 'progressives' progress? next time one of your family members or friends or acquaintances or whatever the fuck says some stupid leftist shit pointing out how great women are or some other nonsense ask them to justify it. not a single person can tell you why the first nigger superhero is progress. or why women being placed in CFO/CEO positions is good. they just assume its good and fumble and get mad when asked to justify that shit.

>theres plenty of reasons to hate faggots, no need to limit yourself to just that one.

honestly. what frustrates me the most is the hook-up culture. i dont give a shit who you are or whatever, if you fuck somebody without actually being in a relationship you're a degenerate who should be executed. i hate being gay only because 99% of gays are degenerate leftist. it annoys me to absolutely no fucking end. sad tbh.

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 No.409594

File: 7ae79612599cd30⋯.jpg (155.9 KB,960x960,1:1,7ae79612599cd30d195e8c4fc8….jpg)

>>409593

>leftist shit

>black superheros and female ceos

Nigger, we're against that liberal bullshit. It makes no difference to a poor man or a poor woman what gender or race their oppressor is.

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 No.409603

>>409593

i dont disagree fam, but most people are really only megaphones for the people who actually know what theyre talking about there. i dont think thats unique to any political perspective.

for me its the quality of the person. the sheer amount of fucking vermin ive met in gay communities is staggering. in gay communities its perfectly fine to be a piece of shit as long as youre one of them, and you toe their particular lines. take exception with child exploitation, rampant drug abuse, or any of the other myriad vices these places encourage? youre the one with the problem, not them. hook up culture is honestly the least of their problems, most of them ime are unfit for meaningful relationships anyway.

>>409594

>liberal

that word doesnt mean what you think it means

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 No.409605

File: 4727732cb308b35⋯.jpg (142.24 KB,1023x682,3:2,depositphotos_108274448-st….jpg)

>>401462

>>408010

5/10 cuteboys are nazbol gang

face it

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 No.409606

File: bdd33e1075c64c9⋯.jpg (139.34 KB,620x698,310:349,lenin.jpg)

File: bd8e1f33a473b30⋯.mp4 (958.58 KB,480x360,4:3,Liberal Schkolnik vs. Sovi….mp4)

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>>409603

That word means exactly what i think it means. It means "hands off". It means "gobermint stay out of muh moneymaking schemes". It means "gubmint stay out of muh bedroom".

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 No.409607

>>409606

not terribly far off, but socjus shit has nothing to do with it. mill was not much of a liberal.

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 No.409608

File: 65c27a7a08a1fd2⋯.png (3.98 MB,2000x2000,1:1,stfucompass.png)

>>409607

Liberal detected.

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 No.409614

File: 98de7499a57b156⋯.jpg (23.25 KB,480x360,4:3,1466772949956.jpg)

>>409608

of a sort i suppose, tho these days i find myself questioning the fundamental principles of liberalisms opposition to force, and any plurality of right.

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 No.409751

File: 9aa74e0601984b2⋯.png (73.13 KB,796x799,796:799,shit compass.png)

>>409594

>Nigger, we're against that liberal bullshit. It makes no difference to a poor man or a poor woman what gender or race their oppressor is.

clearly i wasn't talking about the more nazbol leaning people on her. but dont fucking act like that isn't a pretty large problem with your side.

> im oppressed :(((((

>>409603

>for me its the quality of the person. the sheer amount of fucking vermin ive met in gay communities is staggering. in gay communities its perfectly fine to be a piece of shit as long as youre one of them, and you toe their particular lines. take exception with child exploitation, rampant drug abuse, or any of the other myriad vices these places encourage? youre the one with the problem, not them. hook up culture is honestly the least of their problems, most of them ime are unfit for meaningful relationships anyway.

yeah ive noticed this too. though i find it a little more irritating the hypocrisy of calling it a "community" when in reality its full of evil fucks and if you say anything that isn't perfectly in line with the modern bullshit your absolutely fucked. i defiantly find 99% of the people insufferable so your right i wouldn't even WANT to date most of them.

>>409607

>not terribly far off, but socjus shit has nothing to do with it. mill was not much of a liberal.

i can steel-man for bigotry using 'liberalism' when i have more time. but think about this: who is the government to tell you who you can and cant hire? shouldn't you be able to discriminate against whoever you want? think about it, if you dont want to cater to mudslimes you should as a business owner say you wont sell to them, because like he said, HaNds OfF gonvermnt. the point here being that "liberal" means nothing at fucking all. you need a word to hyphen in front of it for it to actually mean anything (but if you use 'classical' i will execute you)

>>409614

>tho these days i find myself questioning the fundamental principles of liberalisms opposition to force, and any plurality of right.

im in a simmilar boat but ive been asking myself why so many people make it a general life goal "not to do evil" as you could also make the case for that being hitlers goal. so it seems with so mnay of these ideas they're really fucking thin and can be taken in any way possible.

oh! and i have a link for you my british fren. its not the list i wanted but i found this and i think its much better

https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg

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 No.409778

>>409751

>if you say anything that isn't perfectly in line with the modern bullshit

it neednt even be that. leftie, rightie, doesnt matter. its still the same sort of rodent that makes up these communities in the end. just a different coat of paint on top. character, ime, is more relevant than politics in most peoples day to day life.

>the point here being that "liberal" means nothing at fucking all

ill grant you the term liberal has become corrupted over time for sure, but i adhere to the dogma that there is no liberalism but that which was birthed from the english whig tradition, and that all other so called liberalisms were merely fashion and didnt stand the test of time. liberalism dominated britain for over a century, and outright ruled uninterrupted for half of one after the death of the old conservative party.

as for the right to discriminate? sure, but only in a fully free society. you should be free to discriminate against who you please, and the rest of your countrymen should be free to refuse you any and all service so you starve to death as a result if they so please. that said, i think that must come with some caveats, i would have one be able to at any point appeal to the government for a paid trip to somewhere else in exchange for their citizenship of that nation and all land assets, such that one is never in such a place that the value of their labour that they have given to others cannot be redeemed.

>im in a simmilar boat but ive been asking myself why so many people make it a general life goal "not to do evil"

i would argue that a lot of people dont. a lot of people make it their lifes goal to do good, and in that respect excuse the evil they do on account of some perceived higher good, or because of some good it does to people they deem more important.

philosophically speaking, i have 2 main problems im grappling with now right now. the first is the possibility of a right to do what is not right, which to me seems plainly nonsense. when phrased as such any and all rights as we understand them now seem to be null and void in absolute terms, and only possible through epistemic considerations which i can easily resolve with the application of a bit of hayeks good old spontaneous order and knowledge problem ideas. this in turn however gives every individual the right to kill the vicious should they deem it just, and makes it the obligation of his peers to judge his actions in turn. this might seem like an infinite regress however i suspect there is something to the idea of an ultimate end for man, therefore no such thing can exist in this context.

what follows from this is a doubt of the legitimacy of the prohibition of the use of force. now it seems plain to me that force has historical precedent as the most common and effective means of enforcing right, and that while some men are inclined to subject themselves to reason in absolute terms, others are more whimsical and will happily ignore reason whenever it is convenient for them to do so. thus, any moral system must account for such people, and in my observation the only effective means of dealing with those people is with force. nothing corrects a man as sharply as a fist to the face, it is not something he can simply ignore. some may wilt in the face of such force, but in my observation amongst reasonably well adjusted people it is a cause for reflection if you manage to piss someone off so much you get the shit kicked out of you for it. violent responses are also mechanistically advantageous for the correcting of misbehaviour, as they will be delivered in a much shorter space of time thus leaving a stronger connection to the cause for violence in the misbehaving agents mind. couple this with the great concern with the proportionality of the response ones peers typically take in violent acts, and i think honestly you have something that is superior for the correcting of mundane offences in every day life.

my second concern is the irreducible complexity of moral decision making. morality to me seems to fundamentally be comprised of a number of special concerns, such that very few right actions are capable of correcting the wrong actions in actuality. as a result, all imperfectly moral actions become a tradeoff in terms of the wrong done and the right achieved. this seems to me to be how it is in reality. cognitively however, going by currently practiced agent theory it seems impossible to me that these things not be compressed in some manner down to a single scalar via some internal utility function within the given agent capable of moral understanding and judgement. i have no solution to this problem.

thank you for the link, ill grab it now.

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 No.409795

How fast would the US spin into anarchy/socialism if laws enforcing property rights (like rent, mortgages, property taxes, etc.) were all repealed?

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 No.409815

File: 4c5f067e3609a47⋯.png (342.7 KB,499x615,499:615,4c5f067e3609a4773ed82163fc….png)

>>409795

We'd have to either fix the fifth amendment where it guarantees private/commercial property rights and compensation for private property that is appropriated by the government, or buy all the private/commercial property away.

We'd also probably have to kill some bourgeois lunatics who would get super pissed off because the gubmint took away his 5 million acres of land and gave it to poor people, otherwise there'd be some mass shootings or something.

The nation is entirely justified in reclaiming the privatized land, factories, and farms that private property owners claim no longer belongs to the government.

Private property rights are guaranteed by the barrel of a gun, not by nature. You can't own 90% of the land and get pissy because the government nationalized it. It was never yours to begin with - owning private property is a privilege granted by a strong military that enforces your ownership.

Remember what happened with the united fruit company in nicaragua. They got so pissed off that nicaragua took some land away that they collaborated with the united states government to reestablish their monopoly and instate a coup against the ruling party at the time. This is the threat posed by allowing some greedy assholes to live after nationalizing the private/commercial property they claim to own.

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 No.410034

>>409019

>>409019

>constant tragedy and conflict are what give white Europeans purpose. We atrophy if we arent at war; that's why historically were always at war and the most successful white men are the ones who are successful during war time. its in every white mans blood; why do you think you have anger issues? every white guy either has anger issues or is a bottom w/o a father

This is your brain on /pol

Anyway, whites became successful through trade, commerce, and science not war. If war is what made white men so successful, then you're no better than niggers, 'cause niggers war on each other all day every day and are still in mud huts or crummy apartments. It's time to read actual history books rather than those personal critiques by disgruntled mediocre adult failures from two centuries ago.

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 No.410194

>>409815

Stupid marxist piece of shitcunt from America. You might be able to rally up and chant idiotic slogans around Tucker Carlson's Mansion (You wouldn't do it to George Soros though would you pussyboi?), but in other parts of The World where the "bourgies" own a lot of land it's like asking to be tortured to death. You and every single ANTIFA friend wouldn't pull that kind of shit because you'd literally be snapped up, taken to secret prisons, have your face flayed off (which all leftists deserve), then be kept in a state of consciousness in which you can feel pain and tortured for months or years until your piece of communist shit body gave out. Kill yourself you fucking faggot nigger.

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 No.410223

File: ddcba08a7a55372⋯.jpg (196.48 KB,828x601,828:601,b3f52344169a96bb53abcb55d1….jpg)

>>410194

I don't hate Tucker Carlson - he's unironically more left-wing than everyone else in the USA. His focus on the working class and on extreme wealth inequality is much closer to what Republicanism is about. He is, just like many right-wing dumbasses, too uninformed to realize who actually has his best interests in mind. Still, perhaps he isn't uninformed, but rather only acting as an appendage of the Republican party to funnel working class hatred into support for right-wing policies, but it's impossible for me to know.

George Soros, on the contrary, hates us. He has put a lot of funding into stopping any and all resurgences of Communist thought. He even helped dismantle the Soviet Union all those years ago. I'd have him on trial in a heartbeat if i had any real power.

Anyways, as for you, it sounds like you have some real anger issues. In that other thread, you claimed you wanted to curbstomp and beat gay men because you think they're all Marxists. I don't know what's acceptable in Brazil, although i do know you guys do have a sizable bi/homosexual community, so perhaps your anger applies to pride faggots. I'm sorry mate, faggots can be tough to deal with, but you need to distinguish between regular gays and faggots. Now we have to ask the question of why you're posting on /cuteboys/, of all places - the obvious answer is that you want some boypoon. Learn to accept your sexuality. It'll help you become more at peace with yourself. You're obviously only posting here because you have some gay thoughts that you haven't learned to accept yet.

Also fuck Burronaro lol

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 No.410226

File: 7b5ca10d634d259⋯.png (378.4 KB,829x1475,829:1475,Jewry is the mother of Mar….png)

>>410223

Homosexuals know they are only a small percentage of the population, but they still seem to side with Marxist animals who will put them up against the wall and kill them…right before their masters do the same. You are a Marxist and you should die, but not because you are gay. Gay can stay in the closet and interact with others like them without causing trouble, but Marxist never do the same. One day all of you will enrich the soil with the nutrients from your corpses and new beautiful life will emerge. That is your destiny, filthy Marxist.

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 No.410227

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>>410226

You will never know what made me Marxist, and for that i am victorious over you. As long as my intentions are obscured, as long as you remain ignorant of my logic, and as long as you refuse to believe there is logic behind Marxist thought, i will always have an advantage over you. Nothing could make me happier than your impotent fury.

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 No.410230

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>>410227

>implying

You are the enemy. I don't care how or why you came to your conclusions or of the manner of your sophist logician spiraling. You are the enemy that must be killed and that is better than any meaning if you're going to play it in your style of thinking. I know what you are and whom you serve, but even if I didn't…you would still be somebody that needs to have a pike shoved up your asshole out your Marxist mouth and left to writhe as long as possible. I feel conviction, not fury. Only a Righteous enemy deserves my fury, but you are like a dirty thing that needs immediate annihilation without any tension whatsoever. I curse you and your kin for all eternity.

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 No.410236

>leftists supporting pedophilia

Not surprised

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 No.410238

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>>410236

You're thinking of ancaps.

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 No.410242

>>410238

remember that time the c4ss tard got arrested for cp because he sent his macbook in for repair at the apple store? lmao

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 No.410243

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>>410242

>literally who

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 No.410244

>>410243

https://c4ss.org/content/35256

https://knappster.blogspot.com/2015/01/freedom-of-disassociation-sort-of.html

one of the co-founders, iirc the fuckin tard turned himself in after sending in his macbook with evidence of him molesting a child

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 No.410245

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>>410244

>Anarchist is a kiddy-diddler

May i direct you to the quote by Rothbard >>410238 again?

I don't care about the state. I'm an unironic statist.

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 No.410246

>>410245

>market anarchist is the same as an ancap

o so ur just a retard, cool

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 No.410260

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>>409778

sorry im so late. my life has been quote hectic lately and the dust is only just starting to settle. ive not been able to get a proper response out in the few times is started typing. i tried two days ago and then again yesterday, i ended up scraping them for a better response but im afraid you haven't got it. it is what it is im not getting graded for this shit.

>>if you say anything that isn't perfectly in line with the modern bullshit

>it neednt even be that. leftie, rightie, doesnt matter. its still the same sort of rodent that makes up these communities in the end. just a different coat of paint on top. character, ime, is more relevant than politics in most peoples day to day life.

good point. fuck everyone tbh

>as for the right to discriminate? sure, but only in a fully free society. you should be free to discriminate against who you please, and the rest of your countrymen should be free to refuse you any and all service so you starve to death as a result if they so please. that said, i think that must come with some caveats, i would have one be able to at any point appeal to the government for a paid trip to somewhere else in exchange for their citizenship of that nation and all land assets, such that one is never in such a place that the value of their labour that they have given to others cannot be redeemed.

i suppose i agree with this, i just dont think the government should necessarily be doing that much at all anyway, ideally in a perfect market you wouldn't have job deficits but people deficits which would give people the control ( as opposed to how it is now, which is that you need a job to live and your beholden to you employer) so you cold negotiate better compensation pay and never have a need for such a government program

>i would argue that a lot of people dont. a lot of people make it their lifes goal to do good, and in that respect excuse the evil they do on account of some perceived higher good, or because of some good it does to people they deem more important.

right but 'good' is so subjective. Hitler thought he was doing a good thing genociding the fucking hebes. he was but thats besides the point. Its relative. so why do these retards make it their philosophy? do people not realize how dumb they are? this is a hollow point to make but it fascinates me how phenomenally illogical and immune to critical thought some people are. What makes them that way? i don think its low iq, i dont even think i have a particularly high IQ (dna wise i shouldn't) but these people who have no draw to knowledge or study or whatever else. i cant figure out what makes people more critical. the cop out is to say its the way they're raised and the way that their brain take in that information that makes therm more or less curious. so i guess on a physical level its explainable but i dont think we have an answer for things beyond the realm of physical. why cant some people logically process certain bits of information? my bf/friend is intelligent in information but cant process a intellectual or otherwise technical conversation. Im just curious if this can be stimulated at all. id like to eventually have more technical talks with him since hes the most tolerable human i know and i (obviously) enjoy more technical conversation. but i never find anyone that i can tolerate and converse with in that way.

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 No.410261

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>>410260

>>409778

>philosophically speaking, i have 2 main problems im grappling with now right now. the first is the possibility of a right to do what is not right, which to me seems plainly nonsense. when phrased as such any and all rights as we understand them now seem to be null and void in absolute terms, and only possible through epistemic considerations which i can easily resolve with the application of a bit of hayeks good old spontaneous order and knowledge problem ideas. this in turn however gives every individual the right to kill the vicious should they deem it just, and makes it the obligation of his peers to judge his actions in turn. this might seem like an infinite regress however i suspect there is something to the idea of an ultimate end for man, therefore no such thing can exist in this context.

expand on this. i certainly think you can do what is not right but i think that doing so is the only legitimate way to revoke a persons rights(by doing it yourself). but i think retaliation on the wrongdoer can only be done by the wronged party or whoever is in authority to come in his stead. which i think gives the government right to imprisonment if and only if you think of the government as one being. obviously being the " 'public' being " not sure if this is an appropriate response to that but there are my thoughts anyway

>what follows from this is a doubt of the legitimacy of the prohibition of the use of force. now it seems plain to me that force has historical precedent as the most common and effective means of enforcing right, and that while some men are inclined to subject themselves to reason in absolute terms, others are more whimsical and will happily ignore reason whenever it is convenient for them to do so. thus, any moral system must account for such people, and in my observation the only effective means of dealing with those people is with force. nothing corrects a man as sharply as a fist to the face, it is not something he can simply ignore. some may wilt in the face of such force, but in my observation amongst reasonably well adjusted people it is a cause for reflection if you manage to piss someone off so much you get the shit kicked out of you for it. violent responses are also mechanistically advantageous for the correcting of misbehaviour, as they will be delivered in a much shorter space of time thus leaving a stronger connection to the cause for violence in the misbehaving agents mind. couple this with the great concern with the proportionality of the response ones peers typically take in violent acts, and i think honestly you have something that is superior for the correcting of mundane offences in every day life.

honesty i feel like shit because i cant respond with a substantial block of text. i completely agree with this analysis. I think those who believe in pacifism are retarded. Libertarian wise i think you should refrain from force but i think if in a society where everyone is using as minimal force as possible then your good. You can use it in moderation when you have the higher ground (socially, economically, physically etc.) but i dont think its use it a bad thing even half the time, its only when its used by certain people or in certain circumstances

>my second concern is the irreducible complexity of moral decision making. morality to me seems to fundamentally be comprised of a number of special concerns, such that very few right actions are capable of correcting the wrong actions in actuality. as a result, all imperfectly moral actions become a tradeoff in terms of the wrong done and the right achieved. this seems to me to be how it is in reality. cognitively however, going by currently practiced agent theory it seems impossible to me that these things not be compressed in some manner down to a single scalar via some internal utility function within the given agent capable of moral understanding and judgement. i have no solution to this problem.

this made me smile because now i get the genuine pressure of learning something. so please anon, the fuck did you mean by this? my issue is primarily in deciphering the core

>down to a single scalar via some internal utility function within the given agent capable of moral understanding and judgement.

honestly im not sure if i do or dont get it, im dumb though. i want to get it, but i guess im not seeing what needs to be solved. i agree with he premise that wrong can be atoned for with right at least in someway. i keep re-reading it to no avail. my final answer is [A] Agree. elaborate for small brain gang pls

also. im posting from school, so im on a vpn which is why my flag is (likely) Netherlands. apologies for being 6 fucking days late.

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 No.410267

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>>410260

>ideally in a perfect market you wouldn't have job deficits but people deficits which would give people the control ( as opposed to how it is now, which is that you need a job to live and your beholden to you employer) so you cold negotiate better compensation pay and never have a need for such a government program

fucking agreed fam

>right but 'good' is so subjective

eh, i dont think so, at least not in actuality. The Good as a concept is most definitely one of the most subjective things in philosophy, one of my biggest pet peeves with liberalism both as a broad philosophy and as a movement is that its unified concept of the good is a skepticism towards knowledge of the good. the only good it supposes is that of the ontological properties of humans and what must follow from them absent any value judgement, which is retarded as absent any reconciled particular value system you inevitably have the "all things are equal" pop liberalism shite.

>Im just curious if this can be stimulated at all.

aristotle would argue that emotions, being a sort of compiled understanding of particular virtue or lack thereof, are indeed alterable by willful action. the nicomachian ethics is a book im sure youll love if that interests you.

>expand on this.

>i certainly think you can do what is not right but i think that doing so is the only legitimate way to revoke a persons rights(by doing it yourself).

a person can most definitely have the power to do what is not right, but how can it be possibly said that they have a right to? such a thing would suppose a plurality of right as opposed to a unity, which would imply multiple absolute principle goods and without any form of unification effectively make it impossible to actually determine any moral question involving the two.

>but i think retaliation on the wrongdoer can only be done by the wronged party

in an atomistic analysis sure, however the problem is that wrong acting agent is still at liberty until such a time as the wronged agent takes his justice, which may never happen. this, in turn, leaves others vulnerable to the acts of this vicious agent, hence the phrase "an attack on one is an attack on all" and its variations. this agent has already proven that it will do you wrong (by actually doing wrong to another), so why allow it to do so to you in particular? to do so, you would have to suppose a right to do wrong, and if you do then where precisely does this right come from and how?

the rest of that follows naturally from the will of the wronged, so ive no need to address it.

tbh, ive really been hoping for someone to slap me out of that view on force. it puts me at odds with more or less the entirety of western civilisation as it exists now and really with few exceptions for all of its civilised history. where violence was historically permitted as far as i know it was due to reasons of practicality, its hard to enforce restrictions on violence when you simply havent the manpower for it or havent the means to prove it is as it was described. people around the world have fist fights to settle their grievances, but that doesnt mean that the local authorities wont crack skulls if they ever catch one in progress.

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 No.410268

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>>410261

>this made me smile because now i get the genuine pressure of learning something.

i wish i was learning solutions to this one. maybe when i get onto kant hell have a thing or two to say on it with his deontology.

>so please anon, the fuck did you mean by this?

so, im not strictly speaking here in terms of this philosophy or that philosophy, but the general gist of things i picked up while sleeping through AI class at uni. thats what i mean by "currently practiced agent theory", and by "currently practiced" i mean that utility functions have kind of been a core part of AI for as long as AI has been a thing and continue to be a thing as far as im aware in any agent that has to make actual judgement based on its internal goal excluding the obvious decision tree types which sort of have an implicit utility function anyway, though thats probably an abuse of the term "function".

by special, i mean as in "species". if you read anything philosophical on categories or metaphysics, youll find this word used in that sense a lot id wager. i know its basically the primary meaning in the works of aristotle and aquinas. hence why i think of morality as more of a matrix of virtues rather than a single scalar of good in raw actuality. to illustrate, if you steal a mans car and give him a pig, you may have provided him with a pig but he remains without a car. thus, without introducing the concept of money into this (which is not a clean solution, selling the pig may indeed bring him money with which he could buy a new car but both of those are separate actions with associated costs of time and effort, during which he is without his car and thus potentially open to the incurring of further losses). im not convinced by the unifying proportional good of justice being the solution either, as it doesnt do anything but impose a proportion on each virtue so as to allow for a meaningful total, i.e. it provides nothing actually new above the underlying reality that is the moral matrix.

>honestly im not sure if i do or dont get it

what im saying there is there seems to be an irreconcilable difference between how agents understand morality (at least in terms of how we think agents work) and how morality exists in actuality. the agent understands morality through a calculation, but morality in terms of right and wrong done is not reducable to a single number because each action is generally categoric in nature. if a man steals a car, unless he replaces it with a car (maybe even the exact same car will be needed) there can be no direct correction of the actual wrong done.

>apologies for being 6 fucking days late.

no worries mate, i appreciate that you replied at all.

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 No.410282

>>410260

>why cant some people logically process certain bits of information? my bf/friend is intelligent in information but cant process a intellectual or otherwise technical conversation. Im just curious if this can be stimulated at all. id like to eventually have more technical talks with him since hes the most tolerable human i know and i (obviously) enjoy more technical conversation. but i never find anyone that i can tolerate and converse with in that way.

Sounds like your bf is an aspie.

>but it fascinates me how phenomenally illogical and immune to critical thought some people are. What makes them that way? i don think its low iq, i dont even think i have a particularly high IQ (dna wise i shouldn't) but these people who have no draw to knowledge or study or whatever else. i cant figure out what makes people more critical. the cop out is to say its the way they're raised and the way that their brain take in that information that makes therm more or less curious. so i guess on a physical level its explainable but i dont think we have an answer for things beyond the realm of physical.

Most people only wanna argue politics and discuss conspiracy theories. Actual science education, as in picking up a fucking physics textbook and reading on your off-time is beyond the average prole.

Have you noticed most boomer-oriented non-fiction? It's mainly self-help, counseling, spirituality, or political biographies, or political pro-tips.

>>410236

>ignorant stereotyping

Two can play this game.

<Why does the right support hebephilia?

>"High-school girls are the best brides. Their pussies are still fresh and their hormones are still regulating. Dem feminists are butthurt roasties who want men to sniff their swampy coochies." T. typical rightist

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 No.410290

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>>410267

>but how can it be possibly said that they have a right to?

if you suppose a right to bodily autonomy exist then its just free will and doing what you want. you have the right to do what you want but you dont have the right to infringe on other peoples rights; right? i always thought it was more or less a given that you have this right with the things in the bill of rights for example. It isn't stated but by the logic of how man operates you can pretty much assume you have the right to any action that isn't an infringement on another persons rights, like the right not to be wronged? i think it would help to have a sort of discussion on what is and what isn't a right and why we think what we do.

>so why allow it to do so to you in particular?

isn't this just one of the many legitimate reasons behind the 2A? criminals are bounds to be in society for the simple reason that you cant kill a man for petty theft. so ideally you'd be aware of who is and isn't a threat and protect yourself appropriately correct? i think our differences in thought really come down to our region, i font really understand your want to over complicate things when every citizens should be walking around with a gun on account of how fucked every human CAN be. not even just because some areas ARE fucked but because people ARE. i therefore see no reason to complicate it further

>tbh, ive really been hoping for someone to slap me out of that view on force. it puts me at odds with more or less the entirety of western civilization

i dont think the outlaw of force is legitimate in society. Think about how people would argue for -like you said- natural/spontaneous/order/law. the abolition of force isn't a western ideal its disgust for it. More people commit murder than gay men are called faggot or anything else. The fear of society rejecting you is more than anything the government can hand you– for most people. So force isn't meant to be outlawed in the ideal western civilization.

does this help you? who knows, im retarded. i tried anyway.

>>410268

>if a man steals a car, unless he replaces it with a car (maybe even the exact same car will be needed) there can be no direct correction of the actual wrong done.

is there possibly a solution to this problem? even beyond the subjectivity of physical goods or whatever else its impossible to account for value specific to a person like sentimental value, so it can only be paid for by a or multiple acts of good as well as a reimbursement correct? i know that kikes pretty generally make a habit of donating a certain percentage of their income per year to Charity as a way of acknowledging they must have sinned quite a but that year( as humans) and subsequently try to atone for it by giving to the needy. But i think other than a practice like this you cant quantify something like that

<im running out of pictures

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 No.410340

>>410290

>if you suppose a right to bodily autonomy exist

this seems sensible at first glance, but this supposition must in turn have a cause. why should any given thing have a right to autonomy? if it follows from its nature, its in the nature of many things to kill that which is inconvenient to their existence. man has right to life, liberty, and property because it is necessary for his existence, but he doesnt have to exist, another could simply use the force nature has endowed them with for this purpose as they do with animals. there must be some other cause, one prior to it.

what seems to me to be the case is that good, defined properly, is derived from reality first and foremost, but specifically life, and through evolution. life, being a self-perpetuating thing that seemingly exists for its own sake, thus must be the source of good on earth. not all life is equal, however. some life thrives better than others, and thus has a claim of being greater than others. man is the only animal with the capacity to bend to his will all other forms of life, and is thus the best existing form of life and it can therefore be said that all other things serve the good the best when they serve him. evolution implies that all things have developed to be better, thus endowing all living things with a varying level of innate good. interestingly enough, this isnt a million miles away from the christian fundamental understanding of good.

>so ideally you'd be aware of who is and isn't a threat and protect yourself appropriately correct?

the question still remains, why wait? you know this individual is a willfully malfunctioning free agent, why wait til it nearly causes damage before removing it?

>the abolition of force isn't a western ideal its disgust for it

this isnt really something i see a lot of, can you elaborate on it?

>is there possibly a solution to this problem?

no, not really. whether or not one can conveniently solve it however has no bearing on material reality, which seems to bear my position out. in order to solve it, we have to perform some manner of abstraction such as with monetary compensation, which is innately lossy and thus incapable of delivering perfect justice as far as i can see.

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 No.410505

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>>410340

>this seems sensible at first glance, but this supposition must in turn have a cause. why should any given thing have a right to autonomy? if it follows from its nature, its in the nature of many things to kill that which is inconvenient to their existence. man has right to life, liberty, and property because it is necessary for his existence, but he doesnt have to exist, another could simply use the force nature has endowed them with for this purpose as they do with animals. there must be some other cause, one prior to it.

all things have aright to bodily autonomy because they own their bodies and actions. this seems like a self explanatory thing and ill admit im frustrated by not being able to figure out how to tell you to fuck off in a intellectual way (more intellectual than whats normal anyway) i definitely need to think about this more but i feel like you sort of provide your own answer with what you said about all things being good and moral as they come from nature and natural instincts. Im sort of rambling on but i think bodily autonomy comes from the idea of owning things that are rightfully yours ow that you maintain. if you earn your food and nourish your body and your thoughts come out of your mouth and you do what you want with the body you are in then you have bodily autonomy. infact i would argue that bodily autonomy is the fundamental bed rock of what things mean to be a 'right' it is something that simply is. you dont need to think about it to figure out why it should be a right.

>the question still remains, why wait? you know this individual is a willfully malfunctioning free agent, why wait til it nearly causes damage before removing it?

because he has not aggressed on you and until he does you have no right to aggress on him. He may have intentions to kill you but if you cant prove it you are morally wrong for striking him first. im not saying everyone has to be a fucking martyr its easy to take this out of context or look at this in a narrow light. All im saying is guilty until proven innocent is a bad way to build a society. this is why i said every citizen should have a gun- just out of principle for how relentlessly fucked the world is.

>this isnt really something i see a lot of, can you elaborate on it?

sure. So you listed the classic ideals of all forums of libertarianism regardless of denomination; "man has right to life, liberty, and property " and i would add a opposition to force. Most forms from left to right wing agree on these ideas. But i think the one thats most heavily misinterpreted is opposition to force. Most people think that as libertarians they should want force effectively outlawed (to say nothing of the hypocrisy of that) but i dont think thats the way were supposed to look at it. i believe ive already said in this thread that more people commit murders than commit hate crimes. This is because society plays a big role in how we act. and this is true in opposition to force. we dont want opposition to force to be illegal like murder, we want society as a collective to spit on those who seek to use force as a way of getting the unfair upper hand– a stigma just like calling a nigger a nigger would see societal backlash

libertarians who want to outlaw tyranny are tyrants.

<i wrote this thing from the bottom up mneaing the first paragrpgh i wrote is actually the last one on the bottom (not the statement) so thats why it may seem like im retarded and sporadic with how i write ( i am) but it also has to do with the fact that i ran out of steam toward the top which is why it seems sort of ill written. i cant be bothered to wait for a time when ive thought about it more, ill think about it after making this post and read your thoughts rather than compose a masterpiece of thought and write it to the enth degree

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 No.410507

>>410505

>this seems like a self explanatory thing and ill admit im frustrated by not being able to figure out how to tell you to fuck off in a intellectual way

in short, the question still remains as to why this particular thing has this concept called a right. animals dont have rights. where then do rights come from? how and why do rights come to be? the problem with the way most people think about rights is that they think them just inherent and unalienable. if that were true criminality would go unpunished. rights, therefore, must be predicated on something prior to mere existence as some thing.

>infact i would argue that bodily autonomy is the fundamental bed rock of what things mean to be a 'right' it is something that simply is

rights are not things you can point to and say they simply are, they are not in themselves sensible entities or else all cultures would know them as all cultures know what say a fly is.

>because he has not aggressed on you and until he does you have no right to aggress on him.

why? you wouldnt behave this way with a robot, or a disease, why a person?

>All im saying is guilty until proven innocent is a bad way to build a society

but were basing this entire conversation on them having been proven to be guilty of some act of aggression to someone.

>and i would add a opposition to force.

i think youre right to add that, but what do you think the core reason for that opposition to force is?

>libertarians who want to outlaw tyranny are tyrants.

in what sense? because opposition to tyranny being tyranny evaluates to P ^ ¬P = 1

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 No.410509

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I was far-right until I gave up, lefties won. Now I just want a nice dom bf.

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 No.410511

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>>410509

>the left won

Of course. You're fapping to dude's asses, and you're still trying to be right-wing. It's good to reconcile your interests with your ideals - you don't want to be a living contradiction. There's no reason to give up, though. We can save you from all sorts of problems.

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 No.410522

File: d2b5a6b483e296b⋯.png (345.93 KB,1024x768,4:3,smugmiki.png)

>>410511

>that image

>against things which were partially created by cultural Marxists by advocating for more Marxism

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 No.410523

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>>410522

>cultural marxism supports culture-industry

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 No.410529

>>410522

The people poisoning you have convinced you the antidote is what's been making you sick

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 No.410558

>>410507

>in short, the question still remains as to why this particular thing has this concept called a right.

>animals dont have rights.

do animals not have rights? i keep having pig blood dumped on me for no reason? i think all living things have rights

>where then do rights come from?

god? or otherwise just things that we know. im (clearly) not familiar with the probably typical answer to this question but as ive already surmised i would consider a 'right' to be individual liberties people have that can be found through logic and morality. The most famous use of rights being the American bill of rights, they specifically wrote that the United States government does not give you those rights, they simply uphold them. they are rights all humans are born with.

>how and why do rights come to be?

they simply are! see the bottom.

>the problem with the way most people think about rights is that they think them just inherent and unalienable. if that were true criminality would go unpunished. rights, therefore, must be predicated on something prior to mere existence as some thing.

>rights are not things you can point to and say they simply are, they are not in themselves sensible entities or else all cultures would know them as all cultures know what say a fly is.

the more i think about this the less i feel like we can have this discussion on 8chan. it seems way too big to have it. so to skip the part where i throw myself from a building; what do you think rights are? im typing this 13 hours later (than that^ way at the top) so my giving up on this is sort of contradictory. but i feel that rights are things you can logically get to within the proper society and its given evolved morality. i think that somebody who is from Asia has fundamentally different morals from someone who is from GB. but i think people from these regions wish to live good lives and they can all get to it though finding the rights of the people for themselves. so your correct when you say that rights aren't self evident to all people, but European rights are self evident to European people, i image the same would be said of other regions

>why? you wouldnt behave this way with a robot, or a disease, why a person?

i could take this so many fucking directions to answer this but the truth is i honestly feel that it is innate to me. perhaps its not. but i believe i already said it. its simply something that due to the environment i exist in i accept. i dont find this idea entertaining enough to elaborate on any further; it just seems really dull to distinguish living people and their inherent rights, and objects– less than animals, who you've already mentioned dont have rights.

>but were basing this entire conversation on them having been proven to be guilty of some act of aggression to someone.

your correct im stupid and we were having two discussions this whole time (i think) you were talking about punishment for found guilty criminals i was talking about how criminals are to be treated after they were made to pay for their crimes. i dont really have a 'good' solution to what we do about criminals who for whatever reason aren't punished, whats you thinking?

>i think youre right to add that, but what do you think the core reason for that opposition to force is?

there are a lot of reasons. each reason is a bit more unique than the last but i would say that libertariansim is founded in western morality a morality that would suggest that force is immoral to do onto others. it is something that is just generally held to be an erosion to society and is thus immoral as a general rule. their are a lot of reasons but fundamentally its simply immoral/

>in what sense? because opposition to tyranny being tyranny evaluates to P ^ ¬P = 1

that was more a joke. not really gonna argue over what is essentially a semantical opinion oriented joke. to make anything illegal is against the spirit of libertarianism at least in the american classical sense if you need me to elaborate on that statement please refer to any one of the founders of america

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 No.410559

>>410509

>I was far-right until I gave up, lefties won. Now I just want a nice dom bf.

admitting to no longer being right wing because your soy and need an alt-right daddy to take care of you. you were larping the whole time anyway

>>410511

>you don't want to be a living contradiction

alt-right faggots arent walking contradictions they're sane enough to find purpose in a family first ideology and are willing to fight for a political future that will get them killed because they actually give two fucks about their people

>>410529

ironic when a faggot who pays for diversity programming on the television is going to lecture us about the right is the thing that been making me sick. its the left. but i suppose the rise in left wing regulations and policy isn't whats been making our counties shitty places to be in for the last 70 years

>man things were so much better back then :)

<whats changed?

>well we had a black president but that was progress not regression; so it must be those frickin republicucks and their 'stop stealing my money' talk

actually end your life

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 No.410560

>>410558

>do animals not have rights?

i dunno, do they? if so, how?

>god?

everything comes from god though if you suppose the christian sort. saying rights come from god provides you with no meaningful knowledge of their nature beyond that they exist.

>they are rights all humans are born with.

yes but how? what gives life its right to be? why does any one thing have any kind of inherent value of any sort beyond that of a clump of matter?

>but i feel that rights are things you can logically get to within the proper society and its given evolved morality.

but what makes any one set of rights correct? why is the right to life more valid than the right to a pair of heelies on your 11th birthday?

>its simply something that due to the environment i exist in i accept.

thats the understanding most people have, and i honestly think the lack of understanding of the differentia and the principle of rights as a concept in themselves makes rights weaker. it provides our enemies with a means of forcing us into accepting absurdities like a right to do to another what is wrong, which is something that logically cannot be.

>whats you thinking?

im thinking that while punishment makes sense when assessed through incentives, from the perspective of virtue what matters is that the cause of the problem is addressed. if the person acted viciously out of poor character, our two options are either to reform them (in whatever way we choose, i would take that to mean even surgical methods) or simply destruction. obviously the former preserves more of the existing good and is therefore preferable before accounting for cost, but the latter is clean and guarantees no further malfunction.

>there are a lot of reasons

i would say first and foremost is that force is not reason. force is in fact destructive to the process of reasoning, and western philosophy and even theology is by and large centered around the primacy of reason. elaborating on that would be really quite a bit of writing though, and im sure you know what im talking about here.

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 No.410722

>>410560

>i dunno, do they? if so, how?

id say that animals have only the right to not be abused in excess by humans. i cant think of rights for animals that are not just fucking vegan which is fundamentally not what humans were made for so it would seem stupid to go vegan or even believe the bullshit

>everything comes from god though if you suppose the christian sort. saying rights come from god provides you with no meaningful knowledge of their nature beyond that they exist.

i know. it was meant to be a bit of a non sequitur; popcorn.

>yes but how? what gives life its right to be? why does any one thing have any kind of inherent value of any sort beyond that of a clump of matter?

ive addressed this. technically nothing but technically your environment. this is vaguely cultural relativist which is also true. rights are the results of a logical necessity that comes from the thinking you develop from existing in and learning-from your environment. they are not technically inherit or universal, at least not from continent to continent

>but what makes any one set of rights correct? why is the right to life more valid than the right to a pair of heelies on your 11th birthday?

there is no one correct one, i wasn't arguing for one. which is ultimately another reason to be right wing (gotta shill the ideas)

>thats the understanding most people have, and i honestly think the lack of understanding of the differentia and the principle of rights as a concept in themselves makes rights weaker. it provides our enemies with a means of forcing us into accepting absurdities like a right to do to another what is wrong, which is something that logically cannot be.

yeah well people are fucking stupid. i dont exactly think you need much more than that but i see what you mean

>im thinking that while punishment makes sense when assessed through incentives, from the perspective of virtue what matters is that the cause of the problem is addressed. if the person acted viciously out of poor character, our two options are either to reform them (in whatever way we choose, i would take that to mean even surgical methods) or simply destruction. obviously the former preserves more of the existing good and is therefore preferable before accounting for cost, but the latter is clean and guarantees no further malfunction.

reconciling this with 'classical' libertarianism seems difficult, would you agree?

>i would say first and foremost is that force is not reason. force is in fact destructive to the process of reasoning, and western philosophy and even theology is by and large centered around the primacy of reason. elaborating on that would be really quite a bit of writing though, and im sure you know what im talking about here.

i would agree

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 No.410740

like how the fag bo deletes the right wing thread but not this

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 No.410741

>>410740

I never saw the right-wing thread, but my guess is it’s probably because the right-wing thread went into deliberately hateful shit, as right-wing politics is wont to do.

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 No.410742

>>410559

>thinking putting minorities in places of power is somehow left-wing

Lmao you don’t know the first thing about actual left-wing politics do you? What that guy meant about poison and ant idiots and shit is that have the problems right-wingers bring up are problems caused by capitalism, that they wrongly and illogically attributed to literally anything else. Muh globalism and muh SJWs and muh immigrants, give me a break. SJWs aren’t the ones commodifying your culture and exporting your jobs to the third-world; the capitalists are. You people on about some conspiracy of lizard people or (((the Jews))) or whatever else secretly pulling the strings, when the actual globalist rulers are right there in front of you—the big megacorp owners who openly flaunt their connections with governments across the world, throwing money at whatever politicians they can, putting entire nations in debt to them so that they can obligate them to whatever they want. But yeah sure, it’s the SJWs and the (((cultural marxists))) that are ruining your lives yeah that makes a lot of sense.

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 No.410743

>>410741

then you ban the posters not delete the thread

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 No.410759

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>>410742

>>410742

>Lmao you don’t know the first thing about actual left-wing politics do you?

i do. and whatever the fuck you want to claim about how your "THE REAL LEFT not those fucking shit lib dems" is null as all fuck because you are both on the left of the political compass.

>What that guy meant about poison and ant idiots and shit is that have the problems right-wingers bring up are problems caused by capitalism, that they wrongly and illogically attributed to literally anything else.

All issues "caused by capitalism" literally only showed up after the first wave of democrat presidents following FDR. Shit has been getting worse since FDR which coincides with regulation and otherwise leftwing shit. are you actually fucking retarded?

>Muh globalism and muh SJWs and muh immigrants, give me a break.

you're the one who brought all this shit up you dimma-fucking-dumbass. ironic you'd call me out for sectioning out the left in broad strokes and then ad hom me about typical tired rightwing talking points bullshit

>SJWs aren’t the ones commodifying your culture and exporting your jobs to the third-world; the capitalists are.

who the fuck said i didn't hold this view? (also when you tell somebody who is already right wing your more likely to make a fascist than Bolshevik) and anyway as evidenced by the tax cuts (though not wholly - at al) jobs would stay in our country if not for the "fuck you" taxes you left twats push. look at Ireland. they absorb retarded amounts of money because they have some of the lowest taxes in the world. Look at history you absolute mong. Taxes go up jobs leave. capitalist dont have any reason to leave except bullshit government intervention.

>You people on about some conspiracy of lizard people or (((the Jews))) or whatever else secretly pulling the strings, when the actual globalist rulers are right there in front of you—the big megacorp owners who openly flaunt their connections with governments across the world, throwing money at whatever politicians they can, putting entire nations in debt to them so that they can obligate them to whatever they want. But yeah sure, it’s the SJWs and the (((cultural marxists))) that are ruining your lives yeah that makes a lot of sense.

i find an incredible amount of joy in the fact that you typed this whole thing thinking you'd have a gotcha. You got me!! you are truly the enlightened Marxist green pill me harder.

You do know that nobody worth their shit thinks theirs a cabal of kikes running the world? no. the truth is a lot more complicated and simpler. i can draw it up if you give a shit. but im sure you know what it is. youve spent all your time in the last 3 years reading all the Russian intellectuals who spilled their wet dreams of fair and equality into books to be distributed as propaganda– im sure your economics degree will pan out when you read books by communist and not economist.

theirs a massive list of reasons why communism simply out of common corps principles cannot succeed. look at china. they have to manipulate the fuck out of their economy to keep their shit going. get this through your thick skull; communist countries rely on capitalist ones to function. they simply do. you cant argue with it because soviet central planners said so. again; for a lot of reasons. the biggest one being Rolodexes. the many Russian famines that weren't intentional were due to poor central planning and bad allocation of resources. but your an honest commie im absolutely certain you know this.as well as the fact that communist cant actually math out goods and services without using a host of price Rolodexes from capitalist countries

this is all to say nothing of the stagnation of the currency and the fact that currency in communist countries are entirely (more) artificial than anyone elses and realistically any country thats big enough could literally use their economy to knock the pillars out from theirs. of course china bought shitloads of american bonds so we wont be fucking them over all (which is the only way for them to have a legitimate currency btw)

honestly im not going to argue this shit anymore. if you think you can ad hom to win a fight your retarded and identifying with any of the standard political stances is just fucking retarded also. i dont really have any more words for you other than to say that id like to request that you stop thinking you actually know politics because nobody fucking does its all retarded and defending your side is a waste of time ( this whole thing was defending myself not my ideology as well as attacking the dumbest ideology out there)

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 No.410762

>>410759

Dunning Kruger: the post, you haven't a clue what you're arguing against so you flail pathetically against shadows on the wall.

>the left of the political compass.

The 'political compass' doesn't mean shit, anyone can set up a political compass that sets them on one side and everyone they don't like on the other because where one places the centre is completely arbitrary and ideological. You see libs on the left, i see them on the right, you're completely infantile if you 1. think that politics can be plotted on some sort of compass or spectrum 2. expect anyone to take your moronic assertions that actually everyone to the left of you has everything or anything in common with eachother

>All issues "caused by capitalism" literally only showed up after the first wave of democrat presidents following FDR.

This is all just nonsense until you enumerate what you view as these 'issues', regardless of the fact that there was plenty going wrong with capitalism long before some burger president that your bird-brain wants to blame for ruining your prelapsarian capitalism.

>anyway as evidenced by the tax cuts (though not wholly - at al) jobs would stay in our country if not for the "fuck you" taxes you left twats push. look at Ireland. they absorb retarded amounts of money because they have some of the lowest taxes in the world. Look at history you absolute mong. Taxes go up jobs leave. capitalist dont have any reason to leave except bullshit government intervention.

This is utter nonsense, you're so utterly narrow-minded you think taxes are something that concerns or is advocated by the left. There is so much more to economics my dude.

Besides the idea that somehow tax cuts will stop capitalists from relocating overseas is naive as fuck, at very best you can very slightly slow down the rate at which it happens, but unless you actually match the desirable conditions for employment of bangladesh, india and the philippines, ie. having no worker protections, very, very low wages, complete lack of regulations you won't 'bring jobs back' or prevent them being moved or outsourced abroad. It is simply impossible for a western economy to outcompete and be more attractive to investors, especially in manufacturing, than countries in the global south.

Moreover absolutely hilarious that you think Ireland is a model, you might as well say Liechtenstein or Luxembourg is a model. Small countries are able to operate as tax havens and sustain their population at a high-standard of living by providing loopholes to multinationals and banks but this isn't replicable on a real economy of a real country, something that is blatantly obvious if you put even a second of thought into it, you can't scale-up a tax haven. Besides even on the scale of ireland the model is fucking garbage, try living in ireland, their property market is hellish and their economy collapses like a house of cards the moment any economic turbulence hits like in 2008 when they ate shit more than most and the only way their 'recovery' has left unemployment, rising homelessness and austerity.

Finally its laughable that you invoke history while claiming that taxes going up makes jobs leave when historically higher top marginal tax rates have correlated with higher economic growth and lower unemployment.

The rest of your post is inane ranting with not a single argument made but its fairly evident that you have not the slightest idea about economics, history or politics yet you think that garbling cliches with no basis in reality and some pretty telling projection going on constitutes some refutation or argument against anyone's politics. All in all, absolutely pathetic.

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 No.410769

>>410762

>Dunning Kruger

lmao i literally said

>> id like to request that you stop thinking you actually know politics because nobody fucking does its all retarded and defending your side is a waste of time

shit bait; fuck off cunt. unironically and genuinely not going to read the rest of your block of text if your going to claim im dunning krugering when i explicitly say that he and I and you dont know shit about politics

tell your nephew Muhammad i said hi and fuck off and die

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 No.410773

>>410722

>rights are the results of a logical necessity that comes from the thinking you develop from existing in and learning-from your environment.

i think what this boils down to ultimately, is just legalism. if the law, being the (at least in theory) settled opinions of right and wrong of the culture, say that one must under all circumstances have these rights barring infringing the rest of the law, then that constitutes a right. the problem i have with that is its really just a privilege, one bestowed by being subject to those laws. there is nothing natural about it, no reason it must be, no direct connection to reality, such rights are often arbitrary even. ontological rights seem sensible at first, but reconciling them with any conception of absolute good and not rejecting the existence of evil results in them merely being epistemic at best, if not outright invalid.

>reconciling this with 'classical' libertarianism seems difficult, would you agree?

yes, but classical liberalism is a fucking mess of protestant and actually liberal thought. i still dont quite get why locke forbids killing a man to retrieve your stolen goods but says its just fine to protect them. classical liberalism needs reinventing to be at all relevant now, tbh.

personally, the more i read of aristotle and aquinas the more i think theres probably something to the idea of there being innate purpose in existence and a divine will at work. evolution and divine purpose reconcile nicely, if you forget the plato/aristotle conceptions of eternal substance. man may not have been conceived by god as we might think of, but i dont see why the rejection of eternal substance couldnt result in modern understanding of natural systems being perfectly reconciled with christian views of god as purpose and god as origin.

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 No.410774

>>410769

lmao, absolutely arseblasted

read a book burger :^)

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 No.410967

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 No.411000

Any /cuteboy/ leftist out there that I could give a mercy-kill to is the kind of leftist I love. I would grieve for the fact that being infected with the leftism disease would make it necessary to knock a /cuteboy/ unconscious, string him up, then bleed him out like fresh game from both neck arteries. Allah and other Gods willing, I would do this thing to free them from their cursed leftist fate.

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 No.411515

No. This cute boy knows his history and knows that once the left takes power the platitudes they push about pussyboys ceases and often become the first group of persecuted political Undesirables.

I go anarchist, which is either far right or off the spectrum. No one can use a government apparatus to persecute gays and criminalize homosexuality if there is no state.

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 No.411539

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>>411515

>i go anarchist, which is either far-right of off the spectrum

>the far-right has my best interests in mind as a degenerate homosexual

Kek

Member ernst rohm?

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 No.412871

>>408889

Unfortunately, most of your fellow white men will never agree. The thing about white folks is that they don't even like each other. "Race realism" is just a defense against outside threats. But once the brown people are gone, they will turn on each other.

Look at England. They were so racist, that they enslaved their fellow Gaelic neigbors (Irish and Scots).

Even in America, white racialists will discriminate worthiness by native region.

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 No.412947

@NoLimitsSlut289 Kik

@Marz52 (Trans Goblin)#0781 Discord

@Megan89 Telegram

Message me on these if any right wing men wanna use me <3

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 No.412984

tfw no bf to breadpill me to fix my pol brain

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 No.412986

I'm an anti industrial environmentalist revolutionary nihilist multidisciplinary anarchist that takes a lot of influence from marxism and postmodernism, whats up.

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 No.412987

>>411515

Anarchism is the furthest left you can get lmao.

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 No.413092

>>412986

What the fuck did you just say

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 No.414224

>>405152

>Any nationalist beliefs are, at their core, completely incompatible with so-called "sexual deviancy" and minding one's own business. Traditionalism is a fundamental feature of it. It doesn't matter what people change or don't change, it is not nationalism without those qualities.

Completely untrue.

>>408889

Your ideas remind me a little bit of the alt left. I'm not talking about how GOP types butcher the term to refer to groups like BLM, but the original people to use the name. Are you familiar with them? They were a loose assortment of people into race realism (sometimes extending into white nationalism) but minus the ball and chain of "traditionalism."

I'm probably more right-leaning than anything (if still basically a centrist with strong in-group preference), but I'm sick to death of the right's sexual puritanism, blind adherence to religious traditions, and insecure chest-pounding about how ALPHA they are.

I might support pro-white "identity politics," but I'm not kidding myself that ethnostates are likely to come back in the West. The right makes a lot of valid points about the decline of social trust and the rise in anomie and rootlessness, but is there a practical remedy? Maybe North America will balkanize, but will there be leaders willing to really take on corporate power? And modern technology may have huge downsides, but Pandora's box has already been opened in that regard. I lurked the discussions of a site that regularly discussed these problems for years, and I really don't see much of a way forward for conservatives to remedy these problems.

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 No.414970

>>408010

Limonov is a real fagg

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 No.417185

join

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