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 No.368951 [Last50 Posts]

How many of you actually believe that you will ever find the cuteboy of your dreams? How many of you are aware, that you will most likely die a bitter, disappointed man, if you clinge to this idea that this is even remotely feasible. How many of you would go back to dating woman if a cute one were to show any interest? This has been brought up before, that I'm pretty sure of, but in this case, I want you guys to think about that for your own sake. You don't need to try to prove anything to me. I just think this is something that needs to be talked about every now and then, because I think that some of you haven't really thought this through.

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 No.368953

File: 3a85ae214493fe4⋯.png (327.39 KB,713x700,713:700,shinji_and_kaworu.png)

I didn't believe it would happen until it did. I do think i'm ridiculously lucky especially given how unlikely us meeting was.

>How many of you would go back to dating woman if a cute one were to show any interest?

I'm a fag, women are universally unattractive and sexually disgusting tbh. At least there are some cute and sexy guys.

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 No.368959

File: 1672c16c032b5ba⋯.gif (376 KB,500x281,500:281,giphy.gif)

>>368953

Lucky indeed. I know, however, that for every case like yours there have to be countless where it didn't and won't ever happen. I suppose that's what one has to deal with when one is part of a minority within a minority.

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 No.368961

>>368953

Same here.

>>368959

You only get the bad end when you give up.

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 No.368963

Unless you got unrealistic standards I don't see why it has to be impossible.

There's a lot of gay people out there and I just want to find a nice boy who likes me. If I keep trying to look good and stuff I don't see why I can't, I guess I can look alright and I don't ask for much I think.

And no I don't think I could ever date a woman.

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 No.368964

>>368961

For some of us, who quit too soon, that may be true, but considering how few of us there are, some are just condemned to be lonely, unless they just take what they can get. I don

>>368963

The problem is, that only a small amount of them will appeal to ones taste and if you have a, let's say, rather unusual taste, you will have a hard time finding what you are looking for. Then again, the chances for anyone to find a perfect partner with nothing to complain about is highly unlikely. Everyone settles for someone, is what someone told me.

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 No.368965

>>368964

I don't like the word "settling".

If you love someone you should be able to look past whatever flaws they may have, that's how I see it.

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 No.368967

>>368965

Fucking this.

OP, it's no secret that a bunch of anons here are prison gay. It's just a hell of a lot easier to get attention from guys than girls.

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 No.368968

>>368965

To some people, this might be their definition of settling, but it's whatever.

>>368967

Seems to be a lot of guys here, though.

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 No.368974

File: 8c46084592f9750⋯.png (27.31 KB,417x403,417:403,a5b4cb01e51861035555d76ecd….png)

>>368967

>Date girls semi-regularly

>Fool around with a trap once

>Do nothing gay at all though

>Move away from the city I've spent most of my life in

>It's really hard to meet new people now that my social circles are gone

>After a while of isolation start feeling "curious"

>Post ad on CL

>Young, cute girly-boy responds

>goodenough.bmp

That's pretty much my story right there. I still feel attraction to most young women, and only an extreme minority of guys, but since then I've dated several dudes and in retrospect men are way fucking better in every category. Looking back I realize that all my romantic/sexual interactions with women have in one way or another brought me more suffering than anything else. However with guys they're all actually decent human beings, who care about how I feel, have true interests and hobbies, and want to do things together.

It's entirely possible that I went prison gay in real life, and if so I'm cool with that.

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 No.368976

File: 059781a802509a7⋯.jpg (249.92 KB,1424x1080,178:135,1512982445436.jpg)

>>368951

I've been alone literally my whole life and I'm not really too concerned about it. It's weird because I've had chances with guys and girls but I just don't bother pursuing any of them. I'm not sure if it's fear of rejection or that I genuinely don't care but I get on pretty good by myself and some of the happiest times in my life were just enjoying my solitude and being in nature so I'll just keep doing my thing tbh. I probably will die alone though

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 No.368979

>>368976

You and me both. Of course, most of them didn't fulfil even half of my requirements, but most of then not, I just preferred being alone. Nowadays, the thought of being with someone in an intimate relationship is really unappealing. Not sure, if that will change any time soon

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 No.368980

>>368979

*most of the time

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 No.368986

Space Dandy was a good show.

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 No.368989

>>368986

I stumbled upon this one while looking for a good reaction image. I might just lookninto it. Seems interesting enough.

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 No.368993

File: 14f2cb138fbbe68⋯.png (241.03 KB,534x346,267:173,unknown.png)

>>368951

Men

>Play vidya

>Both work, more money

>Jerk and fuck whenever

>Share more hobbies

>Easy to satisfy

>No kids

Women

>Judges constantly

>Whines

>No libido

>Doesn't work, always wants things

>Annoying to satisfy

>On the rare chance you do fuck there could be kids

Bitch why would I date women?

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 No.368995

I went gay because I find women insufferable. I seriously can't talk to one without wanting to hurt them. I would date a woman if she had the male gender. The male body isn't my first choice, but whatev.

Will I ever find my man? I hope so. I'm only 20, so still time left. I think my requirements are reasonable. 1) virgin 2) I'm attracted 3) he needs a life plan of some sort. Id be willing to start long distance too. My biggest obstacle is exposure. Idk how to spread my net while also avoiding internet dating, which seems like the most depressing shit.

Is that such a lofty dream? Surely I'll find someone.

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 No.369036

File: 1091f1bcba1817f⋯.jpg (140.01 KB,506x566,253:283,Best girl.jpg)

I doubt I'll ever find a cuteboy/grill, and it makes me sad at times thinking about it. At the very least I'll always have 2D cuties.

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 No.369049

I have lost all hope that I will ever so much as meet someone who I can picture as a true "equal". Anything less, and a sexual relationship would be much the same as one I might have with a dog.

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 No.369050

>>369049

>and a sexual relationship would be much the same as one I might have with a dog.

?????????

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 No.369055

>>368951

>How many of you actually believe that you will ever find the cuteboy of your dreams?

Probably won't.

>How many of you are aware, that you will most likely die a bitter, disappointed man, if you clinge to this idea that this is even remotely feasible.

That's why I don't cling, a masculine male is fine with me

>How many of you would go back to dating woman if a cute one were to show any interest?

I don't like women. Vaginas are gross, boobs don't get me off and can look nasty at times. Only their superficial femininity can be attractive to me.

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 No.369060

>>369055

I still will never understand how men can be more feminine than women.

But damn do I love me an effeminate boy

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 No.369064

>>369060

Because women don't have to give a shit. They can go their whole lives doing less then nothing and still have the world tell them how amazing they are. They also deal with problems differently than men; a man encountering a problem seeks a way to remove the problem while a woman tries to ignore it or minimize its impact. Since women are more emotional and reliant on social networks than men, the most logical way (as far as she is concerned) for a women to "solve" the problem of not being feminine enough is to convince others that it doesn't matter.

>>368968

Well yeah. Who uses these websites? Any girl (female) is either an attention whore or silent about their gender. Years and years and years of women acting insufferable have given rise to a zero-tolerance policy when dealing with them online. Any that remain are rightfully silent about their gender, plus we have fujos pretending to be gay men so traps will show them their panties and locked cocks. I know you're reading this.

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 No.369068

>How many of you would go back to dating woman if a cute one were to show any interest?

prison gays are fucked. there's already a slim chance regular guys can stomach women and find one to stay with them. any kind of prison gay who thinks he can switch back to women later is sorely mistaken. if they actually fucked up so badly they had to turn prison gay while still being desperate for women then the women will smell the desperation a mile away and just use them if they're lucky enough for that.

>How many of you are aware, that you will most likely die a bitter, disappointed man, if you clinge to this idea that this is even remotely feasible.

most people die bitter and disappointed. if you die like that then it's normal. people who die happy and fulfilled are in a tiny minority. the common fantasies about life are noob traps perpetuated by the bitter and disappointed who want others to follow along. misery loves company is a phrase 99% of the population won't understand their entire life.

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 No.369087

File: 5fbb63af2079699⋯.jpg (14.77 KB,288x432,2:3,6d9.jpg)

I met the most passable mtf person I've ever seen. They were growing tits and 19. Unfortunately they were batshit insane and no amount of amazing boi-pucci was worth it.

The worst part was I really did like them, we had similar interests and hobbies, I wasn't embarrassed at the idea of being seen in public like I thought I would be, I was happy, and they treated me better than any woman ever had, until they started treating me like every other woman ever had.

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 No.369108

>>369060

I try. I wish in my next life I could be an IRL trap, body secreting female hormones but keep the dick. Alas, I'm just a twink at best.

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 No.369111

File: 8aea10bece2f21f⋯.jpg (21.48 KB,320x320,1:1,520b3c19f8b4c.jpg)

>met an european guy on the internet

>we get along pretty well

>share the same fetishes and everything

>share pics and like each other's appearance

>begin to talk to each other like if we are in a relationship already

>he wants me to live with him

I wish I wasn't so autistic and shy

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 No.369113

I honestly don't want a relationship. I'm incredibly clingy and I never stop thinking about the person I'm dating when I date them. It got to the point where I couldn't focus on any of my studies and I had to drop a class. Plus I have abandonment issues from being orphaned

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 No.369127

File: b0ee12719892830⋯.jpg (27.39 KB,500x347,500:347,daijoubu.jpg)

>>369108

keep it up anon, I believe in you and so does Kuuga

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 No.369129

>>368951

I did find the cuteboy of my dreams, but then he dumped me :(

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 No.369134

>>368951

>How many of you would go back to dating woman if a cute one were to show any interest?

Anyone who says they would should gtfo, because you prison gay faggots are most pathetic things I have ever witnessed. Not only are you making everything worse for yourself by entrenching yourself in this delusional lie that you're gay, you're also shitting up the community for everyone else.

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 No.369135

>>369111

If this is true then it's very cute and I hope you give it a serious thought, who knows might work out very well!

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 No.369159

>>368951

I don't like women emotionally, I'd rather date an ugly guy than a women because the emotional side matters more to me than the physical.

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 No.369184

>>368951

Look, relationships are hard, but there are a lot of lovely people out there.

When you love someone honestly you are not settling, you're accepting of their flaws, they accept yours, you build stuff together.

Respecting yourself and looking for something you like is important, and improving yourself for yourself is important.

I ended up with a girl that accepts my love of femininity, I enjoy her attachment to masculine things–we aren't trans exactly just kinda, genderqueer? The women hating here makes me feel bad, like people aren't looking at people as people on an individual level.

Good luck to everyone I guess.

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 No.369189

File: 3d2d436b8d6202f⋯.jpg (46.7 KB,447x589,447:589,1512983264716.jpg)

I honestly wish I had a boyfriend. I'm so fucking scared of meeting new people and maybe getting HIV, and every "cuteboy" I talk to is really just looking for sex. Don't get me wrong, sex is great and all, but it's just so spooky, and I wanna get to know them before I do anything

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 No.369202

>tfw you will never be a girl

>tfw you will never be a female trans

>tfw you will never be a cross-dresser

>tfw you will never be a feminine boy

>tfw you will never be a cute boy

just kill me already

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 No.369205

>>369202

have you considered: trying to do become any of those instead of whining about it?

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 No.369206

>>369135

Thanks. I'll think about what I'm going to do. It's a really big decision. Of course, if it didn't go right I could just go back, but still.

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 No.369208

>>369205

i would love to, but i don't think i would be able to

can't sneak in (nor buy) girly clothes out of fear my family sees them

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 No.369210

>>369189

Same anon ,same …

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 No.369217

File: 50d23b6eab0d585⋯.jpeg (72.56 KB,1024x615,1024:615,1_iC0UjKDxFViE3XZuk6MMUw.jpeg)

>girls

Ill leave this here

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 No.369222

>>369217

[citation needed]

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 No.369226

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 No.369228

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 No.369229

File: 684fec0fbb2d9ca⋯.jpg (39.51 KB,500x500,1:1,684fec0fbb2d9ca4ebed6e813f….jpg)

>>368951

With how submissive and shy I am (especially around women), I'd still rather go for men , maybe not a cuteboy but as long as they're decent looking and aren't complete spaghetti then I'd give em a chance.

I've had too many bad experiences with women in the past that kind of made it too disappointing to even try.

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 No.369230

File: 69bac9bdba43310⋯.jpg (54.1 KB,599x450,599:450,1460084205471.jpg)

>>368995

Why do they have to be a virgin tho anon? I understand that a lot of men are THOT's but I've seen virgins that can be just as slutty if not more slutty then your average gay, the only thing holding them back is confidence or attraction.

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 No.369232

File: 33f61d8e265f90b⋯.jpg (79.88 KB,766x960,383:480,33f61d8e265f90b173d2a0a286….jpg)

>>369189

Shit are you me? I honestly could care less for sex (even tho I fap almost daily), I really just want someone to spend time with, watch movies, play vidya, hang out with friends and cuddle. Why do I feel like boys like me are almost extinct?! ;-;

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 No.369239

>>369232

I want a cute guy who is willing to "date" for probably months before I'd be willing to start having sex. Personally, I think this is not possible. Young gays tend to try to build bonds by having sex, rather than having sex with someone they have a bond with.

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 No.369271

>>369232

I know right! Honestly building trust and stuff would be optimal, and maybe later there could be sex stuff, but I just wanna feel loved for once. And plus, I'm trap material but I'm just too shy…

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 No.369277

I am already looking forward to the sweet embrace of death. Until then I have porn and imaginary fantasies which serve me well enough.

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 No.369278

File: 6dafb62b834adea⋯.png (119.08 KB,500x282,250:141,welp.png)

>>369189

>>369232

>>369239

>>369271

mfw impossible to find anyone closeby who actually wants to date and it's nothing but hook-ups.

doesn't help that it's hard to find fags here in the first place.

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 No.369283

>>369278

You have no idea. I used to live in the Czech Republic

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 No.369467

>>369184

you need to leave

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 No.369490

File: e1d2c26e46f54c4⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image,1.95 MB,3840x2160,16:9,sss (4).JPG)

If the female was non-human and was into mind-melding, maybe. Otherwise I'll just take more mushrooms and hope I can turn asexual completely one day.

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 No.369502

>>369490

Ach, du bists wieder. Wir hatten vor kurzem im Deutschland Thread geschrieben. Hätte nicht gedacht, dass du auch in meinem Thread posten würdest, allerdings wundert mich deine Antwort nicht.

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 No.373524

File: 9779901384d2f4b⋯.jpg (21.01 KB,1280x1024,5:4,9779901384d2f4bd7aaf45d7be….jpg)

>>368951

Let us be blunt.

Your mental illness may be treated with electroshocks.

Homos will burn in hell.

But first they will be hanged on earth.

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 No.373541

>>373524

>mental illness

>homos will burn in hell

You know what fucking board this is, right?

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 No.373546

>>373541

you know you're feeding an obvious troll, right? smh fam

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 No.373570

File: dfcdb61578ecd28⋯.gif (925.6 KB,500x281,500:281,prince space dandy.gif)

>>368951

If Dandy can find a cuteboi like Prince in an entire galaxy, then I can find a cuteboi near me.

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 No.373573

File: be8830cadca2913⋯.jpg (44.77 KB,225x350,9:14,1518712562214.jpg)

I've already found my boyfriend for life.

He's far from being the cutest, but for me having a comfy personality and similar interests are way more important than looks.

(3rd time posting this because I'm dumb)

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 No.373720

File: f75ee143160fb6f⋯.png (92.73 KB,631x114,631:114,omnipresentvirgin.png)

Comparing women with men for me is the most retarded thing ever. They're two pretty different beasts, and even if a dude tries to act girly, he's just a dude trying to act girly, not a woman.

I don't think it's impossible, I think it's just far less likely to happen. Being in the closet doesn't help, along with the whole gay people making up such a small percentage of the population thing. But in the end, who gives a shit if you don't get the one perfect bf anyways? I'd rather fail at that then just shift goalposts.

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 No.373732

I've met several cuteboys on and off this site that i would consider my dream cuteboy. My bf being one of them.

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 No.381516

>>368951

Its not so much the reality as the hope/ambition of finding "the one." Most things in life wanted are fueled by hope and ambition.

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 No.381596

I already married the cuteboy of my dreams.

>back to dating women

That's your problem. No commitment. Straight/bicurious men are props for one-off roleplay scenarios. Gay men–6s and 5s on the Kinsey scale–get what they want (cute boys) because they pursue it. I'm a 6 on the Kinsey scale, I'm the keyholder and Master for currently eight chaste femboys. Some cycle through as temporary playmates but there's a six-sub core that hasn't changed in five years. Three of those are branded including my husband. All this I keep by experience and a dedication of time and effort.

If you are not successful as a dominant, you are not committed. You haven't earned it, that is. You don't deserve it, and honestly it probably isn't your place to.

>>368953

has the right idea.

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 No.381667

File: 988806bd3d19dae⋯.jpg (243.08 KB,1679x1621,1679:1621,Unbenannt.JPG)

I just find disgusting old men. This is hell.

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 No.381674

>>373720

I don't think most people expect to get the perfect ideal, just one who's flaws aren't so bad and pros make up for them. It's unreasonable to expect anyone to settle down with a Chris Chan tier boyfriend.

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 No.381689

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>>381674

Did you just assume Christina chans Gender? They go by She/her pronouns now and are a beautiful and intelligent trans women. Respect HER pronouns, you shitlord

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 No.381744

>>368951

for myself, I'm only holding onto the hope for another 3 years. I'm approaching mid twenties, and even with Tblocks, the maleness will catch up eventually :)

I've gotten mistaken for a 17 year old numerous times, and I get misgendered frequently, so I'm hopeful lol

I can't say I'm excited to lose my cuteboy superpowers, but I am excited for what kind of person I can become when I lose the ability to chase this physical dream. Beauty withers, as do flowers, as do humans, as does every good song end.

I am excited to change. I will always love males more than females, but I am forever bisexual. I won't stop being attracted to cute boys, but I will certainly run out of time to be a cute boy!

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 No.381745

>>368995

>virgin

yikes.

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 No.381812

>>368951

As a femboy myself, it is true that we are pretty rare. In the 12 years I've lived in the area I am, I have only come across one femboy and he later came out as trans so yeah… That said, I hear this too much and I tell this to every guy who expresses interest in femboys but are too scared to act on it be it because of where they live or family & friends.

But this kind of thing hurts them more than they know because far too often what usually happens is when said femboy-attracted guy gets older, they begin to become more confident in what they really like and then set out to find a femboy. But the problem is that the guy is now in his early-mid 40s, even 50s and is chasing after young 20s aged femboys who will on average, have no interest in them because of the large age gap or the man didn't take care of himself and became physically unattractive.

So my advice to any one who is young and actually is attracted to femboys, ACCEPT IT and meet some Femboys. If your friends or family won't accept you for being with someone who you truly like, that's their own hangup. If you're a guy who lives with your parents then okay, I understand that you may want to stay in their good graces but take steps to get independent so you can live the life you want. But aside from that, unless you live in a very conservative, anti-gay country, there's no reason to be ashamed of being attracted to femboys if that's what you're into.

Don't be that guy who comes out much later and then having to experience the consequence of staying in the closet for too long. Try to meet that cute similar aged femboy while you're young.

And if you are older or in the process of reaching your 40s though this goes for everyone no matter their age, take care of yourself. Wash your face, wear sunscreen, try to be at least a bit physically active, and try not to indulge too much in unhealthy food or habits (smoking). Because if you're going after a femboy who puts work into their looks, they're not just going to roll over for a guy who doesn't do the same unless he's like a gold-digger or something and do you really want that?

I hope this helps at least someone out there.

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 No.381814

>>381812

Excellent advice! The one exception would be, some femboys do like more of that 'daddy' look. Yes, of course take care of yourself, but acceptance and being out with it ought to come first.

There really is no hope for guys in the closet. Cuteboys will take that at face value and the chances of them attempting to seduce a guy they think is straight who just happens to be a closeted gay/bi guy are extremely slim.

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 No.381815

>>369060

I feel that feminism has a hand in that. Now don't get me wrong, Feminism did a lot of good for women like letting women be seen as people instead of property or being able to pursue a career if they desire and so on. But during the second-wave, while they did help get rid of discrimination in the workforce, there was this backlash towards femininity that some women embraced as they found it was part of the patriarchy that keeps them down so they started rejecting femininity and this kind of mentality stuck around to the present.

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 No.381817

>>381814

Oh I understand that there are Femboys into daddies but on average, they are attracted to daddies who take care of themselves if you know what I mean. I mean, I'm 26 but I can find older men attractive but only if they are like muscular lol But I know other femboys don't mind more heftier men so long as they are not grossly obese or have an unkempt appearance. But yeah, I would definitely work on self-acceptance and being candid and out with it first and foremost. Build up your confidence now. Learn to not care what your friends or family think because while they may find it weird and maybe even judge your femboy boyfriend, if he is a genuine nice, kind, supportive person, they may come around and go "You know, he really isn't that bad".

And yeah, some closeted guys are a lost cause and to be frank, reap what they sow for staying in the closet way too long and missed their opportunities. And I do urge femboys to not stay with a closeted man who will never accept them and thus, will just be wasting time.

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 No.381822

>>381817

Haha, I only really say that because my husband genuinely likes me bigger with more of a musclegut appearance, and my other subs have taken to it without complaint. I recognize, though, that I'm 25 and even with the extra weight, I maintain decent skin and I haven't begun to visibly age. As time goes on, I don't think I'll be able to keep this appearance up and I'll have to slim down, but I notice that at my age, you would think the weight would be a problem but it really hasn't been.

That's not really what's behind good dominance, though. Being a good boyfriend for cuteboys is all about self-image and ownership, of yourself as much as any boys you might be interested in. Maintain self-ownership, honesty, and a good attitude, and as a dominant you can get away with a lot. If you're good to cuteboys, provide for them, listen to them, and take ownership of your position & responsibilities, that gets reciprocated in cuteboys who want to be around you because they feel cared for and wanted.

I have to admit that I got lucky, though. My own family readily accepted my sexuality, then when I started dating, they welcomed my then-boyfriend, now-husband. He's a member of the family now as much as anyone. My family is amazing and I'm extremely close with them, but I understand for a lot of guys, that isn't an option. I can't imagine the difficulties of being closeted in a family that expects that, because it's so alien to me. Still, you can be closeted to your family, but you sure can't be closeted to your boyfriend. Maybe your family doesn't have to know, but too many guys don't know where to draw the line.

tl;dr Be out with it and be proud to date a cuteboy, and they'll be proud to date you.

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 No.381824

>>381822

Oops, forgot to say that I'm

>>381596

Don't take my other subs comment as me cheating, I would never.

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 No.381842

>>368951

>>381822

Eh maybe for some but speaking for myself as someone who is into fitness (though not making myself looking like a gym bunny lol), for my ideal partner, I'd want him to take care of himself as well. It doesn't matter to me if the guy is rich or super affluent because I'm not all that money obsessed and I'd rather take a guy I'm into who makes enough money to support himself than a guy who's not my type who is super wealthy. My lifestyle is pretty frugal and simple, I don't buy designer clothes or care about bags and fancy cars and I don't expect my guy t obe all about that either if you know what I mean But I do agree with everything else. Just treat the guy like you care about him.

And exactly. I can understand why one would be closeted in the case of a super conservative family but it's not fair of them to expect an out and confident femboy to go back into the closet for them and while some may be okay with it at first, it will get to him and he's not going to want to deal with that anymore and will leave the closeted guy for a guy who won't treat him like a burden.

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 No.381849

>>381842

Oh of course! I'm not putting that idea down a bit, I've been fit before, I used to hang out on /fit/ a lot, I still could go right back to that, it's mostly a priorities thing. I'm not out buying him designer anything, when I say I provide for him it's more like, yeah, I pay bills, and I'm there as sort of a caretaker. We make fun of rich people, we're not rich, but we get by. Middle class, all that.

The important thing is just what you said, care about him. Give a shit about the person you're with, and have a spine. That's really my point in all this. If someone isn't in a position to honestly be partnered with a boy for more than a quickie or whatever, then he shouldn't be partnered with a boy (and he better get good at giving quickies so he's at least giving as much good back to boys as he's taking), that's just stringing him along. But if you're a guy who's out to himself about his sexuality, who has a good idea of what he wants, then honestly, whether or not your family knows, you'll be in a good position to date the boy you want to date, at least, for the initial period. Family will come around, or not, and that's their choice. Either way, the more guys who are open about wanting that, the better for them and of course for boys.

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 No.381875

>>381849

Oh okay than yes, I totally can see where you're coming from then. And yeah, in my ideal relationship I feel I'd be much better as a housewife or um… "Boywife" lol who took care of their provider husband.

And yes exactly. If you're in the closet, you have no right to complain if a femboy (or any gay guy for that matter) doesn't want to date you and you better be content with only having quickie sex-dates.

This is why I don't sugarcoat things and coddle femboy-attracted guys because that doesn't help them in the long run. They need to think about their situation now and plan for the future.

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 No.381880

>>381875

Personally I've found it's kinda fun to tease them about it. There's enough orientation play material out there to help them stay closeted if they want, but if you let them get too into that fantasy, they'll honestly start to believe it, and then they'll wonder why their relationships always fail, or why they never get to actualize their desires. I like orientation play, I just like it from the other angle (straight submissives, gay doms).

But, that's just a side project of sorts. You're right not to enable them. It's good for them to remind them from time to time what the closet costs.

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 No.382178

>>381880

Orientation play isn't really my thing because I really don't think you can turn a heterosexual guy gay or bi but rather, these guys are bisexual but just don't know it or had the chance to act on it because in society, heterosexuality is seen as the norm and most people are heterosexual so they don't even think about their male attraction till something or someone triggers it lol

And yeah, I just am frank with them because far too often I see older guys complaining about lack of interest from Femboys and you're just sat there like "Well, what did you expect?"

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 No.382188

File: 9ee13e27fcc7b7e⋯.jpg (24.3 KB,400x300,4:3,1349155768764.jpg)

>>382178

Oh, no, the goal isn't to 'turn' straight or bi guys gay. I know the audience here because they interact with me, it's mostly kinsey 5s or 6s who just like me when I'm really in a dominant place (it's such a great stress reliever), but I do get a distinct audience of mid-scale or low-scale sub guys who find the idea intriguing or who want to be enslaved. No *actually* straight guy is ever going to be looking at the material I put out because they're just interested in women.

It's rarer these days to find guys who haven't had exposure to *some* kind of material which would give them an indication which way they'd lean. I'm not putting down bicurious people, I'm just saying it's increasingly likely that people have been exposed to material which would make them question it. Twinks are very 'in' right now even with females, go figure. Plus, popular gay movies (Moonlight, Call Me By Your Name) and shows with gay scenes (Game of Thrones, shit like that) often depict the sex as being between attractive young guys, it's no secret.

It's interesting that you notice a lot of older guys into them, because I've been into femboys for ten years and I've never really noticed that. What I've noticed, instead, is that there's a huge proportion of submissive guys and very few dominants who are out with the backbone to do anything about it, that is, actually ask the guys they like whether or not they'd like to do things. That means it's open season for any dominant with the actual drive to take what they want, and this is really the crux of it, guys like me can maintain outright harems because other guys can't–or, more likely, don't–take what they desire. That's so dumb.

Seriously, I flatly don't have enough time in my day to keep track of all of this! Still, very, very few guys are also involved like this, there is hardly any competition and I just don't get it, because I know there SHOULD be competition, there SHOULD be plenty of dominants, I should be vying for attention with other guys. Even still, I can't tell you the last time I heard mention of it. I've tried to actively seek out dominant guys like me just to see if some kind of community would start, just because fuck dude, eventually I start to chafe! Of course, that was a nonstarter, I couldn't even find more than a few dozen, but hell, at least I tried.

My question is, what the fuck? I'm not ungrateful for this weird phenomenon but it's just weird and very eerie. I've started to think maybe I'm sincerely one of the only guys on Earth who's like this, and I'd be perfectly happy with that, but there is some part of me that would like to know why that is.

So many guys seem to want this, so why do none of them do it?

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 No.382191

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>>382190

I mean, I know they must exist because I'm here and I can't possibly be the only one, I'm not, but they're like unicorns. Only dominant femboys seem to be a rarer breed, I should know since I'm married to one (only subs to me, doms the other guys in our group). There are plenty of guys who *want* to get with cuteboys or traps, and I know of guys who sleep with post-transition transwomen, but all the guys like that stop at wanting to. Is society really that powerful at incentivizing the closet, and if so, what factors meant I was exempted? I don't know if I'll ever fully understand it, but I feel like if I did, I'd have a lot more insight into the roots of my behavior.

I maybe hear one or two examples every, what, year? of guys like me having actually done anything, and meeting femboys is just under–well, you can guess–on a list of my daily hobbies/activities. It seems like every time I hear about an ex or hell, even a one-night stand, they were dating or fucking someone who also turned out to be a fellow submissive or too submissive to be good at being a switch, or they were dating a femdom or something, and that in itself is quite rare if you're doing it without paying for it.

I'm sure this comes across as bragging but it's more bewilderment. I genuinely have to feel sorry for a lot of submissive guys because the loneliness there must get to be a lot, and let's be honest, unless they actively want it, no femboy should be expected to go it alone, that somehow strikes me as quite cruel. Crueler than being a lone dominant, I think, because in that case, it's self-imposed, but with femboys, they didn't do anything to earn that loneliness, and by default I always assume if it's good, they deserve it.

It's funny, hearing there's a guy like me with an internet harem, I'm not so much threatened, I just think, hey, if he can translate that into IRL stuff, that's a success. I count successes as being anything good happening to 'me and mine,' and he'd qualify as mine, so, hey, good luck to him.

It didn't occur to me earlier but I think I really must make life a lot harder for some people. It really is disproportionate. Maybe the reason I don't see more guys like that is because guys like me have been really quite greedy. Oh well, I'm one guy, I can't magically fix the social economics of the situation. Good luck to them, in the end. I can't, or don't want to, picture spending life alone. I don't think people should have to.

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 No.382236

File: 244666d5389dcf1⋯.jpg (16.98 KB,339x255,113:85,1526822463835.jpg)

>>381822

fucking marry me.

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 No.382244

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>>382236

I have sworn a sacred vow to my husband, but I've also made an infernal pact with the god of femboys that I would fulfill any request made of me by a good boy, in exchange for supernatural success with them. I think my husband will understand that I'm honor-bound to marry you, if you're good. My hands are tied, really. Were you thinking more of a spring/summer wedding or are we breaking tradition a bit and going with a fall/winter date?

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 No.382279

>>382188

Hmm interesting perspective. I suppose there is some truth to that but as for why more guys won't act on it. I think it's because they're afraid of being labeled anything less than heterosexual. I don't look too much into the dom/sub side of things because I'm not looking to be a slave to a guy not am I trying to be some subservient sub who takes all kinds of abuse. I'm definitely more submissive and would like a guy who's more of a leader but not someone who follows the BDSM side of things if that makes sense? Plus I would never ever be in a harem, I want monogamy in my relationship lol

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 No.382312

File: 343a939751bd08d⋯.jpg (75.91 KB,467x685,467:685,1349149685617.jpg)

>>382279

That sounds like a sweet goal to have in mind!

That's perfectly fair and fine, of course there's nothing wrong with wanting monogamy. Same goes for not wanting BDSM. I'm well aware that just because I'm a slaveowner with multiple subs doesn't mean that's a life that's for everyone or even very many people, I'm under no illusion that this is common or necessary. These aren't things which are vital to a healthy relationship (though of course they can be part of it). What's vital is that everyone involved is on the same page, and the people involved own it and mean it. There are certainly guys who would be open to more of an egalitarian relationship, or one where the dichotomy is far lighter than what I'm used to. I absolutely hope you find that someone, and I trust that you will, if you keep looking.

>as for why more guys won't act on it. I think it's because they're afraid of being labeled anything less than heterosexual.

Fittingly, that's some utter pussy shit. I have no sympathy for anyone like that. There's nothing admirable or worthy about being two-faced or cowardly. Perhaps I simply don't understand because I was in the closet for about five seconds before I decided it was ridiculous. I simply can't identify with that problem at all, so I don't feel empathy for them, I just find it pathetic or disgusting, depending on the circumstances.

But in the end, it does mean I have an easier time of things. If they won't own it, guys like me will. In that sense I suppose I ought to thank them.

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 No.382350

>>382312

Haha awesome and thank you :)

>Fittingly, that's some utter pussy shit. I have no sympathy for anyone like that. There's nothing admirable or worthy about being two-faced or cowardly. Perhaps I simply don't understand because I was in the closet for about five seconds before I decided it was ridiculous. I simply can't identify with that problem at all, so I don't feel empathy for them, I just find it pathetic or disgusting, depending on the circumstances.

But in the end, it does mean I have an easier time of things. If they won't own it, guys like me will. In that sense I suppose I ought to thank them.

I'm of the same opinion though as a femboy of course. I think that in 2018, unless you live in a homophobic country like the Middle East or live in like the Deep, backwater conservative parts of the US (in which case, try to move), there's absolutely no reason to be in the closet and it's foolish to expect a femboy to hold out for the day you may or may not come out. We don't have the time for that nonsense unless the femboy is that desperate.

That's why I don't feel much sympathy for the older men who lament when they can't find that young femboy to be theirs because it's their fault for waiting so long to pursue them because contrary to popular belief, we have preferences too.

So this is why I will always continue to urge guys to accept their reality while they're young so they don't later have these regrets of waiting so long.

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 No.382391

I don't really know what to expect. Any time I daydream about a happy relationship, it's always with a guy (twinkish, but not a trap or tranny or any of that gross shit). At the same time, I honestly may end up settling for a woman, even though I'm not sexually or romantically attracted to them and I think vaginas are gross. I'm starting to think all the memes about all gays being mentally ill are true, because it's so fucking hard to find a sane gay guy, and even harder to have anything resembling a stable relationship with one. Each time I think I've met someone good, I end up finding out it was all a lie. I've been cheated on in most of my relationships so far. Women are just more plentiful so it'd be easier to find one I can at least enjoy talking to, and I'd rather settle for someone I'm not really attracted to but have a mutual intimate connection with than to die alone, probably with AIDs I'd pick up from a cheating guy.

I also kind of want kids, but at the same time not really. I think it's more of an instinctive drive to reproduce than it is actually wanting to deal with kids, because I kind of hate kids.

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 No.382402

File: 7ef53177f4f3569⋯.jpg (325.14 KB,800x1200,2:3,Sex and the City.jpg)

>>382391

>Women are more plentiful and wouldn't cheat on me and would be good for conversation

What you're asking for is a friend you can use as an excuse not to be in a relationship (you don't need an excuse not to be in one), second, unless you find the world's most totally neutered asexual to be your friend–so basically a fag hag who also happens to be a cat lady–you'd be cheated on like crazy in this hypothetical scenario. I'm not sure you have a very realistic view of women. Have you seen how many incels swear off them and try to turn gay (always with hilariously shitty results) just because they think guys will 'get' them more and be better partners?

For what it's worth, I'm sorry your relationships haven't worked out, and I'm sorry you're having one of those "guys suck, lesbians have the right idea" moments that girls have like clockwork after any given messy breakup. But come on, you know fighting this is only going to make whatever neuroses you're dealing with (I mean if all gays are mentally ill, then we all have some) a whole lot worse. Far better to be bitter because you tried having relationships that didn't work out than to be bitter because you're such a loser you didn't even try. You're not even close to being as big a loser as plenty of other people, and you can take some pride in knowing that hey, you're out making the effort, so there's always a chance. The chance of some closeted douche sitting at home getting any attention is 0%.

You are following in a long and proud tradition of gay men bitching about gay men and dating and gay culture generally. Surely you can find another guy who's also into bitching about it, and then you're golden. Good luck!

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 No.382404

>>382402

>What you're asking for is a friend you can use as an excuse not to be in a relationship

Maybe, I don't know. I'm just lonely as shit and crave intimacy and someone to be close to.

>unless you find the world's most totally neutered asexual to be your friend

I'd be okay with boning a girl if she was tomboy-ish or something I guess. Just not really my first choice. I guess I'm bi even if I hate referring to myself as that since I only really want guys.

>Have you seen how many incels swear off them and try to turn gay (always with hilariously shitty results) just because they think guys will 'get' them more and be better partners?

Yeah, this is kind of the inverse of that which is what I'm worried about. But it does make more sense than the prison gay version. Trying to convert to gay is just fucking retarded because you're limiting yourself to an EXTREMELY small population of people compared to straight women. It's not about women being better partners at all, I never said that. It's just the fact that there's MORE of them and they're everywhere. You have SEVERAL times more opportunities to find someone you can get along with.

>Surely you can find another guy who's also into bitching about it, and then you're golden.

Yeah, I thought so as well. Thought I found that twice. Both times they turned out to be the same.

I've only gotten more and more bitter as time goes on. Maybe the bitterness will go away and I'll be able to try again eventually.

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 No.382429

File: 14df6aff03b3444⋯.gif (769.67 KB,251x223,251:223,01.gif)

>>382404

>I guess I'm bi even if I hate referring to myself as that since I only really want guys.

Nah, you're gay, not bi. We're both gay, we both know the deal. Sure, if Charlize Theron showed up at my house in full Furiosa getup, I'd eat her out from sheer respect, that doesn't mean I get hard over it. Take this as some relief, you're not bi and you're not confused, since you don't actually *want* to be with women at all, you don't fantasize about it, it doesn't excite you, not even in a humiliation sense. You're gay.

>Women are an option because there are more of them

You'd think, but not really. What you're really asking for is not to date from the pool of women, but the pool of asexual or mostly-asexual women (I mean there is just no way you're going to be able to put out as much as a straight guy, neither of us could even come close), which is absolutely dinky, especially if you're actively looking for them! You might think you have a numerical advantage, but that's simply not the case. Remember, too, that your pool of competition is simply so large. With other gay men, your only competition is, at absolute worst, half of other gay men. Of course it's always going to be far less than that, but that's assuming a simple 50% top 50% bottom distribution of 'types' of gay men. That's a fraction of a fraction of society, and in reality, it's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction, etc etc. You simply don't have much competition at all.

By contrast, if you were dating as a straight person, your competition pool would be, at best, ten times larger (I'm being ridiculously generous and placing gay people at 10% of the population, but we both know it's smaller than that), probably more. Yes, there's a larger pool of prospective partners, but they're going to be following a different set of rules than you're used to, and a far different set of social norms than you're used to, and you're not attracted to them, so you're at a profound disadvantage. Keep in mind that even guys who are extremely attracted to women have trouble with this. You might be able to leverage your homosexuality and adapt your non-attraction into being good friends with them, sure (and I think that might actually be a good idea just to get you out and socializing), but you will have to work far harder to make the sale, and for considerably less payoff.

If it was really true that dating women increased your odds of getting a partner you liked, only gay guys would ever be incels, but incels are pretty much always straight. There's a ridiculous degree of competition for women, and you're facing a huge uphill social battle, especially if you're open about wanting to date a woman whose body will be an active turnoff for you, and it will.

I know this is a bitter pill to swallow, but the bottom line is that it's not just gay guys. Everyone is terrible, more or less. Most of our ideals are just that, ideals. You don't have to settle for cheaters, and you shouldn't settle for someone who breaks such a basic bond of trust, but you will have to settle in some way, shape, or form.

You're already willing to settle for someone who is not in any way attractive to you, just to not die alone. How about this, try just making friends with someone, with zero intention of dating them. Work on your social skills a little bit. I know this isn't about fixing you or your problems and more about finding people you like, but take it from the guy whose sexual identity includes about two dozen people worldwide, you will feel less lonely if you have other stuff going and a social life outside of just romance or sex, and you'll be able to come back to this in time. The thirstier you are to be dating, the less likely it is that you'll be able to put substance over structure (that is, all the elements of being in a relationship with someone are there, before the expectation of being in a relationship), which is the only way I've ever seen to reliably predict which relationships will last. Hell, I was de facto dating my husband–talking every day, enjoying one another's company, flirting daily–for about three months before we ever made anything official. Give it time.

Let it happen as it happens. If you're feeling weird pressure over this, step back from the pressuring influences.

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 No.382499

>>382244

let us marry in the winter so that all 3 of us can snuggle for warmth and sip our favorite toasty brews *__*

I like sharing~

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 No.382516

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I'm currently dating a cuteboy and we're in a LDR. We plan to get married in a few years.

Are LDR worth it? We'll probably be able to live together soon.

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 No.382519

>>382516

The fact that you're asking if it's worth it is a pretty bad sign and you say you're planning marriage?? You don't seem so sure about this plan.

If they work out, then yes it's worth it. They usually don't though. It's very unlikely to even make it to the point of meeting irl, and even then the hardest obstacle is surviving after the irl visit and staying together. I've never made it past that point, but I'd say if you do get past it, you're home free.

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 No.382574

>>382516

Mine worked out, so yeah, it's possible. As the anon above me mentioned, now isn't really the time to ask that, though. I mean, you're in it. Is it working out for you? That's the only truly relevant question here. You'll be able to answer whether or not you work out when you live with him, it is a different deal and IME much better for your health, but you will have the advantage of appreciating what you have, when you have it.

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 No.382702

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>>382499

Truly a boy after my own Cascadian crypto-lumberjack heart. Snow and cute boys are my two favorite things, let me split your ass like I'm splitting firewood and I'll be yours forever.

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 No.383029

>>382429

>The thirstier you are to be dating, the less likely it is that you'll be able to put substance over structure (that is, all the elements of being in a relationship with someone are there, before the expectation of being in a relationship), which is the only way I've ever seen to reliably predict which relationships will last.

A lot of what you're saying is stuff I thought I had already figured out on my own. I thought I had finally figured life out and had done things right for once, but it ended up going the same route as always. I have a hard time letting myself believe things will ever not end badly. Every time I let myself become optimistic, I just get hurt without fail. Makes it really hard to lose the bitterness, and the more bitter I get, the harder it is to connect with people.

I've been trying to make friends, but honestly I have no idea how. I have no opportunities to meet people, much less people I get along with. I haven't made a friend in YEARS and all the ones I have now are from childhood. Everyone I meet becomes a superficial acquaintance at best, not actual friends.

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 No.383128

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>>382702

I am currently this horrible mixture of aroused and laughter

sign me up, please split the firewood gently..

I really don't like winter, especially alone c:

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 No.383286

Idk I've had sex not alot but more than sometimes but when I think about it I feel rather slutty.

I'm definitely considered a cuteboy only based on my previous social experiences. I'm too tall to be a trap but I am in good shape and have a large butt for a slender build (imagine 6'3 18% body fat). I haven't thought of dating a boy but I've seen some pics on here and so far I'd settle for something like that (5'2-5'4). But I'm like super bottom tho but thinking about two dudes dating seems more pure than anything else :) I guess I'd be considered bi curious atm until something changes.

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 No.412874

>>369064

>Because women don't have to give a shit. They can go their whole lives doing less then nothing and still have the world tell them how amazing they are. They also deal with problems differently than men; a man encountering a problem seeks a way to remove the problem while a woman tries to ignore it or minimize its impact. Since women are more emotional and reliant on social networks than men, the most logical way (as far as she is concerned) for a women to "solve" the problem of not being feminine enough is to convince others that it doesn't matter.

That's only in the West. Go to the Middle East, Africa, Latin America. The women there are worked like dogs while the men carouse about talking with their dicks and fists.

Another thing, the kind of woman you're describing is the stereotypical "white suburban girl", usually in their 20s and 30s. Maybe bc most women I know are older women, but not all women are dainty drama queens who need their hand held all the time.

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