No.11284
It seems like being the wife watching your husband fuck a handmaid right in front of you as you held their hands would be a good fit for a cuckquean.
If you subtract the dystopian elements and simply have handmaids be uncoerced parties it would seem like a beneficial arrangement.
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No.11290
Handmaid's Tale was posted in the Mainstream Cuckqueaning thread >>10107 but not really discussed. Maybe no one watched it.
I haven't watched this programme because I fear it is prime material for the producers to spout eye-rollingly condescending political messages. As an example, based on the synopsis I thought Vice Principals would be a big anti-white thing but it turned out to be very good (everyone is a scheming bastard regardless of race), so maybe this show is good too. That shows what "critics" write is often very inaccurate. Anyway, if someone has watched it please advise.
You could turn this thread into a general cuckquean ceremony / ritual discussion. As for the the holding down the arms thing, I like it. Symbolic stuff like that is great.
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No.11300
>>11284
I love how the handmaid's head rests in the lap of the wife. Making the handmaid become the wife's womb, symbolically.
>>11290
It is propaganda, but I think a lot of the viewers are aroused by the things they are 'supposed to' be horrified by. Much like that scene from American Horror Story posted in another thread. There's a famous quote about it being impossible to make a truly anti-war film. The idea being that just by showing violence, people are enticed by the spectacle of it. The same seems to be true of a lot of transgressive sexual material.
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No.11302
>>11300 (Nice Eggs)
That's a very good point, but does that effect ruin the whole show? In my mind it's Peggy from Mad Men after joining a strange cult.
I read the Oryx and Crake trilogy and it was pretty good. Lots of weird stuff and lots of action, nothing to do with this board though. Not The Handmaid's Tale yet. Is the story itself propaganda or is it just the adaption?
For it to be a dystopia / horror several story elements have to be forced
>she doesn't want a child
>the wife is jealous of or hates her
>she's treated badly and/or raped
>she has no involvement with her children
>lots of other muh patriarchy stuff
So the setup of the whole thing is incredibly contrived. Why would the rich and powerful men treat the remaining women who can be mothers badly? Why would their wives? What's the point? It's a bit like a zombie dystopia where for some reason every remaining person becomes a maniac bandit rather than just working together. It can be fun but it becomes shit when your suspension of disbelief ends.
I love the list of things women can't do in this dystopia. It's very similar to Saudi Arabia. But I guess "feminists" wouldn't want to point that out. Too busy pretending white people or Christians are bad for some reason.
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No.11306
>>11300
>The same seems to be true of a lot of transgressive sexual material.
There apparently used to be something like this with anti-catholic propaganda. People would give out pamphlets with stories about how nuns were degenerate sluts and convents were full of orgies.
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No.11311
>Why would the rich and powerful men treat the remaining women who can be mothers badly? Why would their wives? What's the point?
Have to keep in mind religious fanatics took over so asking the "point" can always defer there.
The handmaids are treated well if they are cooperative, but so many are not that their rights are stripped, which allows for natural human cruelty to be exhibited.
There are limits though. A man caught having inapropriate relations with a maid (without wife in room) will be punished. This happens in the first season, actually.
Not all wives are cruel.either. We just happen to see many who are. Their rights allow usual human cruelties to manifest.
These are all women who clawed their way up the pecking order to marry powerful men in a theocratic fascist nation. It selects against nice girls.
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No.11326
Her being so ugly doesn't help with my boner though.
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No.11327
>>11311 (Checked)
That makes more sense. It comes down to whether the characters act the way they do in a way that makes sense within the world or if it's all just to serve the author's whims. Like how in The Walking Dead everyone always trips over or does some other stupid thing without fail.
>which allows for natural human cruelty to be exhibited
Or the author's projection.
>>11326
She's just plain looking rather than ugly in my opinion. Her face looks a bit squashed vertically like someone did content-aware scale on it. With a bit of makeup and smiling she looks better. The actress is a scientologist. They went for her deliberately I assume because looking at the cast list they already have Yvonne Strahovski. If she's going to be holding down another women she can't be too sexy otherwise the usual suspects would complain.
However for me her being a bit plain or frumpy makes it potentially more interesting because of the contrast between the woman.
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No.11328
>>11327
It makes sense within the story that the handmaid would not need to be super sexy because in the ceremony she's just the wife's womb. The husband could be lovingly staring in his wife's eyes the whole time completely ignoring the fact that he's technically fucking another woman. And the wife would still feel every thrust since the handmaid's head is in her lap.
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No.11454
>>11327
I thought Yvonne as Serena Joy was more beautiful tha Elisabeth Moss as OfFred.
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No.11455
>>11454
It makes sense since she's the dominant one. In a sense you could say the wife is actually cucking the handmaid, since during the ceremony the handmaid's womb is regarded as being the wife's, and the wife and husband can basically look into each others eyes and totally ignore the handmaid. So although the handmaid is technically the one having sex, no one acknowledges that and the couple basically ignore her or treat her as nothing more than a body part of the wife.
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No.11457
>>11455
I really, really like this, even more than regular cuckqueaning. It's normally about the husband being sexually 'unfaithful' to his wife, but this is about him being emotionally 'unfaithful' to the quean instead. To me that's an even greater cucking.
The wife doesn't feel like a cuckquean at all because she doesn't feel any threat from the 'other woman'. She's happy for her husband to have sex, like a normal compersive cuckquean. She's knows she's the only wife of her man, no matter how much the real cuckquean might envy her. She has what the cuck wants; she's the vixen.
I'd have the husband have sex with the handmaid without the wife present. He'd be affectionate to her and look her in the eyes. Afterwards he'd go back to his wife and they would sit and talk, totally open about what just happened, while the handmaid would go back to her servant's duties, dreaming of being the one who gets to sit next to her man when he isn't just after sex.
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No.11458
>>11457
>I'd have the husband have sex with the handmaid without the wife present.
I like the idea of the handmaid's head being nestled between the legs of the wife. The husband and wife leaning in to kiss each other, and making pillow talk like they're the only ones in the room. The husband complimenting the wife on how tight "her" pussy is, or commenting on how "she's" dripping wet, to the handmaid's mortification. Maybe the wife would egg the husband on, saying things like "fuck me harder". The handmaid would have to hold off on climaxing until the wife told the husband that "she" was cumming. If the handmaid accidentally let the husband's name slip out in the throes of passion, she might get a light slap in the face by the wife to remind her that "wombs don't talk".
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No.11459
>>11458
My fantasy is less true to the story. I like imagining the handmaid has a small bed at floor level in a corner of the bedroom. The husband and wife sleep together with her having to just watch and getting sent away to her little bed after sex.
Outside of the bedroom I like the husband and wife to both be friendly to the handmaid but strict and not romantic. Doting at best.
I like your slap idea. She's got to know her place.
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No.11463
>>11458
I wonder if this show will inspire some women to put out ads offering to become handmaids for couples. Like a live-in surrogate mother (via 'natural insemination'), but with a submissive lifestyle component.
Facebook's algorithm is apparently determining which women might be into this sort of thing and advertising the show's wardrobe to them.
https://www.racked.com/2017/6/2/15687200/handmaids-tale-clothing-enemy-vaquera-protest
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No.11465
>>11454
Maybe I phrased it confusingly, but that's what I was saying. Elisabeth Moss was cast deliberately in contrast to Strahovski.
>>11455 (Checked)
Agreed. The vixen is in a very submissive and functional role. It's fascinating because the same sort of switch has occurred in many threads here.
>>11463
Your take on it is way more appealing than the article's.
It interesting insofar as comparing what it could be to what it is. Instead of writing anything fun she just regurgitates the same old faulty and far removed from reality talking points. It's like if even a hint of humour or their natural sexuality comes through they have to douse it in left wing propaganda until it's dead. It's such a defensive attitude.
Not to get too much into it but of you take a writer like that it's interesting to see the balance of content about motherhood versus abortion in their output.
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