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49acc7  No.852474

Please just read your Bible (preferably the KJV or get the Cepher (or Holy Scriptures, heard those were good). Religions were created with a goal of dividing God's people from truly connecting with him due to man made traditions. Please repent and the God's word run through you.

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4bcae3  No.852475

>>852474

Screw you and screw your book, kike. Jesus had to come because the Pharisees were using the OT to serve themselves instead of understanding the meaning behind it. Protestants do the same thing but with the NT too. The book itself is worthless and extremely vulnerable to the amphiboly fallacy which is why pilpul can even exist in the first place. It's the God you're supposed to worship not the book.

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5ce37c  No.852477

>>852475

Hello, friend.

I see you are curious about becoming a christian.

What would you like to know?

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a60157  No.852521

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We are ordered to follow religion by your KJV Bible.

James 1:26-27

>If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

>Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Do these "Christianity is not a religion" people actually know what the word "religion" means? It means worship and service to God. It comes from the Latin word "religio", meaning piety and worship. The fact is, the Bible commands us to be pious worshipers of the one true God. In other words, to be religious.

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000000  No.852524

The Lord became True Man and True God on Earth to create a new covenant, sacrifice himself for those who repent of sin, and establish his Church. To the leaders of this church, he gave the powers to forgive sin and to administer 6 of the 7 sacraments. No one who does not partake of the body and blood of Jesus Christ shall enter heaven.

If you reject the Church of the Lord, you reject the commands of the Lord. You don't receive the sacraments nor are you relieved of original sin.

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a11127  No.852527

>>852474

What about where the Bible talks about the church?

Hebrews 10:25

>Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

>>852524

Now this however is a cult.

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117668  No.852531

>>852527

I guess God founded a cult then.

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000000  No.852532

>>852527

So, the one Church founded by Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Our God, is dismissed as a "cult", but those churches founded by the head chopping wife murdering King Henry, or the guy who smuggled his girl out of the nunnery in a pickle barrel - those are true Churches.

Doesn't seem right, Protestant bro. If that's so, why did Jesus Christ come to earth when he could have just sent King Hank and Martin "Sin Boldly" Luther?

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6ce8af  No.852536

That cannot be. Man is a religious animal by nature (as he is a political animal), why would God go against the nature He created?

1. God created us as good entities.

2. Part of our nature is being religious.

3. Thus, being religious is good.

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a11127  No.852537

>>852531

Wrong and you know it anon.

>>852532

Nothing of anything you said in that post has to do with Scripture. There are no seven sacraments in Scripture, Christ did not "become" God but rather He always was. Yes, the patronage system you refer to is cultish. It does not follow the word of God. That much goes without saying for anyone who's read it. It actually supports a version of history that goes against it. And glorifies criminals and thugs, those who stand for the "might makes right" principle. Don't believe me just look at history, look at who they choose to side with. So that upgrades this to a swordpoint-conversion cult that has since gone lax and morbid, but still uses cultlike practices to retain people inside the clique. And more importantly, see how God never ordered his church to persecute and imprison others. In this case we can narrow the origins of this particular cult to the actions of Constantine in creating his own little pseudo-church in approximately 313 AD. Fortunately though, the gates of hell and death will not prevail over the church.

We learn simply from studying the precepts of God's inspired word. The same Holy Spirit-inspired Scripture which has been handed down to us from the originals.

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9869ac  No.852538

>>852537

Screw scripture and screw you.

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9869ac  No.852539

>>852536

At least there are three Christians in this thread now.

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4f1d69  No.852540

Christianity is a religion, and obeying the Bible means being religious, while not merely religious.

The "cepher" is a misguiding tool from what I'm reading

>>852538

>Screw scripture

the papist reveals his final form

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9869ac  No.852541

>>852540

I never hid it. You're just too stupid to see it's the truth.

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6ce8af  No.852542

>>852540

>falling for the false flag

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996578  No.852555

>>852474

>Religions were created with a goal of dividing God's people from truly connecting with him due to man made traditions.

religion means to (re)connect with god you stupid qboomer

that means everytime you read your "authorised" KJV, you partake in religion yourself. there is no escape from this reality.

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a11127  No.852560

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>>852555

Actually religion is a system composed of practical virtue, piety and belief in God. What OP probably meant here was what are nowadays commonly but irresponsibly legally referred to as "religious establishments" which actually detract from true religion. Sometimes people who are aware of what I point out will instead refer to it as "organized religion." But again, this falls short because true religion includes organization into a church body as seen >>852527 being as defined in Scripture, which is God's word (not anywhere else).

>that means everytime you read your "authorised" KJV, you partake in religion yourself.

There is not a problem with that as discussed above.

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a60157  No.852573

>>852537

>There are no seven sacraments in Scripture,

Matt. 28:18-19 (Baptism), Acts 8:14-17 (Confirmation), Matt. 26:26-28 (Eucharist), John 20:22-23 (Penance), Jam. 5:14 (Anointing), Acts 14:23 (Holy Orders), 1Cor 7:10-11(Matrimony)

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a11127  No.852575

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>>852573

Acts 8:

>14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

>15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

>16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

>17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 14:

>23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

Not seeing the word confirmation in Acts 8:14-17 or holy orders in Acts 14:23. (For the latter reference Acts 14:23, ordaining elders is also mentioned in Titus 1:5 for instance.) But what we see in these is a fulfillment of Mark 16:18- They shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Same with James 5:14.

The signs were according to Jesus Christ in Mark 16, supposed to follow the apostles as a sign of their ministry. Do you teach pentecostalism, or continuing sign gifts like tongues and serpent handling, or else do you hold that these signs are relegated to the apostles' earthly ministry specifically as is historically taught by the church?

Where does Scripture say "these are the seven sacraments" or even use that specific word "sacrament" with regards to any of these, or link these seven things specifically in any way? So you see that, in Scripture, there is no mention of seven specific things that are to be called that.

By the way, the church holds two ordinances, namely baptism and the Lord's supper. The rest of those Scripture references are indeed related to commandments, but not specific ordinances related to the church. For instance, marriage existed before the New Testament. Confessing sins to God has always existed.

These two rites are also known as the sacraments, as seen in this dictionary definition of the word. "Ordinances" would be the more specific New Testament term, if intending to link this back to Holy Scripture.

Now anyone could just as easily take the two ordinances and pick five other commands at random, like say feet washing, or alms, or fasting, or laying on of hands, and say they are "the seven sacraments" or the "ten sacraments," to gullible people, just as papists do, if I wanted. But I am being responsible with representing Scripture accurately and not misrepresenting it. So you see how teaching that idea comes not from scripture, i.e. the inspired word, but from a lesser source: a source of natural fallible men only.

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d0d21a  No.852608

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Question for /christian/s.

I no nothing about bible.

I started reading kjv 1611 and I started with new testament. I have finished Matthew and Mark, but now I feel like I should have started with OT. Should I stop reading and start with old testament? Also I understand the old testament is Gods laws and new testament has gospel of Jesus and some corrections in the law of God? Thanks in advance sorry if retarded or simple questions

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f1341d  No.852612

>>852608

>Should I stop reading and start with old testament?

Yes. You will miss out on the density of the Christian moral teachings by starting with the OT, but when you finish the OT and start the NT you will have a fruitful understanding of it. In this case investing more time gives you more. Don't listen to anybody that you need to read the NT only. But beware that there will be passages and books in the OT that will be a drag to read, but you have to force yourself and pull through.

Make sure you read the entire OT, so get a Catholic Bible at the least or an Orthodox at best. If you have the facsimile of the 1611 KJV then you already have the almost the entire Orthodox canon of the OT.

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4f1d69  No.852613

>>852608

No you should read the NT first

Its also less of a headache to read a translation with updated language

>>852612

The KJV includes the apocrypha but this is also bad advice

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a11127  No.852622

>>852608

>I started reading kjv 1611 and I started with new testament. I have finished Matthew and Mark, but now I feel like I should have started with OT.

Yes, it's good that you are reading the KJV if English is a good language for you.

Read either one, anon. Reading the Old Testament helps with the New Testament. Reading the New Testament helps with the Old. Reading any book helps with any other book. And the best part of all is that after you read one time, you will be much better for your second readthrough, third readthrough, and so on. If you are saved you get to keep on studying and learning from God until beyond the end of time. You will still learn new things on the billion and first read.

>Also I understand the old testament is Gods laws and new testament has gospel of Jesus and some corrections in the law of God?

Yes the Old Testament has the Law of God which was given by Moses.

It says about this law in Galatians 3:23-24

>23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

>24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

So we see how unable we are to keep the law without God. Only Christ was able to follow it perfectly, as it says in James 2:10, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." and that's one reason why He is the Savior.

The New Testament shows us how the Law is fulfilled by Christ and all men must come to God through the Lord Jesus, who is both Christ and Savior. I would not say that the law had to be "corrected" but rather that once we have a Savior we are able to rest in the Lord rather than keep the Sabbath, etc. A lot of this stuff was predicted in the Old Testament as well, which you will find if you read there.

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d0d21a  No.852630

>>852612

>>852613

>>852622

Thanks alot for the answers lads

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5361c0  No.856665

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