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cc50c5 No.852446
Is this true? Have masons, commies and other enemies of our LORD have infilitrated the church?
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000000 No.852453
Yes, and it's been going on for over 100 years. Pope Saint Pius X required all entering the clergy take an oath against Modernism.
The Modernist stopped taking this oath.
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d32889 No.852457
No. Anyone who says yes isn’t a Catholic. The gates of Hell shall never prevail against the church.
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000000 No.852458
>Our Blessed Virgin is not Catholic.
Yeah… Fatima, Akita, Our Lady of Good success.
I guess the N.O. excommunicated the Queen of Heaven.
That is not going to go down very well with Jesus and God the Father Almighty.
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000000 No.852459
The Catholic faith says that The Catholic Church is the only path to heaven.
Pope Francis says no.
Infiltrated.
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72c62c No.852460
>no infiltration here!
yeah, no.
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d58942 No.852461
I found this schizo blog on cuckchan that makes a relevant argument, to take with a grain of salt
http://freemasonrywatch.org/freemasonry_in_the_vatican.html
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d58942 No.852462
>>852457
To be a catholic is to believe in an institution implicitly regardless of evidence?
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d32889 No.852463
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000000 No.852464
>>852446
http://www.thirdsecretoffatima.org/images/img-imposter-sister-lucy-sister-lucia/Real-Sister-Lucia-Imposter-Sister-Lucy-Half-Smile.jpg
Apparently, both of these pictures are of the same woman - Sr. Lucia, one of the seers of Our Lady of Fatima. Do you believe this? If so, are you aware of the fact that face-blindness is a symptom of Autism?
>>852446
OP, just because there's been an infiltration, that doesn't mean the Church is completely untrustworthy like the Sedevacantists will tell you. As another poster said, Our Lady of Good Success predicted this invasion and she stated that this is temporary.
Also, I believe there was an ex-communist who stated this fact as well, that something like a million communists had infiltrated the Church. This was revealed in the 1940s or so. You would have to check out the first part of the "Our Lady's View of Our Times" series of talks on YouTube by Fr. Ripperger in order to find Fr. Ripperger talking about that fact. You'd have to ensure you're watching the series on the Sensus Fidelium YouTube Channel though. I found this other St. Michael Channel that putatively also had these talks and the guy didn't truly upload all 4 parts of the series of talks. He uploaded part 3 twice, masquerading the part 3 as part 1, completely skipping the true first part where Fr. Ripperger even goes into talking about what was revealed about Hillary Clinton in the WikiLeaks emails.
So yeah OP, rather than worry about the Church, you just focus on your prayer life and you'll be alright. That's the message of Fatima anyway: Repent.
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000000 No.852465
Apologies. The first part regarding Autism was meant to go to >>852457
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51478f No.852468
>>852462
They rarely pretend to be following the Bible, so it is not hard to see that this is another false church. It's easy to show Rome's actions have no relation to following Christ's commands. Just like mormonism and all the others, they are too busy caught up in all their unbiblical nonsense to keep up the masquerade of following Scripture for long. It is a very shallow claim for these cults to claim to be following Scripture. You go into their threads on here, they don't even pretend to be following God's word. It's just on and on with these crazy schizo visions that go directly against Christ in his word. Wouldn't pass up the witnessing opportunity though, because all men need to get right with God, repent and actually keep his word. Couldn't do that unless someone came to tell them about the truth of the inspired word of God.
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"
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5d2b12 No.852469
>>852468
The prophets had very similar "schizo" visions in the Bible, so if anything the Catholic Church is acting as if the reality the Bible describes is true and continues to be so, meaning God continues to provide prophets to guide His flock. And using jewish terminology like mental disorders to describe spiritual phenomena is never a very Christian thing to do. There's something wrong with people who default on the side of atheistic materialism instead of genuine skepticism.
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000000 No.852470
>>852461
Don't care. A number of Marian apperations and Pope Saint Pius X warned of the Freemason infiltration, and Francis makes Freemason hand signals and believes in Feemason satanic beliefs. Freemasonry is automatic ex-communication.
>>852462
No. The dogma of a church is that Francis could not be ordained because of his heretical beliefs and would be an automatic ex-communication for a number of his heresies, e.g. pagan idols, communist, freemason, etc.
>>852464
Pope John Paul II flat out committed a deception to lie about the 3rd and possibly 4th secret of Our Lady of Fatima.
>>852468
>They rarely pretend to be following the Bible
Coming from a Baptist, that's pretty ironic. Sorry. Jesus created the church based on Peter, the Apostles were the first bishops of the church, and Jesus was not sent to deliver a King James Bible. I just don't see any of that Baptist stuff.
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51478f No.852473
>>852469
>Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
– Colossians 2:8
>>852470
>Jesus created the church based on Peter, the Apostles were the first bishops of the church,
If that is a reference to Matthew 16:18, then you should be aware that the rock being spoken of is in fact Christ himself. It says so throughout scripture, and the context of the passage starting at verse 15 gives the same fact as well.
>and Jesus was not sent to deliver a King James Bible.
See the following.
>Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. – John 15:20
> For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, – John 17:8a
>Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. – Matthew 24:35
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887cac No.852480
>>852446
Yes it is true.
HOWEVER
If someone you love is ill, even mentally ill, you don't just leave them to die, you try to heal them. Same goes for the Church, it is still the one and only Church of God, even though it is very corrupted rn. True Catholics will try to restore its health.
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6798b6 No.852489
>>852473
>If that is a reference to Matthew 16:18, then you should be aware that the rock being spoken of is in fact Christ himself.
That is fig leaf . Sorry, that's just obviously false. The Lord is clearly talking to Saint Peter. This is why you need the church.
>>852480
Douay-Rheims Bible, Matt 18:9
And if thy eye scandalize thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee. It is better for thee having one eye to enter into life, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
If a Pope leads you to hell by dragging pagan idols before the alter of God, by supporting sodomy, by preaching heresy that Jesus was just a man while on earth, by advocating communism, by supporting the Satanic Globalist then you'd do well to pluck him out from the body of Christ.
This is also per the teachings of the Catholic church, he's done things that make him an ex-communicate. You can catechizes him and try and bring him back to the church, but the 4th commandment is that you must disobey if your parents tell you to sin.
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51478f No.852497
>>852489
>That is fig leaf . Sorry, that's just obviously false. The Lord is clearly talking to Saint Peter.
No, it's true. You are wrong here.
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51478f No.852498
>>852497
>>852489
The fact is your interpretation is wrong here and the whole foundation collapses because nothing Catholicism does is in line with Scripture. They try to misinterpret one line of scripture to give them a loophole to say we can ignore the rest. It's just like all other unbiblical churches like the JWs etc. You are in a cult my friend. Maybe it has worldly influence on par with Judaism perhaps, but that only speaks to the fact it is animated by a spirit of antichrist and satanic in origin. The broad way to destruction, in other words.
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51478f No.852501
>The Lord is clearly talking to Saint Peter.
Oh yes, I should add that doesn't prove your interpretation or point here at all. He is talking to Saint Peter about Christ. That's noncontroversial. So obviously, the fact he is talking to Peter does not invalidate anything that has been mentioned thus far.
If you reject God's word, then the only thing that remains is to be judged according to the same, for rejecting it. Because in effect the leaders of Catholicism reject God by rejecting his word.
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000000 No.852502
>>852497
Flat out denial of what is clearly written is not an argument.
>>852498
"Scripture", the Bible that was assembled by Catholic Bishops under the guidance of the Holy Ghost, says that
1) Jesus created a Church. If you think Christ acted in vain then maybe you ought to re-evaluate your beliefs.
2) He made 12 bishops - the Apostles.
3) Jesus Made Saint Peter, who was to become the Bishop of Rome, the foundation of his church
4) The Bible itself says it is incomplete.
5) Why would Jesus give his apostles the power to forgive sins, but Protestants believe they have the power to forgive themselves. Again, you believe that the Lord God acted in vain.
6) The Lord showed the Apostles how to consecrate the holy Eucharist at the last supper. He didn't give this power out to everyone, just his Bishops.
7) Christ told his Apostles to feed his sheep. Baptist believe the sheep feed themselves.
It gets me that so many protestants don't get it, their interpretations make no sense because they ignore the rest of the Bible.
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51478f No.852509
>>852502
>Flat out denial of what is clearly written is not an argument.
Like I said, he is talking to Saint Peter about Christ. I guess you are unable to deal with this >>852501 post. Just another cult is right.
>Jesus Made Saint Peter, who was to become the Bishop of Rome, the foundation of his church
You can't provide the quote for this, because it doesn't exist.
>4) The Bible itself says it is incomplete.
It is not possible to provide the quote from the Bible for this.
>but Protestants believe they have the power to forgive themselves.
Do you not believe in God? Do you not believe in his existence? Do you think only men exist? If so, why do you think the only possible answers here are men forgiving sins against God? Scripture says that God forgives sins against himself if so is His will. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." - 1 John 1:9. See that? It is not possible for a false cult to provide the truth for this and the rest of what you wrote is just a distraction. So, repent of Babylon and its cult and turn towards God.
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000000 No.852510
>>852509
>You can't provide the quote for this, because it doesn't exist.
Mathew 16:18.
>No! When Christ said "… and I say to thee…" he was talking to himself and not Peter, who He is talking to!.
There is no point in discussing this with you. You're lost.
Under your false interpretation there was no reason for the Apostles, no reason for giving them the power to forgive sins, no reason for washing their feet, no reason to send them out to the world to establish his churches. You ignore half the Bible and the whole message of "stop sinning" and pervert it.
>Do you not believe in God?
Now you're just failing about. That's just pathetic. If you believed in God, you wouldn't dare deny his word and his church because you just don't want to!
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51478f No.852517
>>852510
>No! When Christ said "… and I say to thee…" he was talking to himself and not Peter, who He is talking to!.
I see. So, you are a broken record because that is not what >>852501 says at all. I already said he is talking to Peter about Christ. Obviously not talking to himself.
That is okay anon. I forgive this. If this made it in any way easier for other readers to see the broken record accusations, all the better that this happened.
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000000 No.852584
>>852517
Baptist and their obviously false claims that their origin is with John the Baptist and not with the Catholic become Anglican become Baptist. I get that is your belief, but it's obviously false.
Then this whole "No!! Christ was talking about himself and gave the powers to forgive sin to the apostles in vain, taught them the sacrament of the Eucharist in vain etc" is also pathetic. The constant denials of the context in the rest of the Bible is just sad.
Can't help you bro. I know that hese are just false issues you dance around because of the love of sin. The true way is much harder than "one saved, always saved", no repentance, self confession and "sin boldly". Then there's the whole false pride in having a high position in a false religion.
You have to be humble and wish to give up sin. You won't even talk about the real reason why you make this perversion of the Bible.
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51478f No.852618
>>852584
>No!! Christ was talking about himself
In that sentence he is. When you see he says in context it all makes sense by itself.
Matthew 16:16-19
>16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
>17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
>18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
>19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
So you see that any time Jesus wants to talk about Peter, he uses the second-person pronoun, translated here as "thee" and "thou." Including where he says "thou art Peter" in verse 18. Yet in verse 18 he also refers to "this rock," which is a reference to an antecedent. There is an antecedent in this dialogue to which this refers to. If you cut off verse 16-17, it makes it looks like it must be Peter himself, although read carefully it is an akward and incorrect grammatical construction. This is because logically and in grammar you don't refer to someone in second-person and then introduce a third-person subject by a different name if that subject is the person just referred to. Your name is John and Johnny is a good guy.
So what is the antecedent? Just look at the passage starting from Peter's confession. He says, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Then Christ says in verse 17, "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." What is "it"? That which Peter just confessed.
In verse 18, Christ says "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." What does "this rock" refer to? That which Peter just confessed.
Christ, the Son of the living God.
It's simple if you include the full context and not one disembodied verse. You see anytime from verses 17-19 if Christ wants to refer to Peter, he says "thee" and "thou." But "this rock" is that which Peter confessed and which Jesus is responding to now.
1 Corinthians 10:4
>4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Ephesians 2:20
>20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." - 1 Cor. 3:11
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155001 No.852625
>>852457
Shall not prevail doesn't mean she shall never faces hard times.
You can apply this to every denomination of christianity actually, regardless of their truth.
She will prevail in the End, that's what it means.
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000000 No.852634
>>852457
Consider that Vatican II produced no new dogma, yet, people follow it and their heretical new mass rather than the unchanging dogma of the Church.
1) Mass MUST be said in Latin in the Roman rite. Those who say otherwise are an anathema
2) Only ordained priests and deacons may touch the Eucharist. Anyone who says otherwise is an anathema. No "Eucharistic ministers"
3) Only Baptized and Confirmed MEN may be ordained. No women. 4) No women, not even "readers". 1 Timothy 12
4) Mass is a sacrifice, not a group "meal".
Even Pope John Paul II had to concede that the Latin Mass cannot be prohibited (e.g. Padre Pio) and that he had to allow the formation of real (traditional) Catholic priests.
Is the Vatican infiltrated? Consider the Freemasons declared this their intent, Saint Pope Pius X warned of it, and today the Vatican supports Globalism, open borders, says the Catholic church is not THE one true Church but just one of them (heresy). These are Freemason beliefs forbidden to Catholics. Yes, the Church has been infiltrated.
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