fb689a No.851820
Tell me the reasons this man isn't a damned scoundrel and/or some miserable little beast sent by the devil to become a schismatic and a false prophet. This guy, if resurrected, would be THE Antichrist, crowned by Satan himself. Luther's teachings have caused men to use his fallen reasoning to interpret the Bible for themselves, effectively declaring themselves the entire Church, and causing a number of abominations in Protestant "churches". Simping for Israel (when he himself hated Jews with a burning passion), allowing homosexual marriage, and many other sins are the Protestant's daily portion because of Martin Luther.
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e9b20e No.851821
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0869c9 No.851822
>>851821
it's not bait, OP like most traditional Roman Catholics really believes that a man so smitten by his own sinfulness as to weary his confessors, who spent every day in constant attendance to the Revealed Word of God and the Church Fathers in their voluminous commentaries they made on that Scripture, couldn't have possibly seen a discrepancy between the 16th Century Roman practice of selling indulgences and the clear concise teaching of Christ on what He thought of money changers and thieves in the House of God
it's most likely OP also believes that the Roman Church is completely unchanged in it's Infallible edicts, holding to the exact teaching and traditions of St. Peter, just as much today as it did in the First Century - and the ex cathedra dogmas of the 16th Century have no notable difference to anything held by Pope Francis, Benedict or the late John Paul II
in all likelihood, OP also believes that only The Vicar of Christ in communion with the Magisterium can dogmatically define exactly what the Bible meant when it recorded The Lord chasing scammers and con-men out of the Temple, and the demand to completely submit one's understanding to that of The Bishop of Rome on this matter is in no way contradicted by the illicit behaviour of so many Popes who command his obedience
of course someone who read the Bible and held it to have anything of value and worth, would note The Lord Jesus Christ saying that a tree is known by the fruit it produces… but since a God-fearing Roman Catholic cannot afford to risk the fate of His eternal soul on anything other than what his Church has told him to believe, no matter the innumerable crimes it's popes, bishops and monastics have perpetrated through the centuries, he is unlikely to ever prayerfully open the Scripture which Christ demanded all His followers to know…
… and moreover, your trite accusation of bait is not helping matters, which i would remind you; are an issue of life and death – your every idle word being something you will account for before the Throne of God
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cc916a No.851826
>>851820
>>851822
Doesn't bother me or my spiritual walk one bit.
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f87df6 No.851832
I don't expect to change your mind because this is entirely a bad faith argument but here you go anyway
>schismatic
Luther like the other reformers did not want a break at all. It was the roman church which compromised on the gospel and persecuted him
>false prophet
He in no way comes close to the biblical definition of a false prophet. What are you referring to?
>Luther's teachings have caused men to use his fallen reasoning to interpret the Bible for themselves,
The Lord wants you to study the bible and understand it yourself. The roman catholic church today feels the same way.
What you meant to assert was that Luther opened some kind of floodgates for independent ahistorical Christian practice, which would be a totally baseless assertion if you've ever read a page of Luther
>causing a number of abominations in Protestant "churches". Simping for Israel
Israel didn't exist until the 20th century. The Catholic church simps just as hard as the average protestant church, so clearly this isn't a Luther problem.
>allowing homosexual marriage
Stupid guilt by association. Liberal Christianity is a rejection of protestantism and of Christianity as a whole. It is in spite of Luther, and Protestants are more anti gay than catholics.
If you could dispassionately look at the theology you would be able to see that the bible teaches and church history proves salvation by faith alone. This is the crux of the entire debate. Put everything else on hold until you reach a conclusion here.
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cc916a No.851834
>>851832
>He in no way comes close to the biblical definition of a false prophet. What are you referring to?
In their political struggles, it is enough to have a different political opinion, or simply not to be politically aligned to someone else no matter how wrong they are, in order to be called that. Even if the pope is wrong on something, not being politically aligned is supposedly enough cause to make these complaints. In fact, this becomes more important than any theological positions.
To reiterate, you can complain, that because not everyone in the world instantly agrees with you and your bizarre theories and interpretations, that is the cause for everything wrong in the world. Islam does it, so does catholicism. In their mind they imagine if only all the kuffar would say the shahada, or whatever the catholic equivalent is, then the world would become a utopia.
>It is in spite of Luther, and Protestants are more anti gay than catholics.
If they want a scapegoat, the pedobaptist sects have chosen from among themselves I suppose. All I know is my whole church holds the consistent Biblical position on this issue and so do I. All you need do is side with the Bible first, which is the inspired word of God, and find a doctrinally correct church of like believers that does the same. Each individual church answers to God alone and has Christ as their head. Our Lord God makes all things in his word possible to accomplish. Amen.
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f87df6 No.851835
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0869c9 No.851836
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f486b0 No.851837
>>851832
That graph showcases the eternal splintering and that is due to his doctrines. All it takes is someone saying 'I know better how to interpret this' and there we have a new denom. Since we are so prideful that happens often.
His doctrines are made to escape authority and so his fruit is eternal rebellion, eternal denoms. It didnt even take one generation, his own followers rebelled. We know them by their fruits.
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f87df6 No.851838
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f87df6 No.851839
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331220 No.851842
Schism in the church is a tragedy but Luther was not the first schismatic. In the early days of Christianity there were lots of people disagreeing with each other yet that wasn't enough to divide the church to the extent it is now; only extreme heresies like Arianism got the boot. What caused the East-West schism was not so much a difference of opinion as it was a secular political conflict between the Greeks and Latins. Furthermore Luther was a devout Catholic until he was excommunicated, if they just let him stay a monk we probably wouldn't have all these peepeepoopoo branches of Christianity that we have today.
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1f72a2 No.851845
>>851832
>>851834
Excellent posts gentlemen.
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96cc0a No.852285
>>851820
It's ironic that Catholics hate him, but the modern Catholic Church adopted most of his ideas
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f8da08 No.852288
>>852285
>It's ironic that Catholics hate him,
Real Catholics don't hate anybody. He did, however, lead millions of souls to hell, which is wickedness.
> but the modernist heretics in the Vatican adopted most of his ideas
I fixed that for you.
The Church is those who believe and accept the Church dogma, as defined in the Papal endorsed infallible encyclicals of the church.
The errors of Martin Luther were forever condemned by Pope Leo X in Exsurge Domine and Luther was excommunicated with all his followers in Decet Romanum Pontificem
As far as I know, Luther never confessed these sins and never accepted the Church thus died in mortal sin
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cc916a No.852302
>>852288
>as defined in the Papal endorsed infallible encyclicals of the church.
The stuff you're talking about is just a cult that came later. None of that has anything to do with the church.
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f8da08 No.852335
>>852302
I'm Catholic. That is the teachings of the Catholic Church.
I don't understand you prots at all; throw out the parts of the Bible you don't like and pretend that you're church dates back to Christ instead of the well known founding of your religion by some guy for nefarious reasons e.g. John Smyth who started out in life as Anglican, a church founded on the idea of divorce and looting the Church.
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