80399d No.851121
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ," the prophecy revealed to the Evangelist John by the risen Christ…
>*freeze frame*
>*record scratch*
Leviticus 19:31 – “Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits, do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.”
Leviticus 20:6 – “The person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.”
Deuteronomy 18:4 – “The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you to do so.”
==…oh boy… have we been duped or what.
How is this heresy part of the Bible in the first place???==
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b45a8d No.851123
How did you confused the Word of God, Jesus, with a medium or sorcerer.
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80399d No.851124
>>851123
>straight to ad-hominem
Make some effort, of winnie the pooh the right off
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227667 No.851127
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275d64 No.851129
Familiar spirits are spirits supposedly drawn out of the grave and a medium is one who intercedes to provide communication with the dead. This is not how John of Patmos received his revelation. Furthermore, the prophets who literally substantiate the coming Lord in prophecy, all received supernatural revelation. See? This is what happens when you become a disciple of Johnny Mac.
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26c75d No.851131
>>851121
Philippians 2:
>11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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cdbec3 No.851137
>>851121
Semitic hands typed this.
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80399d No.851142
>>851137
Well yes, indeed John was born in Jerusalem for what is known about him, so…
>>851129
>This is not how John of Patmos received his revelation.
Nevertheless the Book of Revelation is still just a heretic fortune-telling. Furthermore nobody knows who this John was, so how can there be any claim to how he received his revelation? Because HE wrote so? That's ridiculous.
It could be most likely is made up Pharisaic deception/subversion story to corrupt the New Testament.
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82b383 No.851143
I warned you faggots kikes would post stuff like this if you didn't promote John-onlyism to prevent the overton window from shifting the opposite direction. I was right again like always and as usual no one listened.
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48c4ef No.851148
>>851121
>*freeze frame*
>*record scratch*
OP is a faggot
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b45a8d No.851158
>>851124
Seriously, how do you confused Almighty God with a witch?
You didn't even make an argument; you threw out some scripture that says no witches, mediums or seers, and then claimed that Jesus, True God, is a mere servant of Satan.
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275d64 No.851160
>>851142
This is what happens when you call all the supernatural works of God 'strange fire'
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26c75d No.851170
>>851158
The same Lord inspired both so… where's the contradiction? Jesus Christ is Lord. This is stated throughout the New Testament, not only in Revelation. The scripture I quoted is a reference to God speaking in the Old Testament in Isaiah 45:22-23. Where do you think Leviticus and Deuteronomy came from? The same Lord. So it is self contradictory to quote one of these against Revelation because it came from the same source. He quoted Leviticus and Deuteronomy in his post. If you object to Revelation why do you accept those other books?
How does he and other people like him not understand this? Are they too slow to even check the Scripture for themselves? Are they slow?
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492975 No.851181
>>851143
Oh shut up, you winnie the pooh heretic.
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05ca6d No.851182
>>851158
Just answer me then, who was John? Who was the author of Revelation?
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5bb38a No.851198
>divine inspiration = sorcery
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b45a8d No.851208
>>851124
>you didn't spend a lot of time refuting my silly post!
I put in more thought refuting your comparison of the Lord God Almighty to a witch as you did in making the silly comparison.
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b45a8d No.851210
>>851182
>moves goal post to defend low quality bait thread.
That has nothing to do with the bait you threw out in comparing God to a witch, but here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation
Thursday is an abstinence day, and I'll save your red herring for a sandwich on Christmas Eve.
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72d73e No.851245
>>851143
could you PLEASE remove the flag, heretic? WHITE BLACK WHATEVER RACE supremacists, FASCSTS and SOCIALISTS will be crushed under true faith, and NOT through you. You are PERVERTING His faith. You are a SCANDAL to the Church, to the world, BUT MOST OF ALL…to CHRIST.
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c82bbd No.851260
>>851210
Oh wow, a Wikipedia page… have you read it? Because it also doesn't clearly state who wrote this book.
Since nobody know's who this John is, how can anybody claim it was "divine inspiration", "Almighty God", "the same source"… like wtf? Do you even have a brain???
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b45a8d No.851406
>>851143
>John-onlyism
wut du mean by dat?
>>851245
There are two Papal Encyclical against racism; Mit Brennender Sorge and Summi Pontificatus; and one against associating with jews, heretics and Moslems and allowing them positions of power; Council of Basel.
There are several against any kind of Marxism, but nothing against National Socialism, monarchies, etc. "Americanism" is against the faith, tho.
Nazism was invented by a Jew name Conrad Heiden. It's racism against goyim, really, and not an honest or truthful description of National Socialism.
As a rule, the Catholic Dogma is that the church isn't against any form of government that admits the church and the right of the people to own property. Kings, dictators, democracies, republics are all good in and of themselves.
>literal ad hom.
fallacies are not an argument.
The book of Revelation is divine inspiration because a council of Bishops, under the gift of the holy spirit said so.
Which is irrelevant to the original point that you're now running away from, which is why did you tell the damnable lie that compares the Lord Jesus Christ to a witch?
Pretty clear now that you're not just making a silly, unintentional mistake and are into full blow blasphemy.
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72d73e No.851458
>>851406
National Socialism is okay
>Nation Socialism is MODERNIST. GET OUT.
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72d73e No.851461
Conrad Heiden was the founder of Social Democrats, NOT Nazis.
I DID NOT EVEN say that Jesus was a witch? What are you even talking about?
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b45a8d No.851464
>>851461
True, but irrelevant as I said "invented" not "founded". The Nazi meme is a lie to slander national socialism.
>I DID NOT EVEN say that Jesus was a witch?
My bad, confused you with Op.
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b45a8d No.851466
>>851458
How is it modernist? The National Socialist even bused people to church, both Lutheran and Catholic.
The German National Socialist did have a problem with the Liberation Theology heretics in the Catholic Church however. These "Catholics" supported Marxism.
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72d73e No.851472
>>851466
>>Lutheran and Catholic
>>Bussing Lutherans
There is ONLY 1 Church that should have people being bussed to…and it is not the Lutheran "Church"
Only 1 Church should be supported
Only 1 Church should be preferred and aided
Also, Explain to me WHY the German Reich created Positive "Christianity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
Do you deny that the Nazis persecuted the Church, particularly in Poland
Mil Brennender Sorge CONDEMNS NAZISM! You keep lying man, sinful
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72d73e No.851473
>>851466
DO NOT DARE say that the Church was okay with Nazism. It. was. NOT!.
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b45a8d No.851474
>>851473
Nazism never existed. I keep saying it was propaganda from a jewish Zionist named Conrad Heyden, and you should be ashamed to make replies that claim I said otherwise.
Mit Brennender Sorge was about people putting race or nationality before God and that is an obvious sin against the 1st commandment.
11. None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are "as a drop of a bucket" (Isaiah xI, 15).
The Church did not denounce National Socialism as a governmental form, but rather excesses of a few within the German National Socialist government. . The only forms of government that the Church disallows are those that are against the Church and God i.e. Marxism.
>>851472
I'm all well and good with a Catholic monarch. Fact is, however, right now I can't go to Mass because of a Marxist governor but under Hitler's dictatorship, churches remained open.
Saying that you want the Lutheran Churches closed is all well and good, and you're right, the Church teaches intolerance to false ideas. However, the Lutherans exist here as well, so you're just throwing out red herrings to feed your rage, which is very unchristian and uncharitable.
I've never heard of Positive Christianity.
Here is an English translation of Mit Brennender Sorge.
The talking points are not about government, but about agreements the Vatican made with the German government that they didn't feel were kept (because of false Catholics pushing liberation theology, which is heresy) and the mentioned few in the Reich who exalted race. The form of government, as in One people who rule themselves without foreign rule e.g. British and Jews, was not even brought up as bad.
So, the Positive Christianity thing was founded by Alfred Rosenberg ?? Rosenberg… He's the same guy who took the jewish idea of God's Chosen People to rule the earth and turned it into Master Race. Did you know Rosenberg is a common jewish name, and that Rosenberg was not the definitive definer of National Socialism and Hitler never said "master race"?
I mean, if I bought into Heyden's "nazi" meme I'd agree with you, but it's just not true history.
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72d73e No.851475
>>851466
Did the Nazis NOT send whole troupes of priests to Dachau to be exterminated? Did they NOT kill Saint Kolbe, or Edith stein the Catholic saint? Did they NOT hatch a plan to KILL the Pope? Did they NOT try to censor and arrest those who printed Mil Brennender Sorge? Did they not support heretical "positive Christianity? YES…or NO?
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b45a8d No.851478
>>851475
>Did the Nazis NOT send whole troupes of priests to Dachau to be exterminated?
My own Priests admits that many of them were criminals and communist.
And I don't know what you're reading and taking as fact.
I'm a bit taken aback by your railing and condemning other people, Anon. It's not christian and saint Paul says don't do this.
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72d73e No.851483
>>851474
>>Nazism never existed
I had family who were there when Dachau was liberated! This is some weak mental gymnastics. My brother plays trumpets for the veterans funderals, They can easily verify that Nazism has existed, that it was NOT conjured by a Jew. WE CATHOLICS WERE THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED YOU TWIT. MANY CATHOLICS WERE EXTERMINATED. This is one of the STUPIDEST things I have EVER heard in my life, and I have heard so many stupid things
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b45a8d No.851484
>>851483
I'm getting a little sick of your hate, lies, name calling and diversions, Brother.
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72d73e No.851508
>>851484
Me hate? No….I hate lies….and everything YOU said has been a lie. The Church condemns fascism. Nazis, communists, liberals…have no place in a Catholic country. Salazar knew that very well. Nazism is a reactionary movement and thus looked down upon. Nazism is also a type of socialism…which is heresy. To say that Nazism never existed is a sign of pure ignorance. You cannot be a good Nazi and a good Catholic. It is foolish to think otherwise.
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b45a8d No.851512
>>851508
Divini Redemptoris denounced all forms of Marxism.
National socialism is not Marxist, as it allows ownership of the means of distribution and production of goods.
Please cite this papal encylical that you accuse me (falsely) of heresy for saying that the Church does not denounce National Socialism, the idea that a people should rule themselves and should stay separate from Jews, heretics and pagans per the Council of Basel.
Put it up, or admit you were wrong to call me a liar.
I explained it; the nazi meme is not National Socialism. it is not about hate of other races, it is not about a master race (that's all from the Jews), it is not about conquering the world… that's all fiction and was never party of the Third Reich.
And the magisterium is infallible on faith and morals, not science and history.
Why do you sprew hate and pretend not to understand what I said? Do you understand when I say that the Jews created the fiction of "Nazis" being racist, supremacist, world conquering who want to irradiate other peoples? Please repeat that back to me without your making a straw man out of what I say and twisting my words like a demon
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72d73e No.851513
>>851512
Mil brennender sorge
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72d73e No.851514
>>851512
In 1931, the leaders of the Nazi regime were all excommunicated. You tell me if Nazism is compatible with the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church.
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b45a8d No.851517
>>851513
This denounces the worship of race. I already explained that was not part of national socialism and the only "Nazi" who advocated that was Heyden and Rosenbaum.
But that doesn't matter.
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11brenn.htm
Here's the link. Show me where it says that national socialism as a government form is forbidden.
The Germans are acccused of not honoring a treaty, of persecuting the Church (The Germans didn't like the Catholic Marxist), of calling for people to leave the church etc. But the form of government? It says exalting one form of government above God is wrong.
Mit is not like Quod Apostolici Muneris which condemns Marxism e.g. no God the state owns the means of production.
>>851514
'non sequtur
If Biden is excommunicated does that forbid constitutional republics? Does not follow
No source!
I can't find a source for the claim that the "nazi" leadership was excommunicated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_excommunicated_by_the_Catholic_Church
It didn't make the list. In the talk of that page it mentions there is no source for the claim that the Bishops of Germany (many who were Marxist) excommunicated the German leadership. And as many German Bishops were, at the time, Liberation Theologist I'd like to see the who's and why's in this decree of excommunication.
Reminder that there is no one excommunicated in Mit.
Diuturnum, Pope Leo XIII, is pretty clear that republics and monarchs are all approved forms of government as long as they are just for their people.
7. There is no question here respecting forms of government, for there is no reason why the Church should not approve of the chief power being held by one man or by more, provided only it be just, and that it tend to the common advantage. Wherefore, so long as justice be respected, the people are not hindered from choosing for themselves that form of government which suits best either their own disposition, or the institutions and customs of their ancestors.
Also, there it is Church teaching that the people should be separated from the jews and Heretics. Following Papal decrees to relocate folks who are to be separated is not, in and of itself condemnable as long as it is done in a humane way although it offends the sensibilities of our satanic modernist world (corrupted by the very peoples we're told to separate from!). Yes, the IRC points out that 271,000 people died in the camps, most from Typhus and starvation caused by allied bombing of civilian targets.
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b45a8d No.851518
>>851514
>Nazism
I keep telling you that Heyden wrote fiction. He was a communist who wrote propaganda against anti-communist. You never see that.
I'm sorry, but
1) You're not arguing rationally.
2) You're cognitive bias, the inability to take in contrary facts, is obvious now.
3) I'm tired of you calling me names like twit, heretic (name the dogma I deny! I argue history and not dogma.), stupid etc. Such subjects are an occasion of sin for you and it's pretty obviously a proximate occasion of sin. So, begone!
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72d73e No.851521
>>851517
\>>851517
The concept of a “Herrenrasse” and how Jews are inherently evil or subversive is pretty universally incompatible with Catholicism. It’s pseudoscience. Just like Deutsche-Physik.
>>851518
The school of thought National Socialism comes from is a reaction to the enlightenment, and disagrees with traditional Catholic philosophy, which predates the enlightenment.
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72d73e No.851522
Do you believe in the holocaust?
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72d73e No.851523
>>851518
>>Mit Brennender Sorge was about people putting race or nationality before God and that is an obvious sin against the 1st commandment.
That's literally what 90% of Nazism is. An extra helping of racism – particularly targeting Jews, Roma, and Slavs – is largely what distinguishes Nazism from other iterations of fascism.
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72d73e No.851524
>>851523
Who else is targeted by the words: "Take care, Venerable Brethren, that above all, faith in God, the first and irreplaceable foundation of all religion, be preserved in Germany pure and unstained. The believer in God is not he who utters the name in his speech, but he for whom this sacred word stands for a true and worthy concept of the Divinity. Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who 'Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly' (Wisdom viii. 1). Neither is he a believer in God."
What do you define as Nazism, if not something that "exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God"? What could else be implicated?
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72d73e No.851525
The encyclical gives a different impression. What do you define as Nazism, if not something that "exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God"? What could else be implicated?
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