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84cf11  No.849489

Behold, the New Adam and the New Eve.

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81a9a7  No.849492

One of these titles is found in the bible and the other one is not. Can anyone guess which is which?

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70139c  No.849494

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>>849492

>Sola Scriptura

Lol! OK, Prot!

>Actually an over literal interpretation of that doctrine too which a lot of mainline Prots like Lutherans wouldn't even agree with

Lol! OK, Funde!

>In accordance with this design, Mary the Virgin is found obedient, saying, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to your word. Luke 1:38 But Eve was disobedient; for she did not obey when as yet she was a virgin. And even as she, having indeed a husband, Adam, but being nevertheless as yet a virgin (for in Paradise they were both naked, and were not ashamed, Genesis 2:25 inasmuch as they, having been created a short time previously, had no understanding of the procreation of children: for it was necessary that they should first come to adult age, and then multiply from that time onward), having become disobedient, was made the cause of death, both to herself and to the entire human race; so also did Mary, having a man betrothed [to her], and being nevertheless a virgin, by yielding obedience, become the cause of salvation, both to herself and the whole human race. And on this account does the law term a woman betrothed to a man, the wife of him who had betrothed her, although she was as yet a virgin; thus indicating the back-reference from Mary to Eve, because what is joined together could not otherwise be put asunder than by inversion of the process by which these bonds of union had arisen; so that the former ties be cancelled by the latter, that the latter may set the former again at liberty. And it has, in fact, happened that the first compact looses from the second tie, but that the second tie takes the position of the first which has been cancelled. For this reason did the Lord declare that the first should in truth be last, and the last first. Matthew 19:30, Matthew 20:16 And the prophet, too, indicates the same, saying, instead of fathers, children have been born unto you. For the Lord, having been born the First-begotten of the dead, Revelation 1:5 and receiving into His bosom the ancient fathers, has regenerated them into the life of God, He having been made Himself the beginning of those that live, as Adam became the beginning of those who die. 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 Wherefore also Luke, commencing the genealogy with the Lord, carried it back to Adam, indicating that it was He who regenerated them into the Gospel of life, and not they Him. And thus also it was that the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. For what the virgin Eve had bound fast through unbelief, this did the virgin Mary set free through faith.

>St. Irenaeus of Lyons (Against Heresies [3:22:4], A.D. 180)

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81a9a7  No.849496

>>849494

A typological relationship between Mary and Eve is not the same thing as declaring Mary as the new Eve when scripture doesn't do this

I don't think its such an unreasonable title anyway, but you're clearly here just to be argumentative

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43fc5d  No.849497

>>849496

It does when it says, that future generations will call her blessed, that and the fact that Gabriel bowed to her is significant, because for angel to bow to her can mean only one thing…..that she is ABOVE the angels…because in the OT EVERYONE bowed to angels, BECAUSE the angels were above them in rank and purity. So for a human to be given THAT kid of honor, is unheard of until Mary.

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84cf11  No.849498

>>849496

Yes it literally does, that's the entire point of typology. It wouldn't be typology if Mary wasn't the new Eve. It wouldn't be typology if if Christ wasn't the New Adam.

>when scripture doesn't do this

Irenaeus shows that it does. But you already a priori rejected it just because you Fundes are so salty towards Catholics. It's like even when something is reasonably demonstrated through scripture you immediately resort to an over literal interpretation of the heretical Sola Scriptura doctrine and sound like Muslims when they say something stupid like "Where does Jesus said 'I am God worship me.'" Oh but when it comes to the Trinity you throw that logic out the window. Even other Protestants are laughing at you.

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81a9a7  No.849499

>>849497

This isn't related to the term "new eve" but where does Gabriel bow to Mary?

As an aside, we're all lower than the angels for now but in he future we will judge the angels

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31330b  No.849513

>>849497

Jesus washed mere humans' feet, you nugget. Mary is Queen of the Angels but someone shouldn't assume they have authority over an angel if one bows to them. That's an Islamic heresy. It demonstrates a willingness to serve not a submissive stance in terms of authority.

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31330b  No.849514

>>849499

>but in he future we will judge the angels

That's not necessarily true for everyone, and becomes less true with every generation due to genetic entropy.

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d0148e  No.849539

>>849489

So you think a painting is the new Adam? That is what apparently you want people to think by this statement. I have something which predates all of those paintings:

"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." - 1 Cor. xv. 45

So we see that Christ, and not a static painting, is the so-called "last Adam." Sorry to spoil your thread here, OP.

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43fc5d  No.849549

>>849539

>>So you think a painting is the New Adam>>

Not Jesus and His mother who are being depicted

Baptist logic 101

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