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Why does your faith depend so much on what the Catholics do?

>>849223

That doesn't even make sense

I'm just asking a question because I'm interested in the topic

>>849232

At least you took down your Southern Baptist Flag because I asked you why you cared.

if you're a faithful Southern Baptist, you wouldn't care. Or is it a matter of religion for Southern Baptist to troll Catholics? Seems that way. Most of those making hate catholic threads seem to be Baptists of some variety. Maybe it's just because of the small 47 IP addresses that post here, some have issues.

>>849239

It seems like you have a problem of trying to turn everything into an argument

When I post from kuroba there's not a flag. I can't make new threads from kuroba.

Do you have any insight into the topic of catholic missions or are you just fishing for some gotcha

>>849239

Can you stop being such a retard?

>>849249

Agree. Baptists are a pitiful bunch. Their are countless baptists who would rather their kids be atheist than Catholic. It isa pathetic faith, really. If Protestantism were true, there would be ONLY1 denomination, not 2, not 10 not 30,000+

It is a false religion and the fact people believe it shocks me

>>849249

>>849438

Obsessed

>>849440

Seethe more : P

>>849441

Not a talking point at all. It is a basic fact. If the bible were easy to understand, there would be a common understanding of what the bible teaches. Protestants have in a way, made themselves God, by interpreting scripture, according to THEIR ideas. NOT that of God. Thus, they defy God. : P

That they all may be one is not a call for organizational unity.

That has got to be one of the stupidest statements ever made. OF COURSE HE MEANT UNITY IN ONE!!! You have only proven my point further.

>>849443

Not an argument

>>849441

Got two things to say here, first off my church is not based on Protestantism or Catholicism. Those are extrabiblical ideologies, they developed later over time. They attempt to add extra terms over and above what Scripture already teaches. My belief and that of those who I am in communion with is founded purely on the revealed, inspired word of God, just as the primitive early Christian church.

So all of those extrabiblical things you mention are just extra stuff, not definitional of anything that is not already firmly taught in Scripture, and certainly it is not free, as the Holy Bible is, from potential corruption or misinterpretation over time.

Second point is that because of point 1, catholicism is not a succession from Christianity as contained and spoken of in the Bible. In the early 4th century, when the Roman Empire unleashed its final persecutions, many of the people who turned over the churches' scripture to be burned and enforced the edicts of the pagan emperors were promoted to high positions in the Constantinian catholicism system. These people were excommunicated by the true churches that remained and the descendants of these true churches that endured under the persecutions and never became part of the state system or added manmade doctrines are the baptist churches of today. They never added things that are not contained in the Bible like infant baptism, transubstantiation and the like. Now if anyone wants to join the church, there is a clear path to this and to join communion in an authentic Christian church, but before that one has to make the most important decision of their life and be saved and born again according to the Scripture, which we have always had.

>>849446

"Adult Baptism" is papist doctrine evolved from confirmation. Peter baptised all in Acts 2:38-39, not those who the Pope decided.

>>849449

Now that's a hot take

>>849232

>I'm just asking a loaded question because I'm trolling Catholics.

The way you framed the question Catholics are imperialist or part of the New World Order.

Then you feign ignorance. This is how the devil argues; in totally bad faith and pretending to be the victim when caught in his deception.

>>849438

I'm just wondering why this Baptist guy seems to think that Christian is only about trolling Catholics and lying about them. It gets old.

Seems like if he had the true faith, he'd be expounding upon it rather than trying to tear other religions down.

>If Protestantism were true, there would be ONLY1 denomination, not 2, not 10 not 30,000+

I guess they can claim that one of the Protestant religions is true, but for that to be that Protestant religion would have to be very similar to the Catholic faith as it was when they split, and they have to explain why they were founded for the desire to sin e.g. Anglican Church founded for divorce and to loot the Catholic churches.

>>849449

Look, you can believe fake history. You can believe that Joe Biden won the 2020 Presidential election. You have that freedom to do so. I'm not concerned with that. I am talking about verifiable history, actually going back and investigating impartial accounts and unbiased documents.

>Peter baptised all in Acts 2:38-39

…what? I thought I was getting a serious reply here. See the quotation below:

Acts ii. 41

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:

>>849455

Do you not think the Jesuits are NWO?

>>849455

Do you not think the Jesuits are NWO?

>>849463

>>849462

I don't know anything about the Jesuits. If you accuse someone, you have to have proof, and that doesn't include the broad brush fallacy of "this X was bad, so all X are bad."

>>849561

Ah, I see. Good old trusty "naxalt", dusted off and ready just when needed.

Where there is smoke, there is fire, anon.

I also don't see anyone on the inside denouncing these behaviors. That is because they approve of them and try to downplay the consequences. As the Apostle Paul said, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" (2 Cor. 6:14-16) And again, "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." (1 Timothy 6:3-5)

The fact that anyone would choose to associate spiritually with such activity in the first place is extremely troubling, considering what the Apostles teach about separation. In other words, they - regardless of what you call them - are just another part of the world system and exist outside of the pure and separated New Testament church. One cannot share communion with the wicked of the world and the church of baptized believers, Christians, at the same time.

>>849577

>Ah, I see. Good old trusty "naxalt", dusted off and ready just when needed.

I made no such argument. I said post proof that the Jesuits are "NWO" and don't use the infamous broad brush fallacy; e.g. Francis is a Jesuit and is NWO because of objective facts A, B & C therefore all Jesuits are NWO is a logical fallacy.

>I also don't see anyone on the inside denouncing these behaviors.

Even if you named the "behaviors" that you expect anyone on the "inside" to be denouncing. This is a bad argument.

If you want to show that the Jesuits as an organization are NWO you have to:

1) Show what the doctrines of the Jesuits are.

2) Show what the objectives of the NWO are.

3) Show that the Jesuit doctines and the NWO objectives have many things in common.

4) Show that the Jesuits attend NWO events e.g. Bilderburg or Trilateral Commission

I seriously don't get the protestant argument of throwing up a wall of irrelevant bible quotes and then saying that their objective facts, which aren't even mentioned, are thus proven to exist.

>>849588

>bandwagon fallacy.

okay.

>. As an outside observer whenever theres gay Catholic advocacy its jesuits. There are historic, sometimes conspiratorial claims about the Jesuits similar to Freemasons.

Show data.

>Give me the benefit of the doubt

You didn't give the church the benefit of a doubt; the three alternatives in the Op were imperialism, or NWO.

>>849593

No offence but are you very skilled in English? You're repeatedly misunderstanding what's being said

Pretty sure you are not skilled in logic and reason.

>>849590

Kewl. Lincoln had not objective facts either.

Lincoln started the "Civil War", which was over tariffs and not slavery, by sending more troops to South Carolina. Either South Carolina was a state, and thus sending troops without permission of the state legislature was a violation of the constitution, or Lincoln sent troops (to Fort Sumter) to a foreign country without a declaration of war by congress. Either way, Lincoln violate the constitution.

But he blame the Jesuits! So there's that. Not an objective fact. An objective fact would look like what I specified in >>849582

Now, I'm not saying the Jesuits are innocent, I'm saying you have yet to show them to be supporting the NWO.

>>849589

Okay, depose heretics; that's good and is anti-NWO.

>>849595

I know, it is obnoxious how these people argue just by playing oblivious to what is said unless they think that it benefits them. Not holding an honest conversation to save their life.

>>849599

Why on earth do you think your prattle and hate rants are something to be regarded as a logical argument?

I'm saying make your case against the Jesuits or shut the winnie the pooh up with your slander! Just the fact you can't state a reason is proof of your mortal sin! I'm not saying the Jesuits are innocent, I'm saying you're guilty of the sin of false witness if you can't make a valid case against them!

>>849598

Are you blaming Lincoln for starting the Civil war right now?

>Okay, depose heretics

It says kill kings. Jesus Christ told us in his word that we are to pray for those in authority over us and that his kingdom is not of this world.

Romans 12:19 says,

>Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

>>849601

And notice how NWO is all about killing sovereign leaders and representatives, and anyone who stands in their way regardless of honor or station, and making everyone subservient through force to foreign powers. That is not what the church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ started, it was created by false, unbelievers. These unbelievers who we are talking about do not believe the New Testament and word of our Lord and Savior. That is why they are so violent and vengeful when God said vengeance is His and we should respect that.

>>849601

>Are you blaming Lincoln for starting the Civil war right now?

I explained how the war started, and gave the alternative to the war. Your incredulity argument is a logical fallacy.

Since Saint Thomas said that sins were a crime against human reason, and you show no signs of the ability to reason, I now question my first belief that you would go to hell because you clearly lack all ability to reason.

>Argument to submit to pagan kings.

I'm beginning to understand what was meant by "lessor vessels", and am sad.

>>849591

Is it not interesting how the sodomite mafia is parading down the streets of all these subverted cities. There always seems to be a strain of sodomite priests or monks trying to dismantle the sovereignty of other nations and free themselves to molest children.

Isn't that interesting. It is almost like the thing they really stand for is crime, sodomy, and disloyalty, and the thing they stand against is law, order, sovereignty and enforcement of justice in the land by the lawful national government. They want to subvert all national systems in favor of one international system under control of the pro-sodomite children of the wicked one. How interesting that we keep seeing this same pattern repeated over and over in every part of the world and time period, and it is all related to one particular, sodomite plagued and decadent region of the world. Regarding laws against this wicked act, more evidence follows from the resource below -

Sir William Blackstone, "Commentaries on the Laws of England"

"Book the Fourth, XV Chapter," p.215

IV. What has been here observed, especially with regard to the manner of proof, which ought to be more clear in proportion as the crime is the more detestable, may be applied to another offence of a still deeper malignity,–the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast; a crime which ought to be strictly and impartially proved, and then as strictly and impartially punished. But it is an offence of so dark a nature, so easily charged, and the negative so difficult to be proved, that the accusation should be clearly made out; for if false, it deserves a punishment inferior only to that of the crime itself.

I will not act so disagreeable a part, to my readers as well as myself, as to dwell any longer upon a subject the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature. It will be more eligible to imitate, in this respect, the delicacy of our English law, which treats it in its very indictments as a crime not fit to be named: "peccatum illud horribile, inter Christianos non nominandum." (k) A taciturnity observed likewise by the edict of Constantius and Constans :(l) "ubi scelus est id, quod non proficit scire, jubemus insurgere leges, armari jura gladio ultore, ut exquisitis pænis subdantur infames, qui sunt, vel qui futuri sunt rei." Which leads me to add a word concerning its punishment.

This the voice of nature and of reason and the express law of God(m) determined to be capital. Of which we have a signal instance long before the Jewish dispensation by the destruction of two cities by fire from heaven; so that this is a universal, not merely a provincial, precept. And our antient law in some degree imitated this punishment, by commanding such miscreants to be burned to death,(n) though Fleta(o) says they should be buried alive; either of which punishments was indifferently used for this crime among the antient Goths.(p) But now the general punishment of all felonies is the same, namely, by hanging; and this offence (being in the times of popery only subject to ecclesiastical censures) was made felony without benefit of clergy by statute 25 Hen. VIII. c. 6, revived and confirmed by 5 Eliz c. 17. And the rule of law herein is, that if both are arrived at years of discretion, agentes et consentientes pari pæna plectantur.(q)

>>849603

>I'm beginning to understand what was meant by "lessor vessels", and am sad.

1 Timothy 2:1-4 says this:

"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

As a Christian, I will go with the Apostle Paul over anything else someone tries to present outside of what the Holy Bible teaches. I am going to be on the same side as the Apostle Paul on this.

>>849603

>I explained how the war started, and gave the alternative to the war.

I just wanted to make sure you were indeed blaming Lincoln for starting the Civil war.