487fb3 No.847358
I think there's a paradox in Christianity. Let's say someone is insulted and beats up the person he thinks is insulting him. He is then arrested and put in prison. In effect the prison punishment is a pointing at this person and saying "you are bad", it's an expression of opinion and attitude. But the thing that made him bad is that he was insulted. In other words the opinion and attitude of the person he beat up affected him emotionally, whereas a good person, someone who is like Jesus, wouldn't be hurt by the opinion and attitude, wouldn't have an emotional reaction to it, wouldn't take it to heart. Well the paradox is that the exact same thing is happening again now that he is being punished by prison, an opinion and attitude is shown, and a good person, likewise, would not be hurt by it, wouldn't have an emotional reaction to it, wouldn't take it to heart. It seems then as if you can't tell anything at all about your own character from other people. I think this has something to do with why Jesus in the Bible was punished even though he was sinless. It's probably metaphor. Sacrifice or not, I don't know.
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8cc657 No.847363
I think this confuses secular law with religious belief.
It also makes use of the false dilemma, as there is a third option, sue the slanderer in a court of law. It isn't just let someone say bad things about you or go to prison.
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487fb3 No.847369
>>847363
>I think this confuses secular law with religious belief.
Being sentenced to prison was just an example. It can be replaced with any kind of condemnation or negative opinion or attitude, in this case for having beaten up a guy, such as for example that guy and his friends showing up to retaliate.
>It also makes use of the false dilemma, as there is a third option, sue the slanderer in a court of law. It isn't just let someone say bad things about you or go to prison.
I don't see it. Either you take someone's negative opinion and attitude of you to heart or you don't. It's interesting though how law relates to this, as some people believe it's something detached from it, but I'm not sure it is, there's no such thing as justice, there's only power.
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d03973 No.847372
I don't see any paradox. Are you just observing that Christians ought not act violent to people over words?
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e60bd7 No.847386
>>847358
>whereas a good person, someone who is like Jesus, wouldn't be hurt by the opinion and attitude, wouldn't have an emotional reaction to it, wouldn't take it to heart
So have you kikes just moved on to directly shilling against St. Thomas of Aquinas now?
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8cd66c No.847391
>>847386
Fatsos are not entitled to talk about God.
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8f6d89 No.847392
>>847391
Ad hominem fallacy.
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0a7e42 No.847398
>>847392
The guy who argues that popes can annull oaths indeed has problems.
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8f6d89 No.847399
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487fb3 No.847401
>>847386
There's no such thing as justice, only power. What's justice to a liberal Western society is not justice to the Taliban.
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6ad6bf No.847403
You're all complete fücking brainlets on this board
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000000 No.847404
>>847358
God commanded the Israelites to punish criminals. That commandment has not been overturned. If you beat somebody up and go to prison for it, you deserve it. Feelings and emotions do not matter, only your actions.
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6ad6bf No.847406
>>847404
Has fückall to do with the topic. Brainlet.
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8f6d89 No.847408
>>847404
That's literally the jewish interpretation. Kikes believe there are no mental sins.
>>847401
You're still pretty dumb for rejecting justice but you're smarter than most people. Punishment is done to DISCOURAGE other people from committing the same error, hence public burnings at the stake. The left became very efficient at publicly punishing being good and then everything went to s—. On Fr. Ripperger's series on demons and communism, he says demons literally work towards punishing people for being good.
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7ef963 No.847412
>>847358
>It's probably metaphor.
You are not gettin' out of it that way, anon
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c7b3ca No.847429
>>847408
the biggest retard here is you
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c7b3ca No.847430
>>847412
who said anything about getting out of anything? retard
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c7b3ca No.847431
extremely low IQ people on this board
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056762 No.847432
>>847429
>>847430
>>847431
Thanks for your input, we really needed it
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8f6d89 No.847440
>>847429
>>847430
>>847431
Very compelling counter arguments.
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6fbc6b No.847446
>>847440
Nobody, including you, has said anything related to anything I said in the OP or other posts. I don't discuss with complete retards.
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8f6d89 No.847450
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6fbc6b No.847452
>>847450
it is frustrating to be surrounded by idiots, yes
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8f6d89 No.847454
>>847452
That's pretty ironic considering your sentence is missing capitalization and a full stop.
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6fbc6b No.847456
>>847454
proving again that you are an idiot
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8f6d89 No.847458
>>847456
The only thing being proven is how sensitive you are. It's ironic how in your op you say good people don't take things to heart, yet that's exactly what you're doing here.
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c79db9 No.847460
>>847358
HAHA, how does it feel to be so much of a loser you have to reduce the Bible to feelings to convince yourself you're a good person? Jesus certainly felt strong emotion and it showed many times. He called the kikes the sons of Satan which they were and whipped their evil asses. Guess what, your vindictiveness is nothing but a manifestation of your narcissism which literally aligns with demonic behavior. How does it feel to be a literal demon on earth, a spawn of Satan as Jesus would call the kikes? If you want to repent and make things better you might as well kill yourself and remove yourself from this planet which still has some good people left on it. Or in short: get winnie the poohed, kike.
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bf55a8 No.847471
>>847460
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
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c1e289 No.847472
>>847458
Firstly this thread isn't about me, retard. Secondly nobody has said a winnie the pooh thing with any substance and that irritates me.
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c1e289 No.847473
>>847460
That whole post was ad hominem. Learn basic logic retard. The topic isn't me.
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d41124 No.847506
>>847404
>God commanded the Israelites to punish criminals.
Besides your post having fückall to do with the OP, this is a fücking retarded statement, complete fücking brainlet.
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d41124 No.847514
Fücking idiots. The person he felt insulted by was expressing an opinion and an attitude. A good person would not have been insulted, would not have taken it to heart. The same thing is happening when the court is sentencing him to prison, it is expressing an opinion and an attitude of him. But just like a good person wouldn't have taken the first opinion to heart, it wouldn't take this opinion to heart. Repenting in Christianity is literally not taking to heart, it's the same thing. That's why the Bible says
>If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat as well
In other words when someone insults you say "yes this is true, and I have this other flaw as well". Only an unrepenting person is insulted, he is trying to protect his ego.
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844c88 No.847516
>>847514
Or maybe the guy going around insulting people is being a pain in the ass and people don't like him because he's annoying and spreading lies. But no, I'm sure it's being bothered by jewish behavior that's the sin and kikes never did anything wrong.
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d41124 No.847518
>>847516
what does that have to do with the topic? nothing
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844c88 No.847520
>>847518
It has everything to do with it. Someone doesn't sin by being internally bothered with a sinner's behavior. St. Thomas says it's the internal state of not being bothered by a sinner's behavior that's a sin. See >>847386
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d41124 No.847522
>>847520
Expressing an opinion and attitude isn't necessarily sinning, likewise people can be insulted by simple statement of fact.
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8cc657 No.847535
>>847398
red herring fallacy.
I think this thread died and is just running around like a chicken with it's head cut off. The Original Post was poorly worded and not well thought out as it was born in confusion, and it quickly went down hill from there.
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056762 No.847536
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cae06e No.847539
>>847535
The OP is excellent. You're coping because you are a retard who can't understand the OP and has nothing to contribute.
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4245ee No.847589
The person he felt insulted by was expressing an opinion and an attitude. A good person would not have been insulted, would not have taken it to heart. The same thing is happening when the court is sentencing him to prison, it is expressing an opinion and an attitude of him. But just like a good person wouldn't have taken the first opinion to heart, it wouldn't take this opinion to heart. Repenting in Christianity is literally not taking to heart, it's the same thing. That's why the Bible says
>If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat as well
In other words when someone insults you say "yes this is true, and I have this other flaw as well". Only an unrepenting person is insulted, he is trying to protect his ego.
There was a video where Bashar, a "guru", was talking about how you don't take someone's negative opinion of you to heart if you know it's not true and it never is true. I think Christianity is saying the same thing but it's saying repent and when you are repenting fully you are disconnecting from the ego, the "lower self", being in the "higher self"/Jesus which is not insulted/taking it to heart because it's sinless, the ego is the sinner, the higher self is not, repenting disassociates you from the false lower self and connects you with the higher self/Jesus. Repenting is not taking other people's negative attitude to heart. When you're emotionally affected you are not repenting.
A noble man doesn't take negative opinion of him to heart. The paradox is that a truly noble man can have the whole world telling him he is not noble, the opposite of noble, the scum of the earth, the lowest of the low, put him in prison, say he is an animal, a criminal, a retard, etc and yet not take any of it to heart. That's why I said you can't know anything about your character from other people.
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5afd35 No.847594
>>847358
In traditional Europe you were entitled to beat someone up over an insult, or to "demand satisfaction" in a duel. This aside however, you will get mitigating circumstances if you overreacted in a situation, both in a court of law, and from God I assume. A very controlled and confident person will find the preceise measure of reaction to every situation.
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8cc657 No.847623
>>847594
>In traditional Europe you were entitled to beat someone up over an insult, or to "demand satisfaction" in a duel.
In traditional Europe, the Holy Mother Church banned duels and forbid any Christian from having anything to do with them.
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8cc657 No.847624
>>847539
Thanks for the Godless pagan view of the thread.
1) Op confused secular (allowed duels) and religious (duels and those who participate commit a mortal sin) and the secular laws (duelist put in prison) it's all muddled.
2) when this was pointed out, Op hand waved at some non-existent example that he expected the reader to make up for him.
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69861f No.847632
>>847624
fücking retard, I already explained court sentence is a fücking example to illustrate, and can be replaced with any kind of condemnation or expression of negative opinion or attitude
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408bae No.847648
>>847624
What do the trivium and the bible quote have to do with your post?
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e1a1d0 No.847651
>>847632
>adolescent name calling
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c2d943 No.847671
>>847651
You're name calling when you say adolescent, retard. Maybe be the first person to give a reply which isn't retarded?
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e1a1d0 No.847685
>>847671
I'm not even the guy you replied to, i just think you're a bitch in the way how you insult people who aren't even insulting you. I bet you're underage or insecure.
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