82c5cc No.847112
Why the fück do Christians keep insisting that the Bible is not entirely metaphor? Why do they keep insisting that "Jesus died for your sins" when they cannot for the life of them explain what this gibberish means? Why do they keep saying that they "believe" in sentences which have no logical or grammatical meaning whatsoever? You can't just say you believe in something. The word "believe" has a meaning, you are misusing the word if you say you believe in something but you don't, because you literally can't believe in a collection of words with no meaning. Jesus being tortured and killed is clearly metaphor. I don't know the meaning of the metaphor but neither do you.
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9a17c8 No.847114
Are you interested in the christian answer or are you just being petulant and want attention?
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180345 No.847116
>Why the fück do Christians keep insisting that the Bible is not entirely metaphor?
because it isn't entirely metaphoric
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584494 No.847117
>>847116
>because it isn't entirely metaphoric
Even the parts that are not metaphor, are metaphors.
Jesus' crown is of thorns - means rule of us sinners is painful to him.
Jesus' cross is heavy, and he stumbles, and Saint Simon helps carry the cross. The cross is our sins, and we have to bear some of our own.
Or the travelers who were healed, and only the gentile came back to thank Jesus for the gift of healing.
Mary is the Ark of the new covenant, carrying the Word of God, our Lord Jesus, the way the ark of the old testament carried the fragments of the 10 commandments.
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d9fffb No.847119
>>847112
Because the media made true racist Christianity distasteful so it decayed into becoming like every other normie grouping. Lie that you believe in some vague meaningless abstraction to fit in. It's no different from any other libs— clique unless they're openly racist.
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180345 No.847121
>>847117
yes, it is symbolic. I wouldn't call it a metaphor.
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39ecfb No.847131
>>847112
Its true a great many Christians cannot articulate what it means but that is just poor study on their part. On the other hand, I don't think the idea is apparent as some other Christians make it out to be. But here is the greentext version.
>Adam commits the first sin
>death enters the world
>passes from every generation to the next
>Christ comes
>Lives perfect, holy life, bearing no sins of his own devising
>Is unjustly crucified
>Is utterly forsaken by God to bear the total wrath from all the sins man has done
>resurrects so that he has lived as a man, borne all the punishment due man for his sin but is yet reconciled
>He has therefore restored reconciliation between God and man
>We can now accept his sacrifice and walk after his ministry to also receive total blameless reconciliation and eternal life with it
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012c49 No.847154
>>847131
Fücking retard, all you did was take what I already said and posted a longer version of it. Doesn't mean you truly understand fückall of what it means, or can explain it. Typical Christian fückwit answer.
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da93b6 No.847159
Maybe Jesus is some type of "higher self". So if you are a sinner and have enemies that's only your lower self. Hence why Jesus was tortured even though he was sinless.
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642eff No.847162
>>847154
If you can't stop talking like an edgy teenager then you don't deserve an answer.
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aee343 No.847167
Might have something to do with all of the secular historical sources that confirm numerous events in the New Testament.
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da93b6 No.847171
>>847162
Nice cope fückwit. You simply don't understand your own religion.
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e23101 No.847172
>>847167
You can "confirm" anything with enough effort.
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df5b0d No.847173
>Jesus died(except not really cuz he's God and can't die lol) for your sins(except not really cuz he only died for Adam's sin) so now you're saved(except not really because you still need to convert and abstain from sin or Jesus will burn you for an eternity).
t-thanks Jesus…
>>847131
>>borne all the punishment due man for his sin
except for the eternity of hell due to billions of men for their sins, but who cares about the details when Jesus loves you
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e23c46 No.847174
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e23101 No.847175
>>847112
Alright op, I'll be honest with you. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school and have no fukking clue what any of it means, except when the adult Catholics very explicitly said be a pushover and utterly and completely capitulate to all evil in any form. Other than that Christianity strikes me as very vague and abstract and therefore meaningless. If you ask for specifics like what the fukk the Holy Spirit is no one has a fukking clue. Why did Jesus have to die for our sins? Oh to appease Himself of course, as if that makes perfect sense. So what even is this God thing? Oh it's the voice in grandma's head that reminds her to water her cactus and gives charismatics babbling seizures. Yeah, there's no point to Christianity at all. Even the symbolic stuff is just bulls-. Obviously the unmoved mover exists but why should I give a s- if a random dude claimed to be him and got killed? The belief doesn't seem worth rejecting justice and becoming a servile slave for. I suppose if you look to the past you see a completely opposite Christianity, but I've been trying to reassemble what it entailed for years and every time I get closer I learned someone else who I thought was telling the truth about it was lying. It's more efficient to just believe what's useful and do what works best. Does Christianity teach this? No/maybe/yes depending on which commentary you read. But is it really worth navigating the corrupted sewers of Christianity to map out the path you want instead of just bulldozing straight to the point?
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aee343 No.847181
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f701e6 No.847190
You speak of abuses of the word "believe", but abuse "metaphor".
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d9fffb No.847193
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ade575 No.847197
>>847112
>>847175
I think you have to admit that _at least_ (and it could be more, but at least) Christianity is the right thing for the wrong reasons.
If you think western society without Christrianity has been a success, you haven't been paying attention. The vast remainder of positive things are from Christianity's wake.
Look at the trajectory of recent events. And no, I'm not talking about "acts of god". I'm talking about what happens to humans without any structure or rigid moral guidance.
Sure, people will have "morals", but everyone will have difference ones and will change them at will. So they will be useless, even damaging, morals.
Is Christianity perfect? NO. Largely because it's humanity's implementation that is flawed because humans are inherently flawed. You can never expect 100% perfection from us. But we can always be better.
Oh, there's child abusers who are Christian? Guess what, there are child abusers who are NOT Christian.
Just because YOU can't see the forest for the trees doesn't negate the entirey of Christian history and the largely positive (100% perfect? NO.) impact it has had on the world.
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d9fffb No.847199
>>847197
You'd have a point if the Christianity of today were the same as the Christianity of old that created great things for the White race but it's not. It's currently a satanic inversion of that Christianity. The substance of Christianity has died while the label lived on appropriated by a satanic psyop. And if you're supporting the Christianity of old like St. Augustine's teachings why not say you support St. Augustine? By claiming to support Christianity most people think you're referring to the satanic psyop they were raised in that calls itself Christianity and would quickly be labeled heresy by Augustine.
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ade575 No.847200
>>847199
When did this change happen? I want to learn more.
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92a035 No.847202
>>847190
No I'm not. You are misinterpreting what I'm saying, brainlet.
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584494 No.847224
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ade575 No.847226
>>847224
Please, can you give more details?
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e553a5 No.847252
>>847199
>It's currently a satanic inversion of that Christianity.
Use of corrupted forms of scripture can do that to you. The word of God is not something you just want to go around changing. If I went through a book and changed one word on every page I could make it say completely contradicting and wrong things. Bottom line, we should stick to using translations from the original sources, that people actually put effort into getting right, not corrupt sources.
That pretty much explains everything that's been going on. People don't care about following a subverted form of the truth, obviously, they only want the truth.
Catholicism was started by guys that were willingly burning scripture for the pre-christian Roman authorities. Of course, they would get it wrong. Nowadays their versions are spreading again (NIV and so on), hence moral decay in modern times. It's really not that complicated. The only thing that works is keeping the actual Bible, hearing God's word and following Christ through his sayings.
Everything else does not work. That's why we have a bunch of caths, sodomites and pharisees sitting on the supreme court ruling over this moral wasteland today. It is all because of people like them subverting things.
>By claiming to support Christianity most people think
Doesn't matter what people think though if anything God said in his word is true. There are much bigger rewards and penalties coming, than you are thinking of now.
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e23101 No.847254
>>847252
>Bottom line, we should stick to using translations from the original sources, that people actually put effort into getting right, not corrupt sources.
Honestly, that's why I prefer the Vulgate. Jerome was a pretty naive guy but very educated in language, meaning he probably made a very literal translation. When he couldn't find an exact word match in Latin he would just copy over the Hebrew but in Latin letters. If I could read Greek I would just read the Septuagint but Greek is MUCH harder than Latin. I also like Latin's lack of ambiguity. You can't bulls— multiple interpretations out of it like you can with English. That's actually why some exorcists only speak to demons in Latin. They can't monkey's paw you that way. I know I sound very Catholic because that's the culture I grew up in but I certainly don't trust liberal Catholics.
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e553a5 No.847278
>>847254
If you're a native Latin speaker you should probably read the original translations into that tongue, which were originally called the "Vulgate" until Roger Bacon in the 13th century. The so-called Vulgate of today is based on a modern rendition of the translation that was not standardized until 1590 by Sixtus and revised in 1592 by Clement.
The Vetus Latina or Old Latin are more accurate and older Latin translations that did not perform bizarre substitutions like "supersubstantial bread" in for "daily bread" in Matthew 6:11. They also do not corrupt John 3:5 by adding the word "again" where it said "born" only.
This is what ancient writers originally referred to as the Vulgate, in other words meaning the commonly used Bible. Not the newer versions such as what today is called the Vulgate, ironically enough.
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9e23dd No.847292
>>847278
there are no native latin speakers in 2020 dumbass
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584494 No.847300
>>847292
I'm sure Christian Anon means if you're fluent in reading ecclesiastical Latin and there is no reason to call anyone "dumbass".
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f5a055 No.847333
>>847292
>He doesn't know about other Rome.
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76482d No.847345
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1f34ca No.847997
>>847175
Why is it every time I hear of some godless person who despises the faith, they were sent to catholic school?
Not once have I heard "I went to a protestant private school and now I hate God, AMA".
True Christianity™ is a combination of malicious compliance to a non-violent adversary and swiftly executed justice to a violent one. This has been the practical reality of Christendom for thousands of years.
A common biblical quote is "turn the other cheek". You get harmed, but mercifully you do not take vengeance, instead daring the aggressor to try it again and see what happens. What happens if the aggressor tries a second slap?
A Crusade is what happens when the aggressor attempts to slap Christendom's second cheek. You've heard of THE Crusades, but the Reconquista and the Northern Crusades (incredibly successful and provoked by heathen aggression) are commonly swept under the rug.
I won't pretend to be a theological mastermind, but I can safely tell you that limp-wristed Christendom has been the exception to the rule. Unfortunately we're living in exceptional times, and I pray that it does not continue for so long as to become the rule.
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f1266a No.847999
>>847997
You know it's been Catholic prophecy for centuries that the Pope after our current one is the last one right? Catholicism terminates then and there by decree of Vatican confirmed prophecy. If it "continues" after the next Pope it's invalid. So I don't know about Protestantism but Catholicism (as a Papacy) at the very least terminates soon. Something is going to change and if Satan ever "steals" God's church soon is the appointed time for it to happen. Nothing lasts forever. Old Testament religion didn't and neither will Catholicism. So the decay of old man Christianity you're witnessing might just be him going through dementia before having a stroke. It's not like any other organization was sane in its death throws or as noble as it once was. See the Canaanites. See ancient Israel. See Rome.
But all that said, I REALLY wish I were born in an era where Christianity was at its greatest, where doctrine wasn't abstracted away into meaninglessness and where you do didn't have to do the opposite OF EVERY FUKKING GODDAMN THING YOU WERE EVER TOLD BY A HAIRLESS APE to be successful and find peace with God.
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33b89b No.848097
>>847999
>OF EVERY FUKKING GODDAMN THING YOU WERE EVER TOLD BY A HAIRLESS APE to be successful and find peace with God.
You can start with not cursing or insulting the work of his creation. It won't solve everything wrong with you, but it's a good first step to the road to peace with God.
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afae6d No.848098
>>847999
> GODDAMN
not cool
you're refering to the prophecy of the pope's it's not accepted by the church and widely considered a fake
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de258a No.848101
>>848097
>lies from corrupt men are the creation of God
I think you're confusing God with Satan. I suggest you get that fixed before lecturing others.
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de258a No.848102
>>848098
FUKKING NlGGER KIKE
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33b89b No.848105
>>848101
What gibberish is this? You called men hairless apes. You promote evolution and insult God's handiwork. In addition to taking his name in vain. You have zero respect for anything he does.
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de258a No.848107
>>848105
I'm a Catholic. Of course I believe in evolution. Or are you going to call me a larper to dismiss me since I don't match false internet stereotypes you were taught about us?
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afae6d No.848113
>>848102
you might want to double check that one (yes we can believe in evolution but not in undirected evolution the way the scientific theory currently proposes)
also still have to believe in adam and eve and original sin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Catholic_Church
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de258a No.848115
>>848113
>undirected evolution
The fukk is that even supposed to mean? Of course God's hand is active in the universe but so is Satan.
>also still have to believe in adam and eve and original sin
Yeah, and you still have to believe in single predestination and just war doctrine.
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0f2380 No.848178
>>847112
They aren't Christians. They're larpers which is why they misdirect by accusing everyone else of what they are.
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584494 No.848214
>>848113
Science makes no claim about randomness.
I've seen it argued by Pop-fizikizit things like the many universe theory to explain why our universe has just the right constants to produce life, but that's an appeal to the supernatural and not a scientific hypothesis at all. God is Occam's razor in that mix.
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5b26bf No.848216
>>847997
modern school in general is a failure no matter the type. all it serves to do is spiritually destroy it's participants through constant mindless drudgery and over-socialization for almost the whole of the victim's childhood. it only successfully teaches hedonistic self hatred and in turn, atheism; thats all it'll ever be. if anything catholic schools make it worse. this is why atheism is so popular these days. the only schools that ever worked were the optional ancient greek ones.
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6079a0 No.848221
>>847193
Also not an argument.
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