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>>847091

unbased

>>847098

"May Saint John Baptist protect Islam and all the people of Jordan, and all who partecipated in this celebration, a memorable celebration."

-Pope John Paul II

The islamic deity does not transcend the concept of uniqueness, thus he is not unique (one) but is fashioned by the mind of men.

>>847106

That's just a silly ecumenical fashion that will die off eventually because its error and error always gets rooted out sooner or later.

There is no ecumenism in anonymous Vietnamese basket weaving online forums thought, Islam is just the made up ramblings of some dude for his benefit, aided by the devil whispering in his ear.

Mohamed wants to marry his adoptive son's wife but its agaisnt the law? Just say that allah said it was ok now, so he marries his son's wife.

Time to enter the true faith, Jesus is your Lord and your God and He awaits you brother. In the day of judgement its Jesus you'll see. You'll want to have His mercy tipping the balance in your favor rather then having to deal with justice alone.

>>847109

Surah Ikhlaas debunks your claim in just a few lines

>Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

>Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

>He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

>And there is none like unto Him.

>>847091

Yeah, he's one. One devil.

>>847091

'Allah' sent a prophet to every people, Jesus is my prophet, I do not need Muhammad.

>>847134

Not good enough, Jesus is God.

>>847109

The christian deity is arbitrary as he can "suppress" his own attributes like he did when becoming ignorant in matthew 24:36. There's no way to trust such a god, in fact you can't know whether god lied or was ignorant, as he could suppress his honesty as well as knowledge.

Jesus is also unique in having a divine lust for underaged mary's tits. For what reason does an eternal deity need to incarnate in order to be able to suck on human breasts/give oral sex?

>>847123

according to the new testament one of the main criticisms against Jesus was that he didn't give a s— about the laws and just violated what he wanted(including rejecting laws on hygiene, something christians came to regret eventually). You accept that Jesus abrogated most of the laws of the OT based mostly on random dreams( probably because someone just liked pork too much).

The argument that no laws could be abrogated is a jewish one that if true makes christianity false before Islam.

The christian deity also broke the law as his parents weren't married. He's legally a bastard unfortunately.

>>847132

The devil is more likely to be the (anti-)"christ" of paul. Keep in mind he admitted his christ was a curse and disgraced. The bible even specifically warns of following people that did not know Jesus yet prophesize in his name, like paul

>>"On judgement day many will tell me, Lord, Lord, we prophesized in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. But I will reply, I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized." (Matthew 7:22-23)

This prophecy can only apply to christians, as no one else prophesizes in Jesus' name.

We must look to ourselves, for we are a sinner and a great sinner among many. Judge not lest ye be judged, and take up the cross.

God bless you, and may you find water and shade at the end of it all.

>>847165

>daily mail screencaps instead of arguments

good one

>Jesus can't be Son of God, Allah can't have a consort (not understanding how the trinity works).

>Allah three daughters: Uzzah, Lat and Manat.

Hmmmmm….

>>847169

All I see are people making stuff up:

>God had a son outside of wedlock and is in fact a single parent-household godhead and possibly similar to cerberus

>God had daughters

this isn't an argument against Islam.

>>847176

Why don't you try refuting these arguments instead of blogging british tabloids?

>>847137

>>847137

Yeah, fukk Matthew.

>>847137

These chains you demand on God so he may be worthy of your trust comes from angst, the opposite of faith, thus is to be overcome.

And stop watching porn, it perverts your thinking process.

>>847127

My argument is that the islamic deity is neither one nor only.

You abuse the meaning of refuting, for you meant contradict.

>>847187

You surprise me truly. Here I am addressing your theology and you go on about pornography and chains. Clearly you must have a very specific type of porn in mind, one that pops into your mind when your theology is concerned. Can your arbitrary, cursed god not go one day without getting tied up and put on display half-naked, cannibalized, or killed in order to earn your veneration and gratitude and make up for his wrongdoings? Personally I don't demand human sacrifices from god, be they illegitimate children or legitimate.

>>847281

Your deity's incarnation and subsequent suckling is not offensive bait, it’s your theology. Why is no allowed to talk about it? You don't seem to have a problem even making art of it and putting it on display.

>>847291

it is you that is trying to make a scandal of something so trivial

>>847293

If it's trivial then you have no need to get so worked up. You're the ones using labels such as pornographic, vulgar, and offensive.

>>847294

it makes sense that you don't notice that you are being vulgar, just like you ignore the vulgarities of the fake prophet mohamet

>>847295

I'm addressing your actual theology(incarnation, divine knowledge, attributes mentioned in the bible etc). But because your religion is false and you're full of hate all the time you can't formulate an argument. And since your god never taught you any manners what so ever, you don't even have the basic decency to spell Mohammed's name properly.

>>847196

This website is demonic.

>>847092

False

Unbased

Collection Sahih Muslim

In-book reference Book 28, Hadith 13

Reference Hadith 1671b

USC-MSA web (English) reference Book 16, Hadith 4131

Anas reported:

Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukl came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncogenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and he said: Why don't you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels') milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn al-Sabbah with a slight variation of words.

and due to allah having pre islamic origins and history he also had 3 daughters known as al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat and muhammad took the idol that his ancestors and people worshipped but the idols are still alive to reside him in the kaabah (form what I heard haven't checked)

Zamakhshari on Sura 22:52/51

We have never sent any messenger of prophet before thee, but that Satan cast into his fancy, when he was fancying; but God annuls what Satan casts, then God confirms His signs - surely God is All-knowing, All-wise…

The occasion of the sending down of the present verse is the following: As the members of the tribe of the messenger of God turned away from him and took their stand against him and his relatives also opposed him and refused to be guided by what he brought to them, then, as a result of the extreme exasperation concerning their estrangement and as a result of the eager desire and longing that they be converted to Islam, the messenger of God sheltered the wish that nothing would come down to him that could make them shy away. Perhaps he should have been able to use that for the purpose of converting them and causing them to be dissuaded from their error and obstinacy. Now this wish continued in him until the sura called "The Star" (that is, Sura 53) came down. At that time he found himself with this wish in his heart regarding the members of his tribe. Then he began to recite, and when he came to God's words "and Manat, the third, the other" (Sura 53:20), Satan substituted something in accordance with the wish which the messenger of God had sheltered, that is, he whispered something to him which would enable the messenger to announce his wish. In an inadvertent and misleading manner, his tongue hurried on ahead of him, so that he said: "These (goddesses are the) exalted cranes. Their intercession (with God) is to be hoped for"… Yet, the messenger of God was not clear at this point until the protection of God "isma" reached him and he then became attentive again.

Also he prayed to one of them and was considered satanic verses basically which begs the question of every verse or revelation was revealed to momo.

21)Chapter: Expulsion of Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula(21) ‏‏

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:

I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

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Reference : Sahih Muslim 1767 a

In-book reference : Book 32, Hadith 75

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 19, Hadith 4366

You say allah is merciful but there is an unforgivable sin known as shirk or mudshirken (aka everybody on this board who are Christian) and then the amount of times mom broke the ten commandment and breaks his own but all of a sudden through revelations the rules changed every time to suite his narrative or what he was doing at the time.

So merciful he created things that he hated, so merciful he is the main reason why everybody is in this mess.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 77, Number 609:

Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: I did not see anything so resembling minor sins as what Abu Huraira said from the Prophet, who said, “Allah has written for the son of Adam his inevitable share of adultery whether he is aware of it or not: The adultery of the eye is the looking (at something which is sinful to look at), and the adultery of the tongue is to utter (what it is unlawful to utter), and the innerself wishes and longs for (adultery) and the private parts turn that into reality or refrain from submitting to the temptation.”

And then there is the shariah and islamic jurisprudence and needing apostasy law to keep it's self afloat and shows how barbaric islam is, without apostasy law one admitted it would've died out.

>>847127

>He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

Hilarious considering this exists.

6:101 [He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

Your god is hardly omnipotent and is dependent on his creation and his omnipresence is also put into question as well..

And then you have support of necrophillia and in a certain situation kill an apostate and eat him or anyone that committed shirk, allah also wipes you out of existence if you dont want to sin (raises its own questions) and most importantly momo claimed there are 140,000 prophets question is where are they? Dude spoke on satanic verses there is one where he helps out momo and this isn't getting to the worse of it.

Allah swore by the Devil in Sura 69:38-39.

And ou go to Hell in Sura 19:70-72. And then you need to get good boi point sin order to go the sexual paradise known as islamic heaven, but you will still be scared because allah at any time can throw you out back into hell than there is angels worshipping man and jinn bowing or vice versa and jinn are created by allah, iblis in it (satan with d— and vagina) did nothing wrong and was kicked out, allah was an idol given his pre islamic history, also allah having the same taste of women hating the same people momo hated is almost as if it was made in the image of man hmm….. Also caring to much about of sex life of one person instead of condemning it and never calls out the false prophet on his sins.

Then… There is the sira which basically diefies momo makes his waste be a miracle despite what the quran said, moon splitting in hadith, he is the light about 175,000 years old way more ridiculous to miram's age due to momo not knowing the difference between mary and miriam unknown family members and other people stole from apocrypha writings and the talmud which are not divine in any shape or form and when it speaks of the innocents it talks about muslims but not non muslims thus is not divine and then knowing whether or not it is created or not created.

Apparently when momo is being birthed he was shining the light of his mother all the way to syria from somewhere in africa (No I am not joking) and was doing looking up the sky worshipping allah or something like that sounding a bit familar to Jesus's birth and according to momo Jesus is an idiot.

Sahih Muslim Book 030, Hadith Number 5840.

Chapter : The merits of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him).

Abu Huraira reported ahadith from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) (and one of them was) that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said Jesus son of Mary saw a person committing theft; thereupon Jesus said to him: You committed theft. He said: Nay. By Him besides Whom there is no god (I have not committed theft). Thereupon Jesus said: I affirm my faith in Allah It is my own-self that deceived me.

Thought that was disrespectful? There is at least a couple others where momo blasphemes against christ and made him into a mere prophet and walks all over him just like how Jesus was giving birth and mary was having an orgasm and was horny because of allah or something and Jesus doing something… Ya.

And then there are parts where he is equal to allah making him his partner or momo due to being alongside allah (although it gets tremendously messy) so earth is younger or older or like how the stars are closer to the earth than the moon I mean the religion doesn't know what it wants to be at all.

Quran makes allah look like a failure or simply incompetent, did I forget to mention mercy was created?

What about the fact momo was ripped open to be purified?

94)Chapter: Fighting against the Jews(94)

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

‏ "‏ ‏"‏‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2926

In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 139

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 177

Also there was a rock that started running that proved moses (or someone else's) innocent.

Since the sira diefied momo with him being a bootleg rip off of Jesus and being the light proves islam doesn't know what it wants to be.

Momo killed children had sex with children killed women, cheated and broke promises on maids captives slaves killed slaves that sarcastically made fun of him I mean hell saying momo was black or brown is considered a death sentence.

Your religion is far from being based, it's a mess that causes a lot of misery in your own countries yet still blame the west.

Also your allah fears

(114)Chapter: The name which is most disliked by Allah.(114)

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The most awful name in Allah's sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the king of kings).

‏ "‏ ‏"‏‏.‏

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6205

In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 229

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 224

65)Chapter: Clarifying that Islam started as something strange, and will revert to being something strange, and it will retreat between the two Masajid(65)

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:

Islam initiated as something strange, and it would revert to its (old position) of being strange. so good tidings for the stranger.

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Reference : Sahih Muslim 145

In-book reference : Book 1, Hadith 279

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 1, Hadith 270

is narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar ('Abdullah b. 'Umar) that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) observed:

Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.

- - ‏ "‏ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 146

In-book reference : Book 1, Hadith 280

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 1, Hadith 271

And then allah calling him self the best deciever (Inb4 is best of planners) al makyr says other wise. Don't listen to momo and start drinking camel piss for medicine and camels being dirty with bad hygene or eating awjalza and then testing fate and start drinking posion because momo thinks you would be immune and don't be like momo and start diddling and being a child molester

Welp that's it, this religion is a freaking mess, they were sunni's or other sects that killed over each other over interpetations or the quran or what ever. And certainly embryology didnt start a blood cot and 40 days gets more developed even though it all forms simultaneously or else we would be getting skeleton fetuses and certainly dont be like momo and say every women that belongs to husbands or what ever dumb revelation say they belong to you despite that is lust and adultery and being sex addicted and need serious help and they will get suspicious of you and dont be like momo and start robbing people and driving people out of there, pray for your enemies.

>>847137

Now now as for you.

These are the weakest bad faith arguments I've seen.

> arbitrary as he can "suppress" his own attributes like he did when becoming ignorant in matthew 24:36

False Jesus had both natures that includes a human nature it was Jesus complying by his human nature and also respecting the command his father has given him it isn't that he doesn't know and knowhing how much the human mind can hold. for example like how the father knows there is going to be a marriage ceremony and is going to set it up is not that no one knows yet people are preparing for it, also funnily enough this is the same chapter where Jesus just described what is going to happen in the end times.

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Guess who is going to get persecuted? Christians

"esus is also unique in having a divine lust for underaged mary's tits. For what reason does an eternal deity need to incarnate in order to be able to suck on human breasts/give oral sex?

What a perverse mind you have is this what islam does to you? Yes yes we all know momo is a perverted creep.

>according to the new testament one of the main criticisms against Jesus was that he didn't give a s— about the laws and just violated what he wanted(including rejecting laws on hygiene, something christians came to regret eventually). You accept that Jesus abrogated most of the laws of the OT based mostly on random dreams( probably because someone just liked pork too much).

Nothing wrong with pork the reason why pork gets so much s— in the middle east is because how quickly it deteoriates over there same with human bodies.

>REEEEEEEEE HE ABROGATED

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

"he argument that no laws could be abrogated is a jewish one that if true makes christianity false before Islam."

This would also work against islam and decimate it from the inside out also no one here appeals to what Jews think.

"The devil is more likely to be the (anti-)"christ" of paul"

False do you even know who an anti christ is?

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.

>. Keep in mind he admitted his christ was a curse and disgraced.

You mean the verses you gleefully cherry picked and trying to apply the same logic with the quran to the bible despite not being as atrociously written or being much of lower quality in it's writing being downgraded despite never being written the same way or in chronological order and butchers many of the events and getting the stories all wrong.

>"On judgement day many will tell me, Lord, Lord, we prophesized in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. But I will reply, I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized." (Matthew 7:22-23)

Funnily enough this is what paul criticizes they are people who would abuse it for fame or money and when they encountered a demon they almost got killed, would also apply to you since you believe in Jesus and once he shows you he is lord you would be coming up to him and saying you believed in him, not just to lukewarm christians.

Also funnily enough this is the same chapter that talks about false prophets.

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

>>847170

>All I see are people making stuff up:

Isn't made up is actually true before islam allah was an idol with three daughters residing him with the kaabah (arguably still do while people kiss a rock to forgive sins)

it certainly is an argument given it's questionable content and history (due to islam being in petra) and momo taking a mis mash of multiple cultures religions and pagan elements just like how in the hadith's you pray to momo in one of the five prayers the sahada and the 5 pillars and other traditions, even your scholars mention these goddesses and your momo just prayed to one to and this isn't getting into the mess that is how aisha narrated momo doesnt know tomorrow or seen allah anyone who say it does goes to hell..

Since is (repeating my point) mis mash of multiple things is just that momo said satan made him recite those things (being a hypocrite later on and working with him or swore by it and then multiple attributes that are that of satan and how is been describe is literally what allah describes himself being as, thus can be used.

Just like how allah can't have children and needs to have sex and just like how his incapable of entering creation.

>>847298

>I'm addressing your actual theology(incarnation, divine knowledge, attributes mentioned in the bible etc)

Cool because that is what some anons here already did.

>But because your religion is false and you're full of hate all the time you can't formulate an argument.

This is projection, no one here is full of hate nor is it because anyone can't form arguments if you been here where they were Christianity vs islamic threads, they contain truth about islam and the ideology it is and in arguments they often resort to fallacies or even insults and having it disproven, but because nobody wants to waste your time with bad faith arguments, just like these that you have posted

>>847196

>ou surprise me truly. Here I am addressing your theology and you go on about pornography and chains.

>>847137

>Jesus is also unique in having a divine lust for underaged mary's tits. For what reason does an eternal deity need to incarnate in order to be able to suck on human breasts/give oral sex?

All of these are in bad faith and you don't care about an answer.

>ment. And since your god never taught you any manners what so ever, you don't even have the basic decency to spell Mohammed's name properly.

MAHOMET, go cry about your butthurt else where buddy none of us live in an islamic country where disrespect is unforgiven and we are to be executed, thankfully we don't live in countries where even internet censorship laws exist.

Your religion is false and your own prophet hardly has any manners.

>>847354

It’s not surprising to see satan’s servants be so afraid of even the very name of the Prophet of Islam.

Seeing as how your entire post was just nonsensical insults from a satanic mind it's clear you've given up(never tried to begin with more like it).

>>847353

>False Jesus had both natures that includes a human nature it was Jesus complying by his human nature

You're lying and rejecting what the verse says:

>But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father

Note how it clearly mentions the (supposed) persons: Son, Father, (and also not even the holy spirit knows).

Nothing here about human Jesus separate from the divine Jesus being ignorant.

Either way your lying doesn't help you since you admit that human Jesus can act independently from his divine nature, which means he could still lie and act arbitrary. It's obvious that you can't accept what your own bible says which is why you resort to pretending to be blind.

>What a perverse mind you have is this what islam does to you?

Nope that's your own theology. So you admit it's perverted, as the other one admitted its pornographic.

>This would also work against islam and decimate it from the inside out also no one here appeals to what Jews think.

You're too retarded to understand basic logic.

>You mean the verses you gleefully cherry picked

Go ahead and reject it then. Until then, your god, and the christ of paul, is disgraced and cursed.

>funny enough blah blah irrelevant non-arguments

>since you believe in Jesus

again you reject the bible or pretend to be blind. Muslims don't:

>prophesized in your[ie Jesus'] name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name

this only applies to christians, and paul first and foremost.

>This is projection, no one here is full of hate

which is why you can not make a single post displaying the most basic of human decency. Deny it how much you want it's obvious that your demonic idol has taught you nothing but hatred.

In your entire post you could't make a single argument. All you actually did was prove that I was right: your satanic religion is pornographic, un-defendable, and the bible incompatible with your current theology.

How often do Christians advertise on Muslim boards?

>>847374

Not often because we either get banned and the board is dead.

qur'an 3:54 "And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers."

Your false god is a liar. You worship satan.

>>847359

So this is what envy looks like?

I suggest recommending you to rebuke the demon.

>human decency

Nice projection for a bait post.

>>847407

Word.