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>>846411

>You cannot be a racist and be a genuine Christian. If you are, please leave this board and go back to /pol/. Your racial ideologies are not welcome in Christianity.

Oh look more social shaming tactics. Wouldn't you be better off being an arse on twitter or facebook where people are actually concerned about their "social status" instead of an anonymous imageboard? What you're doing is akin to bringing a bicycle to a boating competition.

>>846412

Well why shouldn't I shame you for being a racist? Christ wasn't afraid to shame the Pharisees for their despicable beliefs. "You snakes, you brood of vipers!" (Matthew 23:33)

Christ specifically commands us to call out our brothers who sin against us (and you sin against members of the body of Christ who are not your race by being racist), and if they will not listen then we should bring it to the Church (Matthew 18:15-17), because when one part of the body of Christ is in pain then the entire body feels the pain (1 Corinthians 12:26), and as a member of the body of Christ your sins (including that of racism) defile the entire body of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:17). Stop defiling the Temple of God, whether that is by racism or by other sins. Repent, go to confession, receive the Eucharist, and love your neighbor (Leviticus 19:17).

>>846413

Psalm 56:5

Titus 3:10-11

>>846414

The insults Jesus used weren't meaningless insults intended to emotionally persuade. They meant deceivers. He could've just called them liars and it would mean the same thing. What you do when you socially shame people is play the part of Satan because original sin is irrational conformity. Satan used promises that were obviously irrational to persuade Eve to conform to his will and Eve did the same with Adam. God HATED this. God had to suffer for this sin of ours again when jews socially shamed Pilate into killing Jesus and got the crowds to jeer at Jesus as He was being killed. Read the Gospel of John. If you're playing the part of Satan on something as simple as mere social interactions then I most certainly have no reason to trust you on larger matters like race.

>>846415

Since you don't bother to use your words am I to guess that you think I'm being divisive and twisting your words, when you are literally saying I'm not a Christian if I don't share your egalitarian sensibilities?

>>846413

Agreed that it's inadvisable but if it's a choice between a Jewish or black woman who is a proper Christian and an atheist white woman the choice for a Christian must be the Christian woman always. Faith must come first and we must always prefer our Christian brothers and sisters over those who walk in darkness

>>846417

I am responding to your image, which is twisting the words of scripture and which is refuted here:

http://fatherjohn.blogspot.com/2017/12/interracial-marriage-and-orthodox-faith.html

And no, I am not denying your Christianity, I have no right to judge your faith (Matthew 7:1), rather I am doing as Christ commanded and calling you out for your sins, just as I would call out a Christian who believes homosexual marriage is ok when scripture and tradition forbid that as sinful. However it seems you're attempting to play the role of the victim here.

>>846416

I never really even "insulted" you, I simply pointed out that if you believe in racism, then that is incompatible with Christianity. Only on this fringe site will you find people claiming to be Christians (which I do not deny) yet believe in something contrary to the Christian faith, that is racism or miscegenation which has been condemned by the mainstream Christian world just as homosexuality has been condemned. I want to help try and correct you for the sake of Christ our Lord, to help you onto the better path, and sometimes tough love must be utilized in these situations.

You implying that wanting to exist is racial supremacy shows you are just an ill intended troll. God didnt make all the races so they mixed into one blob to prove they arent 'supremacist'.

Also you attacking whites specifically and not any other race shows you are just here for anti white garbage.

Miscegenation should only happen naturally at the margins, border people mixing a bit with the neighboring countries.

This bringing of millions of far away foreigners and the the constant propaganda to miscigenate is obviously a deliberate attack on the western peoples and Christendom by evil revolutionary forces. Monetary communism fails? here comes racial communism! here comes sexual communism! And communism is amply criticized by the church.

We shouldnt take part in it by creating more individuals of shattered identity because they dont feel like they belong and easily adopt anti western views that push for the demographic change that is desired by the evil side.

You can bring them up so they have a sense of loyalty but the natural craving of belonging will never be there which is a cruelty being done unto them.

Someone doesn't know about Canaanites, and therefore hasn't actually read the bible.

"mix it all" is a satanic idea of chaos, God created separate races, you globalist always try to destroy God's order and build Babel's Tower, you are sons of whores and the devil, but Christ always win

Racism is not a sin. OP is a kike.

>>846467

>>846429

Just because I oppose racism you assume I'm a globalist? First of all I'm primarily speaking about the situation in North America, particularly the United States, which is multicultural and has been for a very long time. "Race mixing" is common and the historic Christian Church has no problem with this. If a black man and a white women, or an Asian woman and a black man, or etc etc wanted to get married the Church can not refuse on the basis of their race or ethnicity. The Church has never done this and never will, and condemns anyone who would forbid this. Marriage is between one man and one woman regardless of race because all humans are equal in dignity and intrinsic value and especially if both are Christians because in the body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, male or female (this becomes especially true in becoming one flesh in Christian marriage itself), slave or free (Galatians 3:28).

All forms of racial or ethnic supremacy are condemned by the historic Christian world, as is not only evident in that picture I posted above which is in a Catholic Church in good standing with Rome, but also in that statement from Orthodox bishops in America who condemn all forms of "racial or national supremacy and ethnic bias or dissention in the Church of Christ" and that the promotion of such ideologies is "condemned as heresy, the strongest category of false teaching". This means that ideologies found among members of groups of Neo-Nazis or the KKK are utterly condemned as evil and false.

But again, this does not mean I'm a "globalist" because I support every nations right to its own sovereignty which includes monitoring something like immigration, something which the historic Christian world has never been opposed to. The situation in countries like Japan or France is very different from that in North America. Of course there are still racial ideologies in some of those places, notably in Europe who promote forms of ethnic nationalism, something which is indeed condemned as is shown above in the statement from the Orthodox bishops which, once again, condemns condemned "racial or national supremacy" and "phyletism". So if say a European country decided to allow an African immigrant in and he met a white woman and both were faithful Christians who wanted to have a Christian marriage, there is absolutely no reason to forbid this on any grounds, as long as he is a biological male and she is a biological female there is absolutely no reason to forbid such a marriage. To do so would be promoting the false concept of miscegenation and racism.

I for one oppose European countries letting in the swaths of immigrants from Africa and the Middle East but not for racial reasons, and I also oppose illegal aliens in the United States and fully support ICE's removal of them. Just because I'm not a racist piece of s— doesn't mean I'm a globalist. It seems that too many people on this board put their politics over the faith though and subscribe to despicable ideologies found in Nazism or white supremacy

>b-b-but you're attacking whites specifically!

I am attacking white supremacy, just as I would attack any other form of racial supremacy including black supremacy or Asian supremacy or Jewish supremacy or whatever. Is your reasoning really so limited as to think just because I oppose racism I must also hate whites? I oppose any and all forms of racism including those held by whites! I condemned the Hebrew Israelites for black supremacy, I condemn ultra-Orthodox Jews for Jewish supremacy, etc.

>>846472

I have shown you what the consensus of the bishops is, but I guess if you refuse to listen to even them then nothing will persuade you. You have been warned once, you have been warned twice, and now I am simply going to walk away and leave God to judge you as in accordance with Titus 3:10-11.

>See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop.

>The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 8

>>846411

It is a sin to remain knowingly in communion with sodomites and mass murderers. The Holy Bible teaches that if you receive them into your homes or bid them godspeed, you become partakers in their evil deeds.

The Scripture also says to separate from the communion of Belial and the ungodly. See 2 Corinthians 6:14-18. Therefore, no matter how rich or powerful a person is, the follower of the Gospel should withdraw from those and not be in communion with those that walk disorderly: sodomites, fornicators, idolators and so forth.

1 Corinthians 5:

> 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

>>846473

Literally nobody cares what some kike fellating, child molesting faggots have to say.

Reminder that God destroyed Babylon for less.

>>846473

I would say that is no longer an argument because bishops sadly aren't ascetics anymore.

There is little in common between early medieval and 21st century bishops. The latter has become a quasi-political figure.

>>846411

Daily reminder that anti-racism is the state religion of the american empire and is incompatible with Christianity.

>>846473

What do you even mean by racism then? Because let me tell you bud, outside of this website and our slow brothers at halfchan this

<I support every nations right to its own sovereignty which includes monitoring something like immigration

is pretty racist and discriminatory, and contrary to the statement you quote in the OP. It's better to just not use woke nonsense words and say what you actually mean instead, and take the word of anyone (even a clergymen) who does with a grain of salt. I agree with you that the kind of racial idolatry you see a lot in these circles is un-Christian, but saying that it's un-Christian to not want foreigners to colonize your country (or at least to actually do anything about it, like make them go back to the homogenous quasi-ethnostates they typically hail from) is pretty much indefensible.

"racism" is marxist terminology. end of discussion.

what are we gonna discuss next? "capitalism", "marxist dialectics"?

>>846411

>There is literally nothing wrong with race mixing.

Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Concealment of information is one of the most common forms of mind control, worked wonders on you, brainlet.

God wrote in our hearts natural aversion toward different looking people at the tower of Babel. What God seperated, man can not put together. It is in the secular states, that desire to create a society without God, where ideals such as multiculturalism and the merging of all of humanity into one race, emerge.

I just find it weird that some of you guys think is Racism is not a sin while you have Black Saints(for eample Saint Moses the Ethiopian) and there is an entire Church, a rather old(from the 4th century) that is full of Blacks(Ethiopian Orthodox Church).

>>846620

I think it's telling that you've ignored everything said so far in this thread

Acts 17:26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,

I understood Christianity as being anti-globalism, and mixing of the races are part of the apocalyptic globalism. But you do have a point, race is just biology and we shouldn't treat it on a higher level than the spiritual.

>>846618

>>846659

When the Bible speaks about nations it is generally talking about nation states, not "race" in the modern sense (which is anachronistic to the Bible). Now the Bible does, in a way, speak about different "races" from Noah (Hamites, Shemites, Japhethites) and yet Moses, a descendent of Israel who was a descendent of Shem, married an Ethiopian/Cus—e woman, who are descended from Ham. Again you could argue that Ethiopians are technically causcoids, however this would be anachronistic to the Bible as technically Japhethites and Shemites would also be causcoids yet the Bible differentiates them, only reinforcing the fact that there is no true concept of race in the Bible. Yet I just mentioned that the descendants of Noah would be the closest thing to race in the Bible and the Bible is completely fine with these groups mixing as in the case of Moses and his Ethiopian wife. When the Israelites were told by Ezra not to mix with those around them, it wasn't because of race, actually the Canaanites are the same race as the Hebrews anyway and spoke a language very similar to their own, it was due to their religion. God made sure the Israelites differentiated themselves from the rest of the nations because of his covenant with them. We see various times people from the surrounding nations convert to the Israelite religion, like Ruth and Rahab, both of whom occupy a place in Jesus's genealogy, and also Uriah the Hittite, and possibly even Job (although he did live before Moses). We also know that in the new covenant, these laws given specifically to the Israelites no longer apply.

>>846663

>When the Bible speaks about nations it is generally talking about nation states, not "race" in the modern sense (which is anachronistic to the Bible).

Did you make a mistake? This is exactly opposite

Nation states are modern. The koine greek word ethnos refers to the biological nation.

>>846665

A nation state is ethnic. Hence why it's called a nation, like Greece is a nation state, or Vietnam, but not the United States. Maybe I'm using anachronistic terminology but the concept is the same. But as I already pointed out, the Bible is concerned with the culture and religious practices of nation states, not ethnicity or "race".

>>846666

You are a kike. Nations are people of an ethnicity. Nation-states are government entities. You attempted this same clause in a previous thread. winnie the pooh off

>>846666

You're wrong, super Satan.

Define what you mean by "racism". that can be anything from believing race exists to some idiotic definition that means only white people can be racist to full out hating everyone in another race.

While we're at it, define "Christian". You can find a protestant denomination that believes just about anything.

Thread seems kinda pointless without definitions.

>>846625

How?

>>846732

The Bible doesn't mention racism so you're not ever going to get a definition.

>>846760

I was hoping those who are throwing the word "racist" around would define what they mean by the term; and not necessarily with a Biblical reference.

>>846411

This is a lie. Nowhere in any Christian scripture is racism called a sin. Why? Because racism is a term invented by communists to divide Christian society. Anyone that gets behind a pulpit and preaches anti-racism is an evil scumbag commie.

>>846787

But the Christ does instruct us to Love our enemies. You can't hate someone, and thus you can't hate someone because of their race.

>>846801

Did God make David king because he loved goliath or because he killed him?

The old testament still counts.

>>846801

Racism doesnt mean merely hating someone on account of race in the discourse by those who decry it, it's code for anti white

>>846809

I believe that there is such a thing as race, that there is a repeatably measurable thing called genetic distance, and a variety of traits, vary from population to population.

Why does that suggest I hate anyone? Far from it! Long ago some people destroyed the culture of Africans, interbred with them and corrupted their gene pool so the poor people are not fit either in Western Society or African society. That's a terrible thing and I don't see how we can remedy it.

>>846815

>Why does that suggest I hate anyone?

Because the next step after understanding that one race is superior and another is inferior is "X race is better and deserves Y" and i'm not only talking about just white supremacy, the can come from any different backgrounds. Or "X race is bad and deserves to be removed/or killed". That's why outsiders treat white supremacy so harshly because of the ones that give it it's violent connotation.

With that said different races are clearly different, but not in the way /pol/ says.

>>846771

Well it is also not in Johnson's 1755 Dictionary of the English Language, or in Webster's 1828 Dictionary of the English Language. Largely owing to this and the other problems surrounding it, I don't recognize it as a well defined word in English. Much less something that has any relation to any doctrine of the Scripture.

Therefore, the entire topic is more of a curiosity than anything else. It seems that in one's attempts to condemn it, many often commit the very act of it while trying to condemn it, according to another's equally determined definition. There is little hope at this stage of there ever being a definition, similar to some of the nonsensical counter-charges that the bolsheviks made against their enemies before cutting their heads off or shooting them. I suppose the only definition that makes sense is the enemies of the most powerful anti-racists are by definition racists no matter what anyone else says.

>>846486

Lack of an argument mean and resorting to insulting means you have lost the debate anon.

>>846818

It isn't charity to assume that truth leads to sin, Anon.

Your post leads to self deception, and that is of the devil.

>>846821

I will agree that race is not mentioned in the Bible, tho' "nations" comes pretty close to it, as does the story of the Tower of Babel. I agree because mostly, it doesn't matter if it's in the Bible or not.

The Question is "Does Christian teaching conflict with the belief in racism?"

If racism means hate towards another person because of their race, then yes, because we're not to hate our neighbors but to love them.

if racism means understanding the truth that we are different peoples, then yes, you can understand that and be Christian. I would go so far it is necessary to understand that various races are different in order to form the best society for every different people. Denying that God made us different leads to sin and suffering e.g. BLM riots. Blacks, as a group, don't function well in white society. They must be able to govern themselves and work out their own laws and customs as long as it's Christian.

>>846473

>particularly the United States, which is multicultural and has been for a very long time

That turned out great didn't it

>>846847

I like you.

>>846882

This

You can dislike members of a particular race, but if you found the life of one was in danger and you had the power to save them, by God, do it.

>>846966

>>846882

Why do you need to hate/dislike certain races? Can't you just believe in racial differences and not hate/dislike them for their racial crime patterns? Can you be pro-white without hating/disliking other races?

>>846969

Can you post without purposely conflating words? Are you a kike?

>>846848

>tho' "nations" comes pretty close to it

it's not close, it is how the bible considers race. Race in the bible isn't just biology, it also involves membership in a body politic, a nation. We've stripped the racial component from the word "nation", but the bible didn't.

>>847147

True! We interpret the Bible in our own "multcultural" view of a nation being many races.