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We should absolutely embrace unity on common objectives, like abortion or conservatism. This is healthy and doesn't betray theological convictions.

It would not be right though to characterize both sides as the same house though. There are irreconcilable differences.

>>836837

A Christian set on doing the lords work? You make it sound like it’s a cut and dry situation. The Catholic Church IS a house divided on itself. So one cardinal starts talking and sounding based. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s in the midst of an extremely filthy majority. Evil can not exist without “good” men turning a blind eye. The corruption of the Catholic Church goes to the very top. So high up that no “good man” will ever be given a title. That is how corruption works. No corrupt organization blesses any person with a title without first having that person in their pocket through his own personal sins. You are naive. No wise person would ever join the Catholic Church with all that mankind knows today about them. As someone who used to be in an organization that was corrupt I can tell you there are no innocent people at the upper classes of these organizations. Being corrupt is a must in order to get such high titles. In fact, no man can enter Catholicism as a wise decision at all because of all these corruptions. We are not allowed as Christians to keep such filth in our inner circles, much less go to them for spiritual guidance. How do you think this current pope got into office? Through holiness? No. Through blackmail and deeper corruptions. Comities don’t elect anybody as their head that would take their evil fruits away from them. Any pure individual spiritually shivers around evil. They can’t take its stench. So all that are left within them are nothing but evil. This is just a case of one evil man fighting another. This cardinal knows what to say, it’s very easy. This happens all the time, one guy comes out, seems based, says what everyone knows is good, then gets into office, and things go on as they always have and get worst. Your naivety would be cute if it wasn’t so foolishly dangerous.

>>836840

> The Catholic Church IS a house divided on itself.

the same is true of christianity as a whole. Every allegation you levelled against catholicism is just as true in protestantism. Your argument about Vigano is just guilt by association. You can't find sin he committed in order to slander him so you'll just slander him for the sins committed by anyone standing within ten feet of him.

You're a malignant cancer in the body of Christ.

>>836839

> There are irreconcilable differences.

those differences aren't caused by one side being right and the other being wrong. Those differences are a clash between the traditions of men. The root of them is scribes and pharisees that want to maintain the power they've accumulated, not because they are defending the kingdom of God.

>>836842

No, it isn't being guilty by association.

Being organized by bishops makes it very easy for the world to control it. The protestant and bishop-organized congregations are different, protestants can't be subverted through bureacracy but they seem very fragile in matters of faith.`

The world, including themselves, loves to think that bishops are the church and not just men who have a particular function. Bishops were always the weakest link in of the church and always served secular affairs and heretic emperors. It was monastics, and even laity, who preserved orthodoxy.

>>836844

> Bishops were always the weakest link in of the church

the weakest link has always been the jesuits. The jesuit order is satanic and they've been kicked out of almost as many countries as the jews. It's not a surprise that the most evil pope in history (and that's saying a lot) is a jesuit.

>>836846

>Nestorius was a jesuit

Ok, schizo.

>>836842

Your using the term Protestant as something that includes all people outside the Catholic Church. So you don’t really believe in Christianity outside the Catholic Church. You believe in Catholicism as Christianity and everything else as false. The term “Protestant” is to Catholics what the term “worldly” is to JWs.

I don’t accept any denomination hiding such filth as the Catholic Church is involved In. I’ve proven this by getting out of a similarly filthy cult. I did what was needed, I got out of Babylon. You keep making excuses to stay in your personal branch of Babylon the great.

Again, the discussion is about a catholic cardinal, so I speak of the Catholic Church. All churches with similar sins are hated by God too. I view them all as false religion. We know an organization and individual men through their fruits.

People like you don’t care for evidence, you just ask ‘where is your proof’. There is plenty of proof. You just ignore them all. When people were bashing the current pope they provided proof. Did not the current pope say, “who am I to judge” when asked about homosexuality? Was that not proof he was corrupt? You don’t know what proof is. Stop acting like you cherish evidence. Your surrounded by evidence, and still asleep to the corruption. I can’t believe you actually think God is patient with such sins? That he would still call such an organization Holy. What mental gymnastics you must do in order to love God and simultaneously believe he loves the Catholic church. Is child abuse such a small matter to you?

>>836844

The bishops and the pope are the church. The people get their education from them. When matters arise that need guidance, it’s the bishops that guide ultimately. Education is from top down. The church is it’s leaders. All who publish works and writing in these churches with the seal of approval from the church are playing the game. These evil orgs follow the same structures wherever they’re found. All who don’t listen to them are either excommunicated or stripped of titles.

>>836844

Guilt by association is a biblical belief. It’s in proverbs I believe, as well as other places in the Bible. It’s also a belief that is naturally learned in life even by pagans. You can’t deny this reality. Birds of a feather flock together. All who disagree are attacked out of the flock. This is undeniable in life.

>>836842

If you’ve read revelations properly you’de know that a ‘malignant’ tumor/cancer is a product of one of gods vials of wrath toward all that have the mark of the beast. Would you like to take back that statement or tend to your sores? Also any one who doesn’t want a part of the plagues designed for Babylon the great must get out of her. Do you feel plagued?

>>836848

>Nestorius

nestorius was based. the elevation of Mary to Godhood is pure idolatry. Christianity was corrupted when it became the official church of the pagan emporers of Rome. and Mary was just a stand-in for venus in the pagan mother and child worship ushered in by the corrupt church.

Aside from that, you could have found a lot worse popes than nestorius. Pope Sergius III , for example.

>>836857

>Would you like to take back that statement

no. you're a disease

>>836849

> So you don’t really believe in Christianity outside the Catholic Church. You believe in Catholicism as Christianity and everything else as false.

You'll do much better in debates if you stop trying to tell people what they believe and respond to what they actually say. Building a strawman is a jewish tactic that has no place in honest discussion.

>>836860

>the elevation of Mary to Godhood is pure idolatry

>Mary to Godhood

Are you sure you fully understand the Nestorian controversy?

>>836862

The term straw man is overused in this board. Facts are facts. You’ve invested much devotion to this church and are having a hard time accepting that much of it was in vain. I’ve been there myself and it wasn’t easy. I managed to accept the truth and put my ego and bad investments to the side and accepted Christ’s plans for me. But I was never as obstinate as you are on the matter. I accepted it quickly when given the truth. You keep ignoring the facts if you like. You should be less worried about me being a disease and more worried about why your church is the one diseased.

Depending on the translation of revelations and the seven bowls of wrath, it is also called a ‘noisome tumor’. Are you annoyed at the noise I’m making about your church? It is an honor to be called a disease in this particular matter. It would mean I’m on God’s side of things. Do you feel plagued?

>>836865

> Facts are facts

and your deceptive tactic of responding to what you insist I think rather than what I actually said is a complete rejection of facts, so it's too late for you to claim affinity for facts now.

>You’ve invested much devotion to this church and are having a hard time accepting that much of it was in vain.

And immediately after trying to gain the high ground by referring to facts you immediately sink back into the sleazy tactic of asserting your fact free opinions as the basis of your argument. I'm not catholic and never have been. Too bad you can't make the same claim about judaism, eh shlomo?

Just admit reality- you're a shill and your job here is to create strife and animosity. Everyone else here already figured that out about you so you might as well admit it

>>836870

Nope. You are using a tactic of calling all facts or rational arguments as just tactics. Your showing signs of panic and irrationality. I am not a shill. I’m here of my own free will. Because I know I’m not a shill I also now know you are going through some emotional phase at this moment. You probably don’t even know what your really upset about.

You are upset because you have to hold onto a personal belief regardless of facts, and that makes it impossible for you to defend your trust in your church to others. Your trust in your church is borne, not in evidence, but blind trust. Yet you want evidence to prove wrong what you had no evidence to believe in the first place.

>>836862

This statement I made is because I’ve realized a common factor in the people that come under the Catholic flag. They are the ones calling me a Protestant when I’ve never been to a Protestant church or even read any books written by Protestants. Because so many people with this flag make the accusation that I am a Protestant (one even assumed something to the tune of “if you are not catholic your Protestant”) I know now the belief among Catholics is “any one protesting against the Catholic Church is a Protest-ant”.

Am I not allowed to deduce how your people think by what they do in common? Of coarse I am. How stupid would I have to be to ignore this?

>>836843

relativism

On the big issues like justification only one side is right.

>>836873

>Nope. You are using a tactic of calling all facts or rational arguments as just tactics.

How would you know? Your whole argument is pretending that you're psychic, ignoring what I actually say and telling me what I believe. You're a blatant sleazebag

Here's something you said that's hilarious-

>This statement I made is because I’ve realized a common factor in the people that come under the Catholic flag. They are the ones calling me a Protestant when I’ve never been to a Protestant church or even read any books written by Protestants.

Jews always accuse their adversaries of the things the jews themselves are guilty. I never accused you of being protestant, shlomo. I think it's fairly clear that you're a jew. You're a jewish subhuman that's only here to cause anger and strife between Christians. The sleaziness of your sophistry and unwillingness to exhibit even the most basic truthfulness ID's you. There isn't a Christian on this board that doesn't see right through you.

>>836879

>On the big issues like justification only one side is right.

or so your church tells you. Most of the earliest Christian writings were suppressed by the Roman church. Our modern Christianity is handicapped by our ignorance. On one hand we have Catholics claiming the infallibility of the pope and on the other they are claiming the infallibility of the bible. Either way Christian leaders think they know it all and so they prove that they know nothing.

Christianity isn't quoting the right opinions, it's a state of the heart.

>>836890

I am not a Jew. Jew Jew Jew Jew… what’s wrong with you? I am not a Jew. Are YOU claiming to be psychic? I never claimed I was psychic, your own people showed how they think with many words. I’m definitely not psychic, It’s called critical thinking and deductions. With so many Catholics reacting a certain way it’s only natural to see the common factor and unearth a fraction of what’s in your hearts. Your mouths speaks from a surplus of what’s in your hearts. So far, I know I’m not a shill, and I know I’m not a Jew. Because I know those things about myself, I now know your highly unstable.

>>836890

By your own words you judge yourself to be a Jew.

>>836894

>I am not a Jew. Jew Jew Jew Jew… what’s wrong with you? I am not a Jew

methinks thou dost protest too much shlomo

>>836898

Lol. Are you the same donkey in the Anderson thread? You think I protest too much? Maybe I protest-ant too much. Rotflol! You must really be falling apart mentally right now. Please, don’t shut up. Tell us more about yourself. LOL! Come on buddy, we’re all goyums here, don’t be shy.

>>836898

My first time admitting I’m not a Jew and you think I protest too much. LOL!

>>836890

So, are you catholic or not? Hard to believe otherwise isn’t it? Do I have ‘proof’ your catholic? Who else would get so flustered from me calling out a catholic cardinal, then go into another thread where I pissed off another Catholic then fall apart some more and call me a Jew several times, then bring up pornography and masturbation in the same thread a catholic I pissed off did the same thing? Only a catholic would do these things. So yes, I strongly believe your a catholic, flag or not. Are you a catholic? Tell us. Either you can say the truth or lie. You will know if you lied or not, we won’t. But I want you to know what your made of. Are you catholic?

>>836905

>Who else would get so flustered

flustered over you? you're a run of the mill shill. there are a million of you. I know it soothes your ego to think people take you seriously, but no one does. you're just a gnat.

>>836906

Are you catholic?

>>836891

so the law of noncontradiction tells me

you are not saying anything of any real substance

>>836891

This is relativism.

>>836934

>This is relativism.

no it isn't. If i had said that about christianity and hinduism then it would have been relativism. All I'm saying is that either church is corrupt now by any sane man's standards and salvation is not a result of membership of a church or the intellectual opinions you hold on God or religion. If a pure and holy church is a requirement for salvation then we're all screwed. Men are easily deceived, which is why salvation is a state of the heart, not a state of mind.

>>836906

I take ex bro srs