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>Elohim being plural and meaning more than two hinting

Oops forgot to finish this

Hinting at the fact that god is saying he is more than 2.

>>836793

This argument does not hold water. The qur'an has 'We' when Allah speaks of himself, for example. Many non-germanic languages use plural you for formal occasions.

>jews converted to christianity only because of allegedly believing in the Trinity

>God is saying he is more than 2

repackaged Elohim meme but it's 10 times as schizo

>>836802

Even without it they are instances of other times that he was referring himself to the trinity.

>>836800

You have of course what are called the theophanies that make sense when you consider the fact, that Christ is He which the man is made in the image of (thus being referenced explicitly and indisputably in Genesis 1:26, if one believes this to be testimony of God; see also Colossians 1:13-15) as well as many other places, some of which that come to mind first are Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-33, Genesis 19:24, Genesis 32:24-28 (see Isaiah 45:4), Exodus 24:10-11, Exodus 34:5, Joshua 5:14-15, Daniel 3:25, as well as some additional instances that would also make sense at least if you already established the fact of the above, such as Genesis 11:5, Deuteronomy 31:14-15, although the number of appearances quickly increases with every mention of the glory of the Lord appearing. You also have the Angel of the Lord being treated as interchangeable to the Lord proper in Zechariah 12:8, so take that for what you will, I believe we shouldn't ignore it. The first passages I would mention are the ones I mentioned first.

You also have a whole entire category of appearances, of Jesus dealing with the sure prophecy of his coming. This is a whole other category full of references, just to name some Genesis 3:15, 22:17, 49:10, Deuteronomy 18:15 (John 5:46 of course), 2 Samuel 7:12, Job 19:25-26, Psalm 2:7-12 (KJV), Psalm 8:5-6, Psalm 89:3-4, Psalm 91:11-13 (confirmed to be him in Matthew 4:6-7), Psalm 110:1, Proverbs 30:4-5, and Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6-7, Isaiah 11:1-5, Isaiah 40:3, Isaiah 42:1-4, Isaiah 44:1-3, Isaiah 45:22-25, Isaiah 53:10-12, and Daniel 7:13-14, Daniel 9:26, Jonah 2:6, Micah 5:2, Zechariah 6:12-13, Zechariah 9:9, Malachi 4:2-3, and others that can be multiplied beyond this, that line up with these things, especially once also lined up with the New Testament, (Psalm 22:16, 34:20, 69:21, 118:20-23, 1 Kings 8:59, Isaiah 61:9-11, 65:9, 66:22, Jeremiah 14:9, 31:31-34). If you know of any others you can feel free to add to this.

>>836806

>source: dude trust me

>>836810

Out of the top of my head, Psalm 34:8 is about communion and the tetramorph for the 4 evangelists. Many Psalms talk about washing away sins as a sign of baptism, too.

>>836792

This could slightly be off topic, but may be somewhat related but also possibly a sensitive topic. Before I became Orthodox I read all sorts of slightly esoteric stuff. I read a book by Ernst Benz entitled Christian Kabbalah that mentioned how during the 1500s Christian protestant ministers were using the Kabbalah teachings of the first three sephiroth to convert Jews, in particular a few prominent Rabbis, over to Christianity by showing them how this represented the Trinity. The initial text that contains the description of the sephiroth is from the Sefer Yetzirah but that only dates to the 3rd-4th century but is based on earlier teachings. So I imagine that they did indeed have a primitive understanding of the trinity and most likely attempted to obscure it further with satanic kabbalistic jargon in order to keep people from converting.

The concept of a trinity goes back much further than Christianity.

>>836821

>I read a book by Ernst Benz entitled Christian Kabbalah that mentioned how during the 1500s Christian protestant ministers were using the Kabbalah teachings of the first three sephiroth to convert Jews,

The jews weren't the ones being converted, the alleged Christians dabbling in satanic witchcraft were the ones that got converted. The idea of a 3 in 1 god goes back much further than Christianity.

>>836833

>The jews weren't the ones being converted

No, there were a number of Jews that were converted as a result of the their efforts. It wasn't for very long of course, but it did happen. I suggest giving the book a read, it is a short but pleasant work. It isn't some sort of how-to /fringe/ book but an academic treatise.

>>836832

>what is the difference between trinity and tritheism

Summer is near for sure

>>836835

>No, there were a number of Jews that were converted as a result of the their efforts.

no they weren't. The "christians" dabbling in kabbala were no longer Christians. kabbalah is babylonian mysticism and it's the basis for every satanic religion in the world. The Jews didn't convert to Christianity, the christians converted to freemasonry

>>836836

the word of God is written into the fabric of reality so it's not odd that humanity discovered aspects of God long before the bible was written.

>>836856

If your not interested fine don't read it, but you don't have to blatantly lie about the contents of a book you haven't read. God bless you, anon.

>>836858

>what is the difference between trinity and tritheism

Summer is near for sure