53501b No.836319
Catholics could you control your closeted gays? Its embarrassing and blasphemous.
https://nitter.net/JamesMartinSJ/status/1267570417419550726?s=20
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4e7cfc No.836321
Is Father Martin really comparing Floyd George, a felon who robbed a pregnant woman by putting a gun to her belly and died because of a drug overdose of fentanyl and meth, to Our Lord Jesus Christ?!
I must be reading this wrong.
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53501b No.836322
>>836321
You're reading it correctly
One true church right?
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c788af No.836323
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473fe9 No.836325
>>836319
Why can't the Jesuits shut up their libfaggots? To the outside world they look more like the society of jews than the society of Jesus. I graduated from a Jesuit school and knew conservative Jesuits but the kind of image the vocal ones create for themselves makes me embarrassed to list my education.
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53501b No.836326
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46f627 No.836329
>>836323
Just way for the kneelers in their mass=
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473fe9 No.836331
>>836326
Huh, they actually are the society of jews.
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d5308d No.836332
Got a new God to worship?
Do what Catholics want.
But I leave church.
Catholics can fill their church with these new Gods, LGBT, aliens, and tell everyone their faith in Jew-Christianity.
Because the only thing they want and the only faith they have is power. They are concerned about how many people in their church listening to their bulls—.
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4e7cfc No.836333
>>836322
You're going to say the entire Catholic Church is false because one person in that church said something that was wrong?
I wasn't judging LGBT… I was saying that the Catholic Church says the sin of sodomy is a sin that cries out to God for vengeance.
What Pope Francis or Father Martin says isn't necessarily the teachings of the Holy Mother Church.
>>836323
No. Mr. Floyd killed Mr. Floyd by doing illegal drugs, breaking the law and then fighting the cops. It gave him a heart attack. Mr. Floyd is not Our Lord and Our God and it is sacrilege to say he is.
>>836325
Sometimes, I think Father Martin isn't catholic, and is leading souls to hell.
The way the devil works is first by the little corruptions.
>>836332
I don't have a clue what you're on about. Aliens?
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53501b No.836339
>>836333
I'm saying that this is proof positive that the Roman church isn't the bastion of traditional Christian morality it's assumed to be by your camp on this board.
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c6727d No.836347
>>836339
>I'm saying that this is proof positive that the Roman church isn't the bastion of traditional Christian morality it's assumed to be by your camp on this board.
That's because this board is mostly tradcats who live off a steady diet of Aquinas and Denzinger. But even they know those days are largely over. All the way from the lowly Mexican witch granny folk Catholics to the Vatican communists themselves at the highest levels. They know it, but deny it and suffer from cognitive dissonance. Or they become outright heretics and sedevacantists…and are Protestants in their own strange way.
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4e7cfc No.836349
>>836339
You're using the broad brush fallacy to slander the church.
I'd be just as at fault if I said the Baptist churches are not moral because of folks like Steve Anderson.
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c50f53 No.836351
>>836347
And what do you expect us to do, stop identifying as Catholic because invaders zerg rushed us? Are white Americans going to stop identifying as American due to mass immigration? No. They aren't Catholics. They're foreign infiltrators.
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c6727d No.836356
>>836351
Hardly. I don't mean to give the impression that I want you to change. If anything, I wish to befriend traditional Catholics. These are dark times, my friend. I sympathize, even if I disagree on many ecclesiastical points. I, for one, think we agree on even more important theological and moral points that I'm willing to ignore that.
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b1d94a No.836360
>>836351
Perfect explanation right here.
The Catholic Church is still the OHCA Church, but even the faithful Catholics know that it has been infiltrated. Heck, many of our Saints predicted that it would. Our Lady of Fatima practically prophesied it, and then appeared at Akita to confirm it. To me, all of this corruption is just an indication that the Catholic Church is valid. Sad torturous even but valid nonetheless.
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53501b No.836365
>>836349
1, that's not what slander means
2, I'm not painting anyone with a broad brush
3, Baptist churches are independent. My church doesn't have anything to do with Steven Anderson.
Steven Anderson isn't really a good example for you though, he's literally banned from entering several countries for mission work on account of his anti homo public teaching.
>>836360
Please spend some time seriously reconsidering. You've kind of built yourself up an unfalsifiable position regarding "the ohca church".
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996ba9 No.836368
>>836351
who dis anime grill?
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3811da No.836371
>>836333
>What Pope Francis or Father Martin says isn't necessarily the teachings of the Holy Mother Church.
What they say are the teachings of the "church" that they represent; they are the leadership there. Are you saying they aren't? If you want to say what they are saying isn't the truth, then just say so, because Christians all agree it isn't. What they say goes against the truth, which is God's word. It seems like you want to believe the truth but insist on calling it something other than that. So you try to make yourself arbiter of what is or isn't the "true teachings" even if the very leaders are going on stage saying things that go against what you say, in other words denial. The sad thing though is everyone sees what those leaders are saying, and nobody is really listening to self-declared popes who try to arbitrate, based purely on their own selfsay, which statements are the true teachings and which ones are the false ones. Why should anyone listen to you in other words, with regards to what the RCC actually teaches? Its very leaders are contradicting you. What we agree is that those leaders (unless you want to dispute their leadership over that "church" as well) are wrong, and obviously not speaking the truth. I just say they do represent the RCC, while you say they don't, even though you admit they are its leaders.
At this point, you've argued yourself into a strange box of your own personal design, which is unfalsifiable, because you somehow are more competent to judge what are the teachings of an institution than its own leaders are. And I think that's where most of these supposedly "agreeing" people are, they all have their own version of hand-picked quotes they agree with, and try to claim they're all together by denying this fact, which is an obvious fact. The sad thing is, this is an attempt to argue truth by majority, which itself isn't even true. You're allowed to argue yourself into that box, but don't try to act like it's a logical position and expect people not to notice. The simple fact is they've been wrong all along, and historically, Christians have been persecuted by the state church. That's the truth of what really happened.
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4e7cfc No.836372
>>836347
Which is it?
First you assert that there are communist in the Vatican at the highest levels…
Then you assert that some Trad catholics are Heretics and sedevacantists.
Since Catholics can be neither Freemasons or Communist as it is automatic excommunication, and the Pope must be Catholic, if they believe the Pope to be, say, a communist then the Pope is not Catholic and not a true Pope and the seat is either still with Pope Benedict or empty.
Not saying he is…
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4e7cfc No.836373
>>836365
Offers to reconsider one's Catholic faith from someone who denies their own bad faith arguments is not even tempting, but reassuring that the Catholic Church of Pope Pius XII was the one true Church.
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4e7cfc No.836374
>>836371
>What they say are the teachings of the "church" that they represent; they are the leadership there. Are you saying they aren't?
Leadership isn't the teachings of the Church. Our beliefs are written down, especially after the tragedy of the Reformation. The Catechism of the Council of Trent, the various true Church councils. Even a Pope cannot change that as the Church is eternal and the beliefs can't change.
>It seems like you want to believe (bad stuff follows)…
What it seems to you. Well, I guess damn me then.
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53501b No.836379
>>836373
What bad faith argument?
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c6727d No.836384
>>836372
I don't consider them heretics if they're traditionalists. Wrong on ecclesiology, but largely orthodox on the majority of values shared by traditionalists everywhere. Most definitely people I'd rather join with in a united front rather than leaving them to the wolves.
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c6727d No.836385
>>836384
Just to add, I'm not really saying anything unusual. Take abortion, for instance: This is something all decent Christians present a united front on.
I'm just saying there are more things we can do that with.
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3811da No.836388
>>836374
The truth is "bad stuff"? Why are you so insistent on trying to make me seem unreasonable, Should I have just acted like I read your mind and told you that without giving you any opportunity to explain if it was different than it seems, or should I base what it seems like based on your posts? Anon, you're being highly unreasonable by complaining and it comes off as being whiney because you don't have an answer so you just whine and moan about supposedly being treated unfairly because I said it seems like you want to believe (the truth). ← the part you removed
I never said damn to anything. Stop falsely accusing me.
>The Catechism of the Council of Trent, the various true Church councils. Even a Pope cannot change that as the Church is eternal and the beliefs can't change.
What the leaders say actually has credibility towards what their followers follow. You aren't one of those leaders. Ergo, for all I know you're a dissenter. So before saying anything else, tell us why anyone should listen to you in particular.
Are you making yourself a new leader?
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ed9d91 No.836393
You can not compare the innocence of Jesu to some negro
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53501b No.836397
>>836393
Well let's not say that. There are plenty of black Africans who are washed in the blood on the lamb, this one probably not included.
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