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>>835406

>a second being that lives inside your head with their own personality

Sounds like a demon to me, but could be just a strong fantasy you got yourself into.

this is exactly what i expect from anime posters

>>835406

I'm confident that it's a demon.

Ask it to say the following and feel free to report its reaction: "I love Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Saviour. I love Mary. She is my Mother, my Queen and is greater than Satan. Satan is not anti-Logos because Satan is a finite creature and thus, cannot rival someone infinite."

I was about to make a tulpa myself, you see. At that time, I believed in the New Age idea that not all spirits were hostile and that some were in fact neutral. I feel comfortable presuming that you're a believer in this idea as well, in which case, I'd also like to see you attempt to explain why your "innocent" tulpa had so much issue with saying these words.

>>835406

That's just a spirit larping as a tulpa for you. Tulpas don't actually exist. You have complete control over your imagination other than what spirits project into it. Best case scenario, it's an Angel or Saint, but since you said it gets you involved in liberal asshattery like vegetarianism it's probably a demon. Hopefully, it's just a not yet so holy ancestor in purgatory though.

>>835406

This sounds like something I used to do as a child that developed into the ability to run simulations in my mind.

As far as another being inside you that’s what every true Christian with the Holy Spirit has. The difference between a mind that can run simulations and the Holy Spirit is that the simulations are separate from reality and many times don’t prove correct. The Holy Spirit on the other hand guides you in life and at some point you realize it’s not just your imagination, it’s a living thing guiding you and picking you up on your feet and teaching you things that you couldn’t have possibly come up with yourself. Sometimes the Holy Spirit activates a simulation in order to teach you something, or to see where your heart is on a specific matter. Sometimes it gives the characters in the simulation roles to play and you just assume it’s your mind running, as it keeps going it’s able to pull emotions out of you and study your heart.

The human mind and body is designed in a way that it can accept spiritual creatures in it and give them power over you. The only Spirit Being that God The Father allows a person to accept in them is the Holy Spirit. Anything else is demonic. If you want this Spirit, and if it’s not already in you (since it’s getting you through hard times), you must abstain from fornication, idolatry, and murder. Then in prayer to God, tell Him you accept Him into your life through his Son Jesus Christ. This is what’s needed to have the only Spirit that’s allowed by God. All others are evil.

But it sounds like your just using your imagination. The weird thing is it’s helping you, it might be more than your imagination. If it was an evil spirit it should be telling you to do evil things. Also it wouldn’t be a good sign if you can’t control your body, I’ve never experienced That before.

I’m letting my mind run now. What your doing sounds like nothing but an active imagination from what you’ve posted. When I lost all my friends and went into isolation for a similar amount of years, I developed a stronger form of what your talking about. The world calls it schizophrenia (making it into a mental illness). It’s actually just the result of a powerful mind. Use it wisely.

>>835406

The vegetarian thing is weird though. I can go into this more but it’ll take a while. A short temporary vegetarian lifestyle is healthy. But you’ll die slow and sick without meats. Get some cow in you.

This post probably deserves it's own thread but I feel it's very relevant to op. I used to be (and hopefully still am) a pretty imaginative child. There were tons of original characters my brother and I would create with lego pieces and have them battle and do missions. But there was one that was pretty different. Once while sitting down and imagining him doing battle he confessed to being Lucifer. I didn't really care too much and just ignored most everything the character said anyway without taking it seriously but my brother became absolutely enthralled with him, from his tendency to try to exert control from the shadows through rumors to his agenda to flip everything on its head and make the least important the most important. I kind of want to correct my brother, but I'm not sure how to approach him about it. My current plan is I'm writing a short story were one of the characters is an incarnation of him and uses deceit to seem like a wise sage until he betrays everyone in the end. How would you guys approach him about this?

>>835415

That’s tough. I’m not sure. If he’s slowly enjoying the villain type characters in his head I’de be worried too. Personally I’m always yelling and accosting such characters in my head. Maybe that’s just the demons way of testing me time to time. I find that they try to entice me with their powers and see if I’ll adopt them in my mind. I never do, I don’t even nibble on that bait. I opt for God’s power instead. No joke, this just may be how they approach people and tell where they stand. I think a lot goes on in our minds that we chuck up to just our imaginations. Them testing us is not the same as being possessed by them. I strongly feel that for them to get a solid hold on your mind, you must do bad in real life.

>>835416

I should probably start using my imagination more to address spiritual problems. I have Bipolar which Fr. Ripperger says is a demonic affliction. I thought maybe if I just try to stop thinking about bad things everything will get better but it didn't. I should probably sit down and navigate my imagination for a while to see if I can solve things that way rather than ignoring it or looking for physical solutions. Ripperger did claim that he can cure Bipolar though, so if I ever do get the honor to meet him I will certainly ask him about that. I wouldn't assume every mental illness is spiritual though. Bipolar is the only one I know of he said is explicitly spiritual.

>>835418

What is it you do that makes you think your bipolar? Many who call others bipolar only do so because they see them change from One emotion to the other. They don’t see the steps that take place in the person’s mind. It’s one thing to be happy at one time then have a simulation that goes through your mind and are angry the next minute. It’s totally another when it flips on and off like a switch with no reason at all. For me it was never like a switch. If it’s after a thought or simulation in the mind, you are likely not bipolar, possibly just afflicted with negative thoughts that creep up into your heart.

In my experience, when I was in my depression, I would be sad and the Holy Spirit would give me happy simulations. I would spend the next hour or day in bliss. Afterwards the demonic forces would remind me of the doubts I had and I would go back to hopelessness. The people around me though I was bipolar. But I was normal, just caught in a tug of war in my mind between angels and demons. I never committed fornication, idolatry, or murder. Thank God because that was crucial. So this tug of war kept going for years until I realized that it’s a real war, and I needed nothing but information to cure it. As time passed I slowly got answers to the questions the demons were putting into the simulation. They stopped with that specific question, and focused on others. After I realized I’ve been given the answers to their questions they began to panic and regroup and think. It came down to one last question. God gave me the answer, then with no tools left they began to bring up old questions which I developed a small immunity to. That small immunity grew as well into a complete shield. Now I’m normal. The depressions gone. So is the hatred I had for God, making all future attacks by them something they think twice about. The last attempt to attack was a week or two ago, they managed to keep it up for an hour or two. Even that was an act of desperation by them and they put everything they had into it, and it didn’t effect the people around me, nor my plans for the day.

>>835422

I'm actually diagnosed with it.

>>835423

Let’s put worldly diagnoses to the side for now. Do you change after thoughts?

>>835424

Well from my perspective, my emotional state seems to hinge on what's happening to me both in the physical moment and in the realm of thought.

>>835426

Let’s start with the easy one, physical.

>>835426

If you feel it’s none of my business of course you don’t have to tell me anything. Or you can just tell me what your comfortable with. I am a stranger after all.

Demons

>>835446

I don’t think I should be on this board in the evening. Everything everyone says becomes hilarious to me, and in the mornings It’s the opposite.

>>835446

Of course the initial act is one just imagining something where there is nothing but yes, this is an open invitation for an actual spirit to start playing the role.

>>835406

What you describe is an evil creature gradually leading you along the path of destruction. It doesn't start off as abusive.

>>835465

Not something to worry about with the Holy Spirit anon. Don’t show such fear to demons. Also they can’t test you without Father’s permission (book of Job). If your fighting one, it means the Father knows you can handle it. We’re all subjected to demonic attacks every day. Their attacks reveal our weak points. No child pampered becomes a man.

>>835465

Demons are usually violent and abusive. Since it has some odd agendas like veganism I doubt it's a Saint. It's probably a soul in purgatory which can be good or bad. Unfortunately, we become like those we surround ourselves with.

>>835494

I disagree, I think evil is gentle and soft spoken.

Many orthodox saints relate demons delivering false grace and peace, doing good deeds and miracles and taking the form of Christ, angels, etc.

The common trope is them praising someone for their faith and calling them to joint prayer, though there are variations. In general, they praise you, you can know it's a demon.

>>835406

>So, what do you Christians think she is? Heresy? A demon? An angel (she likes it when I call her that)? A pretty weird psychological phenomenon? Actually just me? Something completely different?

I mean, you summed it up pretty well without needing anyone to answer it.

So what do you want to hear from us?

>>835507

Yes the devil comes to us in the form of a friend sometimes, that is true. However, their lies become very obvious to people sooner than most think. No lie is perfect and if the demon can’t get what it wants it’s real face starts to show. Again we are not to let our guards down, but we definitely shouldn’t be afraid of our own imaginations. It’s comparable to being afraid of your own shadow. People are far more dangerous than our imaginations. We can’t become superstitious either. These beliefs you share along with most Catholics, sound much more like superstition. I feel like many here have never really struggled with a demon, they are not to be feared in such a way as to cause terror or superstition. If they show themselves in our dreams or imagination, then take care of it, that is if you have faith in who resides in you. If it’s real in the first place. Don’t forget we can imagine anything. They can only make us put our guard down with truth first. At some point they have to introduce evil to us if they really are a demon. Do we not know what evil is if we know good? Do we not know what good is if we know evil? A lot of what many of you say is the definition of cowering to demons. If you know you have the Holy Spirit why do you cower? At your own imaginations no less. I can spit on a demon’s face in my imagination. I can hurl them into the depths of tartarus. I can slap them across the face and or blow them away. My mind is where I have the most power. If a demon is so foolish that he actually thinks he has a shot going toe to toe with me in my mind then they truly are stupid. Also, when an evil spirit is driven out of a mind it comes back to see if it’s clean and empty. If so it gets 7 of his friends and returns to that mind. But if the Holy Spirit lives in the person they can’t enter. They run away if they see the Holy Spirit. Our biggest fear should not be demons, our biggest fear that should cause us the most terror is grieving the Holy Spirit to a point that She says, “enough with your wickedness, I’m leaving”. Once this happens, demons blitz for your mind. You can’t destroy yourself with your mind, you can only destroy yourself with your actions. A person’s actions to others are what grieve the Spirit. Idolatry is a major sin, yet many of you kneel before the cross, same as bowing to it, do you actually believe Jesus wants you to bow to the image he died on? Someone has convinced you so, and that man is the evil one. This is just one example that demons use those you trust more than your own imaginations. Do you clutch rosaries while you pray? God told us to not use items in prayer. Whoever does this makes the Spirit cringe. Do you believe the pope or priests can bless an item? Then you are believing in cursed items. Would an angel live in an item? I only know of demons that do this.

>>835406

>erwin one too because i am a pretty big fan of Girls und Panzer

based.

That being said, I don't know if one could classify it as a demon. Demons usually have an aversion to all things holy and want you to avoid devoting yourself to Christ, prayer, reading the Bible, etc.

I would say what some other anons have suggested and ask it to praise our Lord Jesus Christ, but that's usually because demons who try to enter into our lives in such a way often do so under the guise of an angel or a saint. Assuming that "she" isn't a demon, it would still probably give you the "I don't believe" excuse. Honestly I just feel like it's something you've conjured up in your mind. It doesn't sound like "she's" asked you to do anything besides become a winnie the pooh vegetarian so just keep your eyes peeled.

>>835507

>They praise you, you can know it's a demon

I agree that demons who appear to us and others often try to play on our pride by insisting we are righteous or holy, etc. Yet there are examples of actual angels appearing to congratulate the faithful on their devotion to God and faith in Christ. The most obvious example being Gabriel appearing to Mary.

>>835608

The angel did not praise her and her, being full of grace, was rightfully startled by Gabriel. All Prophets were fearful, as well. The truly righteous always consider themselves unworthy of God. The Lord can only be seen by those who see themselves as sinners, not by those who take themselves as righteous.

This is much different from what Italians invented by St. Catherine of Sinai that Christ asked for her hand in marriage, for example. Much different from that case of a Russian medieval peasant who wished to kill his son because he had a (demonic) vision of him being as great as Abraham. Much different from sensual feelings of being crucified within the body of Christ like Francis of Assisi did. This is called prelest or self-deception and we have many texts about it.

>>835563

>do you actually believe Jesus wants you to bow to the image he died on?

I bow to the cross he wished to die out of love for us. When he suffered, he decided to suffer. I bow to the Lord's will that wishes to save men.

>>835608

I think you're mostly right. I just disagree on tulpas being a purely psychological phenomenon. Op is totally in contact with something suspicious from the other side but for reasons you said I doubt it's a demon. It's probably someone in purgatory contacting him, hence the lack of complete alignment towards either good or evil. Honestly, I see no reason for op to treat it any differently than a friend in the flesh if that's the case. If he starts using it for weird occult stuff though I'd be worried.

>>835626

OP is clearly a lonely young man, harboring thoughts with a little anime girl he alone can hear will further alienate and hurt any chance of him regaining faith and a healthier community.

Listen to yourself.

>>835622

The Lord didn’t want to be on that cross. He told God if it’s possible to remove that responsibility. He died for us. The meathod didn’t matter to Him. You worship idols. You said that with your chest pumped didn’t you?

>>835628

Lol, nowadays healthy communities are a url away. If anything having a direct relationship with a spirit friend should make him completely immune to atheist propaganda.

>>835629

Yes, he did. He wished to do the will of the Father.

>>835635

Yes. The will of the Father. His will was to die for us but if possible, not to. He loved us and he did. But He didn’t want us to bow to that cross. That has nothing to do with worshiping him. It is an idol created by man.

It was two pieces of wood that the man on his left and right died on as well. That is all. You worship an idol.

>>835636

His will is to do the will of the Father. The will of God is to be worshiped and bowed down to for it saved the world.

What then do you believe saved the world? Christ's passion? The thieves at his side also suffered much…

>>835638

God does not live in objects. God Hates the graven image and statues and symbols. We bow to God when we see Him. We bow in prayer if we must, but never to an image. God said he hates such things.

Man says to God, “No! This is different lord! It’s an image of your Son!”

God says, “I don’t care! It’s an image! An idol! Was I not clear, earthly man?!”

God was very clear. No idols. The depiction of Jesus on your cross is not even what he looked like. It’s a guesstimate. No one knows what he looked like. Even so an idol is an idol. Brother, this is a serious sin. I’m so sorry you weren’t corrected sooner. I’m so sorry you’ve been sinning this whole time. I know this is excruciatingly painful to hear. I’de be a mess if I learned it so late in life.

>>835621

>Christ asked for her hand in marriage

>the feelings of being crucified within the Body of Christ

>this is called prelest

No, this is called having a close relationship to the Lord. It's a gift from God to be able to experience him in such a personal way. That being said, I agree that we should never think ourselves holy or righteous by our own merit.

>>835425

It's a little bit late but it always bothered me: are you talking about me? Do you think that I underwent demonic possession by making a tulpa? If you re-read my post, you'll see that what I said was merely that I was about to make a tulpa - I never said I made one myself.

Unless you believe an interest in New Agey stuff is demonic possession, in which case, while I don't believe interest in such topics could be classed as demonic possession, I do think demons play a role in people's temptation to go down that road (although arguably, in some cases, it is simply curiosity).

>>835494

Purgatory or Church Suffering is not where "neutral" souls go. They died in a state of grace and so they are on their way to heaven, they just need purification first as they did not attain perfection in this life. Where did you get this erroneous notion that the souls in purgatory were neutral? All they desire is God. That's not neutral at all.

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=OtFSG65p_Vk