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9b6ebb  No.833831

catholics

>matthew 16:18

orthodox

>colossians 1:29

protestants

>ephesians 2:8-9

:,)

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1d27be  No.833833

Just wondering why that one for Orthodox?

also for the Normie Boomer Denomination

>John 3:16

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c68f9b  No.833845

>>833833

We genuinely like challenges when working for, with, and within God. Read Proverbs 3:12 and Hebrews 12:8.

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3b76ca  No.833894

>>833833

Essence-energy distinction.

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6d3119  No.833896

>Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

>verse 10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I have a few questions. Does grace come after or before faith? If after, then is it ok to boast about faith? If before, then shouldn’t we focus on the general truth that is we should not boast of our being able to be saved, as God has given us both the ability to have faith and do good works through that faith?

And another thought I’ve been having is, just how important are those works through faith? How perfect should we really be? There are many verses in the NT that clearly say we will be judged according to our deeds, so isn’t it really important that we do good works? When exactly are our sins taken away? I’ve always had this unthinking assumption that our sin will be taken away as soon as we die, simply because we believed in Jesus, and that everyone will magically become equal in heaven, but the more I read the more this doesn’t make sense. Are we not preparing our place in heaven (or hell) through the actions we take every day? Jesus says that some will be the “least in heaven,” so there is clearly a hierarchy of sorts, based on the life you live. Now I’m not familiar with Protestant theology per Luther, Calvin, etc. and what these men actually wrote, and how they may emphasize and explain these verses and ideas, but for the most part, American Protestants don’t seem very concerned with doing good works (though it must be said how lackluster in faith many American “Christians” are regardless of their denomination).

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11a963  No.833905

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>>833896

>Now I’m not familiar with Protestant theology per Luther, Calvin, etc

The most important takeaway is that you need to know that Sola fide is not antinomianism.

Works are inseparably associated with faith.

>American Protestants don’t seem very concerned with doing good works

Do you have any reason in particular to say this? American Protestants are the largest charitable group in the country

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6d3119  No.833912

>>833905

it’s just that I’m surrounded by Protestants, and many seem to think that they’re saved because they believe Jesus died for them. That’s it. That’s what kids are taught. That may be the problem right there. Kids are taught the simplified version “just believe in Jesus and you will go to heaven,” then they grow up and still believe the same simple thing. There’s so much emphasis on faith that people forget the part about good works.

And again, I realize that nominal Christians exist in virtually all denominations. This is a problem with multiple causes, including societal influences, bad parenting, not reading the Bible, etc.

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526c22  No.833915

>>833912

The hope with that teaching is that they will become faithful, and thus begin to do good works. good works is evidence of working faith. that is the protestant (or at least lutheran/baptist) interpretation of "faith without works is dead", just like "human without exhale carbon dioxide is dead". I'd suppose this can be contrasted with the catholic "human without breath in oxygen is dead", where carbon dioxide is incidental evidence to being alive, while oxygen is fundamental requirement for being alive.

or, if I wanted to put it more satirically, "human without oxygen cannot partake of the sacrament of confession or Eucharist and goes for an extended period of mortal asphyxiation and dies"

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11a963  No.833919

>>833912

My experience is the opposite

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