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83c661  No.826081

Has anyone heard about this? I've known about Hugh Owen and the Kolbe Center for awhile now, but I just found out about this 17 part documentary they made about the history of evolutionary theory. The first two episodes are free (just enter a fake e-mail and you can watch them) and it goes into some interesting history. I didn't know about the occult influences on Descartes and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

https://foundationsrestored.com/free-preview/

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6bc998  No.826082

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I read in the Catechism that the Church is good on science. Did something change?

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83c661  No.826084

>>826082

Evolution is a philosophy, not science.

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6bc998  No.826089

>>826084

The evolutionary hypothesis is a logical conclusion and a scientific hypothesis, it just takes an incredibly long time to test the hypothesis, far longer than a single human lifetime.

>Evolution is a philosophy, not science.

Science is a philosophy that requires experimental test to reject a hypothesis.

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d0da76  No.826090

>>826081

The idea that Christianity and evolution are in any way in conflict is absolutely for brainlets. Not that it matters anyway. Your salvation doesn't depend on your ability to grasp the meaning of genesis, it depends on your faith in Christ, in your ability to live faithfully.

Genesis literally describes the big bang and evolution. It's no coincidence that first there is a void of nothing. Then there is light, which also creates darkness. Then there is night and day. Then a firmament (atmosphere) dividing earth from heaven. Then land. Then plants. Then fish. Then animals. Then man. It's a very rough and primitive description of how the big bang and evolution are the work of God. Evolution isn't random and it isn't satanic, it's how God creates life. But you have to not be a literal brainlet to grasp this.

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83c661  No.826092

>>826089

Macroevolution cannot be tested, has no evidence, and flies in the face of what we know about mutations and genetics.

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83c661  No.826093

>>826090

>literally

That's not what that word means.

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83c661  No.826094

>>826090

I never said it was "satanic", I just said it was stupid.

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c33265  No.826096

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>>826090

Romans 8 is clear that death is a result of the fall. Ergo, Christianity is not compatible with evolution. Don't let them tell convince you that you're a monkey.

Wisdom 1:13

For God made not death, neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living.

https://orthochristian.com/93210.html

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d0da76  No.826098

>>826096

I know exactly what you're talking about, but it doesn't mean what you think it means. Try reading it again with an open mind. Try to think in spiritual, metaphysical terms. Or don't. No matter. You don't have to understand it to be saved anyway. God bless.

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c33265  No.826100

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>>826098

Whoops, I mixed up Romans 5 with Romans 8. Anyways, Scripture has a spiritual sense, true. But there is also generally a literal sense to Scripture. Read the link I posted… it addresses your objection. I think the understanding of creation is absolutely critical to having a correct anthropology.

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6bc998  No.826101

>>826092

>Macroevolution cannot be tested,

It can be tested in theory, just not practically because of the amount of time tested.

> has no evidence,

That's not true.

> and flies in the face of what we know about mutations and genetics.

write your paper. Academia awaits your refutation.

All it is right now is an explanation of past observations.

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79822c  No.828310

>>826082

>>826084

The current sense of the word "science" is an invention of the 19th century; before then the term referred to deductive knowledge more specifically (which would include philosophy, math, theology etc); more broadly it could also refer to knowledge in general, or of a particular topic (what we call "the seven liberal arts" were also called "the seven liberal sciences").

Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, etc were known as "philosophers" in their time. Philosophy about the "natural" world. Note that the word "nature" had a different sense than we ascribe to it today: the soul was considered "natural" as the body, and the word "supernatural" referred to things pertaining to God, His actions intervening in the created world. It wasn't until the 19th century that the term "supernatural" became predominantly used of ghosts and the like.

The natural philosophy of the pre-19th world was conceived of as philosophy. "Science" is supposed to be some sort of thing that is unique, and separate from philosophy. But really it's just a crude confusion of philosophy, history, and technology. The technology is usually good; the philosophy and history, very, very bad. What exactly "science" is supposed to be was never given adequate definition: the term was always a buzzword, used for PR purposes, by the natural philosophers of the day to try and pass their philosophy off as something greater than mere philosophy, something special and unique, something religious in nature, but it would never be called religious.

It would never be called religious, as the primary goal of said philosophers, in rebranding themselves as "scientists", was to create their own priesthood, that would supplant the social authority of the Christian clergy, and claim it for themselves. Science has always been a game of social status and advancement for scientists. They push ontological and epistemological (which is to say, philosophical) claims on the masses, claiming to have a better grasp on Truth than the Church did. The ontology they push is always nihilistic, and the epistemology nonsensical: the effects of this can be seen in the wider culture. Yet scientists are always quick to put up a front of their "science" being an objective path to truth, as opposed to the assumption-laden social construct it actually is. So many Catholics and other Christians, not learned in the history and philosophy of science, let themselves be beguiled into thinking its harmless, and indeed a real, objective thing that gives knowledge about the world. When really science is a delusion inflicted upon the masses, to support scientists social status, and their own delusions about themselves and the world.

This isn't to say everything we are told to think is science is bad, but rather that it being good or bad has no relationship to it being "science" or not. Science is a confused, delusional concept, which remains indeterminate but which people treat as determined: a contradiction. Since the rise of science in the 19th century we see people thinking more and more scientifically about the world: which is to say, nonsensically, contradictorily, preferring abstract fantasies to reality. As contradiction and delusion are all the idea of science is, no good can ever come of it. But people have been taught to conflate the development and functionality of technology with the bizarre philosophical and historical claims scientists make about the world. And as the education system by law mandates children be brainwashed in the religion of science, people have a hard time thinking of things they were taught to label "science" apart from the Science Delusion. Thankfully there are more people these days questioning the validity of science as a concept, but they are still a minority; most of the academic scientific antirealism work is produced and read only by godless secular academics. I'm one of the only Catholics I know who've taken an interest in it, but there is a wealth of literature in the history and philosophy of science that would be of use to Christians who oppose the false claims scientists make about history, ontology, and reality more broadly.

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8fbc5a  No.828318

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Relevant.

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6bc998  No.828321

>>826096

>Romans 8 is clear that death is a result of the fall. Ergo, Christianity is not compatible with evolution.

How does that follow? It looks to be a non-sequitur.

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d430d4  No.828330

>>826096

>try reading it again with an open mind, try to think in spiritual, metaphysical terms bro the sermon on the mount was just a metaphor too ;)

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e547ae  No.828400

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>>826092

People who would argue otherwise are fools trying to change Christianity to follow an atheist globohomo worldview. They are faithless vultures and need to be expunged from our midst.

They are not Christian as they cannot even follow the first book of the Bible without fedoraizing it and removing the supernatural power of God to speak everything into existence as He wills.

He spoke Creation into existence, and from out of His mouth will it be subdued. Amen.

<Psalm 33:9

>For when he spoke, the world began! It appeared at his command.

<Revelation 19:15

>From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress.

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e547ae  No.828401

>>826096

>old copypasta

Evolution, as it is taught, is secular gnosticism. Evolution and Darwinism assert that things came from a lower order and ascended to more advanced forms, ultimately spawning mankind. This is opposite to what is scientifically perceived and observed in mutation, that being that mutation causes a change up of what is already inside a given thing's genetics, and sometimes causes a loss of information. Mutation is not a net benefit to life. Mutation is entropy on a micro scale. Evolutionists do not value life, and see death as a natural occurrence, as the fit overcome the weak. [1]

Gnosticism teaches that man is on a low order of existence and will transcend/ascend by knowledge or "gnosis." Gnosticism is a heresy and perversion of Christianity and the biblical creation. It teaches that man was enlightened by Lucifer the lightbearer or liberator, and that the Creator God, known as the "demiurge," was an evil tyrant and ignorant god, not worthy of worship. Gnostics do not value life and see death as a natural occurrence, as those enlightened by gnosis live on and the ignorant perish and are reincarnated in a sense via the divine spark. [2]

In the Bible we are taught that death is unnatural and is a result of the Fall and sin. Jesus has been sent and through His sacrifice on the cross and resurrection, and our faith in Him, we are saved and our sins are washed away. We are told in the end that a new heaven and a new earth will be made at which there will be neither death nor suffering. [3][4][5][6][7]

Both Gnosticism and Evolution deny the biblical account of creation in Genesis, both the allegorical concept and the literal understanding, both old earth and young earth interpretations. Transhumanism is the goal of both gnostics and evolutionists. Transhumanism opens the alchemical door to eternal life, and denies the salvation of Christ.

Theistic evolutionists, in their ignorance, appeal to naturalism, rationalism, and the scientists of the age over the Word of God, and thus are useful idiots to the formerly mentioned heretical camps and give credence to their false doctrines, to the detriment of the faith in the inerrant Holy Bible and Word of God.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

[2] http://gnosis.org/gnintro.htm

[3] 1 Corinthians 15

[4] Romans 5:12-21

[5] 2 Timothy 1:7-10

[6] Acts 22:16

[7] Revelation 21:1-7

Psalm 118:8-9

It is better to take shelter in the LORD than to trust in people. It is better to take shelter in the LORD than to trust in princes.

Psalm 146:3-4

Do not look to nobles, nor to mere human beings who cannot save. When they stop breathing, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans evaporate!

2 Timothy 3

You must realize, however, that in the last days difficult times will come. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, unfeeling, uncooperative, slanderous, degenerate, brutal, hateful of what is good, traitors, reckless, conceited, and lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. They will hold to an outward form of godliness but deny its power. Stay away from such people. For some of these men go into homes and deceive foolish women who are burdened with sins and swayed by all kinds of desires. These women are always studying but are never able to arrive at a full knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. They are depraved in mind and their faith is a counterfeit. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those two men, their stupidity will be plain to everyone.

But you have observed my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, my faith, my patience, my love, my endurance, and how I was persecuted and suffered in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra. What persecutions I endured! Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. Indeed, all who want to live a godly life in union with the Messiah Jesus will be persecuted. But evil people and impostors will go from bad to worse as they deceive others and are themselves deceived.

But as for you, continue in what you have learned and found to be true, because you know from whom you learned it. From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures that are able to give you the wisdom you need for salvation through faith in the Messiah Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good action.

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972454  No.837069

>>826081

Thanks for recommending this. Tbh I have a hard time attempting to wrap my head around creation theories and I usually go with the literal account, but I can't help but ponder it even though I should be pondering my salvation more.

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4d87e0  No.837074

>>826101

The fact the discovery of DNA did not destroy evolutionist philosophy is enough for a sensible man to recognize bad faith.

>>837069

Pre-fallen nature cannot be discoursed over, neither can we discourse over New Creation.

Only through signs and symbols we can grasp something of it.

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e31639  No.838367

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