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▶ c94d5d (5)  No.821570>>821578 >>821685 >>821750 >>821777 >>822724 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

>be externalist (materialist)

>goals in life; get wealth, experiences and sex

>work hard to get them, requires sacrifice and suffering

>get them, become hedonistic degenerate

>live in fear of losing them

>meaningless existence, suffer despair at the emptiness

>OK, be internalist (spiritualist)

>goals in life; be close to God, have a family

>lack of material ambition means you end up suffering poverty

>still have to get by in the physical world

>inherently far from God in the physical world

>suffer separation from the divine (aka hell)

>suffering is the only option

Did God put us here to suffer? Is this purgatory? If Jesus saved us, why are we still on Earth at all? Please God just take us back to you. I don't understand what we're here to do anymore. I'm a sinner and Jesus Christ is my Lord. What more is there to learn? My flesh will always tempt me, I understand that. Why can't you just remove us from the fallen world already? I choose heaven.

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▶ c94d5d (5)  No.821576>>821577 >>821777 >>822736

I can accept having to stay here if I had any idea what to actually do.

It seems contradictory, if the world is evil then why is it a good thing to work, build things and accumulate wealth? And if that's not the right thing to do, what is? Have a family? OK but to do that you need to engage with the world too.

I just want to be with Jesus.

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▶ c94d5d (5)  No.821577

>>821576

But if this place is a test, I'm still confused because it seems the only true test is how much suffering and temptation you can endure.

So am I facing an entire life of suffering and temptation? Is that all there is?

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▶ f10e5e (1)  No.821578>>821581

>>821570 (OP)

Turn away from your arianism.

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▶ c94d5d (5)  No.821581>>821593

>>821578

What made you think that? My phrasing? I believe Jesus and God are one.

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▶ 9bca71 (1)  No.821593>>821616

>>821581

He meant albigensianism.

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▶ a8389b (1)  No.821596>>821616

Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I’ve lost… the comrades I’ve lost… won’t stop hurting… It’s like they’re all still there. You feel it, too, don’t you?

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▶ c94d5d (5)  No.821616>>821777

>>821593

>>821596

Does nobody have anything helpful to say?

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▶ eae947 (1)  No.821624

Christ enables our salvation. You aren't saved. If you want to be saved, prepare yourself by loving God, and loving your neighbour. Live with peace of mind.

Get by in this world, but remember what truly matters: reaching the Kingdom of God.

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▶ 05f96c (1)  No.821639

OP, is it better to have guts, or to be a wuss?

Presumably you'd agree it's better to have guts.

How do you imagine you would develop guts without suffering?

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▶ 9d8811 (1)  No.821685

>>821570 (OP)

Humans have limitations, therefore suffering is the price of existence. Only God exists without suffering because he lacks limitation. When man walked with God in Eden there was no suffering because everything was provided. but because of our fallen nature in this fallen world we have to bear the cross to purge the chains of sin to reach our heavenly father once again. Be glad we have a way out.

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▶ d43168 (1)  No.821708

Each time you suffer you're making a beautiful rose to present to the Lord when you die. How blessed are those who suffer! Even though their suffering is still nothing compared to the suffering of Jesus, it ennobles them and clothes them in the finest silks in heaven.

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▶ 843155 (1)  No.821750

>>821570 (OP)

>>lack of material ambition means you end up suffering poverty

Why? If you want to have a family, there's nothing wrong in striving to make money to sustain it.

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▶ a702e4 (1)  No.821777

>>821570 (OP)

>>821576

>>821616

I am struggling with these questions too OP. My best answers are that the suffering you describe from living as a spiritualist is just us still wanting to be a materialist, and the answer to what's the point of it all is beyond our limited comprehension and we must trust God. Let God do whatever seems good to him and be happy for what you have and covet nothing you don't. Hope that helps God bless.

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▶ 374a5e (1)  No.822724

>>821570 (OP)

Because suffering is the current & inevitable nature of reality. Learn to enjoy the struggle, to overcome it & push back. Unironically read the Bible - look at the lives of the Saints. Did they overcome through hiding on mountains? Well, some maybe - but most overcame the world through their actions. Walking with God in Faith, Hope and Charity IS the discipline & the answer. You should welcome adversity - every time you overcome it, you grow stronger. Every time you fail, it's an opportunity to grow. Faith, basically. You can rest when you're dead, for now War is your domain.

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▶ e73cbd (1)  No.822736

>>821576

The world is not evil

That's a disgusting heresy.

God created the world and saw that it is good.

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