74fa1c No.819819
Your friendly reminder that our Lord Jesus Christ founded only One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, and that you must be Catholic to be saved.
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53fb5a No.819820
Followers of the Catholic church are referred to as "Orthodox" nowadays. Just a heads up.
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5de5bd No.819830
>>819820
You misspelled "schismatics". It's okay, we all make mistakes.
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3d17b8 No.819837
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fab70d No.819870
>>819819
it's actually 8 on that list
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433a5d No.819872
> 5 Patriarchs
> 4 agree, 1 decides to go off the reservation
> The sole exception is the "True Church"
Seems legit.
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90a452 No.819876
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d51466 No.819903
I want to find the one true Church, but these threads always have one person claiming its Catholic another Orthodox. How am I supposed to know?
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8236c2 No.819908
>>819903
Whatever you do, don't let memes decide which Church you go to.
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ed856d No.819927
>>819908
Cannot stress this enough. Too many people in imageboards choose denominations based on memes. Instead of Deus Vult or begome memes, >>819903 , I suggest you look at the doctrinal differences between the two and at the history of the schism. On the latter, I suggest you this reading from a Catholic perspective: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13535a.htm
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e4d7f2 No.819933
>>819930
Not very charitable, friend.
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53fb5a No.819951
>>819903
Read the early church fathers and it will be clear that the Orthodox Church upholds the true Christian faith far better than the Catholic church. They didn't believe in nonsense like absolute divine simplicity, the filioque, priestly celibacy, or that the bishop of Rome is a galactic God emperor.
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8885a7 No.819954
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74fa1c No.819966
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>>819951
>absolute divine simplicity
This is a buzzword. There is no such thing as "ADS"–what you refer to is the Thomistic idea of Divine Simplicity, which is not dogmatic. You clearly are besotted with Jay Dyer.
>filioque
Eastern Saints teach it, and it's also a matter of distinguishing the persons of the Holy Trinity. Read Contra Errores Graecorum by Blessed Aquinas.
>priestly celibacy
The Eastern Fathers witness against the later Eastern practice with their clergy.
Clement of Alexandria
"Even Paul did not hesitate in one letter to address his consort. The only reason why he did not take her about with him was that it would have been an inconvenience for his ministry. Accordingly he says in a letter: "Have we not a right to take about with us a wife that is a sister like the other apostles?" But the latter, in accordance with their particular ministry, devoted themselves to preaching without any distraction, and took their wives with them not as women with whom they had marriage relations, but as sisters, that they might be their fellow-ministers in dealing with housewives. It was through them that the Lord's teaching penetrated also the women's quarters without any scandal being aroused" (Stromata 3:6:53 [AD 202]).
Cyril of Jerusalem
"For it became Him who is most pure, and a teacher of purity, to have come forth from a pure bride-chamber. For if he who well fulfils the office of a priest of Jesus abstains froth a wife, how should Jesus Himself be born of man and woman?" (Catechetical Lectures 12:25 [AD 350]).
St. Epiphanius
"Holy Church respects the dignity of the priesthood to such a point that she does not admit to the diaconate, the priesthood, or the episcopate, no nor even to the subdiaconate, anyone still living in marriage and begetting children. She accepts only him who if married gives up his wife or has lost her by death, especially in those places where the ecclesiastical canons are strictly attended to" (Panarion [AD 374-377]).
St. John Chrysostom
"If then he who is married cares for the things of the world 1 Corinthians 7:33, and a Bishop ought not to care for the things of the world, why does he say the husband of one wife? Some indeed think that he says this with reference to one who remains free from a wife. But if otherwise, he that has a wife may be as though he had none. 1 Corinthians 7:29 For that liberty was then properly granted, as suited to the nature of the circumstances then existing. And it is very possible, if a man will, so to regulate his conduct. For as riches make it difficult to enter into the kingdom of Heaven, yet rich men have often entered in, so it is with marriage" (Homily 10 on 1 Timothy [AD 393-397]).
>bishop of Rome is a galactic God emperor
Hello again, Jay Dyer. Florence refutes your entire religion, if the "Pentarchy" is to be upheld. And, lest we forget, ya'll also have female deacons which is a sacrilege.
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10d839 No.819987
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>>819966
>>filioque
>Eastern Saints teach it
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Even if they did, saints are still human and thus not infallible, nor do they have the single-handed authority to overrule multiple ecumenical councils. Councils that not only defined the creed in the first place, but also those that subsequently upheld its accuracy and forbade its modification.
You'd think that if the filioque was so clear, Popes wouldn't have been so hesitant about formally adding it to the creed, nor including it on publicly displayed plaques of the creed in Rome.
>it's also a matter of distinguishing the persons of the Holy Trinity
are you really implying the original nicene creed didn't distinguish them already?
>>priestly celibacy
http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/married_bishops
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-lifts-ban-married-priests-eastern-catholics-diaspora
To hold modern day priests to higher standards than Jesus held the apostles to makes no sense whatsoever.
>Florence refutes your entire religion
<Roman council asserts Roman supremacy
color me shocked.
>ya'll also have female deacons
In name only, not in function:
http://orthochristian.com/96538.html
And lest we forget, y'all have this:
https://www.vogue.com/projects/13543313/roman-catholic-women-priest-movement-giulia-bianchi/
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7ef385 No.819997
Catholics and Orthodox may never like each other and always think the others are poor heretical sinners but hopefully you can both agree that being either is still somewhat better in living a life oriented towards Jesus than being an atheist or, God forbid, 'pagan.'
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74fa1c No.820001
>>819987
>Even if they did
They do.
>overrule multiple ecumenical councils
Pope Saint Leo changed canon 28 of the Council of Chalcedon, a council you accept as infallible, immutable, using his Apostolic authority. What was the canon? A rogue declaration that the Patriarch of Constantinople had the same authority as the Pope.
The issue of Popes and the Filioque (and its addition to the Creed) is a very, very complex one, something that one could write books on. I'll defer to
https://erickybarra.org/2019/06/30/6690/
(Yes, he's a meme, but if we're allowed to give Jay Dyer talking points, I'll also point to meme resources)
The essence of the celibacy issue is that Christians always understood celibacy to be a higher state than marriage. From the start. Thus, clergy submitted to the ideal. I mean, Saint Augustine thought that sex within marriage was still a sin.
>Roman council asserts Roman supremacy
You miss the point. That if we are to use your grounds of orthodoxy (the Pentarchy) it would be a valid council, because the Pentarchy accepted it.
>In name only, not in function
Doesn't change the fact that you give them the sacrament of Holy Orders, when you give that to a female, it's a sacrilege.
>modernists that want female priests
Yes, modernism is a bigger problem in our Church than yours. But only one faith is true.
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10d839 No.820022
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>>820001
>Pope Saint Leo changed canon 28 of the Council of Chalcedon, a council you accept as infallible, immutable, using his Apostolic authority. What was the canon? A rogue declaration that the Patriarch of Constantinople had the same authority as the Pope.
And what difference does that make? The Church always viewed the patriarchs as being fundamentally equal. It was only during matters of dispute that a certain hierarchy of neutral arbiters was followed. And the most "authoritative" Patriarch in those matters was never static, but depended on which parties the dispute was between. See vid related with your homeboy.
>The essence of the celibacy issue is that Christians always understood celibacy to be a higher state than marriage. From the start. Thus, clergy submitted to the ideal.
The question isn't whether celibacy is ideal or not, it's why on earth it became the minimum requirement for all clergy in the west. You guys literally set the bar higher for average priests than for saints and apostles. How do you justify this massive hierarchical inconsistency?
>I mean, Saint Augustine thought that sex within marriage was still a sin.
Therefore, according to that reasoning, the "ideal" is for humans to not have children at all, and the church should make celibacy a minimum requirement for becoming catholic as well.
Even Augustine himself didn't meet these kinds of unrealistic standards.
>That if we are to use your grounds of orthodoxy (the Pentarchy) it would be a valid council, because the Pentarchy accepted it.
That is a biased and incomplete interpretation of utterly dubious events. Patriarch Joseph of Constantinople mysteriously died before signing anything in agreement to that Council, yet he magically managed to leave behind suspiciously latinized documents that casually agreed to all of the Pope's demands with no fuss whatsoever. How convenient.
http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/stmark.aspx
>Doesn't change the fact that you give them the sacrament of Holy Orders
Via prayers that are completely different from the ones used for men. The sacrament just designates the recognition of servants of God.
>when you give that to a female, it's a sacrilege.
Then explain why it's contained in the scriptures:
>I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea; that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and that you help her in whatever matter she may have need of you; for she herself has also been a helper of many, and of myself as well.
<Romans 16:1-2
>>modernists that want female priests
It's no longer just a "want" anymore, they successfully ordained those female priests.
>Yes, modernism is a bigger problem in our Church than yours.
Then what was your point in bringing up deaconesses at all?
>But only one faith is true.
And you're fighting it.
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925f0f No.820026
>>819903
You join the Catholics if you want clear answers.
You join the Orthodox if you want everything to be a mystery because they haven’t agreed on anything in over 1000 years and so just pass it off as a mystery and muh tradition and we can’t know.
Honestly the differences are minimal but the Orthodox will INSIST it is huge despite filioque being decided back in like 500 and they agreed with it then.
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ed856d No.820027
>>820022
>they successfully ordained those female priests.
From the article you posted:
>Still, the church forbids the ordination of women to the priesthood, and so the “Danube Seven,” as they’re now known, were all excommunicated after they refused to nullify their ordination by July 22, the day of the Feast of St. Mary Magdalene. For the uninitiated, excommunication goes something like this: The Danube Seven, and other women ordained after them, received word from the Vatican stating that they had violated canon law (the set of principles enforced by the hierarchical authorities of the Catholic church) and so were forbidden from administering sacraments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube_Seven
>The Danube Seven — Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger, Adelinde Theresia Roitinger, Gisela Forster, Iris Muller, Ida Raming, Pia Brunner and Angela White (the last a pseudonym for Dagmar Braun Celeste, the Austrian born former first lady of Ohio in the United States[1]) — are a group of seven women from Germany, Austria and the United States who were ordained as priests on a ship cruising the Danube river on 29 June 2002 by Rómulo Antonio Braschi
>Rómulo Antonio Braschi (born December 25, 1941) is an Argentine independent Catholic bishop, not in communion with the Catholic Church.
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ed856d No.820029
>>820027
To expand on this:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20071219_attentata-ord-donna_en.html
So no, no woman has been "succeessfully ordained". I hope you're just misinformed, though
Polite sage for double post
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f92962 No.820033
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>>820026
>You join the Catholics if you want clear answers.
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21358c No.821280
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d78a9a No.821283
>>821280
Bold move to post memes like that on /christian/
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4db05d No.821292
>>821280
>that second pic
Heh, finally Baptists admit being prots.
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208fa7 No.821295
>>821280
What I find hilarious is that Protestants are always projecting on to Christians that we never read the Bible, and yet they themselves have never even bothered to read through all of the Old Testament.
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5de5bd No.821306
>>820022
>The question isn't whether celibacy is ideal or not, it's why on earth it became the minimum requirement for all clergy in the west. You guys literally set the bar higher for average priests than for saints and apostles. How do you justify this massive hierarchical inconsistency?
Random thought: As the church grew, the requirements for a priest's time did as well. A priest would probably make a poor husband/father by virtue of the amount of time it would require to attend to the affairs of the church, conflicting with the time to attend to the affairs of their family.
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baf436 No.821314
>>821283
Surprised the memes are still up
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5de5bd No.821337
>>821283
Indeed. I've seen funerals with more humor tolerance.
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81b91a No.821357
>>821280
> Baptists pretending that Catholics sperg out over them
My sides. Stop.
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227e2b No.821362
>>819819
The only thing required for salvation is belief that Jesus is the Son of God. Seriously that’s all. This Catholic propaganda on this board is getting old
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890d69 No.821367
>>821362
Faith without works is dead. The vain protestant propaganda is getting old on this board.
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227e2b No.821371
>>821367
No works we can do can get us to heaven, only faith. Works are good and may get you to a higher level of heaven, but they have nothing to do with denominations
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74fa1c No.821377
>>821362
>The only thing required for salvation is that you die in a state of grace
So, we're in agreement.
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208fa7 No.821379
>>821371
The problem with your assertion is that people can have faith, yet not put in the work to change their lives to become perfect in God's eyes.
According to you an alcoholic can have faith and still obtain salvation, even if he is killing his body and getting drunk everyday. A sodomite can believe that Jesus is the one and only Son of God and still be a sodomite and still obtain salvation.
If they don't bother to put in the work and repent from their sins they will not be saved. Yes, it is a denominational issue because only prots keep pushing this sola fide garbage around.
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227e2b No.821381
>>821379
>If they don't bother to put in the work and repent from their sins they will not be saved
This is true, but this counts as the “faith part”, if you will, in becoming a Christian. Works means doing good deeds for His glory; nice but not necessary. If a disabled person truly believes that Christ is the way to heaven, but is unable to do any works, they’ll still achieve salvation.
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749e88 No.821395
>>821379
Why would a person want to live in sin after learning the truth and being in grace? To show that they truly have listened to the Word of God, they must show it as in a reformed person in their actions.
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208fa7 No.821397
>>821395
Repenting and freeing yourself from sin isn't just a one and done thing. If it were that easy we wouldn't have a NoFap thread stickied at the top of the board.
>>821381
Repentance is a work. It's literally something you choose to do.
>but disabled people
Disabled people can still commit sins and they too can repent from their sins as well.
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227e2b No.821419
>>821397
>Repentance is a work
I personally wouldn’t think saying “Father forgive me” counts as a work but I suppose it depends on personal definitions and interpretations of the Bible
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5de5bd No.821458
>>821419
Merely saying the words is not repentance.
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227e2b No.821463
>>821458
Then how else do you atone for your sins if they are paid in full by Christ’s blood other than accepting him as your Savior?
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2a1199 No.821464
>>819903
Read the Bible. If you're autistic enough, read the church fathers. There's a 10 volume set you can find online that compiles all known writings, see: http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html
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5de5bd No.821465
>>821463
>Matthew 7:21 - “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
>James 2 15-20 -
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
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5de5bd No.821466
>>821463
And on a more practical level, even the most protestant of protestants will understand that you're doing a lot more than uttering words when you "repent" and "accept".
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a163c0 No.821632
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847e06 No.821702
>>819872
>millions of deities, gods and faiths
>only one is true
Seems legit
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92b50b No.821704
>>819837
F*G BASED
>>819903
Do your own research with the best of your ability.
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