f22d9b No.802198[Last 50 Posts]
My friend invited me to mass Yesterday and I was blown away. I felt some spiritual and exalting about it that I can simply not feel in any Protestant Church that I’ve attended growing up. And I’ve always been fascinated by the traditions, history and culture behind Catholicism.
What do you say /Christian/? Should I do it?
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bf8b7a No.802200
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e5e568 No.802205
>>802198
Visit an Orthodox Church and get more information before making a hasty conversion. You may begome Orthodox.
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d4b647 No.802206
If it will draw you closer to Jesus Christ, then by all means
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dc5a70 No.802207
Myself I do not believe you should become Catholic (I believe in fact that it will condemn you), but listen to the grace of God rather than to a random anon.
I'm curious, did you go to a Paul VI Mass (Novus Ordo) or to a Tridentine Mass (TLM)? I ask because the TLM is often praised around here but I prefer the NO (haven't seen any of the "guitar and drums Mass" people talk about so much).
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6b8958 No.802208
>Should I convert to Catholicism?
Yes.
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5bdc7c No.802211
Do it! You may have things you feel uncertain about for now but go where the holy spirit is leading you and you will find answers.
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dc5a70 No.802212
>>802207
Also, here's a warning - don't let your immediate feelings make you take rushed decisions. Converting to a religion is a huge deal. If this exalted feeling ends up disappearing, and ends up appearing for another religion's service, or if you end up agreeing with another religion more than with Catholicism, you will be miserable and have taken an oath you can't follow through.
So, by all means, let this motivate you to study Catholicism and other Christian confessions of faith more seriously, and go to Mass weekly, but I don't recommend just going up to the priest next Sunday and telling him "can I convert now?", unless you feel extremely strongly about this and see no other reasonable option for you.
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5bdc7c No.802214
>>802212
Doing RCIA to convert to Catholicism usually takes about eight months, the classes typically go from August to Easter and there is no obligation to actually go through with it at the end of the classes if you decide against it. OP has plenty of time to think about what he wants to do. Just start showing up to Mass on Sundays and learning more.
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90674f No.802215
>>802198
>I want to become a Catholic
Reported
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cac02a No.802228
>>802198
>Should I do it?
Without hesitation.
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bfdf98 No.802244
>>802198
You should get involved and learn as much as you can. I had similar feelings the first time I went to a TLM service during the Feast of the Assumption of Mary. Took it as a sign to stick around so I learned as much as I could and became confirmed this Easter.
Keep going friend :)
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d4cc99 No.802255
>>802198
Well of course you got that feeling because Christ is physically present in every Catholic and Orthodox and Coptic and Syrian and Antionchian Church.
That being said, basing your faith on feelings alone is not a good idea.
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28867e No.802259
>>802198
You've already decided, God has lead you down this path.
YES
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fd6ed5 No.802268
>>802198
I'm a former Prot on the path to becoming Catholic. I'd advise you to attend Sunday Mass every week and study the Church in your free time while you meditate on whether or not to join; it should be a decision made wholeheartedly, or not at all. It took me a few months of study and several Masses before I could say in absolute certainty that the RCC is where I belong.
>I felt some spiritual and exalting about it that I can simply not feel in any Protestant Church that I’ve attended growing up
I know what you mean. I never want to step foot in another Protestant church again… can you believe that every one I've attended has complained about financial issues during their services, with some even outright blaming the congregation for not being generous enough? Dens of iniquity, they are.
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bb9fba No.802274
>>802198
>Should I do it?
Yeah
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063b69 No.802276
>>802214
>Doing RCIA to convert to Catholicism usually takes about eight months,
You're lucky! Where I live it takes two full years (europe) for non-christians. I actually don't have much problem with this, converting to a new religion, one which you have no prior connection to is a big deal and two years gives you enough time to decided if it's the right choice. My only concern is the baptism part, having to wait that long before you know you're saved is a bit daunting.
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bb9fba No.802277
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011e6e No.802284
>>802277
Nah, he comes off more as a bible-idolater than an Easterner.
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989c6d No.802288
No. While Roman Catholicism say they believe in grace through the mass and that their view of it originates to the apostles, it's pretty obvious that grace becomes more of an approval stamp/crutch for merit rather than understanding that the apostolic view of grace is more akin to mercy. It's even written that were adopted as sons by the grace of God, that's not something you can earn.
Of course, santifaction isn't to be ignored, however, that's really going to happen with the renewing of the Holy Spirit once you become reborn as a child of heaven. In Catholicism really the only person who has this is the pope under ex cathedra- So the whole idea of the words given through the biblical authors, like Christ's disciples, is foreign to the followers of the Vatican, and by implication, they have a weak relationship with the Comforter God sent to the church.
It's time to return the faith, which God instituted while on earth by becoming reformed and repent for glorious love!
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9e0d14 No.802305
>>802205
You act like people who join either EO or Catholic Church can't convert. I do advocate for Catholicism, though, even though I admire much of the EO Church I can't reconcile it with the many proofs for the Catholic Church being the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church.
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a28a37 No.802309
>>802305
I don't mean to be rude, but what evidence convinced you Anon?
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01a66f No.802330
>>802309
not that anon, but I think that whenever people choose between EO and RCC they should go for what feels closer to them and brings them closer to God. I don't think God is autistic enough (I'm using this as an expression because it conveys my point better) to care that much when you step in from of him to be judged and he'll say "you've raised a good family, you've been kind to your neighbors, and you attended mass every Sunday with your family, but boy you were born in the wrong part of the world. Sorry bud, it's Hell for you!". Those who are looking for God, will find him.
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dc5a70 No.802332
>>802330
Why not apply the same logic to atheists? Pagans? Muslims? "You did what you could, even though you were never one of My sheeps and never repented of your wickedness, so I'll give you a free pass"?
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8b1b15 No.802356
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c9f2b1 No.802364
>>802330
That's a funny webm, but it should be Miserere Mei, Deus instead on the main floor. But no, that's more of an EO dogma than anything. EOs tend to make fun of the Catholic Church for what they perceive to be "talmudic beancounting", but it is not considered beancounting by Catholics because of the theology at its foundation determining what constitutes union with Christ and what breaks that union.
>>802309
Pics related helped. There's really a lot to it and I am still figuring out what the theological differences are between Catholics and EOs. I know Catholic dogma pretty well, but I am just now diving into EO theology. My concerns are principally authoritative - who speaks with the authority of God? I believe that Peter is the rock upon which Christ founded His Church and that the gates of hell shall never prevail against it. I don't believe in the democratization of truth as the EO church does. God himself is non-democratic, but kingly. Authority and unity both come from one, not from consensus. Just as the man is the head of his wife Christ is the head of His Church, and the Pope is His vicar on Earth until He comes again in glory. EO permits 3 divorces, an arbitrary number and a theological principle that betrays reason. EO also has permitted the use of contraceptive in the past to prevent rape babies, though I am not certain if they still permit the use of contraception. The East cares principally for theology, and I admire their theological erudition, but the West does not prioritize theology at the expense of philosophy. Philosophy determines non-revealed truth, and such truth is eternally true. The principle of contraceptive being intrinsically evil does not permit for its use under any circumstance. Christ Himself said that divorce has never been permitted, yet the EO surprisingly allows it. The Catholic Church does not allow divorce under any circumstances and upholds Christ's words on the topic, only allowing annulment if there was a credible violation of a set of criteria that would qualify a sacramental marriage at the time of the marriage itself. I wish I could say the Church was truly universal still - practicing one liturgy in one language for all the world, but that has been changed. We can only hope for a reinstitution of the Tridentine liturgy once modernism blows over. This isn't the first time the Church has been imperiled, so I will stand at it's side faithfully. These are just a few, but the differences between East and West have grown since the Great Schism and the implications have only snowballed since.
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672a7e No.802374
I'm looking into becoming Catholic but I can't get past the idea of supporting a church that has no backbone when dealing with pedophiles in the clergy. Should I just have faith in God that there will be a purge eventually? How can I have complete confidence that the priests in my church aren't diddling kids, when I'm trying to find consolation/forgiveness through them? This problem is holding me back from taking the next step in growing with God. Wat do?
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238472 No.802380
>>802374
It is literally getting rid of them as we speak. Stop believing the memes you see on /pol/ and actually do the research. Heck, even the American Feds are getting involved.
See this post for more
>>802099
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01a66f No.802385
>>802332
Ever heard of the "problem of virtuous pagans"? In fact there are churches in Caesarea from the Byzantine age that depict greek philosophers like Plato and Aristotle on the frescoes on the walls.
>>802364
Well don't you think it's unfair that some inuit dude living in Siberia in 200 AD, even if he walked continuously directly to the borders of the Roman Empire his whole life he would never reach it, what *choice* does he have for salvation according to the RCC doctrine? Should implies can, but if he can't, what can he do about it? Never mind that he has never even *heard* of Jesus?
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a28a37 No.802388
>>802364
I won't comment on the other things since I don't really have the knowledge or words to do so, but often times divorce in the EO is a case by case basis. It's largely a case between the priest/bishop and the couple, and you can't get divorced for no good reason. Also remember that the idea that "Orthodoxy allows up to three marriages" is a misnomer (kinda). The ideal is to get married once and never divorce. In certain circumstances, if a marriage fails, after a period of penance and if one's bishop deems it better for the salvation of one's soul, one might be allowed to marry again. A third marriage would be in a case such as both previous marriages ending with the death of the spouse and there's young kids in the mix who need a two-parent household.
I don't mean to be hostile and am by no means an expert. I would recommend looking at more Orthodox sources for the topic, like these:
Orthodox_Catechism_of_Philaret.htm
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/pr_family.aspx
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a28a37 No.802389
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dc5a70 No.802390
>>802385
Virtuous pagans were before Christ however. Not after.
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01a66f No.802393
>>802390
But the issue is fundamentally the same, the virtuous pagans didn't know about christ at all, and so did many other people throughout history.
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dc5a70 No.802421
>>802393
The righteous before Christ were those who looked forward to the Messiah. The Jews did, but people of other religions also could. Some of the Greek philosophers found the Logos through philosophy for instance, and defended monotheism.
But no one after Christ can be called righteous anymore, without faith in Christ. He rescued the righteous out of Hell when He died, but now that He has returned to life and sits at the right hand of the Father, no one who ends up in Hell has a chance to leave anymore.
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d8b187 No.802456
>>802198
>Should I convert to Catholicism?
The answer is always no.
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9fdcfe No.802515
>>802198
>Should I convert to Catholicism?
The answer is always yes.
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01a66f No.802559
>>802421
But God chooses who to save and who to not save. We can't guarantee that *anyone* in particular is in hell, so I think that the deterministic approach of caths is wrong. Especially in the case of some Inuit who would, in your worldview, be screwed completely at birth.
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4cdc68 No.802565
>>802559
The Church has this notion of "invincible ignorance" - basically it was seriously discussed when they found the New World, because these natives were people who never, ever could have heard the Gospel. It was understood that, even though so difficult as to be nearly impossible, a person who has never heard the Gospel could be saved (or, at least, go to Limbo) if they lived without committing a mortal sin.
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c1a1f6 No.802569
No, go to an IFB Church. I agree the ones like in the pic you posted aren't good, but I don't know of any IFB Churches that are like that.
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01a66f No.802580
>>802565
so if they procreated would that be considered fornication since the church did not officially bless the marriage?
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47df00 No.802581
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e16d26 No.802598
>>802569
I wish you schismatics would cease to wilfully lead people to their doom.
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e49e47 No.802725
>>802598
>schismatic
Big talk coming from a Roman Catholic. Can you say "filioque"?
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674de7 No.802732
>>802725
Imangine being so autistic you protest Christ's appointed steward over something trivial like the filioque.
Get over it.
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e49e47 No.802736
>>802732
>over something trivial like the filioque.
>over something trivial like the filioque.
>over something trivial like the filioque.
>over something trivial like the filioque.
>over something trivial like the filioque.
Schismatics are hilarious.
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674de7 No.802737
>>802736
I agree, people like you are hilarious.
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e49e47 No.802739
>>802737
Good comeback. You really showed me. My spirit has been crushed. I can only attempt to comfort myself with the thought that when I go to church this Sunday I'll be listening to a 2000-year-old liturgy and the Catholics will be listening to a boring, modernist copy of Protestant worship services that's only 50 years old. A small comfort, I know, but somehow I will find a way to carry on.
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5cd261 No.802745
>>802739
You're welcome. I'll still pray for you.
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c20eff No.802844
>>802565
Is this really what Catholics believe?
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f2cdef No.802867
>>802580
As I understand it mortal sin must be committed with knowledge that the action is wrong and it must also be of a grave matter. Just my opinion and I could be wrong on this but to me it seems if they were trying to live virtuously by getting married as they understood it, that doesn't seem wilfully evil compared to something like murdering and stealing with deliberately evil intent.
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f2cdef No.802868
>>802844
I don't think it's dogmatic teaching that Catholics are bound to believe, as far as I know it's an idea that has been proposed by theologians to try to answer the question of what happens to unbaptized virtuous pagans, like how the idea of limbo has been considered for unbaptized babies.
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8aa258 No.802925
>>802844
We simply say it is up to God, which is true. If you care to research, even the Early Church speculated on the fate of men before the Gosepls, St. Justin Martyr in particular thought that "good men" like Socrates may have been saved because Christ is Logos.
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5dd8a8 No.802968
>>802569
Blessed meme, brother.
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0c59c0 No.814705
>>802330
anybody know what the doomer song is?
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044a2c No.814709
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ec3fca No.814710
>>802205
winnie the pooh off
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059a8e No.814720
>>802725
You mean the Filioque which was acknowledged to be true by the Church fathers prior to the schism?
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ddd47c No.814731
>>814729
I said prots werent christian from the catholic perspective in one thread and I got banned. So I'm doubtful
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869b0a No.814732
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ec3fca No.814767
>>814729
Based Papist mods
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710661 No.815149
>>815146
>le kissing equals worship meme
>le Quran is more than a work of fiction
>le big hat bad
Be more original.
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62c383 No.815154
>>815149
>"be more original"
>post the same pepe pope meme as every other papist anon on this board
>admits the Koran is fiction
Then why is your Pope kissing it?
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710661 No.815156
>>815154
He is being nice to the host that invited him over. Oh man! A pope being nice! The horror!
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62c383 No.815160
>>815156
>committing apostasy for the sake of "being nice"
It won't be nice when he and the muslim are in hell for idolatry.
What was he even trying to do? Convert the muslim by legitimizing Islam? That's so self-defeating it's not even funny.
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5f3371 No.815193
>>815160
How is that legitimizeing Islam? How is kissing a book apostasy? Do you honesty believe kissing is an act of worship?
Actually read the stances of the Church before making predictable memes.
>Even in the face of natural religious expressions most worthy of esteem, the Church finds support in the fact that the religion of Jesus, which she proclaims through evangelization, objectively places man in relation with the plan of God, with His living presence and with His action; she thus causes an encounter with the mystery of divine paternity that bends over towards humanity. In other words, our religion effectively establishes with God an authentic and living relationship which the other religions do not succeed in doing, even though they have, as it were, their arms stretched out towards heaven
http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_p-vi_exh_19751208_evangelii-nuntiandi.html
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ed1616 No.818702
Should you?
Yeah. But even better, do a bit of theological research, especially about Vatican II. Afterwards try Orthodoxy
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6ae4b9 No.818709
>>818702
You are not bound de fide to believe anything from Vatican II. There were not any dogmas. The modernist apostasy does not change the way an actual Catholic worships, it just makes modernists worship like modernists. Most young Catholics have an affinity for Tradition, at this rate we'll have a Trent II soon, and the Church will be restored. Sad that some people just want to LARP when the Church is in a time of crisis.
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263135 No.818714
>>818709
Vatican II proclaimed nothing that was wrong, and a dogmatic constitution is a dogmatic constitution. Just because it wasn't proclaimed in a way that you like doesn't mean it wasn't. Sad that some people just want to LARP when the Church is in a time of crisis.
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2086b3 No.818726
>>818714
The Vatican II ecclesiology and religious liberty were never taught by the Church before, neither did Vatican II ever evoke the Holy Ghost.
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2086b3 No.818729
>>818726
Addendum:
If you want to know the Catholic faith, consult the four Creeds first and foremost. Anything that goes against those must be ignored. Pay particular attention to the Tridentine Creed.
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ed1616 No.818804
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ed1616 No.818805
>>818709
How is
>muh LARP
a good argument against Orthodoxy? There is nothing LARPy about the Orthodox Liturgy.
Stop using buzz words so liberally anon please
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356c80 No.818838
>>818805
I think he is worried you are trying to lead him into becoming a Sede at a time where the Church needs every single traditionalist because the young Catholics few as they are hunger for true Catholicism not Spirit of V2 garbage peddled by the heretics and we are the ones who will help in their formation.
Our Lady is turning the tide our God has not abandoned his Church. Jesus warned us before he left for heaven there would be many trials and tribulations for the Church but always keep your faith in him.
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5be3d0 No.818846
>>814720
What? Source(s) please.
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c1e70e No.818849
>>802198
Be Lutheran bro
>traditional mass
>no Marian or intercessory idolatry
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72e226 No.819192
>>818849
>invalid eucharist
try again
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4a07bf No.819214
>>818849
Ew, no thanks. Bible-idolaters are going to burn in hell just like Luther is rn
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9a3363 No.819230
>>818849
Imagine thinking you're letting Jesus into your life, and then when His mother tries to step into the door you get in her way and scream "NOPE SORRY GO AWAY".
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363482 No.819233
>>819230
“But he said in reply to the one who told him, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.””
Matthew 12:48-50 NABRE
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ea4e3a No.819243
>>802198
You should drop protestantism as fast as possible, thats for sure.
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139d2f No.819573
>>819214
That judgement is only for God to say, I have to say. He is the only one who can make a perfect rational judgement. I'm not saying God will spare them, i'm saying he is the only one who can make the final judgement on whether they enter or not.
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9a3363 No.819596
>>819233
You think Mary, one of the four human beings who refused to abandon Christ at the cross, somehow didn't do the will of the Father?
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6717cf No.819611
>>819596
arguing with prots is pointless
>>819243
I agree
The trad catholic faith is the true Christian faith.
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139d2f No.820157
>>819233
Do I need to do RCIA to convert to Catholicism? i want to convert in the fall before job searching.
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7ac437 No.820185
>>802198
>What do you say /Christian/? Should I do it?
Should seems to imply it is a yes or no question, but it can be answered with many words. The question at the core is wether Catholicism is the true religion or not? But even so this would not automatically require a yes or no answer.
Sometimes people enter a faith, and find it to be true while it is false. Sometimes people enter a faith, and find it to be false while it is true. Everyone who believes, believes that his/her faith is true, for the one who is sincere would not decieve another about his/her faith. As such you should not believe everyone who is sincere, for their confidence may be in error.
If you must enter Catholicism, you do so because you need to find out for yourself, because the truth can not be confirmed through the mouths of men, but only through the heart and the spirit that guides it.
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ad957c No.820186
>>820157
In North America, probably.
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139d2f No.820205
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37758b No.822600
>>802198
If you haven't already you should for it is the true authentic faith
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