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What is church hurt?

>>781034

It is similar to hoof rot.

>>781034

Basically when some at or from church wronged you and that could range from someone talking shit about or at you to sexual or physical abuse

>>781077

>comparing someone talking shit about you to sexual abuse

Wow.

>>781079

>could range from

>>781077

What is the question in the OP? How to forgive?

>>781019

If you're like me, you'll get fed up with Protestant churches and begome gadolig. It's always the same nonsense with Prots:

>go to new church

>leadership notices you're new

>they approach you after the service, all smiles, wanting to make you feel at home

>they let you know you're a welcome addition to their church, and might invite you to a Bible study or an upcoming event to solidify that

>they want to baptize you (if you aren't already)

>once baptized, they encourage you to get more involved at their church by volunteering

>the sermons involving money inevitably happen, where the pastor presents a weak argument on why you should tithe at least 10% of your income to their church

>it becomes apparent the leadership only cares about money, big congregations, and (in some denoms) becoming the next megachurch

>the cliques also become apparent

>feel like an outcast

>leave

Priests don't come up to and chat with you, and neither do parishioners (unless you decide to hang around after Mass), no one's going to heckle you about becoming part of the Church, and Catholics do not believe in "tithing". You're there to celebrate the Eucharist, not hear a pastor's sermon or gossip, so there's no drama to be had.

>>781145

I don't know how to tell this to you but the greatest sex abuse scandal in history is currently ravaging the rcc

>>781165

>the catholics are doing something about it

<because holding kangaroo courts is considered "doing something" now

lmao

>>781205

>lists distractions used to keep degenerate jesuits in power, and appease the church members enough to stop complaining

Next you'll be telling us how using a teaspoon to remove water from a leaky ship is also effective.

Also, your pic is amusing, because I'm not a prothead.

>>781255

the idea of a "separation of Church and State" a founding staple of Liberalism, is drawn directly from Protestant ideology dude

>>781259

You're conflating classical liberalism with liberal progressivism

>>781264

one arose from the other, it is an applicable argument

>>781264

Unfortunately, one leads to the other, anon. It's like making a distinction between "2nd wave feminism" and "3rd wave feminism", when both follow the same path to degeneracy. Read:

https://reformed.org/books/chr_and_lib/

http://www.oodegr.com/english/filosofia/nihilism_root_modern_age.htm

>>781270

>>781272

That's a fair argument if you mean

Reformation>classical liberalism>progressivism>communism

But what was implied was

Reformation>communism

I would only say that protestantism is clearly anti-commie and anti-progressive as evidenced by evangelicalism today, the consistent inheritors of the Reformation as foiled by mainliners.

This is the exact topic of the book "christianity and liberalism" by Machen (OPC founder). He argues liberal christianity is not only a non-christian religion, it's an entirely new sort of religion in history.

>>781274

all of which I agree with, but the fact of the matter is, is that the reformative christianity is inherently unstable; it has given rise to much bad fruit

>>781280

How did you reach that conclusion and what's your metric for measuring the fruit?

How are you concluding that it starts with the Reformation and not the various heresies that popped up after (chronologically)? Could you not use the same rule on the RCC?

>>781285

>How did you reach that conclusion and what's your metric for measuring the fruit?

Your own words:

"That's a fair argument if you mean

Reformation>classical liberalism>progressivism>communism"

>Could you not use the same rule on the RCC?

No, the Catholic Church cannot be held responsible when the modern political philosophy arose from an understand that is rejected by the Catholic Church.

>>781291

Progressivism and communism are likewise opposed to the principles of the Reformation

>>781292

There are no "principles" of the Reformation, most reformation sects were not Lutheran, no matter how much he tried to make all Reformation Christians Lutheran.

>>781294

Ok kid

>>781296

not an argument

The reformation "principles" did not lead to unity then, and it most definitely did not lead to unity now. It led to outright dissolution of Christianity, we see that now.

>>781291

>No, the Catholic Church cannot be held responsible when the modern political philosophy arose from an understand that is rejected by the Catholic Church.

The RCC started going down the liberal hill long before "modern politics", when it embraced hellenistic philosophy and scholasticism. Read the 2nd link in >>781272 . The RCC is completely responsible for the fruits its produced, including the reformation.

>>781304

>The RCC started going down the liberal hill long before "modern politics", when it embraced hellenistic philosophy and scholasticism.

How exactly can you lay the fruits of the reformation, of progressivism, of abortion, contraception, divorce, cohabitation, masturbation, all on the One Church and scholasticism that not only denies all these things, but refutes it?

>The RCC is completely responsible for the fruits its produced, including the reformation

Staying from the seat of St. Peter has given its just rewards.

>>781019

Stop going to church and don't give them any of your hard earned money or time

Your time is better spent actually caring for the homeless and the orphans directly. Volunteer your time in organizations that directly help the poor instead of some political social club

Don't go to church, people are horrible.

>>781314

>How exactly can you lay the fruits of the reformation, of progressivism, of abortion, contraception, divorce, cohabitation, masturbation, all on the One Church and scholasticism that not only denies all these things, but refutes it?

Once again, read the 2nd link of >>781272 if you care to understand how the west (as a world view) started all this. It's ironic that you're basically making the same argument as the "classical liberal" was making earlier now. Being against the degeneracies of later stages of liberalism doesn't absolve the RCC of it's role in giving birth to them in the first place. Being at the top of a slippery slope doesn't magically mean you're no longer a part of that slope at all.