1fb8fc No.759512
Is paganism or Christianity the religion of white European peoples? Sorry I am debating a pagan and he says Christianity is a Jewish death cult from the middle east. Responses? Is Christianity white?
5616b9 No.759518
>>759512
Christianity is open to all people. Jesus came to save the world, not just a specific people.
c2a4de No.759520
>>759512
If you want my advice, don't waste your time with a vain idolater. If he is stiff-necked, prideful, idolatrous, etc. then you can afford to pay him as little mind as you would an atheist. Nothing he says has a snowball's chance in hell of being right.
Why not be just as shrill back to him and tell him about how he's advocating for savages who lived in mud huts, at the same level of development as today's darkest Africa? Speak also about whether he is comfortable that his religion, which is supposedly so much less deathly than Christianity, is the sort of religion that throws virgins into bogs? In short, ask why he likes savages and wants to be like them?
Also let him know what his gods really are; voodoo from the time that Europe was as savage as Africa, designed by the druids (those voodoo practitioners of the Celts) to basically extract other people's time and money through using superstition to leverage political power.
b015d3 No.759547
>>759518
fpbp, hate to compare it to something worldly but you're at the same thought level of "is vanilla frosting the topping of white people?" OP
09d552 No.759553
>>759512
Lets us do a mental exercise.
Let us assume in the near future, esoteric neo-shintoism starts to flourish among the realms of the former abrahamic faiths.
In the meantime, we start expanding into space, and the followers of the old monotheistic religions start getting called derogatorily "grounders".
2000 years from now, they are extinct, while ENS is the dominant religion across Earth and most of its super genetically diverse colonies.
So some guys start calling themselves grounders, in some super LARPish and historically ignorant rituals (think a super incomplete Sarum rite, with the Words of Consecration replaced with the Shahada written in hebrew script, and teenagers in hieromonk robes memeing on the Extranet on their brave terran ancestors are chilling in Shamayin, with their 72 virgins carrying lamps) to carry the true spirituality of their grounder ancestors, and inject terran supremacist rhetoric into their faith.
Now, is grounderism or esoteric neoshintoism the religion of red-blooded Terran peoples?
a4d3f4 No.759554
>>759512
> Is Christianity white?
No, Christianity is Truth. LARPagans treat religion like fashion, something to put on for identity, not as something that is the Truth (capital T). Here is a question: does he believe that the pagan gods created the world? If yes, then which ones did create the world? Every pagan religion has its own creation myths, they cannot be all true at the same time. So if he believes that only his gods are the real ones, does that mean that all other people in the world are worshiping false gods? Should they then convert to his particular flavor of paganism? Would he like Africans, Asians, Jews, Indians, Eskimos, Aboriginals and all other people to worship his gods as well, join all his LARPing club?
Christians believe that Christianity is the only true religion, which is why it needs to be spread to all people. It is not something for Europeans to wear like a fashion statement. Yes, different cultures have different outwards expression (vestments, iconography, architecture), but we are united in one faith in Christ.
> he says Christianity is a Jewish death cult from the middle east
If Christianity is a Jewish psy-op, why are Jews trying so hard to eradicate it? LARPagans are closer to Jews than they know. Judaism is more of an ethnic identity than an actual religion. This is why you can have "atheist Jews", but you cannot have "atheist Christians". Jews rejected Christ because they were expecting a warlord who would drive out the Romans and establish Jewish supremacy over the whole world, not someone who would open up their privileged status to every nation in the world.
b96f84 No.759559
There is no getting around the fact that christianity originates in the same mythology as the current jewish people. The current jewish people have, however, denied their messiah and do not represent the original inhabitants of judea, especially considering the abomination they have made in the talmud.
3623fc No.759561
>>759512
It’s THE religion, m8.
8d5d9b No.759564
>>759547
>>759518
unhelpful
The question isn't whether Christianity is compatible with x culture, the skeptic is concerned that Christianity is subversive against Europeans. A historical case for Christian dominance in Euro history would be the area to argue
856620 No.759567
>>759512
Tell him that paganism is a nature cult from India.
e0a274 No.759572
>>759512
>the religion of white European peoples
hey pol, now go back to your hellhole.
d6a644 No.759589
>Want to follow Paganism because it's assumed that your ancestors did
>Said ancestors also followed Christianity
Chances are that your people knew the name of Christ longer than Oden or Zeus at this point.
b13819 No.759600
>>759512
>>748514
>>759554
>but you cannot have "atheist Christians"
Ahem... r/Christianity says otherwise
639ff1 No.759601
dont cast pearls before swine.
e1bc7b No.759676
>>759600
For the life of me, I can't figure this one out. It's like saying "quadriplegic jogger," "seven foot midget," or "dry water." What the hell is a Christian Atheist?
b98320 No.759703
Why he should care whether or not Christianity is European rather than whether or not it is "true"? Religion is not a fashion statement.
>>759676
A cafeteria Christian fasting. They're just there for the atmosphere.
27cb6f No.759712
Yes OP.
Chrstianity and Europeans were in a circular effect on one-another.
First Christianity made Europeans into more effective and productive, and in turn Europeans made Christianity more artistic and more refined. Imagine this going on for 2000 years and you have civilization.
The problem is that when we proselytize we are trying to export the European brand of christianity, tailored to those people's needs.
Which are not the same as the needs of asians or blacks.
Proselytizing is good and we should turn all of the planet catholic, but we should preserve native cultures and racial diversity.
t.indian
3f833d No.759718
>>759512
How is modern paganism European when it was invented in the 60's with the New Age movement?
Most of it's ideas are taken fron Buddhism, Hinduism, Talmud and Kabbalah, only the cosplay remains somewhat European.
5c5dfb No.759731
>>759512
>European pagans practiced human sacrifice
>but it's Christianity which is a "death cult"
Ironic
27cb6f No.759739
>>759731
>not understanding that the only reason we doN't have to do that anymore is because Jesus died for all of us.
1c4906 No.759744
>>759739
>confusing Christianity with the pagan Canaanite religions which practiced human and child sacrifice.
Our God is a God of love and proved through Abraham that He doesn't need a human sacrifice to be appeased.
Nice try though.
a4d3f4 No.759745
>>759739
We don't have to sacrifice animals, human sacrifices were always considered abominable.
81b09d No.759749
>man the religion makes some really good points and these prophecies that have been fullfilled make me believe that it could be divine
>oh wait some fat sperg online called me jewish I better revert to institutionalised sodomy
Pagans, everyone
f301de No.759763
d7aac5 No.759866
>1 post by this ID
Stop being moths, idiots.
93fb0c No.762308
>>759553
Underrated poist. Grounders vs ENS (vs the re-introduction and establishment or even major suppression persecution of Christian orthodoxy - maybe the setting be parts of the end times) sci fi novel when?
>>759564
I get that they're answering different questions to what is being asked/challenged by the page, but I would say it's absolutely pointless to engage with anyone on this level and it's far more important to open their eyes (or at least try to make a case) as to whether it's a non issue. Why should we be wasting time debating about something that's irrelevant?
>>759717
in the name of winnie the pooh that's a wierd meme
>>759744
No u numpty, see Numbers 29: 7 - 11. Sacrifice is central to Christianity and the sacrificial system of the atonement of sin through the scapegoat to the OT, which was a type for Christ.
971eee No.762310
>>759512
>Is paganism or Christianity the religion of white European peoples? Sorry I am debating a pagan and he says Christianity is a Jewish death cult from the middle east. Responses? Is Christianity white?
It's a Jewish Life Cult. We don't do repeated sacrifice like old Jews. And if pagans were honest and not posers, they'd be hopelessly sacrificing too. This idea that their religion is about "teachings" is completely foreign to much of actual pagan thought. Mostly it's just Christianity and Buddhism who can properly say they've done away with it… albeit for different reasons.
fd3c8a No.762314
The main issue with paganism, beyond its obvious redundancy considering the coming of Christ, is one of initiatic succession. In short, the chain has been broken; the mysteries have been lost – what can be reclaimed via archæology and textual criticism of the ancient ways is incomplete; not to mention, knowledge alone does not confer initiation.
This is the biggest issue LARPagans have to face, the fact that their traditions have not been persevered by an unbroken initiatic chain. One can't just "rebirth" an entire religion based on some historical facts and a bit of zeal.
Obviously, with the laying on of hands, the apostolic Churches don't have to worry about this. Everyone else claiming divine beginnings – including the pagans – should worry intensely if they care at all about doctrinal authenticity, priestly authority, etc..
ed14d4 No.762331
>>759512
The very fact most of these nitwits themselves refer their belief as Paganism should tell them all they need to know. Paganism of what? Vikings? Romans? African Tribe beliefs?
Tell them that Paganism itself wasn't compatible with European culture as their own warfare eventually ended them.
eab8d5 No.762336
Who the winnie the pooh cares? Even if Jesus appeared to the Chinese I wouldn't care.
Truth is infinite times more important than race and homeland.
eab8d5 No.762338
>>762308
My tigga the Jews sacrificed animals. Not humans.
5c5dfb No.762346
>>759567
Got more information about this?
acf7c0 No.762349
Yes.
>Sorry I am debating a pagan and he says Christianity is a Jewish death cult from the middle east.
Just admit that you're attempting to convince (((shills))) on /pol/ next time.
64d231 No.762351
there is no religion of the Europeans, even paganism was foreign, brought by the indo-europeans
1822ed No.762418
>>762338
irrelevant my tigga, it's the principle, which is exactly the same, spilt blood is an atonement and a scapegoat for the just retribution of sin. >>759744 implied sacrifice is irrelevant since Jesus came, when it's not is bloody central (pun intended).
d60d95 No.762422
>>762314
>Everyone else claiming divine beginnings – including the pagans – should worry intensely if they care at all about doctrinal authenticity, priestly authority, etc..
That's the thing about paganism though. The whole point is that there is no doctrinal authenticity or priestly authority. Take the Asatruars, they don't have a single authoritative text like what is found in Abrahamic religions. There is no theology; there is no liturgy; there is no canon. Hell, even from what we can find in the archeological record, it is clear that the attributes and patronage of the gods changed radically over time–new gods were added, old gods were reconstructed, etc. They're totally fine with this, because (well… they have to be) their gods are more like personifications of natural forces rather than flesh and blood like Jesus.
eab8d5 No.762424
>>762418
We were discussing human sacrifices only I guess, which God always forbade, except the sacrifice of His Son.
f301de No.762430
>>762423
There was that one other time in Judges 12, of course.
eab8d5 No.762431
>>762430
It wasn't really a religious sacrifice.
1fa79f No.762475
>>759512
>Is paganism or Christianity the religion of white European peoples? Sorry I am debating a pagan and he says Christianity is a Jewish death cult from the middle east. Responses? Is Christianity white?
Christianity, if it is true, is by definition not of any man-made origin. The God of the Bible, if real, predates all human races. He appeared to Adam and Eve, who were not Jews, in the Garden. He later reappeared to Abraham, again not a Jew, and according to tradition, the ancestor of both the Jews and the Arabs. Abraham was the father of Isaac who was the father of Jacob. Jacob's name was changed to Israel, so his children were the first 'Israelites', one for each of the twelve tribes. One of the twelve children was Judah, so his kids were called Judahites which is where the term Jew comes from. Also the twelve tribes were split into two houses, the house of Judah containing Judah, Benjamin, and some of the Levites, and the house of Israel containing the other nine and a half tribes. Israel and Judah were even at war with each other at one point. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, so a Jew ethnically. But remember if Christianity is true, he is God, and existed before Jews or any other race. Jesus' foremost opponents were the Pharisees. Modern rabbinical Judaism is the direct ideological descendant of the Pharisees. None of the other schools of thought at the time, like the Saduccees or Essenes, survived. Jesus condemned what he called 'the tradition of elders' which was later codified as the Talmud, and which modern Jews follow. I'm not sure how close modern Jews are genetically to the Jews of those days. You are considered a Jew if your mother is one even if your father isn't so there's probably been some mixing over the years. Regardless, the important point is God predates all human races, and God is no respecter of persons and the gospel is for everyone. If Christianity is made up, it makes no matter whether it was made up by Jews or gentiles, either way it's useless if it's false. And if it's true, it's origin is a God who predates all of us.
fd3c8a No.762494
>>762422
An unbroken oral tradition is at least something they possessed once, but the same cannot be said today.
70a9ad No.762555
Idk much about the renaissance, can someone fill me in?
fd3c8a No.762561
>>762555
>arguing with someone who possess such total ignorance of basic European history
Stop wasting your time.
10e1ff No.762572
>>762555 (checked)
The Renaissance was a garbage time period that layed the grounds for Protestantism and all the wars that happened because of protestantism and all the humanist garbage we have to deal with today.
5c5bc3 No.762574
>>762555
>the church was less powerful during the renaissance than the middle ages
>the church was less powerful during the renaissance than the classical age
wew lad
70a9ad No.762598
>>762561
>>762572
>>762574
Here’s the comments if you want to fill in your piece
https://youtu.be/rAl_poYzTr0
1f4a18 No.764968
>>759512
>Christianity the religion of white European peoples?
Yes
> Is Christianity the religion of white European peoples ONLY?
No. truth is universal
>Is paganism the religion of white European peoples?
It used to be. It is a rudimentary, very simple understanding of Logos. Christianity is the revealed truth in its full form. It is the only way of getting to God.
>Is Paganism European?
There was. There are also pagan traditions outside: India. Notice how those "muh white pagan" larpers espouse often Indian pagan tradition (yugas, etc). If they lived up to their standards they should not use it. ut well they have no standards to begin with.
Furthermore there is no "pagan" doctrine, no coherent dogma, there are very few rites nowadays and those larpers certainly do not attend them.
I will say this: Those pagans want to worship themselves, basically their own asses. "MUH HUWITE RELIGION" "MIGHT IS RIGHT" "MUH NEITZCHE AND SHEIT".
They are so jewed spiritually by enlightenment, atheism and nihilism that they are essentially kikes. What they seem to want to invent is white talmudism to replace Christianity. The parallels are there:
>denying/hating Christ
>muh chosenites
>muh blood is the source of my gods
So paradoxically they claim CHristianity is jewed by acting as kikes themselves.
>But muh Christianity originates in Herew tradition
Yes in Hebrew tradition there was revealed Truth, the messiah came there.
Some of them acccepted it, some made a direct inversion of everything when they rejected him. Then many converted to "religion" of "judaism" (see the name itself is an idolatry of one tribe) to larp for money they screw gentiles of.
To see how pathetic it is to claim that "jewish" is a race is shown by the following: there are descendants of tribe of Judah, Khazars, Askenazis, etc. Claiming they're ethnically same is ludicrous. SOme had to convert. You cannot convert to blood religion, if you can then you no longer can claim "muh blood"
Tl dr. Most of those pagans are spiritual jews. Do not waste time debating them as well as actual jews.
1f4a18 No.764976
In one thread I argued with a pagan.
All he did was spouting anti christian atheist memes and talmudism.
However he said that White is an ethnicity - a nation - so I drowned him by continually asking him if he thinks Russian and Spanish is the same thing. If so why.
He NEVER answered that question, just derailed into
>muh semites
>kike
>HEBREW DESERT CULT
Imagine my surprise when after posts he admited that he is neither white, nor European, nor American. But he was larping as "european pagan" Telling Europeans what they should do/ "we fellow whites should worship our blood"
This is the kind of people you engage online. Keep that in mind. I literally did not even believe what I read there when he tried to justify his positions of larping as "european religion" while not even being an european.
The jokes write themselves.
149bf3 No.764981
>>759576
This, Christianity took Europeans worldwide and made the conquerors.
4efe05 No.765009
>>759576
As a Swede I would have to agree.
Christianity sculpted Europe to what it were to become, and anti-Christianity created what Europe is now
c85cd7 No.765084
>>759512
>I am debating a pagan
Just say it: you're arguing with a meme flag on /pol/. Save yourself some time and effort and just post memes to counter the larper's 'arguments'.
If someone is unironically saying 'le jewish death cult' they are not mature enough for an actual debate or discussion. Say your piece and leave.
>>764976
This is pretty much all you'll get from auguring with larpers. Though I will say that once in a blue moon you can come across a Swede or Norwegian pagan that you can have an actual conversation and discussion with, but those are rare.
1307c9 No.773550
a4f5f9 No.773553
yes, all of europe was united under Christianity. if you're talking individual ethos, no, it was just a smattering of random mythos and various amounts of forms of worship.
c34636 No.773564
>>773549
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-this-day-the-theodosian-code-is-published-1.5227690
>spelling bad news for the jews
Also, all results say the codex was created in the 5th century, not the 4th..
912be1 No.773579
The Jews:
>Had Jesus killed for blasphemy
>Altered and reinterpreted their "sacred" Old Testament scriptures to downplay the foretelling of Jesus
>Wrote negative propaganda about Jesus in their Talmud
>Forbade communion with Christians to slow down their conversion of other Jews
>Actively persecuted Christians
yeah, sounds like it was all part of (((their))) master plan all along…
912be1 No.773589
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>773549
>Can anyone disprove this pile of theologically inept speculations?
yes, it's called motivated reasoning. It's easy to cherry pick a bunch of unrelated points to suit any arbitrary claims when you throw out their context, history, and underlying philosophy. The mere fact that the truthfulness/utility of monotheism over paganism (as it was viewed back then) doesn't even come up should be a big red flag.
e275bc No.775830
(((They’re))) pushing a new meme about ethno-religions
e275bc No.775831
>>775830
Forgot to ask if anyone could offer a refutation that I can screen cap.
9a1786 No.775840
>>759512
The Pharisees were satanic civnats. Every Christian nation was ethnonationalist. (No, America isn’t Christian, it’s jewish.)
0f93b3 No.775850
>>775840
>>775841
America is a bunch of state/nations, not one whole.
e275bc No.775852
>>775850
The states are more provinces
8317be No.775853
>>775852
Speaking as someone who's worked with multiple states' legislature and lobbied in the federal level, each state really is more like a mini country. They get treated like provinces, but the way they function and act, themselves, is as a mini country.
9a1786 No.775870
>>775864
I would have disagreed with if I were younger but I think you’re right. The beast in Revelation sounds a lot like well... mainstream Christianity. Maybe we spent too long building a mountain out of a satanic molehill and the truth is simply Jesus and the morals He espoused in the Old Testament.
c34636 No.775881
>>775830
I made a little research and found out that some times, the indigineous people of central america really did convert out of defeat- But of course there were still the majority of the indians that weren't warriors, and were converted by tradional means, such as the elites being converted first, then the populace. There are also dozens of mexican and african saints, going against the theory that other peoples can't follow a universalitst religion and set of habits. "Primitive roots of jewish subversive agitation and hatred for civilization" really? He sounds like of one those people who think Jesus was a political revolutionary, having no knowlegde of the early church's history (such as Peter's command for christians to honor the emperor, jewish subversion amirite?) apart from "muh socialist early christians". The main problem with the religious syncretism is the lack of catholic education and cathechesis. Here in Brazil, lots of people are nominally catholic at least, showing very little signs of the old pagan indigenoous gods. There's little sense of "racial pshyche" here since there was a lot of miscigenation and mixing…and it's catholicism, even if it's not very accurate due to bad education, is certainly fairly orthodox and free of other influences. I'm willing to bet that it was this way in other countries too, the lack of an catholic education. So in conclusion, i do agree that historically catholicism has let old cultures still have an effect on the people, but the thing is..if the education is sufficient, catholicism removes all the bad aspects of a certain culture ( like, Germanic warrior culture that led men to early graves ) and transformed them into good things ( like the author said, Germanic chivarly). That's my two cents
f1c52b No.775895
>>775870
>>775864
Let me guess: you think Paul was mean.
9a1786 No.775897
>>775895
I don’t. My beliefs are probably more in line with Paul’s than most Christians.
97404d No.775948
>>759512
Don't throw pearls at swines.
I grew up in an household which was half-Catholic half-atheist; my very Catholic grandmother used to read my siblings, cousins and me all the old myths of our ancestors. Greek, Roman and Nordic tales: she explained us how there was a spark of truth, of that Divine light even in those legends.
I am a terrible Christian, I can admit that, but my grandmother taught me something important: Christianity is real, and has not destroyed but fulfilled the longing of those pagans. They were looking for Christ, but could not see Him; now we can see Him and finally revere and venerate Him as God. Pray for those fake pagans, as they follow something we know about thanks to the work of monks and religious figures who wrote down all these myths because they were part of the culture of different people in the sake of memory. I studied the history of my people, their ancient beliefs and while I still take that as part of who I am, God alone is the One I bow to.
e275bc No.776106
After I mentioned Revelations 3:9, is he wrong?
653de3 No.776109
>>775948
> but my grandmother taught me something important: Christianity is real, and has not destroyed but fulfilled the longing of those pagans
By cutting their trees, burning their houses and killing them.
Yep, much fulfilled.
Christians just pretty much admit they got brainwashed and that paganism is truth.
689fc4 No.776110
>>776106
>Hold on, let me just re-write the bible so it says what I want it to say
Yes, he's wrong. Synagogue and church are two different words in greek with two different meanings. It's like the difference between the words 'cathedral' and 'mosque'. They are two obviously different things that serve a similar purpose.
689fc4 No.776111
>>776109
Yeah, and the pagan romans were absolutely tolerant of the germanic tribal religions and would have NEVER dreamed of doing something like say enslaving them for being barbaric savages. Nope, not at all. No siree.
e275bc No.776136
Nothing three trends:
1. Reduce Christianity to some sort of ideology/pagan god that was useful in the past but we need something new now, there is a lot of emphasis of it being to “go back to our roots” (even though all pagan religions are merely an evolved corruption of Christianity) or to “make an Aryan religion”. (Intentionally disgarding any assumption that there was truth in it).
2. “Christianity fundamentally is stupid, but the Europeans shaped it to suit their own needs (mention whatever pagan mixing).
3. Utilizing “If you repeat a lie, eventually people will believe it true”. Making multiple small lies that don’t seem too far off the truth, then pressing them in (usually as a meme) with other deliberate lies so people might consider those also.
The more you observe them the more you realize they act like shills
>you shall know them by their fruits
e275bc No.776137
653de3 No.776146
>>776111
Aksually, the romans and greek just combine the gods with their foreign equivalent.
This is primal example of Zeus-Amun, and Tacticus's later equivalence of Hercules/Thor and Mercury/Odin.
653de3 No.776147
>>776136
>(even though all pagan religions are merely an evolved corruption of Christianity)
The biggest lie of all.
Christianity is a paganized version of judaism. This is why the OG romans were wary of it since it is subversion.
b7e3bb No.776161
>>776109
>By cutting their trees, burning their houses and killing them.
Ah, yes.
We chopped down a tree that some germanics wanted to do human sacrifice under, and Charlemagne went crazy and mass-executed some saxon rebels, something that would be a stain upon his reign that everyone called him out on until his death(a sort of late Antiquity Benghazi).
Truly its another Shoah.
c2e166 No.776162
>>776161
Fun Fact:
Charlemagne is considered a Blessed in the Catholic Church
mainly because Charlemagne did nothing wrong
45096c No.776168
>Is Christianity white?
Who cares? Christ is the way, the truth and the life.
f301de No.776172
>>776109
Pagans deforested Norway long before Christianity ever reached the region. Pagans weren't a bunch of environmentalists, stop chugging down Hollywood horseshit. That's about as accurate a portrayal of history as disneys Pocahontas.
789ef9 No.776197
>>759512
WNs would rather take credit for barbarian tribes that raped and looted surrounding islands than the actual time period of technological, navigational, scientific, and artistic innovation that put Europe in the position as world leader for the sake of """STRENGTH""" and larping as nords. And they wonder why they've never made much progress past the Third Reich, where they pretended to be Christians.
f301de No.776204
>>776198
You are historically illiterate. The reason trees became sacred to Norse pagans is that they literally chopped them all down, so a grove was a rare sight. They were about as advanced as sub-Saharan Africans before monks brought them civilization.
0634a2 No.776219
>>776198
>Then Christianity came in and built stupid churches, with no nationality nor style.
Euro churches have different architectural style even across regions within a country, let alone states.
>Oh please, the Western Roman Empire was only christian for 100 years, and it was in decline.
The Roman Empire was a clusterf*ck of invasions, balkanisations, currency devalutions, depopulations, corruption, etc. in it's pagan prime, that started after it conquered Dacia.
The entire pagan 3rd century is one big mess for Rome, constantly invaded, poor and shattered into 4 succesor states.
And it's not like it came out of nowhere.
Figures as late as Diocletian, Gaius Marius, and as early as the Grachii brothers realized the whole empire was based on a plunder economy and constantly increasing wealth inequality, and tried to to unscrew that unsustainable wreck.
It wasnt Constantine that abandoned the West and stabilized the East, but Diocletian.
789ef9 No.776232
>>776198
>Oh please, the Western Roman Empire was only christian for 100 years, and it was in decline.
I was referring to medieval and renaissance Europe, as well as the British empire, the colonization of the Americas (beyond icy nothingness)... I could keep going.
You guys talk about heritage, and yet all of my recent ancestors were christian. You guys are forsaking a massive portion of European history for the sake of pretending like Thor and Loki are more than just fairytales, as well as a means of justifying brutality based on the tenants of Nordic paganism.
Also, it's funny you mention Rome, because I haven't met a single neopagan who believes in the Roman or Greek pantheon. It's always Nordic, Germanic, or Celtic. Rome would make sense, since they weren't just a band of thieves and rapists, but I have never seen one of you take that stance.
0634a2 No.776237
>>776222
>All look the same to me, some stupid building.
Not my problem you can't differentiate basic architectural styles.
>And? That's the most advanced state of the Roman empire.
I too enjoy bread and circuses to deal with unemployment and richfags stealing my farm.
>3rd century is basically lost history, but that's not when Rome is most pagan, in fact, Christianity is already infecting Rome in that period.
Here's a fun fact.
Rome stopped being properly pagan long before that.
The religious life of the empire was already drifting from greco-roman mythology and sacrifices before that.
Temples had a funding crisis for a long time, and the intelligentsia was drifting towards eastern mystery cults and monotheism, anyhow.
>The most pagan Rome remains the Julius Caesar to Marcus Aurelius reign.
And i like the economy before the 2008 recession, but i don't blame a small percent of western muslims for an american bubble that burst from decades of stupid monetary decisions.
>The empire lasted for about 1000 year, not counting the Republic.
And lasted for a thousand years more while Christian.
>But that doesn't count!
Imperial policy was focusing on the East even during the heyday.
789ef9 No.776239
>>776205
>Find me some sub-saharan that built wooden cities
Pic related. Ancient city of Djado in Niger. made of stone no less.
>make better steel than the romans
Crucible steel is from Asia, and was traded to the Nords. They didn't "make" it.
>built boats to travel the globe
You barely left the eastern hemisphere, and the land you found was a frozen POS.
4e88a5 No.776244
>>776235
>Renaissance Europe prospers
>Medieval Europe
>endangered by turkist muslim
789ef9 No.776250
>>776235
>so if your most recent ancestors were islamic or atheist, you would bow down to them?
No, because that's not the reason I have my faith. That's just the reason you guy pretend to believe in this stuff.
>Ancestral ancestors are always pagan.
I have no response because I don't really care, but I love "Ancestral ancestors". Really flexing that intellectualism brah.
>I have never forsaken Medieval history, just that it doesn't have jack to do with Christianity
So Charlemagne (the defender of the faith) was an athiest/neopagan? ok, sure pal.
>The monarch regularly break Christian ethics and so do the church.
As do Christians, That's what repentance is about. Human beings fall regularly. We have things like a no fap thread for a reason dude. Likewise, I doubt you always followed the way of the nords 100%. How many wars have you fought? Have you earned Valhalla yet?
Slipping up doesn't make you outside of the faith.
>Don't know what pagan you are talking to, but since most internet people are germanic and English are germanic so it makes sense they worship the german pantheon.
But you sing the praises of the Roman empire like they gave a crap about your gods. How do you not see the issue with that?
0634a2 No.776253
>>776242
>So there you have, it Christianity ruins Rome before it becomes the official religion.
You are missing the point.
It wasn't Christianity that made paganism decline, the religions were dying even before we came along.
>Not an argument, you are literally comparing 100-200 years of the best time of the Roman empire, that practically no Christian nation can offer.
Once we got out of the inevitable Migration Age, we had better tech, and less concentration of wealth than Rome.
>Depend on who you ask, they are heretics.
Schismatics, at worst.
789ef9 No.776255
>>776243
>And?
You said to find you a Saharan civilization that built wooden huts. I gave you one that built a city out of stone... What do you mean "And?"?
>Yes they do
No, you're wrong, look it up. Crucible steel was a Chinese thing that you guys took from them. It wasn't a question kid.
>They traveled all of Europe, North Africa
OK so parts of the eastern hemisphere and a little bit of far western Canada is the whole globe now? What's next? Is the earth flat too?
f1c52b No.776260
>>776255
>What's next? Is the earth flat too?
Oh boy, I guess you haven’t been to /pol/ in a while. It’s the new Mossad psyop, and guess who’s latched into it?
789ef9 No.776261
>>776252
>So again, you have no actual bloodline basis to worship a jew, nice.
The whole tenant of Christianity was opening of the faith to the gentiles. There's no ethnic requirement to worship it. Nor is there an ethnic requirement to worship pagan pantheons, you guys are just WNs so you pretend like there is one.
>Charlemagne was a king, he used Christianity to subjugate his subjects, it doesn't matter jack what Christianity is.
OK, so we can just make up history I guess... He's considered blessed in the Catholic church.
>And this is what make christian a winnie the pooh joke.
You say, as you ignore my point about warrior's valor in Nordic/Germanic paganism, because odds are you're a neck-beard keyboard warrior who's never been in a fight in his life. You're a disappointment to your faith.
>It does for pagan.
So then you're SOL I guess.
>In fact, it's arguable that the roman religion tolerance is what leads to their downfall since it means they have to tolerate jews and christians when they can just kill them.
They had been absorbing foreign pantheons for centuries before they got to your frozen asses.
789ef9 No.776262
>>776260
/pol/ being infected with this garbage is what made me quit the alt-right. in the first place. It's beyond a dumpster fire at this point.
3544b9 No.776263
>>759547
Right… it's for everyone. But it came from the Levant.
0634a2 No.776264
>>776260
>It’s the new Mossad psyop, and guess who’s latched into it?
Fringe positions always attract weirdos that butter up to each other because they are outside the mainstream, and they need supporters because they are small.
Applies to both far-left and far-right.
Also, this:
https://aeon.co/ideas/want-to-feel-unique-believe-in-the-reptile-people
You don't need a conspiracy for that.
0634a2 No.776266
>>776263
And latin writing and viking runes came from semitic phoenician script.
A lot of the advanced concepts of greek culture came via the egyptians, that probably took them from levantines and/or semites, themselves.
If it's true, it's true, doesn't matter where it came from.
0634a2 No.776271
>>776268
>Outright lie.
Well, prepare to get your mind blown.
Though, we have native european writing and centers of civilisation, but it's stuff like Vinca-Tartaria and the Megalithic cultures.
>Another outright lie.
Greeks loved egyptian stuff.
They looked at the pyramids and ancient Egyptian artifacts like we look at roman monuments and culture, and believed them to be really good at magic and religious lore.
>So where were the great jew cities in the 4000BC?
Semitic civs?
Well, the fertile crescent.
Though those probably got influenced by Göbekli Tepe, and so on, and so forth.
789ef9 No.776272
>>776265
>Yes there is, since all of the pagan religions are blood-based, how can you worship foreigners?
Because there's nothing stopping any from doing it… Kind of obvious m8.
>How is that made up history?
BECAUSE YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST CLAIMING IT'S FACT WITHOUT ANY HISTORIC PRECEDENCE The whole reason Charlemagne fought and became Holy Roman Emperor was because of an outcry from the Vatican. Similar story with his ancestors. You're just projecting your historic revisionism onto actual history to justify your BS.
>If anything, your own admission means the Church is just puppet to do whatever Charlesmagne wants.
Literally the opposite.
>Again projection
What projection? I don't have to kill people to go to heaven…
>I have never claimed that I will be in Valhalla.
So you're still a failure… to Náströnd with you.
>Better that way than paying some lip services and instant forgiven.
>Thinking that's all the faith entails
Lurk more
>Yeah, and that's one of their problems too, they were too tolerant.
And yet they were more prosperous and expansive that the nords… You contradict yourself constantly.
3544b9 No.776274
>>776266
>And latin writing and viking runes came from semitic phoenician script.
Pics related: Germanic runes, and the Etruscan alphabet. There are some similarities, but there's no way to know for sure how much was borrowed, if any. And that's between runes and Italian script - the link between runes and semitic script is even more of a stretch. This is a long-standing debate, and you can't end it in one cheesy sentence.
But what can I expect, you people added up all the birthdays in the bible and you think that's irrefutable, empirical proof of the age of the Earth.
0634a2 No.776275
>>776272
>Because there's nothing stopping any from doing it… Kind of obvious m8.
And it's not like it didn't happen.
That's how we ended up with Herakles in Japan, and other stuff.
789ef9 No.776281
>>776275
Exactly. Like I said, there isn't an ethnic requirement to paganism, they just pretend like there is one because they're WNs, and "Blood and Soil" and all that. There's about as much stopping any rando from worshiping whatever European pagan pantheon they want as their is stopping white westerners from practicing Hare Krishna.
0634a2 No.776282
>>776274
Well, we know it's phoenician->greek->italic->latin.
Though the greeks also invented linear B, so it's not like it matters if they mutated phoenician script or not.
But yes, it's a debate if runes derive from old italic.
0634a2 No.776286
>>776281
>they just pretend like there is one because they're WNs, and "Blood and Soil" and all that.
Pretty much.
That's my beef with modern paganism(barring groups like the theodists, because those guys actually do scholarly research to make it as close as they can, and do separate work with the faiths of the individual ancient tribes).
It's syncretic bs that's divided between:
-New Age faggots that try to jam hippie rubbish and ideas and gods from half a dozen unrelated pantheons into that spirituality(see people saying pagans believed in reincarnation and other things, because hinduism does, and all indo-european pantheons are the same, right?);
-neo-nazi retards with their idiotic tendency of subordinating EVERYTHING to "durr hurr, is it white/european/germanic?" and instilling 19th century concepts like racial pan-europenism, naturalism(see Varg believing ancient europeans were actually atheists, since they didn't actually BELIEVE in the gods, but they were symbols representing the forces of nature and muh ancestors), and other such 19th century concepts.
If you wanna do it, do it properly.
789ef9 No.776288
>>776265
I know this guy is dead, but just as a further response to his claims about Charlemagne:
>"Unlike his father, Pippin, and uncle, Carloman, Charlemagne expanded the reform Church's programme. The deepening of the spiritual life was later to be seen as central to public policy and royal governance. His reform focused on strengthening the church's power structure, improving clergy's skill and moral quality, standardising liturgical practices, improvements on the basic tenets of the faith and the rooting out of paganism."
So again, literally the opposite of what this LARPer was saying. He was devoutly religious.
331935 No.776691
They are both a part of our heritage as europeans are not entirely incompatible. read cicero's on the nature of the Gods, the Havamal, and meditations by Aurelius and you will find it echoes or premonitions many of the same ideas expressed by Christ.
the greatest danger of paganism is idolatry and the most advanced forms of paganism were already on their way to rejecting it. cicero mocks the idea that gods of such incomprehensible and cosmic might could be reduced to mere images and statues. he realized that these images were nothing but an emanation of the holy, a reminder and connector between mankind and the divine, but also realized that most people, over generations, will begin to worship the idol over the god itself, and come to attribute the idol with godlike qualities, and forget the primal essence that made that god holy in the first place. The Germanic tribes were said to have thought it an abomination to entrap gods within idols, and imprison them within temples.
paganism is really just an incomplete form of christianity, like the first canto in dantes inferno, it is innocent, pure and natural, but it is without light and without hope. I was a germanic pagan for a long time but the biggest problem with Germanic paganism for me was the very dismal outlook of the world. at the end of days, the gods are slain by demons, the allfather is devoured by fenriswolf, and the race of man is purged until nearly perished, and only a remnant are left to remain and respring the world anew. new gods shall rise from the deep and replace the old order of the germanic gods, and the cycle of chaos and order, destruction and creation will begin again.
christianity offers a very clear defeat of evil at the end of days and the redemption of all souls. it rejects the idea that evil can ever win completely, because evil is inherently inferior to good, which is absolutely true. this is what makes christianity a more complete form of paganism.
this is of course arguing using european paganism, which is superior to all other forms of paganism because europeans are superior. im not going to even discuss the abominable and vile rites of such demonic races as the aztecs or canaanites, who had no morality, meditations or complex mythologies with deep themes in them. they had only insanity and depravity, and murder as baptism. if there were ever satanic cults on this earth, they were in mexico, canaan and arabia.
>>762314
catholics claim to have authentic apostolic descent from the church fathers and this did not save them corruption. we are here to debate the inherent ideologies and worldviews of paganism vs christianity, not your retard "i got this argument out of a book written by a pedophile bishop" crap. having a linear succession of priests does nothing for a religious order; in my opinion it cripples it. relying on the word of some faggot pastor or some pedophile priest instead of the true word of God is folly and error and is what lead to the current mess known as western christianity.
the posters here that try to divide pagans against christians are literally jewish shills, or larpy faggots compensating for their lack of a spiritual upbringing. that or literally shitskins trying to erase european culture. you would be surprised how many are on this board. ignore them.
69fe88 No.776732
>>759554
>you cannot have "atheist Christians"
I thought we called them Episcopalians
3b0d16 No.776756
>>776274
Yeah, we're totally all young Earth creationists.
So /leftypol/ is a lot quieter than I remember you know - what's going on? You guys bleeding members? People realise that dismissing everything as "spooks", except your own belief in class & the State was sort of hypocritical?
f1a38b No.776781
>>776271
I do not see the similarity.
>>776272
>Because there's nothing stopping any from doing it… Kind of obvious m8.
A sword cutting off your throat, is that enough?
>BECAUSE YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST CLAIMING IT'S FACT WITHOUT ANY HISTORIC PRECEDENCE
Religion is used to control the mass, Charlesmagne wants to gain supremacy and legitimacy by the Church, and thus the Church grants him. It has jackshit to do with religion.
>Literally the opposite.
How?
>What projection? I don't have to kill people to go to heaven…
You just have to pay some lip services for it.
>Lurk more
Heretic detected.
>And yet they were more prosperous and expansive that the nords… You contradict yourself constantly.
The nords literally expand to North America, you have nothing.
>>776288
>>"Unlike his father, Pippin, and uncle, Carloman, Charlemagne expanded the reform Church's programme.
Him reforming the Church is the opposite of him being deeply devout.
That's him manipulating the institution.
f1a38b No.776782
>>759554
>No, Christianity is Truth.
Jesus says he is the door to the sheep.
Is that true or not?
inb4 but muh metaphor
>If Christianity is a Jewish psy-op, why are Jews trying so hard to eradicate it?
I'm seeing BILLIONS of Christian on the globe, while the Pope is a willing servant of the jews, tell me, when will the jews try to eradicate it?
f1a38b No.776785
>>776756
If you guys don't even believe in the word of the (jewish) god, why even call yourself christian?
inb4 it's all metaphor and allegory my broseph
f301de No.776823
Go away, Ching Chang Cholie. No one will ever take you seriously.
0634a2 No.776827
>>776691
>im not going to even discuss the abominable and vile rites of such demonic races as the aztecs or canaanites, who had no morality, meditations or complex mythologies with deep themes in them.
Aztecs actually had some really cool philosophy.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/aztec/
https://aeon.co/ideas/what-the-aztecs-can-teach-us-about-happiness-and-the-good-life
They were deeply messed up, though.
4a6d30 No.776829
>>776782
Imagine having such a low, communist influenced, IQ that Jesus using metaphor discredits everything He ever said but Ze*s literally having gay buttsechs with his kidnap victim doesn't make him a faggot.
Charlie, go away and evangelize your people about the truth of your action figires. It would be a more productive use of your time instead of comming here and getting your ass handed to you time and time again. You will never convince us to follow you into hell.
0634a2 No.776830
>>776691
>the posters here that try to divide pagans against christians are literally jewish shills, or larpy faggots compensating for their lack of a spiritual upbringing. that or literally shitskins trying to erase european culture. you would be surprised how many are on this board. ignore them.
Yeah, no, screw them.
Their religion is spiritually poisonous, half-assed theology that is based on retarded conspiracy theories and victim narratives towards us.
It's a mockery of both what my christian and pre-christian ancestors believed in.
"We are both white, brah" does not make up for it.
1bdd6d No.776832
>>776829
Either tell me Jesus is a door or not and be done with it.
Objective truth my winnie the pooh ass.
If you use metaphor, you do not hold the objective truth.
>Charlie, go away and evangelize your people about the truth of your action figires.
tigger please, christians are basically the jews in Vietnam, they still worship their ancestors.
1bdd6d No.776833
>>776830
>theology
Theology, especially the Abrahamic kind, is cancer since it actually strives to convert people.
The romans and greeks actually respect foreign gods and merge their gods with the foreign gods.
0634a2 No.776834
>>776833
No, they subordinated foreign gods of conquered people to the Imperial Cult, and they massacred people that didn't fit in this attempt at soft cultural genocide.
1bdd6d No.776836
>>776834
If they have done that, christians wouldn't be a goddamn thing.
They were in fact too tolerant and just seek to control the clergy of the respective religion.
4a6d30 No.776837
>>776832
You are a hypocrite because if you follow your retarded definition of objective truth you would realize you worship a literal turd burglar. You have no basic concept of theology because you are too much of a coward to try to evangelize your own people that need you. Instead you waste your time here everyday trying in vain to convince us to worship the turd burglar with you. Please, take your reddit spacing somewhere else like >>>/vietnam/ if you truly believe that the rapist Ze*s is the god of this world.
0634a2 No.776838
>>776836
>If they have done that, christians wouldn't be a goddamn thing.
Because we stayed in the dark, imperial admin. was decentralized, and we moved to other provinces when stuff got too hard.
>They were in fact too tolerant and just seek to control the clergy of the respective religion.
Ah, yes.
"Accept our gods are the big honchos in your pantheon, physically worship our head of state as a deity, and dont mind us massacring your clerical hierarchy(see druids), so your rites and stuff will get lost"
I think even North Koreans would call you a retard if you presented them that as religious tolerance.
p.s.: if you respond to this with whatabboutism, you've lost the argument.
245012 No.776839
>>776837
At least I don't claim to have objective truth!
I don't.
In fact, truth nowadays seem to be whoever in power writes.
Also Abrahamic theology is shit! It's basically a socio-political organization, NOT a spiritual one.
245012 No.776840
>>776838
>Because we stayed in the dark, imperial admin. was decentralized, and we moved to other provinces when stuff got too hard.
No, it weren't, christians were allowed to exist, they were persecuted as in huffing about, but never genocided (you will see the jews crying about that, I bet of you).
>I think even North Koreans would call you a retard if you presented them that as religious tolerance.
That's literally how North Koreans do it, you can be whatever, but your loyalty stay true to Dear Leader alone.
If you use your faith as an excuse to betray Dear Leader, death comes to you.
Oh wait, most Norks are atheists for this very purpose, one man cannot have TWO loyalties.
4a6d30 No.776847
>>776839
>At least I don't claim to have objective truth!
So you admit Ze*s is a faggot and you are a hypocrite.
This is why no one takes you seriously, Charlie. You don't even believe your own bullshit. You try so hard to disprove something you think isn't real. Deep down, in your little black heart, you know God is real and that terrifies you. You know that God will hold you accountable for your sins and you want to play all sorts of mental gymnastics to vainly convince yourself and others that He won't. You LARP as a believer in a foregin god to convince yourself that everything will be alright and you won't roast in a lake of fire. But you will Charlie. You are going to roast like all the other fedoras on the /pol/s left and regular unless you give up your idols and repent.
The fact of the matter is that God, the one True God, loves you even though you don't love Him back. He wants you to be in paradise with Him, Charlie. But, unlike Ze*s, God won't force you to love Him. If you want to continue to waste your time in your fantasy world go right ahead. If you want to suffer the consequences of your sin, than go right ahead. If you want to come here tomorrow because you have nothing better to do than to waste your time on a board feeling angry all the time, than go right ahead.
When you are ready to grow up and love your Lord your God, He will be waiting for you with open arms ready to forgive your faggotry. I'll pray for you like I've been praying for you, Charlie.
b9f5c4 No.776884
This LARPagan troll is clearly not well. No one of sound mind spends so much time hopelessly bickering with people on the internet; it reeks of profound loneliness, anxiety, poor upbringing, etc.. Let this thread be evidence that, in matters of religion, he is best ignored—not encouraged in his bad habits, but prayed for.
331935 No.776893
>>776830
>its a mockery of what my prechristian ancestors believed in
i have a feeling you have no idea what your prechristian ancestors believed in
0634a2 No.776899
>>776893
I have some pretty clear idea of what people over here believed in before being converted.
It wasn't the hodge-podge of IE interpretatio larpo, hippie new-age crap, and it wasn't naturalism with some nazi and ultranationalist windows dressing.
The latter 2 are what the extremely tiny neo-pagan movement is over here.
c5f003 No.776968
>>776781
>Him reforming the Church is the opposite of him being deeply devout.
It continues:
His authority extended over church and state. He could discipline clerics, control ecclesiastical property and define orthodox doctrine. Despite the harsh legislation and sudden change, he had developed support from clergy who approved his desire to deepen the piety and morals of his subjects.
Also
>His reform focused on strengthening the church's power structure, improving clergy's skill and moral quality, standardizing liturgical practices, improvements on the basic tenets of the faith and the rooting out of paganism
How is any of this bad and/or counter to the church? Reform isn't bad so long as it doesn't introduce heresy, and from what we've been told he seemed to focused on doing the opposite.
The problem with the reformers was't the concept of reform in general, it was that their reforms went so far that it became heretical. The church needed reform if we're being honest, and it likely needs reform now, but the extent to which Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, etc. took it was the issue.
From reading various biographies and accounts on the mans life and reign as Holy Roman Emperor, I'd argue that he's one of if not the most devoutly religious leaders in European history, and is fully deserving of his status as Blessed.
ca8368 No.777111
I will destroy every Christian argument.
>>776847
>So you admit Ze*s is a faggot and you are a hypocrite.
Zeus is the king of heroes, he winnie the poohs bitches, he winnie the poohs boys, he winnie the poohs men and he winnie the poohs even beasts, because he's a god and he can. You are not Zeus.
>You know that God will hold you accountable for your sins and you want to play all sorts of mental gymnastics to vainly convince yourself and others that He won't.
No, I don't, your jew God wants submission and never will I submit to anyone but my ancestors.
>The fact of the matter is that God, the one True God, loves you even though you don't love Him back.
That's creepy as winnie the pooh, famalam, I also doubt he's the true god, since he just admits he's a winnie the pooh door.
>When you are ready to grow up and love your Lord your God, He will be waiting for you with open arms ready to forgive your faggotry.
If I go to heaven, I will personally kick his goddamn jewish ass. Praise Deus Pater.
>>776884
So much projection there, christcuck, but my main points have always been:
- Christianity does not hold the Objective truth.
- Christianity is not a religion, but a socio-political tool for clergy to gain power over the state/people.
>>776899
Nice projection, fag, but you are speaking to one of the pagan people who never convert to Christianity.
And I say to you, you have been duped. Repent or face Hell, the actual Hell as described in Greco-roman myth, chinese myth and nordic myth.
ca8368 No.777112
>>776968
Just hold on a minute here, who and what allows Charlesmagne, a monarch, to reform the Church?
Apparently, this is the same god's church, but somehow Charlesmagne has the power to reform it, with no scriptures to back up, and just base on his sense of morality (more like favoritism).
And the Catholic cucks dare say their church has prevailed.
ea7ef3 No.777115
>>759518
Ie christianity isnt european, its a jewish attempt at globalism. Atheism is european. Europeans tore down all the gods and raised machines and conquered the world. God is dead and we have killed him.
120f03 No.777117
>>777111
I never claimed to be Ze*s. But it is finally refreshing to see you admit that your idol is a flamming homosexual.
Also you are early today. Usually you don't try to troll us till much later in the day. Couldn't get any sleep?
c34636 No.777194
>>777111
>>777112
>>777115
>I will destroy every Christian argument.
kek.
Charlie, to tell you the truth, we don't take you seriously and we respond to you out of amusement. Why do you come here anyways. Is it because you love us and want us to "repent" or face hell? nah. You clearly have nothing but comtempt for us. You can respond to this post if you want, either way i'll be very amused.
9e6c3d No.777216
>>777117
I never claimed to be Zeus either, just that your god doesn't have the Objective truth and that he identifies as a winnie the pooh door.
>>777194
I come here in hope that whites wake up and stop giving their spiritual energy to literal desert demon.
Nowadays I maintain an Imperial Japan stance, there are many gods, but all bow down before the Emperor.
ea7ef3 No.777221
>>777216
There are no gods. That is the mindstate that seperates european power from all others.
>God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
00b07e No.777223
>>759512
It's a European religion. Europeans embraced it, developed the theology and rituals, and spread it around the world. Europeans are the stewards of Christianity and always will be, just as Jesus chose them to be.
331935 No.777226
>>777223
this
Luke 7:9
>When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Said to the Centurion when he asked Jesus to cure his servant. the implication is very clear; that even pagan europeans were more pious and righteous than the israelites. We are the new "Chosen".
e9f65b No.777244
>>777216
>low IQ Charlie doesn't get what a metaphor is
>low IQ Charlie worships a literal faggot
>low IQ is going to be the savior of the White race by getting whites to worship a faggot
>mfw
You really have out done yourself Charlie. I needed that laugh tonight. Thank you :)
927cf6 No.777249
>>777221
European are foolish, there are indeed gods/spirits, the loss of the spiritual will destroy the materials slowly. Also Nietzche LAMENTED the death of gods/spirits.
>>777244
A metaphor is NOT objective.
Zeus is NOT a faggot (he literally has a family).
Zeus is more worthy to worship than any random desert jew.
f3b28d No.777253
>>762336
You sound retarded.
ea7ef3 No.777262
>>777249
There are spirits but what sets europeans apart is that they stopped worshipping spirits and took godhood into their own hands. The first european colonizers, spain, ended up with little to show for their trouble. It wasnt until after the enlightment and the unabashed atheism of North and Western europe that europeans rightly conquered the world. You want your european birthright? Worship man.
355270 No.777274
I'll never understand how people expect other cultures to accept Christ but then have a meltdown as soon as someone tells them Christianity isn't European or white. Of course it's not, it's also not Asian nor African yet the faith spreads there. Jesus came to save all souls of all nations.
0634a2 No.777276
>>777262
>The first european colonizers, spain, ended up with little to show for their trouble.
We conquered most of the planet and made cool stuff, before Enlightenment fedoras started speaking.
>It wasnt until after the enlightment and the unabashed atheism of North and Western europe that europeans rightly conquered the world.
And yet, today's hegemon, the US, grew from a Frontier semi-backwater that was 12% Christian, into a world power, happened in parallel with it's spiritual awakenings.
>You want your european birthright? Worship man.
"In the place of the old Christian enthusiasms of Europe there came, for a time, the enthusiasm for nationality, the religion of patriotism. But self-worship is not enough, and the forces that are making for the destruction of our culture, notably the Communist propaganda from Moscow, have a likelier future before them than our old-fashioned patriotism." - Hilaire Belloc, The Great Heresies (1938)
Self-masturbatory humanism is what got us into this mess.
Also, thanks for proving my point that modern paganism is either bitter and vague fedora neo-nazi naturalistic crap, or neo-age woo.
c5f003 No.777412
>>777112
>Just hold on a minute here, who and what allows Charlesmagne, a monarch, to reform the Church?
The fact that he was appointed by the pope as Holy Roman Emperor as is depicted in the pic. True monarchs are given their office by the divine, not by men.
>Apparently, this is the same god's church, but somehow Charlesmagne has the power to reform it, with no scriptures to back up, and just base on his sense of morality (more like favoritism).
You're claim here has literally no evidence. You don't even know the reforms he put in place, so how can you claim they aren't scriptural? Given that he is/was beloved by Christians unlike so may other monarchs that came after him, I'm doubtful he enacted anything that the church itself opposed. The church isn't afraid to oppose monarchs. Look at Pope Gregory VII and King Henry IV.
>And the Catholic cucks dare say their church has prevailed.
Lol.
c5f003 No.777414
>>777216
>I come here in hope that whites wake up and stop giving their spiritual energy to literal desert demon.
You pagan fools just can't admit that Europe under Christianity wasn't weak, can you?
While we were fighting off the Moors and the Saracen hordes y'all were busy raping and pillaging other white people while praising your thunder "god".
36818f No.777416
Christianity is the religion of Europeans. Christianity is also the religion of Asians, Africans, Americans, and Australians. To limit it to only one group is wrong. Those who take the negative (Christianity is no-ones religion) miss the point. Christ comes to us ALL, that means He is present in all. This is the very nature of Truth. He exists beyond us. What the "pagans" believe is truth is race above all else. I cannot fault him for caring for his people, but it is wrong to elevate it above everything else. To put faith into man at all is a guarantee of disappointment.
c5f003 No.777418
>>777416
I've already said it in this thread I'm 789ef9, but I switched computers but these people are just WN who can't handle that their ancestors worshiped "a Jew" and so go all the way back to paganism because "blood and soil" and pretend like Europe actually progressed more under Paganism than it did under Christianity. They repeat modernist "intellectual" memes about the middle ages and say that Europe was better as a bunch of barbarians because Nordic/Germanic paganism "encourages strength" Despite the fact that they're mostly neck-beards who haven't even fought anyone before, let alone killed someone I only entertain this sort of crap for my own amusement, as their sophistry and mental gymnastics are hilarious to me. The amount of willful ignorance and historic revisionism is laughable for people who claim to be honoring historic Europeans.
Like, his example of the Japanese is terrible because Japan never stopped practicing Shintoism. Plus, their religious convictions are an amalgam of Buddhist,Shinto, and Christian influences. Europe on the other hand did stop practicing paganism for over a millennium, and Christianity was a key aspect of European culture all the way up until the late 20th century.
Beside, the Japanese are disarmed pussies now who idolize commercialism more than any other nation on the planet. The only worthwhile place in Japan is Nagasaki, for obvious reasons.
36818f No.777420
>>777418
Maybe you should leave here for awhile if you've become so uncharitable. It's hard not to become frustrated with "pagans" because they're foolish, but to fall far below them is even worse. That you've even started arguing on his level is a defeat.
c5f003 No.777423
>>777420
>Maybe you should leave here for awhile if you've become so uncharitable.
What do you mean? They're wrong, and even if we correct them they will tell us we're wrong with little to no evidence and pure conjecture. I would love it if they actually took anything I tell them to heart, but they don't.
>That you've even started arguing on his level is a defeat.
I'm not christian because Europe was strong under Christianity. It's just that their argument is that Europe wasn't strong under Christian rule, and that christian nations as a whole are inherently weak, which is untrue. I'm merely correcting them, even if they refuse to heed what I say without any meaningful points to the contrary.
True, I do mention things like the barbaric behavior of the Nords and their own personal lack of adherence to their professed faith, but that's only because I want to point out the flaws in their own logic and behavior.
36818f No.777428
>>777423
>I only entertain this sort of crap for my own amusement, as their sophistry and mental gymnastics are hilarious to me.
This is what I mean. I don't think he's honest either, but I have to act as if he were. To do so otherwise only breeds contempt, and not love. To build it up based on his assertions will not lead him to truth but further delusion. We have enough who do that already.