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Believe Jesus is your saviour

Get baptized

if you sin after that, REPENT

>>737753

What if I sin without knowing it?

Let go of everything and allow Christ to reign king of your heart

>>737754

You have to know it's a sin to be in a state of sin. Everyone sins every day, often without realizing it.

>>737754

Repent for all of your sins "voluntary or involuntary"

<and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household." (Acts 16:30-31 NAS)

<And it shall be, that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.' (Acts 2:21 NAS)

<if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; (Rom. 10:9 NAS)

I hear a lot of people saying that you always have to obey the words of Jesus too and if you don't you lose your salvation. The obedience part is fine, but I can't do it perfectly. Knowing how messed up I am, I'm sure to be tricked by some depressive period and turn my back on him or something. I keep hearing about ship wrecking your faith and if you mess up or sin deliberately you go to hell. I want to be saved, but it seems like a lot of uncertainty for a God who says his son took all the punishment. What if you mess up and don't know it? Yet people keep telling me that salvation is actually really simple. It doesn't seem simple, and there seems to be a thousand opinions on what's true. Can you know you're saved or do you just have to wait until you die? Doesn't seem simple.

>>737762

>Can you know you're saved

< He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life. (1 Jn. 5:12-13 NAS)

If you have Jesus, you are saved

>If you sin you go to hell

<14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.

<15 For that which I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate.

<16 But if I do the very thing I do not wish to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good.

<17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which indwells me. (Rom. 7:14-17 NAS)

The apostle Paul sinned post-conversion too, but he remained saved throughout

<24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

<25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! (Rom. 7:24-25 NAS)

and how was he saved, and how did he know?

<There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Rom. 8:1 NAS)

>>737765

Thanks that sort of makes sense. I've been listening to a lot of teachers to figure this out, whenever one makes it clear, another makes it complicated. What you say seems to be the common consensus, but then other teachers turn it around and call it "easy believism" or whatever. I've been reading the Bible a lot lately, and I feel like being saved is what I'm meant to do but something tells me just believing isn't enough, and if there is more, I don't think I could keep up with it all my life until I die. Then if I do get saved, I see all these people around me who call themselves Christians and it makes me worry about them too. I think the bible also says that even the demons believe and you shouldn't just trust in your belief alone. Like you only have to believe, but also there are things you have to do. And people even go their entire lives thinking they're doing good and get to judgement day and it turns out it was all either imperfect faith or works or whatever.

>>737767

You're approaching it the right way by judging teaching against what the Bible says

Believing really is enough, and your part of it really is easy. The truth of the matter really is that all "faith and" answers are adding to what scripture clearly teaches:

<"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. (Jn. 3:16 NAS)

There are plenty of instructions to follow after that, like baptism, that do not affect your status as saved

Here's a great gospel presentation: https://swbts.edu/about/mans-need-salvation/

>>737741

Become part if Catholic Church.

>>737769

The Catholic church can save me? Doesn't seem so from what I'm reading, but if I'm lead in that direction maybe but lets not open this can of worms fam.

>>737768

What about Hebrews 6 and 10? It makes it seem like you can royally screw up so badly that you can basically be put out of God forever but everything I read seems to swear this isn't actually what's going on here. I'm asking how to be saved here because I know a forum won't overcomplicate things. Can you or someone else explain salvation to me like I'm a child? I've got a case of the dumbs tbh, Thanks anon.

>>737770

you're probably concerned with Heb 6:4-6

<For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

<5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

<6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. (Heb. 6:4-6 NAS)

The best I can say is that these people weren't saved, since they were unrenewed, but they were still partakers of the Spirit. "Partakers of the spirit" must have some application to unsaved people. Maybe it's the same group as this:

<21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.

<22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

<23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.' (Matt. 7:21-23 NAS)

>Can you explain salvation to me like I'm a child?

God created man at the beginning of time. Adam was the first man, but he sinned and the world was cursed. To sin is to disobey God. In every generation since then, every man has sinned. The punishment for the sins we commit is eternity in Hell, but God graciously provided a means to forgiveness. He sent His son to be born as man and live the perfect life that no-one else could. Jesus was killed as a sacrifice to atone for all sin ever committed. He was buried, then resurrected three days later.

Since Jesus did this for us, all we have to do is trust in Him to be saved from damnation just like the Bible says. We will die here, but go to heaven until we are also physically resurrected when God brings about the new creation.

>>737776

I am concerned with Hebrews, and it looks like these are problem verses for a lot of people, but it's obvious that it's not talking about unbelievers, because it's clear who it is talking to. And I'm sure that's why it seems to trouble a lot of people.

Give your allegiance to God, all that you have and capable of doing into His hands. Then go to a traditional Protestant church to receive the Holy Spirit as grace by them from the Son. And how you'll certainly know (don't mistake this for "being") that you're saved is when the Spirit's fruits are growing in your labor for the Father.

>>737809

If your heart is right can you take communion in rememberance of what Christ did? Or do you need the piety of priest to do it for you?

>>737806

that doesn't sound quite right, what do you really think?

>>737741

Stop being Catholic, start being Christian. Become Orthodox.

>>737741

Have faith.

>>737796

Hebrews is written to Christians, who are saved

<Therefore, holy brethren (Heb. 3:1 NAS)

It later talks about apostates, who are not part of the author's audience

>>737754

Guess what. Even saved people sin bud. The difference is that now we know it's wrong.

There's always that little voice in the back of your mind reminding you.

Congratulations if you are saved. Doesn't mean life on Earth gets any better, quite the opposite in fact to be honest in some regards.

Just know that this isn't our permanent home and that we have an eternity in Heaven to look forward to.

>>737806

Even Anderson does baptisms

So basically what I'm getting from this is you gain salvation by believing, Christ taking all the punishment, but if you screw up enough, you lose your salvation. This isnt making sense

>>738064

asking a catholic how to get saved is like asking a rock how to swim

>>737865

>There's always that little voice in the back of your mind reminding you

How many little voices are too many and what if you're receiving mixed messege's

>>738064

>but if you screw up enough, you lose your salvation

Nope. Still saved.

>>737753

Agree with first, next two no

>>737806

this

>>737812

Just because you can still sin doesn't mean you should

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.