a98451 No.520608[Last 50 Posts]
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afb2dd No.789108
Mods please remove this filth thread:
>>789099
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eb36b1 No.789144
>>788850
>Implying the mods here care about freedom of speech
you must be new here, welcome!
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9dbef5 No.790942
Boy you guys really scrambled to delete a thread that was just politely asking why suicide is sinful
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904245 No.790947
>>790942
With more sensitive topics they just can't be safely had without very high risks of scandal so we don't allow them. We've had threads with that same topic before and they always went in a bad direction, it's something some people might benefit from discussing, but an anonymous imageboard just isn't the place for it.
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82e99b No.793490
>>788850
same for australia now i have to use a shitty web proxy
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e384aa No.793815
Maybe now is a good time to enact the "anti-copypasta" rule to prevent the fedora from spamming his tired copypasta around here?
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307884 No.795473
Please enable logs. I've witnessed some very biased moderation.
Let's take a poll on it here to gauge opinion:
https://www.strawpoll.me/17805670
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153e82 No.795477
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307884 No.795481
>>795477
Why not just open the logs and justifiably ban those harassing spammers?
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1913f5 No.795727
Is Christian Identity welcome here?
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e1e745 No.795878
>>795727
"Christian Identity" is about as Christian as "Christian Scientist".
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e1361b No.796123
>>795473
>>795481
You don't like the moderation you make your own board or migrate to one that's more to your taste. What's so hard to understand about that?
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b2bd9f No.796744
>>796123
The (((mods))) do not have the right to ban the gospel of Jesus Christ
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153e82 No.796858
>>796744
The mods have the right to ban whatever they want. It doesn't MAKE them right, but they HAVE the right.
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b2bd9f No.796961
>>796858
No, they don't. They will stand before Christ one day and He will not say "well, it was your right as the moderator of a mongolian basket-weaving forum to persecute me". Caesar didn't have that right, and they certainly don't have that right.
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41853c No.796963
>>796961
Hyperbole, you have the right to take your ball and leave. The moderators are not persecuting Christ and you should be wary of using Our Lord for your hysterics.
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153e82 No.796985
>>796961
Are you seriously comparing an 8chan board enforcing its rules to the persecution of Christ? Seriously?
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035205 No.797014
>>795473
How long has it been since they were open?
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02040f No.797028
>>797014
>Only 15 of the over 300 unique IPs wants open logs
>implying a private board is a democracy
>implying one can't simply go to obe of the many other boards
You people complain too much
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035205 No.797034
>>797028
Did I say any of that?
I'm beginning to suspect that there's a reason the mere suggestion of opening the logs is met with such disproportionate hostility. My noggin is truly joggin.
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886e10 No.797053
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>797034
Hence why I said implying you galaxy brained newfriend. Look up itt and you will see your vain petitions for mod logs has been answered already.
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e7aa11 No.797150
>>797053
>proving his point
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b2bd9f No.797352
>>796963
>>796985
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
You can pretend it's totally okay to persecute Christ just because it's online but that will not save you from His judgement
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c44942 No.797357
>>797352
This board is not the kingdom of heaven and getting banned from it does not shut you out of the kingdom of heaven. This board isn't even a church. Are you insane or just retarded?
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c44942 No.797358
>>797014
It's been about 18 months to 2 years since the logs were open.
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b2bd9f No.797371
>>797357
>This board is not the kingdom of heaven
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
>getting banned from it does not shut you out of the kingdom of heaven
No, but getting banned for preaching the gospel does shut out those who have not heard it. When facebook bans Christians for calling sodomites to repentance, will you applaud it? What about when Christians are thrown in jail for the gospel? Where do you draw the line in justifying persecution?
I'm sure Christ will be enthralled by these pathetic excuses
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367d50 No.797391
>>797358
So it's never been open while tutor was BO?
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d4e3db No.798644
daily reminder that the discord server killed this board
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28ee2e No.798694
>>798644
Yeah, this. This board grew to be the main one under good leadership and then like a parasite in a hostile takeover came the new admin swooping in with the new rules, giving permabans for paltry reasons and removing flags and other offenses.
He could never have built a board from scratch like this.
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367d50 No.798732
>>798644
How so? Any relevant screencaps?
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d4e3db No.798769
>>798732
instead of discussing things on the board things are discussed on the discord.
>the discord is for fellowship
yeah sure but i bet most of the regulars on the discord dont even use the board anymore
>>788850
you can't post images or create threads over tor so im not sure why its disabled. if there's spam just ban tor for a few hours
>>798694
>hostile takeover
doubt it, although its a shame flags were removed
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f37e1a No.798775
newfag here, how do i join the discord?
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060540 No.798879
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6b5eeb No.798936
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e19634 No.799157
>>798955
>>798980
Please guys this is not what meta is for.
>>798936
updated link at the top.
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04ca97 No.799332
>>799157
Thanks for always being a good moderator and board owner.
Just kidding you suck
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a55a11 No.799368
>>799157
Any reason why you let this place turn into a tradcath subreddit?
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153e82 No.799373
>>799368
Maybe you should stop clinging to a 3 year old post as gospel truth. Everything man-made changes.
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a55a11 No.799403
>>799373
Is this a concession that there clearly isn't moderate moderation any more?
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153e82 No.799427
>>799403
I don't speak for the mods. I just find it stupid to cling to an ancient post and demand it still be carved in stone truth. Think about yourself 3 years ago. Are you the same now as you were then?
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6a2f0f No.799428
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a55a11 No.799431
>>799427
My point is that I'm not allowing you to pivot away from the question of if the change was good or not. I don't have an irrational fear of change, drop the strawman.
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368030 No.799439
>>799431
>if the change was good or not
Oh, you want my opinion? I see nothing wrong with the board the way it is.
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fe146e No.799442
>>799439
Every one of your 5 posts on your other vpn ID is mod toekissing by pivoting the discussion away from valid criticism. It is safe to say you are not a neutral observer.
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368030 No.799443
>>799442
Oh … so you don't actually want my opinion unless it agrees with yours. Noted.
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4ef21a No.799594
is tor disabled because your moderators cant be bothered being moderators?
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e6e4ae No.799600
>>799594
TOR is disabled so you can't post your loli porn here. gb2 /b/.
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4ef21a No.799643
>>799600
you cant post images or make threads over tor
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c21b93 No.799803
>>799643
You can embed video using TOR.
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224486 No.801895
When are the logs going to be opened? What are you hiding from us, Tutor?
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c21b93 No.801899
>>801895
>surely it will change if I ask 1000 times!
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c21b93 No.801926
>>801912
>literal concern troll
The NZ shooter posted on /pol/. Go ask them to make a sticky denouncing him.
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02fd4e No.801937
>>801912
>He uses a lot of Christian references and says in his manifesto that he is from 8chan.
False flag confirmed
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c21b93 No.801985
>>801982
>everyone who quotes the Bible is Christian
wew lad
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2a5e89 No.801986
>>801912
>>801982
>sage in a sticky
>concern troll
>false flag
>posting the NZ manifesto
Here's your (you).
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974563 No.801987
>>801985
>Firstly, just because someone calls themselves a Christian does not make them one. Plenty of people wrongfully identify with being Christian.
It's right from his manifesto… the kid thinks he's the real Christian because he's taking up arms and gunning down Kazarian Jews while he probably thinks /christian/ is full of apostates…
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c21b93 No.802008
>>802003
The only person in the world that is equating /christian/ to JTE is you. Literally only you.
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ed52cc No.802058
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3f5cbc No.802183
What is the minimum time someone has to lurk here before posting?
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dd5397 No.802186
>>802183
378 days but only if you confessed recently. 2251 days if protestant and then only 2 posts per day with no more than 200 characters each.
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c7caef No.802342
I've been banned for no reason, my appeal has been ignored, and I have no way of reaching the discord. Pls help.
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c23a96 No.802352
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e19634 No.802353
>>802342
Discord link updated.
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254e38 No.802359
>>802183
you need to have not used discord for a year
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c90ec8 No.802509
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c21b93 No.802575
>>802509
>he thinks we're a democracy
Awwww cute.
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6e3d74 No.802728
>>802575
Whichever mod you are I hope you realize these little condescending shitposts you love to make in the guise of a common anon only make people hate you more
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ddabfc No.802731
>>802728
Lol, he mad.
If you hate the mods so much, why don't you…you know…leave in protest?
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035205 No.802784
>>802575
Look what I said: "to gauge opinion"
Don't strawman me. We can tell you're trying to distract from the very reasonable argument that it would be better if he logs were open.
Leave the condescending mocking on discord.
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6a2f0f No.802802
>>802728
>everyone who disagrees with my agenda is a mod
lol
>>802784
The fact that you think opinion should dictate policy proves that you should have no say in how any board is run.
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8fc41f No.802819
>>802802
Gaslighting
More strawman
Let any observer note I'm not advocating policy by democracy
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8fde38 No.802823
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6a2f0f No.802846
>>802819
>I'm not advocating policy by democracy
No, just by popular opinion. Same thing, really.
>>802823
>I don't like change. Plz undo change. I will whine on every IP I can hop to to create false consensus.
Do you know how terrible this place was back on the old BO? Every other thread was Gnostic heresy and the other half was "If God real, why bad thing?" The board actually has Christian discussion now. Net positive, friend.
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8fc41f No.802849
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c21b93 No.802851
>>802849
Such razor wit and formidable argumentation! How will I ever recover?
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9b7c75 No.802859
>>802851
By camping out and getting the last word apparently
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51570b No.802889
>>802846
>Do you know how terrible this place was back on the old BO? Every other thread was Gnostic heresy and the other half was "If God real, why bad thing?"
Um no it wasn't they were expecting you to have explanations for your post and there was no gnostic flag. You're just making stuff up now. And nobody was just sitting there handing out permanent bans for no reason. The current stuff is just a bunch of goons squatting on a board they did nothing to promote.
And I've been warning about it within weeks of this thread having been posted.
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073b8d No.803025
Can you guys please lift my ban? There isn't even a reason cited why. I don't know what I did wrong.
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4772e6 No.803057
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4772e6 No.803065
>>803060
Make a saint of the day thread and It'll get automatically locked.
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863197 No.803066
>>803065
Lol
The rule was made that saint of the day be kept in one thread. That's not censorship. Even when the rule-violating thread was made, it wasn't deleted.
Contrast that with here. My point is being made as we speak, posts are getting deleted and permabans handed out. And for what? What rule is ever violated? They don't say on the ban and the logs aren't open.
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4772e6 No.803068
>>803066
>it's not censorship when we do it
Hilarious
And don't come in here acting like the turboprot are dindus. They violated rule 2 many times. Besides this is a private board, this isn't a government where you get free speech. Don't like it? Then Cry Me a River.
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863197 No.803069
>>803068
No, it's by definition not censorship. I'm not saying these mods have to use the same rules, I'm just pointing someone to a better alternative when they're censored here.
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5d55fe No.803510
Why can't I poat VP9 webms?
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30c047 No.804579
>>804574
They'll never give us answers. The moderation here is some of the worst on the entire website. inb4 ban
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359131 No.804623
>>803025
Chances are that you didn’t do anything wrong; the mods’ censorship of ideas that oppose Catholicism rivals that of the 16th century Church’s
Inb4 I get banned
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9df75f No.804799
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c21b93 No.804853
>>804799
Open TOR
1] Vote
2] BackSpace
3] Ctrl-Shift-L
4] Goto 1
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639e0d No.804865
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d8df8d No.804886
>>520608
Why is the discord link always down?
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e192c6 No.804905
>>804886
You know you don't need a new invite every time, right? If you've been there once, it will always show up on your list whenever you login to discord.
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9b7c75 No.804942
>>804853
>>804865
Well, now it's useless
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c44942 No.805097
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d8df8d No.805719
>>804905
Need to rec it, got banned, Discord account password lost, etc, there is a million reasons why one could need a link, contacting the mods outside of this thread, contacting tutor's DMs, etc, etc, are reasons, it should be up always
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2039ec No.806916
This place has been mentioned in Encyclopedia Dramatica. Expect an influx of new posters.
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36fc3c No.807014
>>806916
Wowie, people still visit ED?
I thought that place died when Girlvinyl sold out and made it a normie meme page.
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5c772b No.807395
Why are posts always getting deleted around here? I can't follow the arguments being made when half of the discussion has disappeared :(
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70436e No.807398
>>807395
I like to participate in discussions and delete my own posts then hop IPs and blame it on Vols. Hilarity ensues.
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a86f7e No.807400
>>807398
>>807395
There's actually this great feature on 8chan where you can see who's the one deleting a post. The BO has to enable it though.
This guy is just trying to muddy the waters. It's the mods.
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e73403 No.807463
Why doesn't "papist" break Rule 2?
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70436e No.807464
>>807463
"Papist" is a pejorative for Catholic. It's a deliberate insult that's been around for a long, long time.
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e73403 No.807465
>>807464
I understand that. Rule 2 "includes all antagonism" including "insults."
It seems to me that using "papist" would qualify as an offense under Rule 2.
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70436e No.807466
>>807465
Oh! I misunderstood you. Yes, casual use of it should be included as a Rule 2 offense. Though it would be more amusing to simply word filter it to Catholic.
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da4137 No.807637
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630813 No.807638
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5dc0d8 No.807644
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ff0d59 No.808128
Am I allowed to make a thread where I would post everyday a few chapters from the Books of Meqabyan (Ethiopic Maccabees)?
I ask because I don't know if it's legal. The canonical and deuterocanonical books of the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions are of course legal to post here, because they are on Bible Gateway. But I'm not sure if it's legal to post big parts from the deuterocanonical books that are exclusive to Oriental Orthodox canons. I speak here of Jubilees, Enoch, 1 Meqabyan, 2 Meqabyan, 3 Meqabyan, Psalms 152-155, 2 Baruch, and 4 Baruch.
They can be found online (like on http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/ ), but I don't know if it's legal for them to be there. As for the Ethiopic Maccabees, the only proper English translation of all 3 books is behind a paywall - you need to buy Feqade Selassie's translation.
I own it, but do you think it would be fine if I posted about 5 chapters every day? Or is it too much content at once, especially since people can save the text and so it would be essentially piracy?
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e73403 No.808218
>>808128
The only issue is if the translation is copyrighted. For example, the link you gave had a public domain translation of Jubilees from 1913. So no issues there.
You'd probably be better off just making a pdf and posting it though.
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e1e745 No.808231
>>808218
There used to be a pdfs thread, but I guess it slid off the board.
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05e70b No.808248
>>808218
It is copyrighted. The pdf says:
>Translated from the Orthodox Amharic Bible into Standard English by Ras Feqade Selassie, (c) 2008
But, as far as I know, posting excerpts of copyrighted works is legal. But is a whole chapter an "excerpt"? And again, the issue is that if I post the entire books over time, someone can simply copy-paste the posts on a text file and so it's no different from simply pirating the book, which is of course illegal and a sin.
I was thinking of posting 5 chapters every day for the sake of discussing them, though. It's not like these 3 books are discussed often.
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e73403 No.808255
>>808248
>I was thinking of posting 5 chapters every day for the sake of discussing them, though.
Wew lad. I don't think anyone is going to read all that, tbh. It'll 100% devolve into people screaming about KJV Onlyism and what should be canon and blah blah blah.
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05e70b No.808376
>>808255
I'm banned from nearly every other Christian forum board I have an account on, anyway, so who else am I going to discuss it with?
Anyway, I'm waiting for a mod's answer. I would go on their discord but I'm banned from there too.
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1cf9ae No.808405
>>808376
…and this 110th is supposed to give you refuge because we like Rastafarians?
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0fde92 No.808468
>>808255
Sounds like a serious (You) problem to be honest.
I hope you work out whatever issue it is that causes other good folk to purge you from their domains.
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0fde92 No.808469
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5d718b No.808478
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bf80b2 No.808580
>>808128
As long as you are not spamming threads, you will be fine.
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b87f60 No.808627
Would a mod kindly delete my blogpost in this thread https://8ch.net/christian/res/803941.html?
Also, you could delete this post after the other one is deleted, that'd be great.
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713e31 No.808629
Why was my thread about Beyond Jordan deleted? It's relevant to the board and there wasn't a thread for it yet.
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d834c1 No.808651
>>808627
Make sure to report your thread so they will be able to see it and make it easier to delete
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691216 No.808941
>>808629
i may have killed the thread with my ironic turkposting
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290f1e No.809022
Hi, can I get an updated discord link? Do I need to post my discord handle? Thanks :)
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b6517c No.809027
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401809 No.809030
>>809027
That's the problem when you have mods that only check their board once every 24 hours, spammers notice that too and spam with reckless abandon.
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290f1e No.809250
>>809022
bumping this comment
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5a5059 No.809302
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963a07 No.809364
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a9929d No.809441
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89aaa1 No.809536
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6406a1 No.809776
Hay muchos hilos de spam en el catálogo. ¡A trabajar, mods!
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f0997e No.810041
>>809776
Learn to spoken English
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adfdba No.810095
Hey mods, can you bloody delete the gay porn in this thread at once? https://8ch.net/christian/res/807192.html#809050
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cacc89 No.811105
>>520608
The discord invite link is expired
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29b0d7 No.811264
Mods, can you please just restrict it to like one post an hour? That’ll stop this spam
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9fd938 No.811928
Why was my thread on "Let's have a confession thread" deleted? Would like an explanation.
Thank you.
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c94b4f No.811930
>>811928
Don't expect one. The moderation here is entirely arbitrary and opening the logs is out of the question.
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9fd938 No.811932
>>811930
>opening the logs is out of the question.
Why is that ?
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0029b0 No.812058
>>811928
Because confession is a sacrament.
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53cdd7 No.812085
>>812058
That's a catholic doctrine, not a biblical one. So why is it being enforced on the CHRISTIAN board?
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904245 No.812171
>>811928
It was explained in the ban reason.
Having people graphically detailing sins they've committed isn't good for them or anyone who reads them. Several posts that were deleted involved graphic descriptions of sexual sins. It said you could remake it if you removed the thing that talked about publicly confessing your sins on the board.
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a02f22 No.812596
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f39246 No.813015
>>812085
I don't know the point of this board anymore…
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191ddc No.813381
>>813015
it's used by tutor to get more people onto his discord
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41853c No.813436
>why does my anti-catholic idiocy get deleted?
Are you STILL here, STILL wasting your lives with this?
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2b0847 No.813619
tutor's moderation of /christian/ has taken me a long way. (I haven't used /christian/ since 2011 and that was before the rise of /non-denominational/.
I am not a fan of 'Christian orthodoxy', so I'm not sure what it feels like to have Christians who are against 'Christian orthodoxy' and have a problem with all 'non-denominational' religions. But the idea that something can be 'non-denominational' without being a 'real' religion seems bizarre, too, and I don't know that I understand the logic. If you make the Christian Church the official religion of the USA, what are the consequences?
You are probably going to have to take me back to school.
I'm going to have to move again. If I was not going to use the word 'chronicle', I would have 'diseased' or 'misfeeling'. 'Fracture in the structure' seems more appropriate here. Anyway, I'll be back later.
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439912 No.813943
>>813619
What are you trying to say?
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87f005 No.814421
>>813619
>I haven't used /christian/ since 2011
8chan was founded in 2013.
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cf2bb5 No.814906
Can you guys enable Tor? I'm scared to post here and be caught for being a Christian is subject to persecution in my country. I am taking a risk even posting this from behind a proxy and so I'm only going to do it once. Please enable Tor.
If not I will have to stay a lurker and not be able to post here.
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e19634 No.814977
>>814906
You make a compelling point. I'll enable it. If it doesn't cause problems we'll just keep it. Stay safe.
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6a2f0f No.815710
>>814977
Excellent! Now, taking bets on how long before a zealous Vol permabans a TOR post.
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43ee64 No.815920
Why was my post deleted?
I asked what the difference is between this board and the other boards. Is this not the meta thread?
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c21b93 No.815945
>>815920
This is the /christian/ meta, not the /everyotherboardtoo/ meta.
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43ee64 No.815949
>>815945
Is that why it was deleted? I thought making a new thread would be wasteful
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734f3d No.815950
>>520608
Why did the Positive Christianity inquiry get deleted. It should stand as a symbol of opposition and rebuke of such heresy. Delete it, and people remain ignorant.
All my effort rebuking that trite has now gone to waste.
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90fedb No.816063
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94336b No.816065
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76dda3 No.816210
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baca32 No.816213
>>815950
There's a /pol/ thread stickied where people can discuss that drivel.
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15c22f No.816214
>>816213
It's an issue of Heresy. Politics just happen to be a core element of it.
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9c4949 No.816409
Zoroastrianism thread deleted. What is the point in this place if you can't actually discuss anything.
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dd8af8 No.816507
>>816506
Sorry to see this. Maybe the mods should reconsider. Not good to be hostile towards Hot Wheels. He seems like a nice guy overall? Please reconsider mods, maybe this was a mistake.
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a86e12 No.816508
>>816507
Based on the image he's a shitposter so he should remain banned tbh
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dd8af8 No.816554
>>816508
Maybe you could make a small exception for him, since he is the creator of this website?
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2aaad9 No.816656
>>816554
How can you be so sure it's him?
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1105da No.816695
Really starting to think this board is being sabotaged from the inside, I get that there's been a large influx of low quality shit post and larpers lately, but this is getting ridiculous.
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baca32 No.816714
>>816695
>lately
I want to live under the rock you've been under for the last 2 years.
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3f5cbc No.816774
>>816695
I don't get your point. What is so outrageous about that screencap?
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dd8af8 No.816823
>>816656
Because he posted it on his twitter
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dd8af8 No.816824
What happened to the E Michael Jones thread?
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1105da No.816831
>>816774
The fact that they are just deleting conversations left and right for no good reason.
>>816714
You're welcome to join me, tbh, even if its christian board, the less I get to pointlessly browse the internet, the better.
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6a8a51 No.816833
>>816695
Yeah, I posted in there and thread got deleted I wonder…
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ba1ece No.817276
For the love of God, whoever is running /christian/ board, could you please get more mods for these late hours so autistic spam like >>817245 won't spam all throughout the threads
I'm honestly baffled that 8chan in general doesn't have an auto ban system for obvious cut & paste shit like this.
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fdd707 No.817292
>>817276
Imagine getting banned for posting the same Bible verse an anon posted
But at least for duplicate threads, there's 6 from him
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e1f0f9 No.817315
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e1f0f9 No.817335
>>817321
Ah, it's you. I mean no personal offence, but your behavior seems to be quite disruptive. I kindly ask you to stop posting the same thread over and over again. Also please don't post pornography here, if, by any chance, you're the homosexual porn spammer.
Yours truly,
Christanon
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fdd707 No.817395
>>817392
Pray inside your head
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9a6833 No.817441
I just came to thank the mods for dealing with that prayer-spammer. The catalog looks clean now. The difference you guys make is appreciated.
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258a89 No.817707
>>817639
you not gonna get anywhere acting like a petulant child anon. i pity you fedora man : /
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ed08c7 No.817719
>he's going to come back
Worst thing is he doesn't seem to be a troll. I've already tried showing him how prayer works but he won't listen. Let's pray for him yes, but not for his demands but for his conversion to a true faith
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b1a309 No.817909
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b1a309 No.817911
>>817910
You have to deposit at least 1 million dollars into my bank account for it to work :^)
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ba1ece No.818000
As mildly annoying and minor inconvenience this recent random spammer might be to me, I do like to thank & remind others to thank the mods who're keeping this board a place we can still come back to. While not always the fastest at times (If we need more mods then I pray we get a few more soon to ease the load), the forums are still usable in the end due to your efforts. Thank mod(s).
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d8df8d No.818284
Since the raids are over can we get the Discord link back?
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e19634 No.818374
>>818284
It never went down.
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d8df8d No.818471
Why have the mods just left porn on the board for 2 hours?
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64f37e No.818475
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dd8af8 No.818539
>>818475
This board is dead now
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7ce4bc No.818551
I hope this reply isn't premature, but thanks mods!
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e95913 No.818960
I would like to suggest to the mods to , if the spam gets too out of control, enable the R9K thingamajig.
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86d6b4 No.819334
>>818960
There are easy workarounds the r9k bot, for example, a spammer can simply add some GUID after each post.
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b2bc0b No.819941
>>819334
I don't think the spammers are that advanced.
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bf80b2 No.820943
To the user I banned for posting the Hagia Sophia and saying it was a "mosque", I am sorry. It was an egregious joke and something that I should have not done. It only made the mod team on this board look bad. I only realized my mistake after being scolded, and I ask for the forgiveness of the user who was banned.
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7da26b No.820960
>>820943
Not him, but I appreciate the accountability.
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d8df8d No.821002
>>820943
God bless you Mick.
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7571be No.821551
>>820943
Mick, I really appreciate this and you are the best. May the Virgin Mary look favorably upon you.
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b22c25 No.821700
>>820943
Great post, couldn't have asked for more
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b91869 No.821762
>>820943
We forgive you Mick
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091988 No.821784
>>820943
Mick, I truly believe you are on your way to sainthood. Nobody is perfect except God and your post shows the level of humility that many of us lack. God bless you brother.
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477af0 No.821803
>>820943
you should be board moderator, imho
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324f01 No.821810
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40e84e No.821831
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0a5133 No.822854
>>820943
To everyone praising this, you guys should know that it was an empty confession, because I'm still banned for questioning a supposed "joke" ban.
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2891de No.822904
>>822854
You were permabanned because you posted before your temp ban expired, aka ban evasion. Learn how to read and follow the rules. But I guess you'll no longer be able to post on this board anymore, lol.
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17e9f4 No.822910
>>822904
posting before a professed unlawful "joke ban" expired? what does it even mean to "evade" a ban that was incorrect in the first place? And all this just for posting a picture of a church? This has got to be peak ridiculousness.
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6f8b35 No.822916
>>822854
I was not the one who made that second ban. My apology is sincere, I have made a huge mess of things. Please forgive me.
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b18e3f No.822928
>>822910
>And all this just for posting a picture of a church?
It's a picture of an Eastern Orthodox church so it doesn't count
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8a3459 No.822931
>>822854
You expect people to stop forgiving him because you're not allowed to evade bans? Really?
Dude, that's the whole reason appeals exist, it's obvious you can't just dodge bans and get away with it, this is chans 101
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c1b10b No.822932
>>822916
Tell tutor to open the logs, so those unaccountable mods can be known
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ff966d No.822936
>>822931
>this is chans 101
No, it's Pharisee tier legalism that completely overlooks the intentions of posters, and sets a precedent that it does not matter whether anybody violates any actual rules or not, because it sets obedience to arbitrary punishments as the ultimate virtue. You're justifying the persecution of somebody for something utterly innocuous that is completely within the stated rules, only because they were unlawfully labeled as having violated a fake made-up rule in the first place. You can't "evade" something if it never happened in the first place, which is exactly what should've been the case. Do you believe actions like these are in accordance with the faith that this board's name bears? Because the standard for such a board shouldn't be whatever arbitrary secular baggage "chans 101" might stand for, but rather that which Christ stood for. And if it doesn't, then it is wildly disingenuous for this board to pretend that it does for all it's other rules.
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1b2920 No.822942
>>822936
>saging a pinned thread
Lol
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6d310d No.822946
>>822936
>uses sage as downvote
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a5f1f1 No.823112
>>822942
>>822946
Mobile clients have the option to ignore the pinned status of threads when sorting, so I often sage pinned threads too. Screen real-estate is too valuable to just be seeing the same threads over and over again.
Sage to not clutter up my view.
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3b26e3 No.823614
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b9aa3b No.823954
Hi mods and vols. I'm glad we cleared up this misunderstanding with my post that got me banned. God love you all.
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e08331 No.824025
>>797014
And this is exactly why democracies should be avoided. The board owners dont need logs, since the logs just serve to harrass the mods for their decisions
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f97d58 No.824065
Actually imagine sperging out about logs for literally months on end.
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e08331 No.824148
Can the mods please delete the Coptic discussion thread? The the thread is clearly trying to become a coptic fellowship thread, a violation of rule 4. Copts after all do not adhere to the chalcedonian definition
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a5f1f1 No.824149
>>824148
>fellowship thread
following that logic, all the other denomination-specific general threads should be deleted as well
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e08331 No.824151
>>824149
Fellowship threads are allowed for people who adhere to the niceno-constantinopalan creed and the chalcedonian definition. Copts are not christian by this board's definition. Same reason we dont have gnostic fellowship threads or Ibadist fellowship threads
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0f206e No.824377
Thanks mods for the misunderstanding.
>>824148
I'm the Coptanon who made the thread I wasn't trying to make a fellowship thread or ask anyone to join. I merely was asking for perspective from /christian/.
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ff966d No.824456
>>824377
The /christian/ perspective is to submit to Rome otherwise get off the board.
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34c7a5 No.824476
>>824456
It's not just the /christian/ perspective but THE Christian perspective.
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632572 No.824951
>>824949
Only heretics worship saints. Good thing no christians worship saints. You know why? because asking someone to pray for you does not equal worship, my misguided prot friend abandon your traditions of the fornicator known as Luther and come home to Rome already
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cf3cbc No.824958
>>824954
Quit shitting up the meta thread, before one of the mods bans you, newfriend.
and listen to that Anon. Luther was a fornicator and is burning in hell for shattering Christendom and leading Millions astray
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86f579 No.824963
>>824954
>God and Jesus
"Faith alone" doesn't count for much when it's based on heresies like these... and Protestants wonder why we believe there's no salvation outside the Church.
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632572 No.824967
>>824961
>name calling
>false accusations
>shitting up the meta thread
And people wonder why prots get banned all the time.
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042f8e No.825008
If 8chan gets shut down, where do we go Brethren?
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baca32 No.825041
>>825008
8chan won't get shut down unless the admin chooses to do so.
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c233c0 No.825128
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82a8ac No.825165
I miss this place so much. The church in the most unexpected place that I found Him in my darkest hour.
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0cd60a No.825168
You should add tags to /christian/ so that anons searching for keywords on the homepage can come across the board.
Welcome back.
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b112cf No.825293
I really really really missed you all. I know it sounds idiotic but I really relied on this place. I nearly fell into apostasy without it.
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c733fb No.825335
With the flood of obvious bait and open trolling and insults to Christ, and the mods largely dormant or gone, i'd like to help around with moderating this place.
Anyway i could do that?
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18102c No.825340
>>825335
Send a letter to the BO. He is back. It is the holidays however. Don't take the bait, and don't feed the trolls. Just instead pray for their souls.
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8144e9 No.825368
Is there an updated version of the discord link somewhere? Sorry if this question has already been asked recently.
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c9251c No.825375
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4edf15 No.825462
I just wanted to say that I am so grateful that my favorite Christian forum is back. Being stuck on CAF was, metaphorically, hell. Modernists filled to the brim on that site.
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c74fac No.825520
>>825462
This board is amazing. People here are helpful and will always give you honest advice. It's also one of the few places that are not pozzed.
Why is there a second christian board though?
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6bdc13 No.825526
>>825520
Butthurt prots want to be able to insult the Apostolic Churches without being punished for it.
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c4c776 No.825528
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791224 No.825529
>>825520
>Why is there a second christian board though?
A lot Protestants got banned for being nasty and unpleasant.
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4e9cf5 No.825562
>>825529
So when do the janitors come back from their holiday vacation?
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1bbfa9 No.825576
>>825562
>janitors
>4chan term
Go back.
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0149c7 No.825580
The discord link isn't working.
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8aa1b9 No.825658
Does the board need new mods or something?
I am willing to delete garbage like
>>825264
>>779214
>>825512
>>808810
>>825360
>>824349
>>825569
every once in a while.
But I'd sooner not have to use discord.
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acaada No.825660
Hotwheels said his two favorite boards were /christian/ and /leftypol/. Although /leftypol/ very firmly embraced the sort of boost this gave their board, there wasn't the same sort of response from /christian/ - there didn't seem to be any unified response from /christian/.
What is the general opinion of /christian/ about Hotwheels?
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18102c No.825664
>>825660
He showed what he was really about when he tried to take this board away from us. It is coming back now in spite of him. I hope that God blesses him, and we can forgive him, but we should never forget the despicable actions that he has been responsible for.
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122fcf No.825666
>>825660
I'm sure he ment well, but it doesn't excuse the great betrayal he committed to his own creation. The fact that he liked /leftypol/ (which is news to me) only cements the idea in my mind that he is a traitor.
I'm sure he is laughing at all of us (on the site collectively) in his mansion regardless.
As the previous poster already stated, pray for him. While you are at it, pray that the janitors come back and clean up the mess that is on the board. Bring back the quality moderation this board is (in)famous for.
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1bbfa9 No.825667
>>825666
>the great betrayal
He didn't betray us. If your son grew up to be a purple haired gay tranny, do you betray him by denouncing him? 8chan became that which was never intended.
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08dca7 No.825669
>>825667
Doesn't mean he had to shut down the entire site and take the only good board away from us.
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c94b76 No.825671
>>825660
>What is the general opinion of /christian/ about Hotwheels?
The man is hateful, vindictive and is an unironical furfag. He wasn't only trying to shut the site down, he was doing everything in his might to hurt and destroy people who allegedly wronged him in some way. I don't believe he fully embraced Christ at this point.
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2bc215 No.825739
>>825660
Very hateful little goblin. Sad but true. Definite mental illness or other issues have allowed satan to creep in, so sad.
In Christ's time he would have been one of the pharisees calling for Christ's execution for pointing out their hypocrisy and sin. He would denounce Christ as an enemy and have worked any attempts to censor & prevent the spread of Christ's message. Stopping at nothing in his hateful little quest to censor free speech. Sad.
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ab3359 No.825754
If Jesus said about the Father, in Jon 17:3, that he is the only TRUE God (THEON), then how are other two God persons of the trinity also true Gods, would they not be false Gods and contridict what Jesus said, or did Jesus not mean only when he said only?
John 17:1,3
1:After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "FATHER, the hour has come…."
3: Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
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2d3867 No.825794
When God said: “Let us make man in our image” who was he talking to?
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1bbfa9 No.825795
>>825794
Cthulhu, duh!
spoiler alert: God was talking to the Father, the Son, and the Spirit
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aa6f4a No.825803
>>825794
Good question. Christanon said he was talking to himself which I dont think is reasonable to assume. God speaking to the Father, son and Holy Spirit is God speaking to himself. The scripture doesn't state he was talking to himself, but the scriptures do provide a answer to this question.
Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
Angels also called divine beings (theos) were alive before the creation of the earth and also while it was being made. We also know these creatures are like God, as spirit creatures. Job 38 describes the earth being made and how the Angel's were shouting in applause.
Its therefore reasonable to assume that it was these divine beings that God spoke to and said us make man in our image. To add he was talking in regards the qualities of God himself and his divine ones and no regards physical appearance e.g. Love, wisdom, justice etc….
Regards
Kai
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c72f80 No.825858
Just wanted to wish a merry and blessed christmas to all our Orthodox brothers and sisters.
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81d126 No.826010
>>825667
Dude, he went on Vice, NPR… basically name a left leaning news source, and he shilled for it to cover his behind. Vice even did an elaborate animated short of his "side" of the story.
He very clearly sold out to save himself, or for whatever reason. In light of this, as well as his blatant championing of Liberalism and anti-Conservatism posts on Twitter, as well as coming out as a furry, I think it's safe to say that his "conversion" to Christianity was either halfhearted or fraudulent, or that he's outright fallen away into apostasy.
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1bbfa9 No.826043
>>826010
None of that matters and none of it is out of character for HW. The only thing that betrayed 8chan was 8chan itself when it chose to hoot and laugh and revel and worship at the feet of people like Tarrant and Crusius.
8chan shouted "Give us Barabus!" an God was listening.
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738703 No.826052
>>826043
To be fair, that was only /pol/ that approved of the cowardly actions of Tarrant and friends. The rest of the boards on 8chan did not approve. Why forsake the entire site when the cancer was localized and can easily be removed?
It's like killing the entire person because he has cancer on his toe. It makes no sense.
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1bbfa9 No.826054
>>826052
Cancer is a bad analogy. Cancer can kill an entire person. 8chan's cancer got into its blood and killed the entire site when Cloudflare de-platformed it (which had nothing to do with HW). It should also be noted that HW had no control at the time and could not have excised /pol/ - or any board. Further, if Jim had gotten rid of /pol/, guess what would have happened? The infection would spread unchecked.
Not to mention that many boards - this one included - give sanctuary to /pol/ and its filth. This board has an actual sticky devoted to /pol/! That is implicit approval of /pol/'s actions.
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8c2532 No.826070
>>826054
The sticky, like the board, is the quarantine thread for all politics topics. We definitely don't want political talk on this religion board to constantly affect everything. When we used to have mods here they had to delete threads constantly about JQ this and Hitler that. And it actually worked, at least until the great betrayal and now the mods don't even come here anymore.
If the admins did shoah (((/pol))) they would have migrated away from 8chan like they did 4chan before them.
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1bbfa9 No.826095
>>826070
The /pol/ stick has been there since August of 2017, long before the "great betrayal". It was given to /pol/ as a sanctuary because /pol/ convinced this board that all boards are /pol/ boards. We fought against it with the notion that /pol/'s identity politics and culture worship was antithetical to Christian ideals, but tutor decided to let them stay and gave them sanctuary.
If Jim had shut down /pol/, they wouldn't have left. I don't know how you can compare 4chan on that because 4chan never got rid of /pol/. However, since you're using terms like "shoah" and the ((())) thing, you're obviously from /pol/ and are clinging desperately to your foothold on this board.
Well, you can have it. The BO and Vols have abandoned it - which makes no sense because it's here by virtue of the fact that the old BO from 8chan requested it - and now every thread will become a JQ thread or a Hitler thread.
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b1d75c No.826162
Are there even any mods on this board?
Seems like there are none whatsoever
Can I atleast get a response from the BO on this?
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1bbfa9 No.826175
>>826162
>Are there even any mods on this board?
NOPE! Post all the porn you want, negro!
Seems this board was abandoned. Maybe someone will claim it.
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81d126 No.826296
>>826043
>None of that matters and none of it is out of character for HW.
<Old Hotwheels: Former radical free speech activist, who actively stood up for the board against SJW and mainstream media shills. Supposedly converted to Christianity.
<Recent Hotwheels: Shamelessly shills for mainstream leftist media. Champions for left-wing causes and left-wing boards, and openly champions anti-free speech measures for the internet as a whole on his Twitter. Is now an open furry. Clearly wants this board shut down to cover himself and more than likely as part of petty revenge for losing it in the first place.
>"Hotwheels is not acting out of character at all"
Are you new/ignorant, or are you just trolling?
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1bbfa9 No.826301
>>826296
What you spergs fail to realize is that people change as they get older and attain more wisdom. You want HW to be the same person he was a decade or more ago, but are YOU the same person you were 10 years ago? If you actually knew HW and have stuck with him on his journey, then you'd know he's not doing anything out of character for him.
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81d126 No.826318
>>826301
So do you have a personal relationship with him or something, and can prove or verify such things, or are you just blowing smoke?
What is this core of his character that he has supposedly not deviated from at all?
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0149c7 No.826325
>>818374
Yes it did, I have never joined the server before/been banned and it says the link is invalid.
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974bf5 No.826333
>>825529
>A lot Protestants got banned for being nasty and unpleasant.
>Gaslighting yourself this hard.
>Not understanding the troubles and heartache Tutor caused by his cult-like Rad Trad mod team.
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81d126 No.826350
>>826333
Slight correction: Tutor had a Rad Novus Ordo mod team. Even Rad Trad Catholics came over to /christianity/.
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6498e5 No.826355
>>826350
Enlighten me please, a poor dumb Protty, what's the difference between Novus Ordo and Rad Trad?
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81d126 No.826356
>>826355
Chill, I'm Baptist myself. Not being condescending, just trying to be accurate.
The point is that Catholics on this board who thought that the Second Vatican Council (which instituted the Novus Ordo/New Order Mass, in contrast to the Traditional Latin Mass) was anything less than sparkling perfection, were just as likely to get banned and driven off to /christianity/ as Protestants.
Rad Trad would be a more accurate label for Catholics who do not care for Vatican II, or are outright hostile to it, and prefer pre-Vatican II Catholicism, and the Traditional Latin Mass. This would also include breakaway groups like Sedevacantists and SSPX.
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1bbfa9 No.826360
>>826356
The funny thing about all that crying and whining about "novus ordo" is that these are people who fail to realize that - at one point in time - the Latin Mass was the "new ordinary" (novus ordo) and replaced that which came before it.
These people don't worship Christ or want to be a part of His church. They worship Romans and their language and want to be a part of the Roman Empire instead. What's even more hilarious is that I once took a buddy of mine to a Spanish Mass and told him it was the Latin Mass and he literally could not tell the difference.
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a0df4a No.826367
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b1d75c No.826378
Why was this board even requested to be brought back if it wasn't going to be moderated?
I know the BO has a discord, have they talked about it on there?
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1bbfa9 No.826387
>>826378
Most of the people who came back here are hiding behind multiple levels of VPN and wouldn't touch discord if you paid 'em.
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c85e70 No.826407
>>826378
There is an e-mail adress in the OP-post, why don't you write him?
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6c96f4 No.826412
why does the bible claim that there are four legged insects/four legged birds?
>Leviticus 11:20
>All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you
>Leviticus 11:20
>All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
did jesus ever say "I am god" word for word?
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1bbfa9 No.826414
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c2d215 No.826415
>>826414
i meant word for word, where Jesus literally says "I am god"
there are verses where Jesus is indicating that he is not god
Matthew 19:17, Mark 10:18
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
John 8:40
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
John 14:28
My Father is greater than I.
John 20:17
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Acts 17:31
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
1 Corinthians 11:3
The head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Colossians 3:1
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
1 Peter 3:21-22
Jesus Christ: who is … on the the right hand of God.
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1bbfa9 No.826421
>>826415
>Jesus spoke modern English
Seriously? Jesus did say that he and the Father are one. He didn't say it in English, but that's how it got translated. We all know what it means, the Israelites all knew what it meant, 2000 years of Church tradition knows what it means … what's your problem?
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6498e5 No.826422
>>826356
>Chill, I'm Baptist myself.
Ah, I was trying to be self-deprecating for a little humor. Sorry about that. Thanks for the explanation bro!
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73e6e4 No.826427
>>826421
>I and the Father are one.
>My Father is greater than I.
i don't understand why anyone would worship Jesus when he never made a single direct unambiguous statement where he says "I am god"
the verse that you mentioned can be interrupted as something other than Jesus claiming to be god
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1bbfa9 No.826428
>>826427
He also never said, "I'm gonna go have a piss real quick." but we're all pretty sure he did such things without him ever having to say it. Don't be such a literalist.
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6fed72 No.826430
>>826428
>Mark 14:17-18
>While Jesus and the twelve disciples were eating together that evening, he said, “The one who will betray me is now eating with me.”
Jesus eating = Jesus having to go to the toilet
now don't dodge the question, did Jesus ever say "I am god" word for word?
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974bf5 No.826432
>>826415
This discussion is better off in the QTDDTOT thread, rather than here since the thread is about the board itself.
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1bbfa9 No.826434
>>826430
>did Jesus ever say "I am god" word for word?
Yes.
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1a3bc3 No.826437
>>826432
my bad
>>826434
here
>>826436
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1bbfa9 No.826453
>>826407
I sent him an email a couple days ago, but no reply. Maybe he fell ill or got into an accident or something happened?
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b1d75c No.826457
>>826430
>did Jesus ever say "I am god" word for word?
Is that the only way someone can claim to be God?
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1bbfa9 No.826470
>>826457
Don't bother. He's one of those "if I disagree with it, then it cannot possibly be true" people. Pray for him and move on.
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4e38ad No.826485
>>826457
it's the best way
>>826470
no, the bible clearly disagrees with itself.
>Mark 6:8
He instructed them to take nothing for the journey except a staff – no bread, no bag, no money in their belts
>Luke 9:3
He said to them, Take nothing for your journey – no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, and do not take an extra tunic.
>Ezra 2:15
the descendants of Adin: 454;
>Nehemiah 7:20
the descendants of Adin, 655;
>Ezra 2:28
the men of Bethel and Ai: 223;
>Nehemiah 7:32
the men of Bethel and Ai, 123;
>I and my Father are one
>My Father is greater than I.
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c6d44d No.826553
>>826485
I'll be nit-picky and point out that your last example is incredibly weak considering we can't nail down the nature of a Triune God who is One yet Distinctly Three yet One. Personally, I find this one of the beauties of the Bible. It's the only religion I can find that has a God so incredibly unlike our normal reality that it's borderline unbelievable. (In fact, many reject Christianity because of how impossible 1+1+1+=1 is.)
Going to your other ones though, I do like them, as I see them as a beautiful example of how God partnered with humans to produce the Bible. Thanks for sharing em!
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c6d44d No.826555
>>826427
So…. Matthew 4:8-10, "Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to Him, “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.” Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’”
John 9:38, "And he said [to Jesus], 'Lord, I believe.' And he worshiped Him [Jesus]." Jesus doesn't rebuke this man for worshiping Him, because He's God. This is why the Pharisees are so angry about it.
John 20:28-29, "Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!' Jesus said to him, 'Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” Jesus not only doesn't rebuke Thomas, but rebukes him for being so slow to believe that He is, in fact, Thomas' "Lord and God," while also declaring that those who do not see yet still believe that Jesus is "Lord and God" are more blessed.
Finally, let's get into a more specific, culturally sensitive verse: Jesus was killed for claiming to be divine.
This is in both Matthew 26 and Mark 14 but I'm copying the text from Matthew 26:63-66 "“I adjure You by the living God [aka, charge you under oath before God], that You tell us whether You are the Christ [Messiah], the Son of God.” Jesus *said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy; what do you think?” They answered, “He deserves death!”
So, in this text, there's a ton of cultural, first-century Jewish stuff to unpack. However, I'm going to focus on what's important to this discussion, which can be summarized in three points.
1. Their question, "Are you Messiah, son of God?" is asking if Jesus is divine, because the Jews understood that the son of YHWH would be divine, and according to Daniel 7, Isaiah 7, 2 Samuel 7, and Psalm 2 [which Jesus very recently reminded them of], they knew that there was "another" "Divine" who was One with YHWH.
2. Jesus both affirms their statement, by saying that they've confessed it themselves, and then doubles down on that statement by directly referencing Psalm 2, "you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power," and Daniel 7, "and coming on the clouds of heaven.” So, to recap thus far, they asked, "Are you Divine?" and He said, "You bet I am."
3. In response to this the entire counsel of the greatest scholars in Israel said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy; what do you think?”… He deserves death!” Now. what is blaspheme? Going back to Exodus, we find that blaspheming is "taking the Lord's name in vain." /But wait! Jesus didn't say anything about the Lord! Rather, He claimed that He was the Son of Man???/ By repeatedly claiming to be "The Son of Man," Jesus was, in fact, claiming to be Divine, and these scholars understood that. Even, they understood it so strongly that they believed He needed to die because He violated the Law by claiming to be God.
Any questions?
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b1d75c No.826556
>>826485
>it's the best way
So, if I call myself the omipotent creator of the universe, that is a bad way to call myself God?
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a49ff4 No.826722
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45fb42 No.826787
report function doesn't work
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2f1e11 No.826809
>>826787
Works just fine, but you might as well save your breath. Admin and vols are permanently out to lunch on this board since the merge, it seems. Unfortunate.
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1bbfa9 No.826820
>>826809
I wonder how many reports are in the queue by now. Whoever takes over this board is going to have their hands full for a little while.
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