/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>10450

>a religion about ancestor worship

>worshipping someone else's ancestors

there ya go

Outsider asking some questions:

being from southern europe would it be a stretch from be to delve into asatru?would it change if i emigrated into a northen country? how much nordic blood would you say it's required ?

sorry but Roman shit really sucks pretty hard spiritually compared to your cult.

politically speaking, do you see any solution to the fact that Northen and southern europe would have no common religion aside for christianity to unite them culturally, but at the same time they need to be militar, political, economical, and somewhat cultural allies to survive in the next centuries?

>>10476

Let me add onto what the other guy has already said.

>Being from southern europe would it be a stretch to delve into asatru?

Most likely, yes. But, if you've read Vargs Sorcery and Religion in Ancient Scandinavia, you'll see all pre-abrahamic religions have the same origins.

>Sorry, but that roman shit really sucks

That's not true, try reading into it. I think Hellenic paganism is pretty cool spritually.

>>10490

more about the nature of the Greek world before it degenerated into Platonism.

but a daily religious practice isn't very Greek at all. The archaic Greeks, the real Greeks, would have saw "prayer" as an absurdity. The closest thing to practice they had was sacrifice when the power of a god is needed.

Otherwise the gods were always intervening in the world because they represented the forces of our world. Praying to them for doing what they otherwise would have already been doing would again be seen as an absurdity. "Daily practice" is actually a very Christian idea.

the Greeks of Achilles were not "religious" in any sense of the word. They would summon a god and damn a god in a heartbeat because in a way they knew it ultimately didn't matter, that the gods would have their will regardless. The Greek "religion" is if anything a religion of fatalism. This is the complete opposite of Christianity, where everything is optional to the individual.

The Greek world was forever defined by Homer.

>>10495

sure, you can be a sarcastic asshole. So just to be sure no one else gets triggered, allow me a qualification; "daily practice" has heavy Christian overtones, as does most of our religious language, and we should always be on guard against the intrusion of Christian meaning.

and the Romans were not descendants of the Greeks in any sense besides that of an Empire's narcissistic appropriation of something it can't understand but desires still as merely another ornament for its vanity.

the real descendants of the Greek essence is modern Germany, excluding the post-1945 catastrophe of course.

>>10507

>sure, you can be a sarcastic asshole.

To be fair I'm a sarcastic helper.

>The rest

Well, I did specifically phrase it "day-to-day" to simply communicate a regular partaking of certain religious elements and not an exact every-planetary-rotation moment. These concepts are present in pretty much all pre-christian european religions barring perhaps the greeks whom I know not enough about their mundane practice to comment on… and even if so I would argue they climbed a little too deeply in abstract philosophy which actually separated them from the core of their own religion itself.

>and the Romans were not descendants of the Greeks in any sense besides that of an Empire's narcissistic appropriation

The Aeneid is still the Aeneid, and archaeology is still archaeology. It may not have been great greek men as was claimed, but some manner of grecian men did find themselves itching for a new world the frontier of italia provided and made up a large base of the very first romans (more likely those without opportunity in the proper greek world like the misfits and unemployed, but still).

Whether any of the mythic history is true or not we can at least say that much as rome is just a hop skip and a jump past what was the relatively major colony of sicily.

>>10450

This is one of the reasons I don't call myself an "Asatruar". I just call myself a Norse pagan, or even just a "Heathen". Asatru nowadays is co-opted and has a shitload of anti-racist groups and anti-racist/anti-folkish followers.

These "universalist asatruars" also seem like wiccans.

>>10533

You got it exactly backwards bruh. You call yourself a "norse pagan"

>calling yourself "pagan"

> a.u.c.2769

or a "heathen" you'll run in to much more problems. Asatru at least has the AFA and some völkisch holdouts to counteract the iceucklanders and pretenders.

>>10535

I honestly don't get it though. These redditruars know that Asatru is an ethnic religion. But instead of acting like it is, they bring that wiccan bullshit into it.

I would call myself an Asatruar if this SJW-group was eliminated. Do you think they only became a pagan because they think Christianity is "racist"? What if we were to turn that around and prove to them that it is a universalist and egalitarian religion (because it is).

>>10536

>I honestly don't get it though. These redditruars know that Asatru is an ethnic religion. But instead of acting like it is, they bring that wiccan bullshit into it.

I don't get it though, these leftists know that the world is hierarchical, ethnic and cultural. But instead of acting like it is, they bring this jewish bullshit into it.

>I would call myself an Asatruar if this SJW-group was eliminated.

So you'll let them own the label until they magically vanish? Not particularly a heathen outlook…

>Do you think they only became a pagan because they think Christianity is "racist"? What if we were to turn that around and prove to them that it is a universalist and egalitarian religion (because it is).

It's not christianity, basically. The christians were the leftism 1.0b, true, but now you have the jews trying to clean it up and get rid of it because now it's serving as a holdout between where europe was and where the jews want it. It helped them, true, but now the people in it refuse to move from the degrated position which make them conservative by relative property.

So yeah, there is a big push to get people into so called "new age religions" which are basically spiritual SJWism and away from christianity. That doesn't make christianity good, mind you. Picture christianity as a scaffold the jews built to chip away at europe, just because the jews are now dismantling/"attacking" it doesn't make it cease to be their scaffold, it was merely a temporary tool.

>>10538

>They're basically projecting spiritual SJWism onto Asatru. Their lives don't change, their beliefs don't change. The only difference is the subject of their larping.

Precisely!

>Distinguishing a faggy kindred from a D&D vidya group is nil impossible to an outsider.

All the more reason to loudly and proudly hold up the mantle of Asatru and to live an active and visible life that rejects those principles. When people question you on being a wiccan faggot do not get annoyed at them but merely explain the differences: Pantheism vs Polytheism, Universalism vs Völkischness, etc.

We have several texts on the differences and the talking points in the library if you need them. >>9731