No.66209
I am considering incorporating 15-30 minutes of morning meditation into my daily routine (I will set an alarm). Are there any proven benefits of meditation? Do people in Japan practice meditation? Especially those who engage in martial arts?
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No.66211
You need proof that craving is unpleasant, and its disappearance brings pleasure? That stressful mind is less efficient? That staying calm is a trainable skill? That our nervous system adapts to its state and the reverse of depression is possible?
…that 15-30 minutes is enough for any of the above, even if that's just the tip of the iceberg?
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No.66216
>>66211
>You need proof that craving is unpleasant, and its disappearance brings pleasure?
I don't have cravings, and disappearance of craving does not bring pleasure, it just brings rest.
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No.66217
>>66216
But rest is exactly what pleasure is?
And if you don't experience it as pleasure, you either haven't suffered long enough beforehand or aren't relaxing deep enough?
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No.66218
Like, pleasure is always felt when a desire is destroyed through completion and is no longer here, or when there is nothing more left to desire.
And lesser pleasure is felt when one desire captures and decreases the activity of a chaotic mind.
And even if you define pleasure as any sensation experienced when the mind is at rest, it doesn't change how the system functions?
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No.66231
>>66218
Having desires regularly is part of being human. Don't destroy your humanity along with your desires. And some desires, such as the desire for a croissant, are easier to satisfy than to suppress.
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No.66232
>>66217
Rest
period of relaxing
3) [countable, uncountable] a period of relaxing, sleeping or doing nothing after a period of activity
Pleasure
pleasure can come from something that you do or something that happens:
Patterns
■ to do something for fun/pleasure/enjoyment
■ great fun/pleasure/enjoyment
■ to have fun/a good time/a great time
■ to get pleasure/enjoyment from something
■ to spoil the fun/somebody’s pleasure/somebody’s enjoyment
→ see related entries: Happiness
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No.66236
>>66232
Happiness and relaxation are like wetness and water.
>>66231
Indeed, and the less desires a human tends to feel, the happier and stronger they become.
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No.66237
>>66236
In fact, to be strong in the literal sense, one must regularly experience the desire to train, to regularly do strength training with weights, and the desire to become the strongest in one's area, even if that the area is small, such as an apartment building. Buddhists, with their suppression of desires, usually consider such desires undesirable and suppress them, and therefore they are not strong.
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No.66239
Why do you associate meditation with suppressing passionate desires? I simply meditate, calm my thoughts, and feel no connection with suppressing desires.
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No.66243
>>66209
>Are there any proven benefits of meditation?
Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLEf4HR74E
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No.66244
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No.66247
>>66244
Buddhists do not have copyright on meditation. Not everyone meditates to suppress the desire to win a 150-square-meter apartment in the lottery.
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No.66248
>>66247
The mind will go wherever it wishes to go.
To keep it still, you have to keep showing it the downside of every desire it brings.
So… Yeah.
Suppressing desires is exactly how most everyone meditates.
>>66237
In terms of strength, the one who loves training is the highest. For when he trains, he has nothing left to desire and can experience happiness and peace brought by his lack of desires…
And Buddhists wish to raise above the gods… This can't be achieved by repeatedly damaging and healing a piece of meat, unfortunately.
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No.66250
>>66248
One of God's tasks is to decide whether a desire is worthy of fulfillment or not, and if so, to make the necessary changes so that the desire is fulfilled. Buddhists cannot do this; they are too busy suppressing desires, all desires indiscriminately, which is why even a Buddhist's cat is sad and goes hungry. I believe that Buddhism was often used in the past to suppress the will of peasants and thralls, so that instead of defending their own rights, they would sit back, suppress their desires, and remain at the bottom of the social pyramid.
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No.66251
>>66248
>Suppressing desires is exactly how most everyone meditates.
I'm not so sure about that. There are many methods of meditation. Meditation is known in Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, Confucianism, Taoism, Sikhism, and, incidentally, the Celtic horned god is traditionally depicted in a meditative pose and perhaps there are another faiths who use meditation.
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No.66252
>>66248
>And Buddhists wish to raise above the gods…
You cannot jump over steps. If a Buddhist has not risen above human nature, at least to the level of a demon, then the level above God is as far away from him as Australia is far from a penguin.
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No.66253
>>66248
>>And Buddhists wish to raise above the gods… This can't be achieved by >>repeatedly damaging and healing a piece of meat, unfortunately.
I'm not sure there's anyone above the deities. I met a Buddhist monk who didn't know the language of the country, but he asked for alms. I didn't let him starve to death, but he was a fool because in order to receive alms, he needed to at least know the language of the country and be able to explain why he should be given alms. In my opinion, this monk would have been much happier if he had been a worker at the Ford factory. He did not look like a man who was so arrogant that he wanted to rise above the deities. I don't know if deities exercise, so I'm not so critical of fitness.
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No.66255
>>66250
>One of God's tasks is to decide whether a desire is worthy of fulfillment or not, and if so, to make the necessary changes so that the desire is fulfilled.
Is this what happens when a sect of pedophiles decides to abduct, rape, and eat a child? How sad. But you know what?
There's that thing called science… When you study how something works and then utilize it in accordance with its nature… It turned out to be pretty efficient, didn't it?
As in, whoever acts in this manner, your god never comes down from the sky to oppose. Regardless of their morality and faith.
And Buddhism, in case you didn't know, relies on doing exactly this. It requires understanding how the mind works and utilizing the same functions we observe in our daily existence.
And your god… Who stops neither pedos nor Buddhas… Something tells me he won't be very insistent on opposing me either. I'm willing to bet on it…
>Buddhists cannot do this; they are too busy suppressing desires, all desires indiscriminately, which is why even a Buddhist's cat is sad and goes hungry.
Buddhists were supposed to separate all desires into useful, useless, and harmful… And treat them accordingly, even cultivate some of them. But I forgive you not knowing this.
>I believe that Buddhism was often used in the past to suppress the will of peasants and thralls,
Suppressing peasants by… Teaching them to neither work nor fight for their master? Since the lifestyle of a worker makes it almost impossible to reach enlightenment, and war is the road to Hell? And creating an institution that helped countless peasants escape their fate and study magic and cultivate happiness instead?
What is this, communist propaganda? Shouldn't you start with erasing history before rewriting it?
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No.66256
>>66255
>>And your god… Who stops neither pedos >>nor Buddhas…
Firstly, ideas about the appropriate age for marriage change from century to century. In the 12th century, the marriageable age for a Byzantine princess was 15, and for commoners it was even lower. Your Buddhas didn't stop pedophiles either.
There are always those who are attracted to forbidden fruit, regardless of its quality. No matter how the law is written, there will always be those who want to break it.
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No.66257
>>66255
>Buddhists were supposed to separate all desires into useful, useless, and harmful…
This requires wisdom. And Buddhists have little of it. I have met many Buddhists in my country who meditate intensely, but they know neither Sanskrit nor Tibetan languages, and they do not compile dictionaries because they have suppressed these desires. They are not wise.
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No.66258
>>66255
>And your god… Who stops neither pedos nor >Buddhas… Something tells me he won't be >very insistent on opposing me either. I'm >willing to bet on it…
If you have the audacious desire to rise above the deities, you may be ridiculed and punished, and you may be punished for it in this life or in the next life, for example, by being born into an unfavorable conditions.
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No.66259
>>66255
>and war is the road to Hell?
War is a useful thing for young men to mature. War tests the qualities of mind, body, and soul.
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No.66260
>>66255
>Since the lifestyle of a worker makes it almost impossible to reach enlightenment
According to Buddha teachings, in order to achieve enlightenment, one must live several lives, more than 30 lives. A person who has become a Buddhist monk for the first time in the last 100 lives and lives in a monastery will not be enlightened. One life is not enough for this.
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No.66261
>>66255
>There's that thing called science… When you study how something works and then utilize it in accordance with its nature… It turned out to be pretty efficient, didn't it?
I like the scientific method of cognition myself. But science is too dependent on funding and the political weather. In addition, I regularly encounter phenomena that official science does not believe exist. By the way, there is also secret science, and there are also unofficial parts of science, and there are also those sciences that official science does not believe in. And not everything can be verified by experiment. You cannot prove or disprove the existence of a meteorite falling from the sky in a laboratory.
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No.66262
>>66255
>>Suppressing peasants by… Teaching them >>to neither work nor fight for their master? >>Since the lifestyle of a worker makes it >>almost impossible to reach enlightenment
In reality, here on the planet Earth, there are not many enlightened people, so it is difficult to compare and understand whether it is worth achieving this and how to do so. Aristocrats who did not work did not become enlightened. Besides, work varies; perhaps some types of work lead to enlightenment.
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No.66263
>>66255
Suppressing desires does not bring happiness. And if a desire is difficult to fulfill, it gradually fades away on its own, without any help from Buddhism.
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No.66264
>>66209
10 Science-Backed Benefits Of Meditation
* Stress Reduction
* Anxiety Management
* Depression Management
* Lowers Blood Pressure
* Strengthens Immune System Health
* Improves Memory
* Regulates Mood
* Increases Self-Awareness
* Helps With Addiction Management
* Improves Sleep
https://www.forbes.com/health/mind/benefits-of-meditation/
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No.66265
>>66255
>>One of God's tasks is to decide whether a desire is worthy of fulfillment or not, and if so, to make the necessary changes so that the desire is fulfilled.
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>Is this what happens when a sect of pedophiles decides to abduct, rape, and eat a child?
Are you drunk or something? Do you want to forbid people from sinning?
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No.66266
This thread touched on the side topic of cannibals eating children. I consider such an act to be a sin and unethical. However, I would like to remind you that in year 2026, there are 8.3 billion people living on the planet Earth. And, apparently, there is a trend toward population growth among humans. This could potentially lead to wars, famine, and economic disasters.
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No.66268
>>66209
>Are there any proven benefits of meditation?
Neurobiological Changes Induced by Mindfulness and Meditation
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11591838/
Conclusions
(…) It emphasizes increased cortical thickness within emotion regulation and sensory processing areas, reduced level of anxiety, and improved regulation of emotions. Mindfulness also enhances the functioning of the brain through improvement in connectivity and increasing neurotransmitter systems, hence improving mood and reducing anxiety.
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No.66273
Is this god, whom Buddhists call Buddha, active at all? Does he intervene in the lives of people on the Earth, or has he suppressed all desires in himself in accordance with Buddhism, and therefore is completely useless to humanity on Earth?
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No.66274
>>66273
Buddha is a guy who discovers the theory of codependent origination, derives the noble 8-fold path from it, and establishes an institution that teaches it to living beings.
Once he enters nirvana, he stops interfering with the world, so there is no reason to ask him for help. Thus, if you have to ask for help, you should target his organization.
Which may extend beyond the limits of this planet.
Lack of desires doesn't immediately pull you into nirvana.
When your desire gives birth to some energy, that energy can't be erased at will and, regardless of your wishes, always keeps existing for some time.
This way, even if you no longer perceive anything as desirable, you can still have some energy.
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No.66275
>>66259
>War tests the qualities of mind, body, and soul.
Indeed. When the local warlord orders young men to abandon their morality and justice and act as his mindless tools, killing and plundering wherever he desires… And his minions kill or torture whoever disobeys.
Few can resist.
>>66260
>According to Buddha teachings, in order to achieve enlightenment, one must live several lives, more than 30 lives.
Oh no! But wait, according to Buddha teachings, the number of lives every human has already lived approaches infinity! Oh yes!
…just kidding, having to practice for several lives to achieve "enlightenment" isn't a thing Buddha really taught. Even if some people might need several additional lives to achieve "nirvana," because they have too much attachment or due to getting killed.
>>66261
>not everything can be verified by experiment
Science requires evaluating theories by how much predictive power they have. If a theory can predict the appearance and movement of a meteorite with perfect accuracy…
And yes, this count of prediction should count as an experiment since it's perfectly capable of falsifying a theory.
>I regularly encounter phenomena that official science does not believe exist
You'd be surprised if you knew how much science actually knows of such things… Blame your luck for your leaders deeming it insufficiently profitable for a school program inclusion.
>>66262
>Besides, work varies; perhaps some types of work lead to enlightenment.
Not the profitable ones.
>>66263
>Suppressing desires does not bring happiness. And if a desire is difficult to fulfill, it gradually fades away on its own, without any help from Buddhism.
Happiness is when you have nothing left to desire.
Suppressing harmful desires with useful desires is, of course, unpleasant, but, done correctly, it does bring happiness once they are finally gone.
And even if it might happen accidentally, happiness is a rare state on this planet.
>>66265
>Do you want to forbid people from sinning?
I want you to stop threatening people with a god that never does anything noticeable and acts as if he didn't exist.
>>66266
>And, apparently, there is a trend toward population growth among humans.
A trend toward population growth? Have you missed the leadership of the most advanced countries trying to fix low birth rates by importing massive amounts of people from… less civilized cultures, and all the issues it has brought?
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