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>>34665

Neo-paganism definitely has a leftist/progressive bias, with its emphasis on tolerance and diversity. However there are groups and individuals that have a more traditional and politically incorrect approach, for example the Asatru Folk Assembly and Varg Vikernes (ThuleanPerspective).

http://asatrufolkassembly.org/

https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective/videos

On 8chan we have a board specifically for germanic paganism, and it's free of any leftist influence. They have some useful posts:

>>>/asatru/13

>>>/asatru/540

Or you can always go back to the primary sources for information about the religion of your ancestors: the poetic and prose eddas. You can download them from our library, they're in the 'Religion and Mythology' folder.

https://mega.nz/#F!ZCpiBZxb!p8ahT1Kz60Lw3qARV3grrg

I hate to have to tell you, but by the time your sacred books were written, religion had already turned into superstition.

>>34776

I hate to have to tell you, but by the time your american bear was made, spurdo sparde had already turned into krautchan.

>>34672

>Varg 'ayy lmao' Vikernes

You know this guy actually thinks humans were raised by the alien Norse gods in training camps on Atlantis, right?

>>34781

even from the mythology, the gods could be considered aliens, and there was a great flood

so that is not even far fetched when talking about the norse

>>34782

If the gods are aliens, and Bigfoot sightings spike with UFO sightings, then the gods are Bigfeet!!!!

>>34783

bigfoot is big with red hair, just like thor, so maybe thor is bigfoot?

>>34781

I didn't know that. I stopped following him some time ago, so I missed all his recent videos. I remember him saying that the gods are just symbols and that religion is just disguised philosophy, or something like that. Maybe he's changed his mind since then. That said, there's a lot of evidence for the existence of Atlantis, and nordic-looking 'aliens' have been reported in many cultures, under different names, so his theory is not that crazy…

>>34798

This was back in 2000.

<A. All life on this planet is created artificially by extraterrestrial beings, the [Norse] gods.

<B. The creation of humans has happened through evolution and genetic manipulation over several millions of years, from the first shadows in Ultima Thule, which evolved into mist-shapes, and later androgynous giants (titans/frost-giants) on Lemuria, to the giants of Atlantis (Cyclops/mountain-giants), and further still to the Aryan race. The dark-skinned human races descend from Trell and remnants of the third and fourth race that mixed with animals, which later have improved by breeding with members of Karl’s and Jarl’s descendants. White humans descend from Karl and Jarl.

…

<D. Homo sapiens was created by the [Norse] gods, who through a process of eugenics, genetic engineering, and physical and spiritual nurturing made the species in their own image. This was first made possible on Atlantis about 3.000.000 years ago, after [the extraterrestrial beings/Norse gods] had first managed to create liveable climate and the genetic diversity that is required for Earth to sustain the independent development of the [human] race. Humanity is thus created and artificially made, and the first 200.000 years of Jarl’s kind was spent in training-camps in Atlantis. Several races are degenerate remnants of humanity, a mixture of humans and animals and genetic remnants of earlier chains in evolution. The White race as it exits today is thus around 280.000 years old.

…

<G. The extraterrestrial beings thought Jarl’s descendants in what we would describe as natural science today.

— Varg Vikernes "Germansk Mytologi Og Verdensanskuelse": http://archive.is/u2yZU

>That said, there's a lot of evidence for the existence of Atlantis, and nordic-looking 'aliens' have been reported in many cultures, under different names, so his theory is not that crazy…

Yes, it is. It sounds like the ramblings of a mental patient. If he was a lefty, you would not hesitate to denounce his interpretations of the myths as BS, but because he is a national socialist, he tends to get a free pass from those who want to draw a connection between Norse paganism and national socialism.

>>34774

t. clueless American Christian

Not only are you ignoring the archaeological evidence that gives us an insight into the Norse myths, the runestones, or the fact that some scholars even theorise that Snorri Sturluson might have been a pagan himself, but you also ignore the fact that the Elder/Poetic Edda is much older than Snorri Sturluson’s prose Edda.

Scholars are also able to detect later Christian influence/additions to the Eddic poems. For example, see Finnur Jónsson’s annotated edition of the Poetic Edda. The stanzas were written in rhyme, which makes scholars able to spot additions to the original text.

>>34815

Interesting. I think he has more of a Jungian view nowadays. I wonder what made him change his mind, since he seems like the stubborn type.

>Yes, it is. It sounds like the ramblings of a mental patient. If he was a lefty, you would not hesitate to denounce his interpretations of the myths as BS, but because he is a national socialist, he tends to get a free pass from those who want to draw a connection between Norse paganism and national socialism.

I don't see how it's any less rational than some of the mainstream theories on human origins. Christians believe that an all-powerful god just wished the universe into existence, and made man from dirt 6 thousand years ago. Atheists believe that the universe came from nothing for no particular reason, and that man came from single-celled organisms through a random process of mutation and natural selection that lasted hundreds of millions of years. If those weren't mainstream views, they would appear absurd too.

I'm neither a national socialist nor a follower of the Norse gods. In fact, according to Varg I'm not even a European, since I don't have blonde hair and blue eyes.

>>34665

I am also getting more into Odin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Regius

If paganism, (and any particular sect of the thousands of it, at that) was the true religion, why is it dead? why does only more of it come out of historical research, proving it is not a religiously "revealed" religion, but rather, what essentially comes down to a fantasy story of ancient humanity?

it's a waste of time. your fore-fathers were christians. or maybe smelly larpers, idk which you prefer

>>34853

Paganism is not the 'true religion'… According to pagans there isn't a true universal religion.

>why is it dead?

What makes you think it's dead? If anything, I would say it's growing.

>why does only more of it come out of historical research, proving it is not a religiously "revealed" religion, but rather, what essentially comes down to a fantasy story of ancient humanity?

I understand what you're saying. If the pagan gods are real and alive today, why do we need to rely on ancient texts to know them? But the same is true for every religion, except maybe animism. Christians learn about their religion from their holy book, not from Jesus himself. Not everyone can be a mystic.

>>34784

Holy shit, this is a really good thought!

>>34853

>implying there's one true religion that everybody does

such spiritual bankruptcy to bet on the One True Basket of Everybody Else's Eggs

>>34665

Bumping for the Rafanvater

- tainted by the left or hippies

Your own political pollution onto our ancestral folkway is every bit as vile. If you cannot hear a thing for what it is, without having to force it into your convoluted political mold, YOU are the problem and are thus unworthy of the information you claim to seek.

- The gods of my forefathers

The gods were distant beings to most. Only the god cults would have regarded deity in a way we modern westerners would recognize; as personal gods who take an active interest in mankind. The gods are too other to bother with us beyond whatever our place in the two tribes' schemes we occupy.

Your ancestors would have been far more concerned with the land and house wights, and the ancestral spirits. The day to day bread and butter of ancient norse and greater germanic religion was highly variable, with different sets of spirits being communed with just down the road from your farm. Shrines to the house spirits and ancestral spirits would have been very common. They were the ones who shared your space and thus were most likely to be sympathetic to your needs.

So you see, even the term "odinism" is a fallacy. Only those involved in the godcults devoted to odin would have been highly preoccupied with him outside of the major yearly ceremonies. (so much for your worrying about OTHER people's "taint") Furthermore, these were shamanist, animist thinkers, which means they came to very different conclusions about spirituality than an abrahamic adherent would. Too many new aged folks just substitute Gemranic god names for Abrahamic god names and think they've rediscovered a lost religion. Faff. You cannot even begin to fathom our ancestral folkway until you've done a deep study into animism, because it is a very foreign concept to the western mind. (as opposed to east asians who still have strong ties to their pre-buddhist animist roots)

You are unworthy of any specific information on magical arts, or ceremonial practice at this point. You are unfit to belong to a troth, and are thus neutered from any meaningful communion with deity. Read the Havamal, specifically the parts where Odin discovers the runes. Until you have purged yourself of your childish horseshit, you will never see beyond the wall. You must become a sacrifice of the self, to the self. And you must be prepared to sacrifice an eye if you wish to see. Right now, you just want to slam these tropes into your own prefabricated political mold.

You are unworthy.

>>34858

Everything you said is stupid as hell.

- animism isn't a religion. It's a mode of religious thought common to a great many religions in which all things are considered animate to varying degrees. It is commonly taught to mean that there is commonality between all things, and thus a kinship between yourself and all other things. This mode of thought precludes the intense individuality that has sprung from Abrahamic religious orthodoxy, and indeed most other forms of monotheism.

- "according to pagans"

Pagan is a word created by Christendom to denote religions that are not Christianity. There is no "according to pagans" that can be summed up in any concise manner.

- "why is it dead"

You are worng. It is dead. At least what it was is dead. The people who practiced our ancestral religions were members of pre-literary oral traditions, meaning damn little was written down. Pre-Christian European religions, and Germanic religions in particular, had a very different relationship with writing than middle easterners and helenist/roman europe did. They did not see it as a tool of bureaucracy. In fact, they had such high regard for words that they believed to speak a thing was to invoke it. See wyrd/weird/urd/urthr for a more in-depth examination.

Furthermore, Romans did to the rest of Europe what colonialists did the the American indians. They didn't merely conquer, they erased. They supplanted the native religions with vile Abrahamic hogwash. What they couldn't erase outright through warfare and cultural domineering, they slandered and twisted into their paranoid "satanic" scapegoating of all things non-christian.

The point is, what remains to read about is largely a product of people who lived long after the last "pagan" Europeans died. Without extensive first hand writings, what they were was only a dim echo by the time characters like Snorri were writing the eddas, and they too further polluted the folkway witht heir own agendas.

Make no mistake: The ancestral ways are lost forever. You are not rediscovering something lost, you are creating something new from the sparse ashes that remain. Yes, it is dead.

- Not everyone can be a mystic

Those unwilling to sacrifice an eye do not deserve to see and are rightly kept from what precious little true knowledge we have managed to scrape from history's cruel claw. Do you know why native americans are so keen to keep white people out of their ceremonies? It's not because they're racists. It's because white people, stupid people in general, appropriate what does not belong to them which does immeasurable damage. Even the fool-christians have a warning not to throw what is sacred to dogs. Until you have made yourself worthy, you will always be kept at arms length. It is what is best for the folkway. It is far too fragile to have asinine idiots, like those in this thread, monkeying about with the true treasures of antiquity.

>>34784

>>34783

you fucking retarts bigfoot is homer simpson

>>34853

>was the true religion, why is it dead?

>true religion

lmao you're still thinking in judaic frames, sweetie.

Bumping for Odin

>>38581

This is a good post. Some people try to adopt systems like Asatru but make no spiritual or magical connection or effort. They instead just copy soulless Catholic-based prayers and throw in Thor as substitute and claim it's the "official religion" when there was never a unified religion to begin with because creativity and personality were big aspects of the traditions. Far too many Christians in Heathen clothing trying to establish some dogmatic orthodox bullshit they found on youtube.

>>38582

>There is no "according to pagans" that can be summed up in any concise manner.

Categorically false, pagans does not simply refer to non-christian, it refers to non-monotheists. Confucianism for example, is not a pagan religion, though it does have some pagan-leftovers through ancestor worship - and even this can be reducible to tacked on Buddhism.

>It is commonly taught to mean that there is commonality between all things, and thus a kinship between yourself and all other things.

By animism, I should have been more specific, I was speaking of leftovers like Shintoism or certain Indian tribal mythos.

>You are worng. It is dead.

thanks for agreeing with me.

>They didn't merely conquer, they erased. They supplanted the native religions with vile Abrahamic hogwash.

You have to clarify here, because the pagan Romans definitely incorporated regional mythologies into their cult of the gods. You mean post-pagan Rome, right?

>Make no mistake: The ancestral ways are lost forever.

Bless God for freeing us from the slavery of our lost ancestors!

I think cutting your own eye out is a big mistake because it's probably a very spiritual and metaphorical thing than it is a physical thing. There are deeper meanings at play. When is it ever so simple? If needing the physically sacrifice your eye was a true part of this then all people who lost an eye would have amazing powers and knowledge and wisdom and people who lost both eyes or were blind already would have CRAZY even higher powers, but this is not always the case as there are people who have no sight and are just people as people are but with more problems God have mercy on them, and there are also people who can see from both eyes and have some abilities and knowledge and there are also people who claim to be able to see and do more with their third eye. What if odins eye is the third eye and doesn't need to be plucked, but rather just figuratively and metaphorically opened spiritually?

What if plucked, cut out, or opened, or picked, or taken, have been mistranslated from Odin lore/ language?

>>34784

now this is the final redpill

>>38581

>If you can not hear a thing for what it is

That's the thing, though. You can shit on OP all you want, but "liberals" or whatever the fuck only view "paganism" through the lens of their politics, and would almost certainly have no interest in it at all if they couldn't use it as a vehicle for feminism, faggotry, trannyshit, multiculturalism, and to troll "right-wing Christian conservatives."

"Left-wing" LARPagans and "right-wing" LARPagans are mirror images of one-another, but the former are the ones who started it.

>>34665

>I wish to learn more about the Gods of my forefathers, and the faith; however I'm reluctant to google it because I fear that what I will find is something tainted by the left or hippies.

>Care to share anything you know on the subject? do any of you practice? how do you practice?

Read about your gods, ponder them, try to understand the myths and what they actually mean, imagine what it is like to be one of them

Sit quietly and ask them questions, and they'll speak to you. Ask them to help you, they'll help.

Probably better to stick with Odin though, the others can get you into trouble unless you're strong-willed. Odin just wants to show you literally everything your heart desires to know.

>>34665

We don't know the true nature of what heathenism in the first millennium looked like bc X-ianity stamped it out almost entirely, or incorporated folk traditions into X-ianity. Our world-view now is so different from that time we can only guess with the scraps we have left over.

The biggest thing to take away about paganism in general, and heathenism specifically, is that it's ortho-PRAXIC, not orthodox. Meaning it's all about right action, not right belief. You can believe the gods are literal beings who care about us, or you can believe they are archetypes of primordial powers of the earth. Whatever.

The important thing is how you behave. Being a strong person, taking care of your kin, keeping oaths, etc. The only part of lore that is ascribed as direct sayings of Odin - the Havamal - is all about how to behave, how to treat one another.

>>34816

>If those weren't mainstream views, they would appear absurd too.

this is, sadly, all too true :(

>>50549

Odin knows how to communicate and reveal things at the right time, as if he's all-knowing like Santa Claus. I never felt a connection with Thor either. I think of Thor more as a social god than a war god, like if you'll find him in a pub or sports bar instead of a sacred forest or temple. So I was never interested in seeking out Thor because it seemed like a poor match for me. Try Tyr.

/fringe/ might be better to answer. Just look up some old pagan books

>>34815

A. All life on this planet is created artificially by extraterrestrial beings, the [Norse] gods.

that's some nibtard grade bullshit

The problem with Germanic paganism is that it competed with directly with a hegemonic Christianity for about 500 years before we got our records of it’s tradition, written by Christian monks, no less. All this time there was a consistent effort to try to evangelize by subverting their religion, giving the rise to movements such as Germanic Christianity in regions to the south of Scandinavia. There is enough evidence to believe that this infiltration reaches the far north, tainting the Nordic tradition in the process. For example, with records of Roman-era historians we know that Odin originally did not have nowhere near the relevancy as he does later in history, and that gods such as Thor, Ingvi-Frey and Tyr were more important. These gods would also be more consistent with the rest of the aryan religions, fitting the approximate archetypes of Jupiter, Mars and Apollo. In fact, the later Germanic Odin is very much akin to a saturnic figure more characteristic to Semitic myths. This connection existed even back to the times of Tacitus, but he was equates to a mercurial figure, albeit with a martial undertone.

>>34665

>by the left

Then fuck off. You begin your journey hiding in biases which means you're not actually looking for the gods of your forefathers. You're looking for an excuse to poltard all over the place.

>>52585

>archetypes

The gods weren't archetypes…

>>52585

>For example, with records of Roman-era historians we know that Odin originally did not have nowhere near the relevancy as he does later in history, and that gods such as Thor, Ingvi-Frey and Tyr were more important.

Gods shifting in roles over time is very common in mythologies and doesn't necessarily imply cultural tainting from the outside. For example, in ancient Egypt there was a time when Horus was fused with Ra because the pharaohs of the day identified with Horus. Later on it was Amon who was fused with Ra, because by then the pharaohs identified with Amon. Or in Hellenic mythology, Poseidon was basically the second most important of the gods to the Mycenaeans, but later on to the Romans he was basically irrelevant. And these shifts occured in written mythologies propagated by organized religions within relatively advanced civilizations. Imagine how much more the beliefs could shift in an oral mythology propagated by an informal religion in a bunch of fragmented tribes.

Furthermore, the Roman-era records of Germanic religion were written by Romans, mostly Tacitus, and therefore written from the perspective of Hellenic pagans. Tacitus doesn't even refer to Germanic gods by their Germanic names, but instead just assumes that they're a different interpretation of the Roman gods and refers to them with Roman names. He claims that the Germanics considered Mercury to be their chief god. I'm not sure what Germanic god you'd identify with Mercury, but personally I wouldn't go with Thor.

>>34815

>the Elder/Poetic Edda is much older than Snorri Sturluson’s prose Edda.

The Elder Edda is attributed to Saemund Sigfusson, a nominal Christian who was trained in some kind of occultism by Italians.

>>52585

>In fact, the later Germanic Odin is very much akin to a saturnic figure more characteristic to Semitic myths.

Well Semitic paganism and Indo-European paganism originated right across the Tigris River from each other. That there would be parallels isn't terribly surprising.

>>52587

The Gods of old would have wanted people to stick to their own race and grow with their own people. Not betray them to receive an illusion of increased power. Plus race mixing leads to less diversity.

OP nearly everything you're gonna find is gonna be corrupted because the vampires using their religious programs, coupled with propaganda, managed to convince other countries to snuff out the original cultures that housed these things, and since the winners write the history books (and our winners are known for rewriting history books), it's a safe bet you're not gonna find something legit. Remember, the original religions would have wanted you to stick to your original race. That doesn't mean you gotta go all allah ackbar, you're not a semite, but at least marry with your own race.

>>52633

Complete and utter disinfo.

<Previously it has generally been held that he studied in France, but modern scholars rather believe his studies were carried out in Franconia.

<The authorship of the Poetic Edda, or, more plausibly, just the editor's role in the compilation, was traditionally attributed to Sæmundr - Bishop Brynjulf asked in 1641 "Where now are those huge treasuries of all human knowledge written by Saemund the Wise, and above all that most noble Edda"?[3] - but is not accepted today.[4]

And not only that, but the style of the poems is one that cannot be changed without breaking the flow of a stanza. Newer additions or changes to the text can be detected.

TL;DR: Neck yourself.

If anyone wants to worship Norse Gods and Goddesses do not call it odinism because it is not about Odin, it is about many other gods and goddesses.

Only white Europeans can worship these gods and goddesses

>>54438

I read they called them the good people as to not offend them and as a way to please them, through a sarcastic name because they don't like being called small folk or whatever else. Or something close to that anyways, I don't remember where I read that from. Faeries certainly aren't ghosts but they can cause poltergeist activity. Elves are said to be the ancestors and some people equate elves with faeries but they aren't the same. I think the biggest problem is just the words got mixed up over history and then lost meaning over time, so everything supernatural or paranormal is just blended up from land to land. So maybe I could be wrong too.

In Midguard the only real races of beings are Europeans elves,and dwarfs

The rest are just the remains of magical beings that used to live all over Midguard

>>38581

while I agree that the anon is not ready to accept the truth, the fact that he asked the question means he's worthy of an answer. Does calling people unworthy get you off or something? Or are you just insecure about your own worth? Or some third explanation that somehow justifies injuring a soul because of their ignorance?

>>34665

Go into a wild place and sit under a tree, then systematically consider every individual thing around you, then how they relate to each-other. The soil, the rocks within the soil, the bacteria and mycelium in the soil, the roots, the stem connected to the roots, the leaves, the whole plant, the whole grove, the whole forest. Consider them all, for hours, and try to understand them. Then go read literally any holy book and think about it symbolically. Then, you may begin to consider your self.

>>38582

I know within the next few decades we will see a return of what was lost.

>>52634

Semantic stuff copied the others and "modified" it to suit their own needs. They could never be original. Just look at holly wood. The best they can do is find someone who can be.

gnomes are real