/vore/ - Vore Board

>>13700

I'm not sure myself. I've only had an account on Eka's for a month and have already had one of my stories be given a non-fatal alternate ending, but I haven't had people comment or talk about how my stories are too cruel. I don't mind the edits at all though; in fact, I like seeing people give their own takes on my stories. But for me, a big part of the appeal of vore is the fatal aspect. Willing and fatal is a good combo though.

I guess they just don't want to see anyone die or get hurt. I don't know.

Like, I ain't even mad or anything; I'm just curious if this is a thing or if it's just me being delusional.

I'm also a writer, and although I've written some fatal stuff I've never gotten comments like this (the fact that I also write mushy nonfatal stuff might help). I've seen them on other stories, though, and I can understand why people make them.

First reason is just that if the writing is good enough, someone who normally likes fatal might get attached to the prey and find themselves wishing that they survive just because they like the character. The flip side of this is when writers who like fatal but can't commit to the brutality write throw-away "too dumb to live" prey characters or contrive scenarios where the prey "deserves it" and the pred is justified.

The other reason is that non-fatal people (like everyone else with this accursed fetish) probably feel like there's a lack of good content that caters to them and so when they see something that's close but just doesn't click they feel like they have to say something. They do it more often than the fatal crowd because for them a really cruel, brutal story that could have had a good end is not only disappointing (as fap material) but potentially disturbing or distressing emotionally.

And of course, even as a non-fatalfag, I will admit there's more autism on this side of the fetish. When I was younger I used to only like non-fatal, but I matured/became desensitized and grew to like crueler stuff, as well. I think a lot of people who can only handle non-fatal are stuck in that juvenile mindset, and so they're more likely to do or write cringey shit. Like, when I try to rec people good non-fatal stories, I'm basically stuck shilling my own work and one or two other writer's works, because even though there's other non-fatal stuff I like, I can easily identify that to an outside person that stuff would be cringey. And there's almost never any good explicitly non-fatal artwork, that's not furry or ponies or some shit.

>>13700

Hmm, I've definitely had some clingy people in comments/PMs but nobody has ever gotten that militant about non-fatal. If someone posts something like "I'd love to see an ending where they get out." I just ignore it.

Is it just one or two people? I mean there are some far out crazies on Eka's. If you have 6+ people acting that way that seems downright weird.

>>13727

This. The only iteration of endofaggery I can get behind is when hammerspace is involved. Otherwise I can't really imagine the preds willingly putting themselves through it. The best kind of non-fatal is reformation/the pred being able to regenerate at least some of their prey. As in the pred having a select set of people they prefer over others, and those are the ones that get back out alive. As for reasons why there's so many non-fatalfags, I can think of several reasons.

1. A character in fatal, once vored, is gone. Forever. Anything about them becomes meaningless because they're dead. It's hard to get involved with a character if that character is nothing other than a name, just before they happily jump into their own demise. Any past history they might have had with the pred or other characters is also meaningless because they're dead. That brings me to the second point.

2. Having pred/prey relationships becomes impossible in fatal, because the prey is gone forever after getting eaten once. Yes, you can give it the 'prey-lost-control-that-one-time-and-now-lost-their-lover' angle, that is interesting/entertaining once. After that, it's boring. I see a lot of stories about people voring their friends, and that simply breaks immersion to me immediately, especially when they do it so nonchalantly as if it was nothing. That friend I've been hanging out for years? Ima just eat and thus kill them because I spontaneously feel like it. Who cares?

3. The cruelty of killing innocents gets a bit much. I like to have 'contrived scenarios', where a lot of the prey deserves what they get for whatever reason they do, but that only works in specific setups, where the pred deliberately set themselves up in a way that only has that particular kind of prey walk into their arms. It's also hard to have preds that are in any way redeemable if they kill innocents on a regular basis.

>>13700

I always assumed they were children or severely autistic and unaware of how nature works.

I guess my thing is I mostly write one-shots? I reuse preds now and again, but I have no problem going through prey like they're napkins. I can understand wanting to reuse prey, but I've never felt the urge nor need.

>>13700

How about semi fatal? The prey's body dies, but their mind lingers on and is absorbed into the pred's body as nutrients. In my fantasy about being prey, a pretty girl eats and digests me, and I get to be in her body fat forever as she telepathically taunts me and tells me "you tasted good"

>>13807

I did a story like that once; a young schoolgirl is lured by a succubus into a steamy night in bed; afterwards, she shrinks her, eats her, and digests her. Her soul stays with the succubus and enters a sort of "afterlife" inside the succubus with all the other girls she'd eaten, where they have endless sex for all time to provide sustenance for the succubus.

What is your question to be exact?

It's just a fantasy fetish, it's also common for people to get turned off by suffering.

>>13818

Meh, there's worse. OP is actually not nearly as much of a faggot as certain fatalfags.

Non fatal people should be shrinked,swallowed,digested and turned into shit,then their souls should be digested and farted out.

>>13818

I've nothing against the fetish itself; I just seem to notice a lot of non-fatalfags trying to project their preferences into my and other people's fatal work.

>>13700

It's not so bad here, but I've kinda noticed it on eka's and 4chan. Non-fatal fags have some people that outright refuse to tolerate fatal-fags even existing in the community. This is cause fatal is a turn-off for them, I get it. However, it's kinda like cock-vore is a turn-off for me but I don't post annoying comments saying 'It'd be better without the cock-vore' as I know some people do like it.

tldr: Ignore them, they're being assholes. Also, tag your shit 'fatal' so they really can't complain.

Fatal fans also complain in the comments of non-fatal vore. There are 'tards on both sides.

I do tag my shit as fatal, but that doesn't stop them from coming onto my page and still asking why I don't do more non-fatal. On top of that, I haven't seen nearly as many complaints about non-fatal from fatalfags as the other way around. :U

>>14966

Problem is that Eka's has the worst fucking blacklisting system in history, I've got several tags blocked but still keep seeing them pop-up in my feed.

I don't know if that's because they got tagged with the blacklisted tags after they were posted or if its just a faulty blacklisting system.

Considering their way of 'blacklisting' images is to just stamp the thumbnails with 'Blacklisted' it wouldn't fucking surprise me if that garbage don't bloody work.

>>14969

thats retarded on its own, but on top of that people don't even tag their images consistently, and i've seen a few furfag artists get insulted at their images being labeled furry.

ekas portal is a cesspit.

>>13700

>going to Eka's

eka doesn't want to admit it, but its website is filled with mainly 12 year olds and niggers who can't speak english. and shitty artists who can't learn proportions or also speak english. of course you'd find annoying shits on there, regardless of fetish.

building on that: specifically non-fatal could be considered the 'entry point' for vore, i.e. people who have just discovered the fetish might flock/want those type of images because they haven't hit the 'next' level of depravity. not that fags can't enter through liking fatal, but its a good guess from deviant-art tier comments and artists.

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on the other hand the behavior above might actually be the reason why regardless of the age of 'inclusion'(when they discovered the fetish) to the fetish, fags still complain about fatal, as fatal shit is pretty much a large majority on eka's, although endosoma and full tour/'ending-less' do make up a fair bit, complaining about shit from a high-ground might have been normalized or something, dunno.

being a non-fatal fag, my perspective is that its merely a avenue i don't like. sometimes I just fap to the first few images of a sequence and be done with it, if the sequence needs continuing I just imagine it in my head and be done. the only real serious boner killers is scatfags and furfags.

infact, if you want a good comparison, a non-fatal person seeing a fatal image is like a fatal (not furry)person seeing a furfag image, but with a little more of a range of tolerance.

>>14970

Man, I agree wholeheartedly, but I fear Eka's is the only way to find a wide-enough audience for my pedobait snuff writefaggotry. Makes me wish I had the resources to start my own den of depravity, with actual quality control :T

>>14975

lmao, that fucking guy. Does he still exist? Was he even real to begin with? D:

>>14966

You should refer to the first half of my statement then. Ignore them, they're being assholes.

>>13702

People seriously edited your work? That's disgusting in my opinion, as much as I'm an endo-fag I'd never want my work to be altered, albeit I try to leave it as ambiguous as possible, nonetheless it's disgusting. Though I shouldn't be telling you how you are supposed to feel.

>>14969

Honestly, the site itself is so fucking poorly coded. I know I can't do better but the tagging system is shit, the commenting system is shit, the blocking system is shit, etc. The admins especially don't do shit to help.

>>13700

When I stop dragging my heels on writing and actually start writing some stories (it'll happen, one day, I promise, I'm getting there), I plan to do both fatal and non-fatal, though I prefer non-fatal personally.

My personal philosophy is this, though: people are always going to complain, and you're going to have people who can't really get the other side in the very fetish community (i.e. fatal and non-fatal not understanding the other side). You have the people who understand, as well, but you don't see them being as vocal because why should they say anything? Do what you want, regardless of what other people say or complain about, and just assert that you're doing what you're doing. Try not to let it scare you away because for every complainer, there are probably three people enjoying your story and/or jerking off to it.

>>13808

In my semi fatal I love the idea of being slush in her intestines and then my mind/spirit being absorbed into her body

>>15071

What they typically do is send a PM or write a comment that boils down to "i prefer fatal so I think it'd be a better ending if ___"

>>15092

*non-fatal

>>15092

Well that's a rude, why can't they just accept it and move on, or make their own story instead of hitching a ride on other people's stories?

yo I know this thread is probably dead but as an endo-fag, I prefer for the prey to be weakened and spent after being eaten and eventually pushed out the pred's asshole

anyone feel me on this?

I'm aware this is thread necromancy but I feel like this is a worthwhile discussion for people to join in. Or restart, given how old the thread is.

I really think that there are two main motivations behind what OP described:

1.) They autistically can't keep their mouth shut about their preferences and want it changed to their liking. "Neat story and all but you should have had her get out at the end." "Hey can you do an alternate ending where she lives or reforms or something?" "Be better if they didn't all die." Basically they dislike the ending and complain to the author. Really there's nothing wrong with asking the author if they plan on doing an alternative ending but these people tend to be demanding and inconsiderate of the author's own preferences.

2.) They really like the author's writing style and the story itself, but the person dying at the end is a huge turn off, so they ask the author, "do you have/can you make anything else like this with your style but a nonfat all ending?" The second type are not as bad but unfortunately the first type seem most common.

As for WHY they like NF or why they feel the need to complain in the first place…

>over the course of the story they get attached to the person who dies.

This is pretty normal even amongst many fatal folks– you read a longer story and get to know the character and really start to hope they make it out, because you identify with them and feel bad for them, especially if the author is not making it obvious they die at the end. The character dies and you feel like you lost a friend. I've had this happen big time once, really fucked me up. It was a felarya story where some bitch adventurer and her 3 slaves are going to explore some temple. One slave gets eaten by a bigass bird, the bitch and one slave get trapped or die or something in the temple, and the third makes it out. She just wants to go home to her family. A human-sized naga/lamia comes up and wants to eat her. The poor girl doesn't understand why anyone would do that and begs for her life. They chat and get to know each other a bit, and finally the naga says something to the effect of "well I'm really hungry but I don't really want to kill you so I'll make a deal. You reach [area] in 3 days and I don't eat you." On something like the second day, the girl is getting a drink and the lamia girl just sort of gives in and strikes. She's kind enough to knock the girl out suddenly before eating her, and the author keeps teasing the reader with the possibility that the naga will feel bad and let her out right up until she digests. The poor slave girl was very likeable and relatable and I got very attached, so this messed me up. I felt really weird the next couple days. I would have asked the author if they had an alternate version but I didn't think it was worth the effort.

>A lot of voreaphiles seem to be male, and a lot of prey (especially in fatal scenarios) seems to be female. I suspect there's some sort of chivalrous subconscious reaction there.

>as other people have mentioned, nonfatal is typically the starting place for most. If someone is just getting into it and read a story that seems NF but ends up fatal at the end it can be upsetting.

>If characters don't die that means they can be featured on other things. Fairly self explanatory.

So that's my hot take. It's 1:30 in the morning and I've been eating candy and drinking soda for hours so I'll probably regret almost everything I said in this post. Fuck it.

>>32046

>I see, so you're probably a fucking furry then

Eka's portal is one of the few vore websites that's NOT overrun by furries.

>>32060

>Eka's is one of the few vore websites that's NOT overrun with furries

(X) Doubt

Endosoma fags are pretty much the SJW of vore. Preaching peace and happy thoughts through slander, force and demeaning comments. Hypocrites.

Like with every community or group though, its not everyone who’s autistic like this. But the few that are is more notable than the thousands who aren’t.

>>32062

It's far from a perfect site but the vast majority of human pred vore art is on Eka's whether you like it or not

I'd just like to point out that the endless autistic comments of "I want her to eat me" and "I would jump down her throat and let her have me :)" type shit is almost as bad, annoyance- and cringiness-wise. Especially common on YouTube videos and deviant art.

>>13700

Mostly because fatal endings are so closely associated with gore, methinks. Either that or they're into endo.

>>13700

> "man, this'd be better if that bitch fucking diiiied" on non-fatal works that I'm missing?

I see tons of that on FA.

The reason this happens is because people get so into vore: it doesn't change who they are, you don't turn into sadist just because you like vore. People are bendy with this though even if it has limits.

Generally, when you start getting tons of comments on how dark your stories/scenarios are it's people reacting to how your stories are probably really edgy/dark in comparison to how hot they are.

At least on FA it's easy to spot that not all fatal vore stuff gets comments like OP's talking about - just the extra cruel ones really. It turns off people, and when people get turned off they start to think a little too hard.

>>32045

I think generally speaking most of the better artists/writers make fatal content, the only

"quality" artists that exclusively do non-fatal are probably people drawing cutesy cartoon furries. So the nonfatal people whine about things not being to their liking (instead of putting their money or time into making better content).

>nonfatal is typically the starting place for most.

I don't know if this is true, but I think it's anecdote against anecdote here. Though I think people who exclusively like nonfatal, particularly those that evangelize nonfatal, probably skew pretty young or are mentally immature. Don't take that as saying all people into non-fatal are kids or autistic though.

>If characters don't die that means they can be featured on other things. Fairly self explanatory.

Most artists that have characters and do fatal (explicit or implicit) just keep drawing that character, permanent fatal only really applies to random one-shot characters or when an author/artist is retiring a character.

>>32084

Most fatal I've seen is more implicit, or does a before/after, it tends to focus on the pred being dominating than the prey's experience. If it is prey focused it usually ends before any goriness, or there's a "gore discretion" paragraph or panel, focusing on the results of the character being digested, or showing external shot(s) of the predator during and/or after digestion.

Gore beyond some "red patches" or meltiness is pretty rare, and I hardly think of bare bones as gore.

>>32170

>Gore beyond some "red patches" or meltiness is pretty rare, and I hardly think of bare bones as gore.

Not sure if I'm the only one who is almost completely unphased by the visuals of gore. There's nothing bad about that.

It's the implications of pain, sadism and mutilation applied to a character in a narrative that make me feel like shit about it when I try to enjoy that kinda stuff instead. I get that a ton of vore is obviously "not for me", just pointing out why some people might seem so sensitive over it.

>>32045

>I felt really weird the next couple days.

Meanwhile I thought I was the only one fucked up enough to be phased by fiction of fictious beings eating fictious beings occasionally really strongly to similar effect as this.

Especially reading stories can easily do this - not so much with pics or videos.

>>13700

https://aryion.com/g4/view/428485

Note comments on last couple of pages.

>>13700

>>13700

i don't write for anything other than my own pleasure, and i dont share my stories with anyone other than my trusted veracrypt drive, so i dont do much in the way of reading other people's stories. but i can report on myself.

i usually like both willing and unwilling. i just love seeing one person (a girl usually) inside another girl's belly. same-size, oral, all that. it's sexy af. usually the struggle is nicer to watch, but it depends on my mood, because i think they elicit different emotions and they can both be appropriate depending on how lovey-dovey im feeling. sometimes we want a dirty romp in the hay, and sometimes we want to make love.

but theres some people who seem to be able to get off on digestion. whenever i have an extended fantasy or story, i never describe or think about the digestion. the prey maybe just disappears over time but i'm not gonna detail how it happens. maybe the pred will talk later about "ooh, yes, <prey> was delicious…" and i will certainly know the prey was digested, but i dont care how it happened.

i just dont like thinking about death, and i dont find it sexy. i keep it out of the picture but i dont let that hindrance disrupt my fantasies.

>>32173

It's about how much information you're being presented with and how it's made to be interpreted. Seeing a comic of a girl getting digested while crying and begging and saying they don't want to die is less impactful than a STORY about it because a simple comic–or even video–can't really describe what they prey is feeling, what their thoughts are, who they are.

Contrast this with Saving Private Ryan. I'm pretty sure that a book written specifically off of the movie itself (exact dialogue and order of events, etc.) couldn't have the same almost-disturbing impact that the raw movie can have. It's a curious thing, how the medium affects the viewer.

One thing I that always irked me about the "fatal vs. non-fatal" debate is how strict the dichotomy is. Like non-fatal always has to 'cute'/fluffy/willing and fatal always has to be unwilling/cruel/edgy.

I myself actually prefer fatal/digestion and dislike 'safe' endo stuff, but even I have similar complaints about the way artists/writers commonly portray fatal. I can get why willing + fatal might be an issue for some due to it being 'unrealistic', but then again, so is the vore fetish itself. And I'm not even against unwilling prey either, my autism is mainly centered on how 'extreme' the snuff and non-con shit is taken.

For example, a story/comic about a predator eating a mildly annoyed prey who then gets painlessly digested is a very different scenario than if the pred ate an innocent victim who screamed/cried/begged the entire time and was in mental/physical agony during digestion. In my experience, a large majority of fatal vore is biased towards the latter. And I personally never got why there's such a focus on unironically edgy elements, nothing about it seems inherently sexual to me. Some good examples of 'sexy' fatal vore to me are ShadowFaps and Cuten on eka's (even some of BigBig's stuff too).

I've also never requested artist's change their work to cater to my autism, but I have, in the past, been guilty of privately editing stories I enjoyed where I toned down the horror/non-con themes. A good portion of them were from an artist who, ironically, specializes in hyper-unwilling vore exclusively. The descriptions of the pred's sensations and sexual pleasure were very good, but the focus on the prey being a "sweet, innocent, and undeserving victim" really disturbed me. It also didn't help that the preds were written as cringy, romanticized serial killers.

>>13747

Pretty much agree with the innocent victims part, it can really kill the enjoyment of a story where the pred is an insufferable edgelord while the prey do nothing but repeat the same pathetic dialogue/actions.

I do slightly disagree on the "fatal = permadeath only" stance. I would consider fatal to be the destruction of the prey's body, so even if they came back afterwards, they still technically 'died' at some point. You could even do a South Park/Kenny-style thing where the prey respawn inexplicably and the story goes on as if nothing really happened.

/spergout over

>>32263

THIS RIGHT HERE.

Speaking as someone who enjoys fatal and non fatal, I have to agree this kind of discussion sways to the extremes on both side.

I feel there's enjoyment to be gotten out of both, but both sides tend to take the extremes as their example of why it's bad. And yeah it's bad when they do go to the extreme but the issue's a lot greyer than that.

Honestly I used to be 100% endo, but i've gotten more into soft fatal scenarios over time, even though I can go back and forth either way.

Ultimately it's just bad to inflict your opinion onto a creator based on what they like to do, be you a fatalfag or endofag.

>>32263

I do the same sort of thing with stories, but usually just removing or changing sentences/parts that make no sense or turn me off, or improving the existing writing with word choice and stuff that I find more arousing (side-note, anyone here have certain words or phrasing that make them rock hard and others that almost turn them off?).

For me, also, I typically write what you describe in your "fatal isn't always permadeath" paragraph, mostly because I write more from the prey perspective and my stories are typically about the prey getting eaten a lot of times.

>>32272

Same with the used to be 100% endo. For me I used to be really into VORE vore. Like the actual part that gets it its name. The swallowing/eating. Outside of that it was just the concept and the intimacy. Somehow I gradually got into soft digestion and now it's almost exclusively the digestion that does it for me. However, I still enjoy some gentle endo sometimes, usually if it's still fairly sexual.

>>32272

Glad to see others understand what I was getting at.

It's funny you and the other anon mentioned starting off as purely endo fans who now enjoy fatal, because it was the opposite for me. I started out with hard vore (wasn't entirely a fetish at the time), then I got into fatal/digestion (which was fully sexual), and now I'm even starting to enjoy endo-ish scenarios.

Things like like sentient fat or mind merging post-digestion, where the prey's consciousness/soul lives on in the pred and they can still interact. So not entirely endo nor fatal.

>>32276

>anyone here have certain words or phrasing that make them rock hard and others that almost turn them off?

I can definitely list off a few that spring to mind. I'm more into the pred-perspective of vore, so my list will probably reflect that, lol.

pro-boner:

>describing pred's stomach as swollen, packed tight/to the brim, engorged; basically emphasis on pred feeling stuffed

>during digestion/after weight gain the belly is soft, doughy, plush, velvety, malleable

>contents of stomach during digestion is described as both nourishing and thick/viscous/sludge/sludge-like

>the pred moans/writhes in pleasure, licks lips, drools, works fingers/rolls thumbs into belly, moans/'coos' about how delicious/filling the prey was, etc.

>the pred excessively pats/rubs/massages/kisses belly post-vore/weight gain (esp. if it's described as 'lovingly'/affectionately')

>onomatopoeia for digestion noises (can also include 'real' words like purring, rumbling, gurgling, bubbling)

>the stomach is given its own character/personality (e.x. 'it growled as if begging for more' or 'it purred as if in response')

>words that emphasize pred's hedonism like indulgent, decadent, sinful, luxurious

anti-boner:

<resisting prey are described thrashing, kicking, punching, clawing (I prefer it that the prey are restrained by the tight stomach)

<unwilling prey vocalizations: scream, shriek, wail, screech, cry, 'voice had broken beautifully' (this last one was especially bad to me when I first read it)

<other unwilling prey descriptions: blind panic, desperation, 'fighting tooth and nail for life', 'not knowing why he/she deserved this'

<using swallowing sounds like 'glk', 'glrk', 'slrrrp' (subtle mentions of 'gulping' are fine)

<at first I didn't mind the word 'squirm' but now it's gotten annoying since I keep seeing it everywhere

Unfortunately some of my likes are kind of rare, while my turn-offs are very common.

>>32322

>those first three lines of anti-boner

As a prey I really feel for those. I like fatal but actual realistic life/death reactions are just anxiety-inducing, especially since I know what it's like to think you're dying and unable to do much. That sort of thing has nothing to do with what I like about vore, so I hate seeing it in art/stories. It's downright anxiety-inducing - to a point where I now look for endo/nonfatal stuff not because I'd even that particularly like them, but just because I want to avoid the really bad shit. I started out loving fatal but thinking nothing really bad of it, right now I wish I could just forget so much stuff.

That, and stuff like begging and pleading just effin boring and predictable no matter what a million sadists say.

>>32343

>stuff like begging and pleading just effin boring and predictable no matter what a million sadists say.

This.

I like both willing and unwilling prey, but a lot of unwilling prey dialogue just comes off as samey and plays out repetitively. With willing prey you get more options.

And even though I'm more focused on the pred side of vore, I also really don't enjoy seeing/reading realistic reactions from unwilling prey. Some of the stuff I like can be a fair bit sadistic, but it never crosses the line into raw, genuine terror/suffering for the prey. Hell, I've seen slasher-movie deaths that weren't as disturbing as some the fatal vore I've read.

It's also nice to see I'm not the only one who started off loving fatal and then went towards the endo/nonfatal side. My main reasons for loving fatal are the weight-gain, sustenance/satisfaction, occasional domination, and the slight focus on the pred. Ironically, I'm actually not much into the death/darkness part at all, so seeing the sheer number of fatal works that emphasize the prey being 'innocent'/'undeserving' and 'ceasing to exist'/'never coming back' (i.e. realistic permadeath) really fucks me up.

What sucks even more is that I can't think of many fatal artists/writers who don't include those elements in their work. I'm stuck with either ignoring those works or editing them to be less edgy. Lately I've been doing what you mentioned; looking more into nonfatal/endo/ambiguous end. I too wish I could unsee the shit I've witnessed.

>>32322

>>32343

>>32344

As a writer who's done both fatal and non-fatal stories, I often feel this conflict in my work. I think a certain amount of struggling from the prey is hot, and unwilling is more believable than willing, but I also have a hard time brutally killing off a prey character, especially once I've written from their perspective. I usually end up using prey that deserves it (like *really* deserves it by being a pred themselves or otherwise homicidal) or framing it in a dark humor kind of way where the true emotional impact is mitigated.

With non-fatal or gentle stories on the other hand I'll often mix in some soft digestion/weight gain stuff by having the prey be digested into sentient fat and then reformed afterwards, instead of just "clean" endo. Digestion, belching, weight gain and other belly related things are a big part of vore for me and it's hard to do that stuff if you're choosing to completely ignore how stomachs work.

I have read a few stories that played heavily into the cruelty and dehumanization aspects, often through betrayal of family or friends. They can get surprisingly dark and if I do fap to them I'm left feeling dirty afterwards. Sometimes though it's just too much and I end up clicking away to something else. My most recent story is actually kind of a subversion of those themes. I got some interesting comments on that.

>>32351

If you don't mind me asking, would you be alright with sharing a your stories on here? Or maybe elaborate a bit on your subverted story and the reaction to it? If you'd rather not, that's ok.

I pretty much agree with the entirety of your post, so I think my preferences would match up with your work pretty well.

>>32357

You might have already seen my work, I post on here and on /d/ pretty regularly. This is my gallery:

https://aryion.com/g4/gallery/ConcordantOpposition

The story in question is this one:

https://aryion.com/g4/view/494744

It's a very stock scenario (sleepover; girl convinces other girl to eat younger sibling; vore shenanigans ensue). The way it usually plays out, the initially reluctant pred awakens her cruel inner nature and ends up enjoying the whole process of eating someone. The story ends with disposal and/or weight gain and her planning another meal because vore is just so great she can't get enough of it. I'd written similar stories before, so I don't find that kind of thing unsexy, but it's very predictable and not very believable unless you drop all pretense of normality and just accept that the pred has the mindset of a serial murderer.

With this story, however, I tried to balance the pred's enjoyment of vore with normal human empathy and build the conflict around that. I wanted to write a pred that was genuinely remorseful of her actions while still having taken pleasure in eating and digesting someone. As someone who really likes post-vore weight gain I also thought the idea of a girl comforting/apologizing to her squishy new curves had pretty good fetish potential. By the time I actually ended up writing that scene though, my emotional investment was pretty high and what could have been a silly scene became very serious.

The comments I got were mostly surprise and praise, a few people mentioned something along the lines that it was too real/emotional to be properly erotic, or that it was better thought of as a horror story. Maybe not what you'd like to see on Eka's but I figure if my writing can evoke a strong response that's not "this really sucks" then I must be doing something right.

>>32344

>What sucks even more is that I can't think of many fatal artists/writers who don't include those elements in their work.

Something I came to realize about artists/writers who do vore: it's actually really fucking easy to write a really terrifying scenario when coming up with a generic vore setup if you don't specifically know to avoid that. So even an artist who isn't so much into it finds themself writing how they'd probably react in this horrible situation.

>>32351

>With non-fatal or gentle stories on the other hand I'll often mix in some soft digestion/weight gain stuff by having the prey be digested into sentient fat and then reformed afterwards, instead of just "clean" endo.

Gotta agree this is fun. It still has way more "oomph" than just endo. At the same time even as a prey you're not getting the short end of the stick while the pred gets their fill. I honestly wish it was a little more popular because it seems like it would satisfy a lot of people in different ways overall.

>a few people mentioned something along the lines that it was too real/emotional to be properly erotic

As a person who likes vore sexually as well as non-sexually, I admit I love vore getting a little bit too real - whenever it doesn't leave a shit taste in my mouth. You can definitely say I'm playing with fire.

Gonna check some of your work out now.

>>32369

>it's actually really fucking easy to write a really terrifying scenario when coming up with a generic vore setup if you don't specifically know to avoid that.

Agreed.

Not to discredit any of the work vore writers put in, but it really takes an experienced writer/storyteller to depict a potentially horrifying scene as more appealing/ideal than it would be realistically. In the past I used to go to creative writing classes and even started dabbling in writing semi-professionally (this was actually before I got into vore as a fetish). Nowadays I've unfortunately lost both the time and drive to write stories, but it really opened my eyes to things like characterization, tone, pacing, emotional cues, etc.

The biggest thing I've found that personally makes or breaks fatal for me is a combination of the prey's reactions and how much the 'death' aspect comes into play. In my imagined scenarios, if the prey is unwilling, they act more like 'aw man that's not cool' rather than 'oh dear god stop please have mercy', if that makes sense. They still resist and can put up a struggle, but it's nothing overly dramatic, and they still keep their composure rather than being genuinely in distress/terrified.

Same logic applies to the fatality. For me, realistic permadeath can really be a downer if it's explicitly stated/implied in the story, even if the prey was willing. And while I'm perfectly fine with reformation (esp. as a method of story continuation), it can really reduce the 'impact' of certain scenarios if it happens on-scene or is implied. My go-to preference is to leave the outcome ambiguous and up to the viewer's interpretation, so there's that 'exciting' element of mystery. Basically, I'm too much of a pussy for realistic deaths, but I like the excitement of uncertainly towards the prey's fate.

>>32365

Oh yeah, I think I remember seeing your stuff a year or so back. I'll definitely check out your newer works.

And I can see how that subversion you wrote could be too 'heavy' for other's to fap to, since I myself can only really enjoy vore sexually if there's no mentions of pain/suffering. But like the anon below you mentioned, I can also enjoy vore non-sexually in a 'what-if'/storytelling sense.

Examples being similar to one you described (the pred facing consequences), and also along the lines of the pred facing social/physical punishment too. Such as the prey being able to crush/punch the pred's internal organs or burst out of the stomach, or the pred gets caught and arrested/socially outcasted. I love seeing instances where the pred is truly vulnerable, even though I align with the predator role. It's more exciting to me when, rather than being invincible, there's a 'danger' element for the pred.

But I still only really fap to scenes where the pred makes it out on top, though. lol

>>13700

As long as it isn't willing it can (rarely) work, as if the prey is in some kind of gruesome prison or humiliated by going through the scat. Still personally prefer fatal.

Willing non-fatal is the trashiest of the trash

>>32369

>Something I came to realize about artists/writers who do vore: it's actually really fucking easy to write a really terrifying scenario when coming up with a generic vore setup if you don't specifically know to avoid that. So even an artist who isn't so much into it finds themself writing how they'd probably react in this horrible situation.

I'm definitely guilty of this. I think I could write more casual vore if I tried but my instinct is to give characters realistic reactions, which gets into horror territory quickly if the audience cares about the prey at all. On the other hand the times I've seen casual vore done really well (not as a comedy/silly thing) it is kind of terrifying in its own way because of how subtly nihilistic it is. That could just be how I look at things, though.

> I honestly wish it was a little more popular because it seems like it would satisfy a lot of people in different ways overall.

I think the absorption and sentient fat stuff is a little to far out there for most people. I even have a hard time justifying it outside of high fantasy/sci-fi stories. I see it more often now than when I started writing though, so maybe it will keep gaining traction.

>Gonna check some of your work out now.

I'd love to hear what you think of my stories if you're willing to share your thoughts.

>>32375

>Oh yeah, I think I remember seeing your stuff a year or so back. I'll definitely check out your newer works.

I haven't written a lot recently so the only new thing might be the story I posted above. I have a lot of partially finished stories though, so I hope to get a few done this summer.

On the topic of stuff that's more digest-ey than plain old totally clean and soft endo but still doesn't result in the prey being permanently dead, what's your favorite/least favorite method or system to see?

Some I've come across are

>Stomach digests only the outer layers of skin and leaves the rest of the prey's body intact because it only needs a tiny little bit of energy to function somehow.

>Pred has magic powers of the "Reality can be whatever I want" variety and after digesting their friends they just poof them back into existence after a few days

>Prey is let out on the verge of death with just barely enough of them left undigested to be able to recover

>(With cock vore or unbirth) Prey is turned into pred's offspring (e.g. they are laid as an egg or they are re-born or they get jizzed out and come together as a cum monster or something)

>Prey is left in mind of pred so they can still communicate and maybe share control of the body (actually read one where the prey got themself eaten to take over the pred but let the pred retain some control)

>Prey has some sort of magical charm or curse or property that makes them reform after being eaten (an example of this could be this one little girl in Felarya who just popped back up somewhere else every time she died of any cause. Can't remember who wrote it but it was pretty good.)

>Sentient scat because THAT makes perfect fucking sense. Yup, now I'm just a literal pile of shit on the ground and am aware of my surroundings but can do literally nothing at all ever. 10/10.

>Prey starts over in an entirely different world or universe every time they die

>It's a fucking dream

Personally I prefer the auto-reform after digestion and the let out at the last possible second.

How about y'all?

>>32414

Anything involving sentient fat is my favorite by far. There's nothing better than a smug, sexy pred getting another chance to tease her prey as squishy additions to her body. Depending on how it's written (and whether or not the prey is reformed after) it could be either very intimate or very humiliating and both angles have a lot of erotic potential.

>>32416

>reverse digestion

Fascinating idea. Thank you for bringing the existence of this to my attention. What was the story you read with it?

>>32467

It was from a writer on eka's who deleted their account a couple years ago. I never got the chance to save it unfortunately. It might have been reposted though. You could go on eka's and search the 'reverse digestion' tag along with female pred.

>>32416

>>32467

The only form of un-digestion I could imagine would be 'cultivation', where the pred's body 'remembers' it's prey in some way, and then acts as a quasi-womb that recreates the prey from the grounds up.

>>32406

>I've seen casual vore done really well (not as a comedy/silly thing) it is kind of terrifying in its own way because of how subtly nihilistic it is. That could just be how I look at things, though.

It definitely is not just you.

It's not rare at all for me to wonder if the guy is a sadist or just doesn't think about it much at all when I browse some random neonpred's gallery of vore on FA. It's just something where intentions of vastly different kind become almost indistinguishable from each other.

>>32263

>>32276

I personally don't see anything wrong with privately editing stories to better fit what you personally like, as long as it's just that - private. For example:

>read story

>everything except for the ending is 11/10

>don't leave any comments on how the author "should've done X", just copypaste the story into note/wordpad and edit it then save for private use, never sharing it with anyone

Perfectly fine in my book.

<read story

<everything but the ending is 11/10

<leave whiny comments, edit and distribute the story, try to enforce your personal views on others or evangelize

Not fine. Not fine at all.

It all comes down to respecting others' tastes and stories.

>>13700

I'm on Eka's as well and I have sort of encountered this sort of mentality, although only to a lesser extent.

Some people on Eka's are extremely vocal, or just extremely immature, about their preferences. That doesn't mean that the site or the "community" as a whole are bad - I have a lot of friends and good 'fans' there -, it's just that some people are really, really obnoxious and can't help but butt in and try to warp things to their likings. Browsing through the forum is already enough to tell you that there's a lot of people who are at the very least very socially awkward, and many more that range from the over-excitable to the delusional to the straight-up schizotypic. Again, when I say "a lot of people" I mostly mean that they're very visible in a lot of discussion, but I'm also pretty sure that they're not more than one tenth of the active population of the forum. They're just very vocal and ubiquitous.

And some of these people get very belligerant as well. Lots of artists and writers have been harassed over the years, some to the point of driving them away from the portal forever. The most infamous of these 'preference wars' seems to have been waged against people who made or supported M/F content, but I've heard similar things for macro/micro versus same-size, human/human versus furry versus monsters and creatures, endo versus digestion, soft and hard, etcetera. And of course fatal versus not fatal.

I'm just listing the incidents and tensions I've heard about, and I do not believe any preference to be inherently 'worse' than another (they're just preferences) nor to inherently attract 'worse' people. However, it is predictable that works featuring 'harder' content (like hard vore, explicitly fatal vore, etcetera) draw the most belligerant reactions from people of opposite preferences.

For example, I only like fatal vore, and I find the overtly safe/cuddly/casual content a bit cringey to my tastes; but the worst gut reacion I can imagine such content drawing from someone who doesn't like it would be an exasperated sigh or a hard "meh". Understandably, people who don't like the harder or darker content may have a more emotional negative response against hard and dark content.

As for my personal experience, despite making content of a comparatively unpopular niche for Eka's standards (monster on human, exclusively male predators, and generally with death and digestion being at least implied), I've been quite lucky and never had any bad responses of that type. The only thing that really annoys me is when people adds custom tags to my more ambiguous work (as in, with no explicit mention of death or digestion), like "endo" or "non-fatal". That's very annoying, because it suggests a connotation to my work that I haven't intended, that is clearly not there, and that I really don't like.

I'm fine with death of the author and all that and I'm fine with leaving many of my works open-ended so people may see what they prefer, but having people pull this kind of trick makes me want to just start drawing explicitly dark and unambiguous stuff all the time just out of spite.

Speaking of non fatal: Why is the scientific/medical/body exploration part of vore so underrepresented? But then again, I bet that it would go like this:

>Person/entity X goes in person/entity Y to research/cure/explore part Z of their body

>Person X arrives at part Z

>does their job

>then goes out

>The End

In other words: it would make for a rather boring story. There's one story on Eka's that stands out, involving a loli and a elf going up her bladder to describe what that body part does as a assignment. Stories like that is what i'm after but they're extremely rare. I don't really care about sexual stuff either.

tl;dr: why is body exploration such a rare part of vore?

>>34573

It's not my cup of tea but it wouldn't necessarily make for a bad story. I know for sure that some people would like this kind of setup.

As to why is it so rare, I guess it's just very niche. Many of the people who are into vore are drawn to it by either the D/s aspects, the transfigured sexual aspects (as in, sexual desire transfigured as hunger), or the taboo/dark/morbid themes. So, the vore niches that don't feature any of that are probably less populated.

>>34574

In other words, if it's not sexual, it's boring as fuck for most writers. Well, fuck, I guess. That means i'm SOL and should just write my own stories, as hard that it is.

>>34589

>Once upon a time.. Life

Hey, that's the series I have been binge watching to get inspiration from. I remember watching it in school years ago. There's a torrent on TPB in Russian but it's also got a English audio track you can select with VLC.

>Microcosm

Shit game, great soundtrack (embed related) and pretty interesting plot. I wonder if there's a CD32 emulator out there somewhere?

>Innerspace

Now there's a movie I haven't seen in a while. Might rewatch it soon.

>The Magic School Bus

Behold, where I got my morbid fascination for the human body from. Also: CARLOS!

>that episode of L&S

Where can I watch it?

>>34573

I think this story is pretty similar to what you're describing: https://aryion.com/g4/view/360505

It's the only good story I know of that does that scientific body exploration thing, though.

>>34599

Not as good as the one I linked in the request thread, and a bit too dark for my taste, but thanks!

>>34573

>>34593

Bump, I guess.

I just want to know why non-fatal lovers sometimes see themselves as doing something good by harassing people who write/draw fatal stuff until they leave. There have been a couple of accounts that have been closed because people who hate fatal vore seem to think they're entitled to attack people for writing "murder", or perhaps have a "duty" to get rid of them. It's some of the worst stuff in the entire community and I don't know of an equivalent in any other group.

>thread's dead again

I'll just have to accept that my rather morbid curiosity is just not interesting enough for vorefags.

My fellow endofags, I strumbled across this document from a scholar on the same subject as in >>34573

https://www.academia.edu/798350/

Plenty of interesting titles in that article!

>>13700

Fuck non-fatal people. If it ain't fatal, it ain't worthwhile. Period.

I don't like fatal stuff, but I don't complain when it's posted. I have more of a body deformation fetish anyway though.

>>35236

not gonna lie, I have a hard time getting off to non-fatal stuff

>someone bumped the thread

hoh shit I forgot about this thread. Still haven't found any good stories about the body exploration part of the fetish :(

Oddly, if anything I've had the inverse reaction on the one story I've written so far. It was a snake vore story with two sisters as prey featuring hypnosis, and the one bit of feedback I got was that the person wished I'd spent more time describing the digestion.

In fairness, said digestion was covered by a single paragraph (while the actual swallowing scenes took around 10 each), but I wasn't really sure how I could have drawn out the description of a few bulges gradually going still, smoothing out, then vanishing (Gore/hard digestion is a big turn off for me, so I only described what was happening from the outside).

What's interesting is that there was no adverse reaction to some of the snake's crueller actions, such as taunting her first meal about how she hypnotised her, or literally rubbing the fact that her sister had become food in the second's face (while she was crying, no less).

Perhaps the lack of such a reaction is because I had the snake point out that while she is sadistic, her prey ultimately go out in a state of unparalleled bliss thanks to the hypnosis.

I get the adverse affect since I only draw non-fatal. I see a decent amount of comments wishing prey would be digested.

or if I leave something ambiguous the digestion people come in the comments nutting thinking the prey died lol.