edb75f No.16929030
Remember this story where aliens attack Earth and they are so much more advanced than we, that we have nothing to fight them with?
Remember this story about super intelligent race coming to visit us and we struggle to even communicate, because we are dumdums.
How about the opposite? Games where humans are powerful and smart. Story driven games that show how intelligence, meritocracy and strong will can conquer a galaxy? Are there any games to speak of? Other than basic 4X, obviously. 40k is out also
XCOM was my first though, but in the old and new, humans are shown as the underdogs, which is ok since it works really well with the story.
Mass Effect is a good contender, but fails, because they make every alien human, just with different stereotypical quirks. They even fuck up the Borg, eh, sorry The AI, sorry The Collective. Fuck, it's probably called The Machine in episode 3. Who cares.
I would like to hear your thoughts about Humans being smart and productive in scifi games. Share ideas if you have any.
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b4c724 No.16929108
I've been tinkering with an idea. You're 18, just got your first ship. You're an earthling in an age when earth is used-up and forgotten by the bulk of humanity who've colonized the solar system a few centuries ago. Achieving your dream of leaving behind the bucolic mediocrity of earth for the "big city" of the colonies disillusions you: the colonies are all failing and corrupt rat utopias, worse off than the place you wanted to escape.
You still have the impulse that drove you to go to space when everyone you know was content to live an agrarian life, so you gather the high-functioning people you can find while surviving the internecine squabbles, the petty space cops and other hazards, and drive toward one of three ends:
1. Instigate war between the colonies to shake them from their complacency
2. Develop an interstellar ship meaning cryosleep or generational
3. Rebuild Earth as a new utopia.
The thing I originally wanted to write was just some autistic racing thing in microgravity. Then I thought about the places you would be racing in and what the tracks would look like, and since it would be a top-down kind of thing like Death Rally or RC Pro-am where combat is built-in anyway, it's hard not to creep the scope to something more open like Armada it's a dreamcast game; look it up all the way to "GTA in space." But I think that's what it ought to be, sort of like Solar Winds DOS: a little talky, a little shooty, but also where this KANSEI DORIFUTO racing guy is using his winnings in revolutionary pursuits, to either tip over that which deserves to fall like ra's al ghul, or to otherwise restart civilization as a project, and one that is no longer divorced from the numinous.
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a5b64b No.16929118
>>16929030
The Collective? You mean the Geth? They were not Borg-like. They were pure androids (not cyborgs seeking perfection) and just ex-servant bots who rebelled. Almost like children who simply wanted to be left alone, but people kept bugging them.
I have to say that I like both tropes, but there isn't enough of what you're talking about. You're right. I'm drawing a blank actually.
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c1054e No.16929175
>>16929030
I feel like it would never work out. Especially in the current political climate. Aside from 4X games and what not that is. Lets face it current western devs would just turn the game into something like that movie Avatar where the humans are top dog tech wise. So the entire story is centered around the idiot hipster blue natives who are basically just like blue native Americans except they are actually connected to their planet. Anyway pretty sure thats how it would go. Even mass effect while showing that humans were no slouches was all about cooperation and what not. The renegade humanity first thing only lasted until the end of the first game. Yeah Cerberus group felt the same in the second game but they were a freaking terrorist group for the most part.
Maybe they should do a continuation of that where a fleet from earth comes and nukes the planet to cinders while forcing that race traitor guy watch his precious navi all die in a cell from orbit.
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3e8946 No.16929177
>Games where humans are powerful and smart. Story driven games that show how intelligence, meritocracy and strong will can conquer a galaxy?
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3e8946 No.16929178
>Story driven games that show how intelligence, meritocracy and strong will can conquer a galaxy?
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3e8946 No.16929180
>games that show how intelligence, meritocracy and strong will can conquer a galaxy?
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36263c No.16929182
Wow, they weren't kidding when they said the amount of cuckchan-tier template threads increased
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df8362 No.16929189
>>16929182
>Faster posts, less quality
>A post per day, better quality
Pick your poison as this is what imageboards are.
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59ec91 No.16929190
>>16929189
>A post per day, better quality
Define quality.
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df6aee No.16929200
>>16929190
>Define quality.
Not (You).
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176008 No.16929210
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3e4fa7 No.16929309
>>16929189
There is also a third option
>slower posts but worse quality anyway
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59f880 No.16929332
Anything besides whites and mongoloids in the far future.
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139bb2 No.16929361
>>16929030
aside from generic space nazis as villains the only thing that comes to mind are the many variants of Space Marine that are neither the Doom Slayer nor the Adeptus Astartes
Gen 7 was choke full of generic Not-Halo FPSs and they were all as shit as their MC space marine was as boring as generic just like Halo
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000000 No.16929571
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ae2082 No.16929659
>boring
Guns
>highly technologically advanced Hoomans millenia into the Future
>mastered FTL travel
>mastered immortality
>mastered Hard A.I and have anti-grav agents supporting us
>hurr 20th century weapon memes are superior over the tech the Aliens have been working on for 13 billion years
>durr …and we're the only species with manual reload
>fuckoff AI, I pull trigga
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d8fda5 No.16929677
>>16929030
>How about the opposite? Games where humans are powerful and smart.
that's basically james cameron's avatar right?
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817e2d No.16929711
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2bf2e3 No.16929892
>ancient evil just so happens to wake up at the same time as the game starts
>will consume the galaxy unless you get the MacGuffin in time that will wipe out the ancient evil that the people in the past somehow couldn't figure out how it worked
>nobody else except you can do this because destiny or fate or some fucking stupid horse shit
Why can't my space games just be space games? Why do they have to be apocalyptic as well?
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69bbfb No.16929951
I've always liked the EDF's approach. A sheer persistence to continue fighting no matter what.
>Smart enough to completely reverse engineer enemy tech quickly and give their troops ridiculously powerful weapons that can level an entire city or destroy an alien ship from the ground
>Also somehow retarded enough to the point that it took them 3 months to figure out to shoot the giant glowing red opening under a ship
>The entire mission where frog ayys were introduced and everybody thought they looked like humans
Though I've always preferred silly shit over anything serious.
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df8362 No.16929996
>>16929892
Mass Effect? That's because BioWare can only do one story. In hindsight the Reapers were a massive crutch and should have just been stopped in the first game.
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a5b64b No.16930013
>>16929996
Apparently, they actually tried to break from that formula at first.. or at least, the lead writer had a few ideas floating in his head. The original plot point was more convoluted and hinted at dark energy collapsing the galaxy (not AI) and the Reapers were merely trying to stabilize it. They saw new spacefaring humans on the scene (especially biotics) as the key to the problem somehow. This is why they experimented and started mass kidnapping. They weren't evil, just indifferent problem solvers.. and didn't give a shit about an AI singularity. You can see some of it in Harbinger's quotes, for example:
To Legion: “Geth; an annoyance, limited utility.”
Asari: "Asari; reliance upon alien species for reproduction shows genetic weakness.”
Jack: “Human; viable possibility, great biotic potential.”
Miranda: “Human; viable possibility, impressive genetic malleability.”
Grunt: “Krogan; sterilised race, potential wasted.”
Basically, it's kind of what the OP wanted: an ascendant, strong human race.. but in this plot point, it turns out to be a curse. Humans attract the Reapers because of their potential.
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b4c724 No.16930295
>>16929892
>ancient evil just so happens to wake up at the same time as the game starts
Someone should write a game where the protagonist is sees the great evil suddenly emerge, but he's too fucking old to do anything about it so the game is about using and maintaining a futuristic riding mower.
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a5b64b No.16930304
Really, it's kind of silly to expect game writing to ever improve. There's too many other logistics/rewrites/studio-publisher politics/faggot tranny politics/bitchy gamer politics/etc/etc/etc that all get in the way. The best you can hope for is that the game simply doesn't run like shit. It's a miracle that even films get made, but strangely, even they have more going for them than this.
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ddb330 No.16930308
There's Starship Troopers. I dont know about the game 'cause I never played the game but if the setting is like the book or the movies then humans are depicted as the most technologically advanced race (out of two) and the aliens are dumb chink communists that deserve to be exterminated just for defiling human eyes with their image. Especially in the book since there humans had power armor, mini-nukes, orbital drop troopers, FTL, and it's heavily implied that humanity started the war just to manufacture unity among mankind
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c1054e No.16930350
>>16929996
No what they should of done was instead of concentrating on getting yet another new party of losers in the second game. Instead they should of had you with your existing team members and a few new ones go around and start actually preparing for war. Building armies and dealing with the troubles of various groups to prepare for the war effort. The destruction of the collector base is a grand battle that kicks off the main war. In part 3 its all about the main war going from place to place participating in epic battles with tons of ships as well as smaller more tactical battles. Finally the reapers are defeated but not from some idiotic deus ex machina plot device but good old fashioned military tactics might heroism and a bit of luck.
The main plot of the reapers should be something along the line they fear biological civilization getting too advanced and depleting the galaxy of dark energy and bringing about destruction. The reapers will be a sort of tragic villain in that they do have respect for life and what not and allow it to advance but are forced to cull it when they go to far. The species that never advance too far are simply left alone. With the reapers defeated the final revelation should be that the milky way is not the only galaxy that has them that they in fact exist in many galaxies but the reapers are uncertain how far they spread as the distances are too great to communicate. Still the defeat of the milky way reapers means the people of that galaxy take the galaxy into their own hands. If they treat it well they will be fine. If they abuse it will collapse and all will perish in it.
I guess it doesn't matter now though. Bioware is garbage and unless the studio is sold and people that are competent start working there they will never produce anything of worth again. Its just a decaying husk at this point after EA sucked it dry running off all the talent leaving only SJW intern diversity hires.
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